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Report Copyright Violation | Isaiah 14:12 - Why I believe that Lucifer refers to Mercury and not to Venus Perhaps not overly important in rhetorical presentation, but possibly very important for historical verification and analysis. I don't believe that Venus fits the historical events, or even the Babylonian cosmo-concept at all. The kings of the Neo-Babylonian empire took names after the god of Wisdom, Nabu. Nabu is the planet we know as Mercury, or what the Greeks called Apollo in its morning star transit and Hermes in its evening star transit. The fall of Babylon, we know from the Babylonian chronicle, was on the night of the full moon October 10, 539 BC during the feast to the moon good Sin. The sun is in the sign of Libra, or the Scales. However, one important detail here is that it is also the last day of Mercury retrograde. Mercury retrograde ended at 23:36 local Iraq time in Babylon that night. This was just about the time Persian forces had sneaked in through the water fords and were taking the city. Babylon was sacked that very night. Venus (Ishtar) never was ascribed to the kings of Babylon. Though they honored Ishtar as a goddess, she was not the patron of kings as was Nabu. Nebuchadnezzar means 'may Nabu protect my eldest'. The kings of Babylon often had Nabu within their names and liked to consider themselves inspired by this god of Wisdom and Science in overseeing the empire and constructing great cities and culture. They liked to think of themselves as society builders. Therefore, Mercury would fit much better in describing the character and person of the kings of Babylon. Astrologically, Mercury fits the prophecy as well as Mercury not only came out of retrograde, but began moving back toward the sun and then finally behind the sun to phase into its aspect of evening star Hermes. In astrological terms, Mercury (Nabu) began to 'fall' that night. Mercury (Nabu) on the morning of the fall of Babylon October 10, 539BC. https://imgur.com/a/NWNFTQD Isaiah 14
3And it shall come to pass in the day that the LORD shall give thee rest from thy sorrow, and from thy fear, and from the hard bondage wherein thou wast made to serve,
4That thou shalt take up this proverb against the king of Babylon, and say, How hath the oppressor ceased! the golden city ceased!
5The LORD hath broken the staff of the wicked, and the sceptre of the rulers.
6He who smote the people in wrath with a continual stroke, he that ruled the nations in anger, is persecuted, and none hindereth.
7The whole earth is at rest, and is quiet: they break forth into singing.
8Yea, the fir trees rejoice at thee, and the cedars of Lebanon, saying, Since thou art laid down, no feller is come up against us.
9Hell from beneath is moved for thee to meet thee at thy coming: it stirreth up the dead for thee, even all the chief ones of the earth; it hath raised up from their thrones all the kings of the nations.
10All they shall speak and say unto thee, Art thou also become weak as we? art thou become like unto us?
11Thy pomp is brought down to the grave, and the noise of thy viols: the worm is spread under thee, and the worms cover thee.
12How art thou fallen from heaven, O Lucifer, son of the morning! how art thou cut down to the ground, which didst weaken the nations!
13For thou hast said in thine heart, I will ascend into heaven, I will exalt my throne above the stars of God: I will sit also upon the mount of the congregation, in the sides of the north:
14I will ascend above the heights of the clouds; I will be like the most High.
15Yet thou shalt be brought down to hell, to the sides of the pit.
16They that see thee shall narrowly look upon thee, and consider thee, saying, Is this the man that made the earth to tremble, that did shake kingdoms;
17That made the world as a wilderness, and destroyed the cities thereof; that opened not the house of his prisoners?
18All the kings of the nations, even all of them, lie in glory, every one in his own house.
19But thou art cast out of thy grave like an abominable branch, and as the raiment of those that are slain, thrust through with a sword, that go down to the stones of the pit; as a carcase trodden under feet.
20Thou shalt not be joined with them in burial, because thou hast destroyed thy land, and slain thy people: the seed of evildoers shall never be renowned.
21Prepare slaughter for his children for the iniquity of their fathers; that they do not rise, nor possess the land, nor fill the face of the world with cities.
22For I will rise up against them, saith the LORD of hosts, and cut off from Babylon the name, and remnant, and son, and nephew, saith the LORD. 23I will also make it a possession for the bittern, and pools of water: and I will sweep it with the besom of destruction, saith the LORD of hosts.https://imgur.com/a/AM4XSZf Daniel 5
Belshazzar the king made a great feast to a thousand of his lords, and drank wine before the thousand. 2Belshazzar, whiles he tasted the wine, commanded to bring the golden and silver vessels which his father Nebuchadnezzar had taken out of the temple which was in Jerusalem; that the king, and his princes, his wives, and his concubines, might drink therein. 3Then they brought the golden vessels that were taken out of the temple of the house of God which was at Jerusalem; and the king, and his princes, his wives, and his concubines, drank in them. 4They drank wine, and praised the gods of gold, and of silver, of brass, of iron, of wood, and of stone.
5In the same hour came forth fingers of a man's hand, and wrote over against the candlestick upon the plaister of the wall of the king's palace: and the king saw the part of the hand that wrote. 6Then the king's countenance was changed, and his thoughts troubled him, so that the joints of his loins were loosed, and his knees smote one against another. 7The king cried aloud to bring in the astrologers, the Chaldeans, and the soothsayers. And the king spake, and said to the wise men of Babylon, Whosoever shall read this writing, and shew me the interpretation thereof, shall be clothed with scarlet, and have a chain of gold about his neck, and shall be the third ruler in the kingdom. 8Then came in all the king's wise men: but they could not read the writing, nor make known to the king the interpretation thereof. 9Then was king Belshazzar greatly troubled, and his countenance was changed in him, and his lords were astonied.
10Now the queen, by reason of the words of the king and his lords, came into the banquet house: and the queen spake and said, O king, live for ever: let not thy thoughts trouble thee, nor let thy countenance be changed: 11There is a man in thy kingdom, in whom is the spirit of the holy gods; and in the days of thy father light and understanding and wisdom, like the wisdom of the gods, was found in him; whom the king Nebuchadnezzar thy father, the king, I say, thy father, made master of the magicians, astrologers, Chaldeans, and soothsayers; 12Forasmuch as an excellent spirit, and knowledge, and understanding, interpreting of dreams, and shewing of hard sentences, and dissolving of doubts, were found in the same Daniel, whom the king named Belteshazzar: now let Daniel be called, and he will shew the interpretation.
13Then was Daniel brought in before the king. And the king spake and said unto Daniel, Art thou that Daniel, which art of the children of the captivity of Yudah, whom the king my father brought out of Yewry? 14I have even heard of thee, that the spirit of the gods is in thee, and that light and understanding and excellent wisdom is found in thee. 15And now the wise men, the astrologers, have been brought in before me, that they should read this writing, and make known unto me the interpretation thereof: but they could not shew the interpretation of the thing: 16And I have heard of thee, that thou canst make interpretations, and dissolve doubts: now if thou canst read the writing, and make known to me the interpretation thereof, thou shalt be clothed with scarlet, and have a chain of gold about thy neck, and shalt be the third ruler in the kingdom.
17Then Daniel answered and said before the king, Let thy gifts be to thyself, and give thy rewards to another; yet I will read the writing unto the king, and make known to him the interpretation. 18O thou king, the most high God gave Nebuchadnezzar thy father a kingdom, and majesty, and glory, and honour: 19And for the majesty that he gave him, all people, nations, and languages, trembled and feared before him: whom he would he slew; and whom he would he kept alive; and whom he would he set up; and whom he would he put down. 20But when his heart was lifted up, and his mind hardened in pride, he was deposed from his kingly throne, and they took his glory from him: 21And he was driven from the sons of men; and his heart was made like the beasts, and his dwelling was with the wild asses: they fed him with grass like oxen, and his body was wet with the dew of heaven; till he knew that the most high God ruled in the kingdom of men, and that he appointeth over it whomsoever he will. 22And thou his son, O Belshazzar, hast not humbled thine heart, though thou knewest all this; 23But hast lifted up thyself against the Lord of heaven; and they have brought the vessels of his house before thee, and thou, and thy lords, thy wives, and thy concubines, have drunk wine in them; and thou hast praised the gods of silver, and gold, of brass, iron, wood, and stone, which see not, nor hear, nor know: and the God in whose hand thy breath is, and whose are all thy ways, hast thou not glorified: 24Then was the part of the hand sent from him; and this writing was written.
25And this is the writing that was written, MENE, MENE, TEKEL, UPHARSIN. 26This is the interpretation of the thing: MENE; God hath numbered thy kingdom, and finished it. 27TEKEL; Thou art weighed in the balances, and art found wanting. 28PERES; Thy kingdom is divided, and given to the Medes and Persians.
29Then commanded Belshazzar, and they clothed Daniel with scarlet, and put a chain of gold about his neck, and made a proclamation concerning him, that he should be the third ruler in the kingdom.
30In that night was Belshazzar the king of the Chaldeans slain. 31And Darius the Median took the kingdom, being about threescore and two years old.Last Edited by 923 on 10/27/2021 09:14 PMYou're not a witch, you're not a magician, and you're not an adept. What you are is a spiritually bereft moron attempting to compensate for your separation from the true and living God. |
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Report Copyright Violation | Re: Isaiah 14:12 - Why I believe that Lucifer refers to Mercury and not to Venus Isaiah is giving a direct astrological parable (parallel) as a sign in the heavens of the fall of the king of Babylon. In order for it to fit, all pieces of the 'story' must fit. Venus is doing nothing like this during this time but is off in Virgo without aspect. Mercury, however, does fit the king of Babylon not only as the king of Babylon was seen as the earthly avatar of Nabu, but as importantly because we have a direct astrological parallel between the transit of Mercury at the fall of Babylon and the parable of Isaiah 14. Last Edited by 923 on 10/27/2021 09:22 PMYou're not a witch, you're not a magician, and you're not an adept. What you are is a spiritually bereft moron attempting to compensate for your separation from the true and living God. |
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Report Copyright Violation | Re: Isaiah 14:12 - Why I believe that Lucifer refers to Mercury and not to Venus The transit is common even in our modern times. For example, we just recently experienced the parallel to the fall of Lucifer in the Balance when Mercury came out of retrograde and now is falling back toward the sun on October 18 when the sun first entered Libra at 0 degrees Spica. It is not the commonality of the transit that is important, but rather it is important to understand its portent. https://imgur.com/a/vF5dBJ0 Last Edited by 923 on 10/27/2021 10:03 PMYou're not a witch, you're not a magician, and you're not an adept. What you are is a spiritually bereft moron attempting to compensate for your separation from the true and living God. |
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The Nabonidus Chroncle tablet, part of the greater Babylonian Chronicle, records the taking of Babylon on Tashritu 16 in the 17th year of Nabonidus. That would be Saturday October 10, 539 BC in the Julian calendar and Saturday October 4, 539 BC in the Gregorian calendar. It was H-brew year 3223 [Masoretic revisionist] the 16th of Tishri at full moon. [ link to www.livius.org (secure)] Nabonidus Chronicle
Col. III[iii.5] [The seventeenth year:note N]abu [came] from Borsippa for the procession of Bel. Bel came out.] [iii.6] [... In the month] Tebetu the king entered Eturkalamma. In the temple [...] [iii.7] [...] ... He made a libation of wine ... [...] [iii.8] [... B]el came out. They performed the Akitu festival as in normal times. In the month [...] [iii.9] [... the gods] of Marad, Zababa, and the gods of Kish, Ninlil [and the gods of] [iii.10] Hursagkalamma entered Babylon. Until the end of the month Ululu the gods of Akkad [...] [iii.11] from everywhere were entering Babylon. The gods of Borsippa, Cuthah, [iii.12] and Sippar did not enter (Babylon). When13Cyrus did13 battle at Opis on the [bank of] [iii.13] the Tigris against the army of Akkad, the people of Akkad [iii.14] retreated. He carried off the plunder (and) slaughtered the people. On the fourteenth day Sippar was captured without a battle. [iii.15] Nabonidus fled. On the sixteenth day, Ugbaru, governor of Gutium, and the army of Cyrus, without battle [iii.16] they entered Babylon. Afterwards, after Nabonidus retreated, he was captured in Babylon. Until the end of the month, the shield-(bearing troops) [iii.17] from Gutium surrounded the gates of Esagil. (But) interruption (of rites) in Esagil or the (other) temples [iii.18] there was not, and no date (for a performance) was missed. On the third day of the month Arahsamna, Cyrus entered Babylon. [iii.19] The harû-vessels were filled before him. There was peace in the city while Cyrus, (his) greeting to [iii.20] Babylon in its entirety spoke. Gubaru, his district officer, appointed the district officers in Babylon. [iii.21] From the month Kislimu to the month Addaru, the gods of Akkad which Nabonidus had brought to Babylon [iii.22] returned to their places. On the night of the eleventh of the month Arahsamna, Ugbaru died. In the mon[th Addaru] [iii.23] the king's wife died. From the twenty-seventh of the month Addaru to the third of the month Nisannu [there was] (an official) mourning period in Akkad. [iii.24] All of the people bared their heads. On the fourth day when Cambyses, son of C[yrus], [iii.25] went to Egidrikalammasummu the ...-official of Nabu, who ... [...] [iii.26] When he came, because of the Elamite dress! the hand of Nabu [...] ... [...] [iii.27] [sp]ears and quivers from [...] ... crown prince to the wo[rk ...] [iii.28] [...] Nabu to Esagil ... before Bel and the son of B[el ...] Last Edited by 923 on 10/28/2021 12:39 AMYou're not a witch, you're not a magician, and you're not an adept. What you are is a spiritually bereft moron attempting to compensate for your separation from the true and living God. |
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Report Copyright Violation | Re: Isaiah 14:12 - Why I believe that Lucifer refers to Mercury and not to Venus Ptolemy offers a glimpse in his Tetrabiblos concerning Chaldean concepts of the relative powers of planets when in either occidental or oriental aspect. Occidental planets are those that rise/set after the sun. Oriental planets are those that rise/set before the sun. When Mercury is direct and transiting upward in oriental aspect, he would be at his most powerful. However, when transiting back toward occidental, he would be in diminution, or 'fallen'. [ link to www.sacred-texts.com (secure)] PTOLEMY'S TETRABIBLOS: CHAPTER XXVII
APPLICATION, SEPARATION, AND OTHER FACULTIESIt appears, therefore, by the whole of what has been already delivered, that the effective influence of the stars must be considered as arising not only from their own peculiar natures and properties, but also from the quality of the surrounding signs, and from configuration with the Sun and the angles; all which has been pointed out. The influence of each planet, however, is strengthened chiefly when it may be oriental, swift and direct in its proper course and motion--for it has then its greatest power: but, on the other hand, it loses strength when occidental and slow in motion or retrograde; as it then acts with smaller effect. 1 Its influence also receives accession or diminution, from its position with regard to the horizon; as, if it be situated in the mid-heaven, or succedent to the mid-heaven, it is especially strong; likewise, if it be on the actual horizon, or succedent to the horizon, it is also powerful--particularly if in the eastern quarter. Should it, however, be below the earth, and configurated with the ascendant, either from the lower heaven, or from any other part below the earth, its influence then becomes more languid; but if, when below the earth, it hold no such configuration, it is entirely deprived of efficacy. Last Edited by 923 on 10/28/2021 03:21 AMYou're not a witch, you're not a magician, and you're not an adept. What you are is a spiritually bereft moron attempting to compensate for your separation from the true and living God. |
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Report Copyright Violation | Re: Isaiah 14:12 - Why I believe that Lucifer refers to Mercury and not to Venus Lucifer (Heb. helel) means 'shining one'. Phaethon means 'shining one'. There is little doubt that the legend of Phaethon attempting to drive the sun chariot and being struck down by Zeus is a much latter Greek adaptation of an older Mesopotamian myth with similar motifs. There is no spirit named 'Lucifer'. There is no angel named 'Lucifer'. Such concepts are latter interpolations and errors born of ignorance and superstition. Isaiah is speaking in purely mocking and Akkadian legend terms that would readily be understood by his contemporaries in order to communicate an astrological parable about the coming fall of the king of Babylon and the Babylonian empire. The only 'Lucifer' (helel) that ever has, or ever will exist by means of parabolic language is Nabar/Nabonidus Belshazzar the grandson of Nebuchadnezzar. And the sign of his fall in heaven was Mercury (Nabu) coming out of retrograde and beginning to fall back behind the sun in occidental aspect on the day Babylon was sacked -- October 10, 539 BC. Last Edited by 923 on 10/28/2021 04:17 AMYou're not a witch, you're not a magician, and you're not an adept. What you are is a spiritually bereft moron attempting to compensate for your separation from the true and living God. |
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Report Copyright Violation | Re: Isaiah 14:12 - Why I believe that Lucifer refers to Mercury and not to Venus For possible cultural associations with Isaiah's parable, I include the Myth of Etana. [ link to www.angelfire.com (secure)] You're not a witch, you're not a magician, and you're not an adept. What you are is a spiritually bereft moron attempting to compensate for your separation from the true and living God. |
