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Corona circus is how we know we are already in the 7 years of tribulation.

 
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But .Yahushua's own brothers one, Jacob, they now re-name James, were in bitter rift because of Paul teaching against things his brother never taught. Who do we believe, Paul, who never even knew the Messiah personally, never spoke with the man while he was on earth, or Jacob and the other brothers, who lived alongside their brother the Son of YAHU.
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So many songs are filled with the rapture idea

Since the 1950's

Up through Be-Bop, Rock, Ballads, even Soul
Not much in today's music, not now today probably cause it isnt really music any more

But if you go back the decades it is quite shocking, it was a definite, common, popular, duffle though, theme

It was not always or even usually that obvious. I can only think of a few right now, but it's the tip of the iceberg

SpaceHog
LED ZEPPELIN
BAD COMPANY
YES
RUSH


You know the songs
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Rapture first
 Quoting: javierruizleon


the word rapture doenst appear in the bible

RAPTURE THEOLOGY WHAT SCRIPTURE ACTUALLY SAYS
“Rapture” is a concept grounded in the Bible The word “rapture” does not appear anywhere
in the Bible. The concept is a creation by a
British evangelist named John Nelson Darby
just 170 years ago.



[link to trinitypreschurch.org (secure)] really good read too

the only event to happen is the lord comes after all the saints
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Great read! Churches all across the world need to absorb this!hf
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Rapture is from the greek Bible, The word rapturo, meaning to violently snatch out.

The pre Trib rapture was taught by Iraenus and early church fathers, who learned from Paul and his direct students.

Constantine could not defeat Christianity and finally decided to make Christianity the state religion. He mixed it with paganism and used it for control and power. The RCC became the satanic monstrosity we see today.

They suppressed all prophecy, including the pre Trib rapture, the Trib itself, the Millennium. When the reformation happened, denominations broke off and kept much of the RCC heresies.

Darby didn't start pre Trib. Paul did, the early church fathers. The RCC, ie satan, hates the Bible and the truth.

Sorry.
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This link makes the case that Iraenius believed the church will go through the tribulation as one last test.

[link to www.alankurschner.com (secure)]

Also Paul taught the resurrection and being caught up after the resurrection. He believed we all received new bodies first. The word harpazo in Greek is the word for being caught up and this happens after the dead in Christ rise from their graves.

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Subtle I said
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the word rapture doenst appear in the bible

RAPTURE THEOLOGY WHAT SCRIPTURE ACTUALLY SAYS
“Rapture” is a concept grounded in the Bible The word “rapture” does not appear anywhere
in the Bible. The concept is a creation by a
British evangelist named John Nelson Darby... 170 years ago

 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 78830303


Great read! Churches all across the world need to absorb this!hf
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Rapture is from the greek Bible, The word rapturo, meaning to violently snatch out.

The pre Trib rapture was taught by Iraenus and early church fathers, who learned from Paul and his direct ...students?

They suppressed all prophecy, including the pre Trib rapture, [but it isnt a scriptural prophecy]the Trib itself, the Millennium. When the reformation happened, denominations broke off and kept much of the RCC heresies. [ yes so many, like Sunday, THEN abrogating the Seventh Day, Saturday, commandment to cease work & rest, enjoy, hold sacred unto the Father and Son to observe and commune with Them, the doctrine of the Trinity, the celebration of Chrisdtmas being ostensibly the birth day of the messiah, Easter instead of Passover, the worship of Baal/Jupiter/Zeus and Astarte, El, Saturn, Ishtar, seen clearly in their rituals, monuments and doctrinal litanies, infant christening, communion, praying for the dead...]

Darby didn't start pre Trib. Paul did, the early church fathers. The RCC, ie [it's GOD]Satan, hates the Bible and the truth.

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This link makes the case that Iraenius believed the church will go through the tribulation as one last test.

[link to www.alankurschner.com (secure)]
 Quoting: Achduke7


Well maybe it could be that it was this in particular which caused the rift and antagonism between Paul then, and Yahushua's FAITHFUL FAMILY, FOLLOWERS BROTHERS!? This teaching has been widely held among the heathen nations, like as I said, Egypt, of being ascended to go live in the stars, which they prepared a person for way before death, the May and, Aztecs, etc also in Peru, Shamans had 5hose stone eso me doors, with a strange key hole going nowhere, ... would prepare, then go to a doorway, these gateways, standing, then in communion be swept through a portal to live in harmony as an ascended immortal soul. Maybe to return, maybe not ever.

the rapture, as you say, if Paul, (ever trying to add things to the word it seems to me), taught this, maybe he thought he would gain adherents it 3as so ingrained in those cultures.

It is like a fairy-tale; it IS a FAIRY-TALE. It's from faeries' forked tongues!
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Those large stone "door" monoliths, with carved lintels and posts and strange useless keyhole? : ) go to one, do some occult shenanigans and poof, gone disappeared
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Anyway, I know it can not be permitted to be specific again already did and it was not

The Egyptian, Mayan, Aztec, Olmec, Hindoo, Buddhist, Toltec, Persian, Sumerian, Babylonian, Druidic, American Natives, and now i notice the Gobekli -Tepi T-shaped figure monoliths... that is very on point to me, it is global

A deity
A tree
A stylised tree
A deity symbolised by that, depicted as the tree of 5he knowledge of good and 3vil, but 5h8s tree was Sstan not 5ge Spirit of LIFE, THE TREE IF LIFE, S PIRIT OF TRUTH, LOVE ASND LIFE shared by The Father and his Son, 5he firstborn of all creation,
Not the tree of life, (who is the true only messiah)

But the "Tree" of he who used mystic knowledge, forbidden, occult knowledge of how to exploit and manipulate the principles of the universe to his own agenda - power - inflicting abuse, misery, death on the creation of life.

This is the mystic knowledge tree
His symbol is well-known by all and used by practically all peoples
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Living has taught me one thing; nothing is certain...except salvation through Jesus Christ!
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Yep Rev 21:1 says there was no more sea

And if you calculate the size of this gigantic cube called 'New Jerusalem', its footprint is about half of the US. A Massive object, I wouldn't even call it a city. Maybe future earthlings (the worthy ones) will live in this UFO and no longer on the surface of the earth which is probably too scorched.
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Don't worry. The earth is cleansed. Actually they will not even need to burn firewood for seven years because they can burn all the scrounged up weapons will be burned.

Ezekiel 39:9 And they that dwell in the cities of Israel shall go forth, and shall set on fire and burn the weapons, both the shields and the bucklers, the bows and the arrows, and the handstaves, and the spears, and they shall burn them with fire seven years: 10 So that they shall take no wood out of the field, neither cut down any out of the forests; for they shall burn the weapons with fire: and they shall spoil those that spoiled them, and rob those that robbed them, saith the Lord GOD.
 Quoting: Achduke7


I understand this prophecy to be actually in the millennium, to be the aftermath of the final rebellion when after being taught the truth, the entire truth, simple truth, beautiful mysterious truths, no lies allowed,demons and devil banished, the devil is THEN, IN THAT MILLENNIUM, loosed for one final last little bit of time. TO SEE IF ANYONE STILL LOVES HIS LIES MORE THAN THE TRUE CREATORS AND the CREATORS' TRUTHS. War, then annihilation of his final holdout adherents, for all eternity, with him and his angels
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The Egyptian, Mayan, Aztec, Olmec, Hindoo, Buddhist, Toltec, Persian, Sumerian, Babylonian, Druidic, American Natives, and now i notice the Gobekli -Tepi T-shaped figure monoliths... that is very on point to me, it is global

A deity
A tree
A stylised tree
A deity symbolised by that, depicted as the tree of 5he knowledge of good and evil, but this tree was Satan not the Spirit of LIFE, THE TREE oF LIFE, OF TRUTH, LOVE shared by The Father and his Son, the firstborn of all creation,

This stylised tree symbol is NOT for LIFE, it is DEATH SPIRIT, AGAINST LIFE! It is a mystic, symbolic representation of the "tree" who tempted and lied about being able to give them special knowledge better than they could imagine.
Not the Tree Of Life, (Who is the True Only Messiah)

But the other tree in the garden, the Spirit Being, "Tree" of he who used bad mystic knowledge, forbidden, occult knowledge of how to exploit and manipulate the principles of the universe to his own agenda - power - to inflict abuse, misery, death on the CREATOR'S beloved creation.

the mystic knowledge tree is bad, bad, vile and horrid
His symbol is well-known by all and used by practically all peoples
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I decided to start this thread as I recently realized that, either because the book of revelations was truly prophetic, or because it’s being used as a script by the ruling elites, the whole corona circus, and specifically since the second half of 2020, can be considered to be the start of the 7 years of tribulation.

Since around 2004 I was pretty sure that starting 2012 things were going to start changing at an ever increasing and scary pace, and I think is hard to disagree with that idea looking backwards.

After 2012 I was in the “any minute now” mind set, meaning that I was looking out for the beginning of the total collapse of society. I was never a prepper or thought that I needed to be doing anything else than being aware that things could change quickly at any moment, and be mentally prepared for that, as being materially prepared would be impossible if anything remotely as bad as many of the potential scenarios that were being pictured, came to actually pass. Being mentally prepared to face whatever came with the right attitude was what I thought was the best way to prepare. I resume this with the following picture:

:attitudeisall:

I felt that things kept getting worse but never at a pace that could wake up the masses. By mid 2019 I was kind of amazed we had gotten so far, while the pace of change had been noticeably speeding up, but yet people was more concerned about trying to keep focused in their materialism and consumerism, as if nothing was happening and nothing else mattered. I was personally doing well on business (had been already for a few years) and for a while I thought things were going to keep at the same pace and I better enjoyed while it lasted.

By late 2019 the first chatter about a new virus here at GLP called my attention, but is wasn’t until when the Chinese started bulldozing roads to keep people locked up by the end of January 2020 that it became clear to me something was going to happen. And happen it did.

I have to admit I was concerned about the virus itself for most of 2020 and even most of the first half of 2021. For me it was clear it was artificial from the get go, and I did all I could to avoid catching it. I was never afraid of dying quickly from it, it was clear that it wasn’t very lethal, but of whatever it could cause long term. Long Covid sufferers kind of confirmed to me that it could be a long term burden.

While all this was unfolding I was hearing about the development of vaccines and I simply couldn’t really give those news any credence,
and I thought it was simply to appease the masses with a false promise of safety. I could not see any experimental vaccine to be ready for trials in less than three years. I kept thinking all the hype around vaccines was just that, hype.

When they started vaccinating people in late 2020 trials, I was still baffled than anyone would willingly submit to being a guinea pig. I decided instantaneously I was not going to get a jab and would wait a few years and see what happened to the jabbers until even considering getting one, and that was the extent of it for me, no jab until I have seen it was safe, period, whatever the time it might take, I had already been successful at not getting the virus so why would I take a chance with a rushed vaccine?

And that was me for the first half of 2021. I started to see the reports of side effects and deaths and I thought that it was a wonder that they weren’t more with such a rushed product, and felt reassured I had made the right choice.

My parents went for the sinovac shots in February and March 2021. I had strongly advised them to hold out until more was known, but they were wanting to “back to normal” so went along. They kept telling me that they were ok and the shots were safe and I kept telling them that I wasn’t going to for the foreseeable future. They were upset with me but I didn’t care. My wife and me were going to hold as long as necessary. The Covid passport was just beginning to be talked about and we didn’t really care as traveling was out of the table for the time being.

It wasn’t until the beginning of June 2021 that things took a twist for me. I had seen the claims of magnetic effects from the shots since late April, but found them to lack merit upon a cursory look (“Tik Tokkers looking for clicks” was my assessment). But then one day of early June,
my wife comments me that the Instagram page of a doctor we followed for his holistic take on medicine and was relatively famous in Chile, and often invited to TV, had been completely scrubbed, and several social media were talking about him being an irresponsible jackass and a clown for trying to get people to doubt about vaccination. There wasn’t much mention of what he had said or done, so I begun looking what could be the sin he had committed and soon found out. (Continues...)
 Quoting: Red Hot Chilean Pepe

The Tribulation Period of 7 years coincides with the & yr treaty the Anti Christ signs with Israel, after his army puts Jerusalem to siege(Mat 24).
We are a long, long way from fulfilling the prophecies required just to get to that point.

Study your Bible some more. Guess less about the meaning of Prophecy
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And he causeth all, great and small, rich and poor, free and bond...
To receive a mark...

We all have been fooled into accepting it, practically, except a very small remnant. Even Israel used it

Even old Moslem mosques, palaces have it on their doors
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I decided to start this thread as I recently realized that, either because the book of revelations was truly prophetic, or because it’s being used as a script by the ruling elites, the whole corona circus, and specifically since the second half of 2020, can be considered to be the start of the 7 years of tribulation.

Since around 2004 I was pretty sure that starting 2012 things were going to start changing at an ever increasing and scary pace, and I think is hard to disagree with that idea looking backwards.

After 2012 I was in the “any minute now” mind set, meaning that I was looking out for the beginning of the total collapse of society. I was never a prepper or thought that I needed to be doing anything else than being aware that things could change quickly at any moment, and be mentally prepared for that, as being materially prepared would be impossible if anything remotely as bad as many of the potential scenarios that were being pictured, came to actually pass. Being mentally prepared to face whatever came with the right attitude was what I thought was the best way to prepare. I resume this with the following picture:

:attitudeisall:

I felt that things kept getting worse but never at a pace that could wake up the masses. By mid 2019 I was kind of amazed we had gotten so far, while the pace of change had been noticeably speeding up, but yet people was more concerned about trying to keep focused in their materialism and consumerism, as if nothing was happening and nothing else mattered. I was personally doing well on business (had been already for a few years) and for a while I thought things were going to keep at the same pace and I better enjoyed while it lasted.

By late 2019 the first chatter about a new virus here at GLP called my attention, but is wasn’t until when the Chinese started bulldozing roads to keep people locked up by the end of January 2020 that it became clear to me something was going to happen. And happen it did.

I have to admit I was concerned about the virus itself for most of 2020 and even most of the first half of 2021. For me it was clear it was artificial from the get go, and I did all I could to avoid catching it. I was never afraid of dying quickly from it, it was clear that it wasn’t very lethal, but of whatever it could cause long term. Long Covid sufferers kind of confirmed to me that it could be a long term burden.

While all this was unfolding I was hearing about the development of vaccines and I simply couldn’t really give those news any credence,
and I thought it was simply to appease the masses with a false promise of safety. I could not see any experimental vaccine to be ready for trials in less than three years. I kept thinking all the hype around vaccines was just that, hype.

When they started vaccinating people in late 2020 trials, I was still baffled than anyone would willingly submit to being a guinea pig. I decided instantaneously I was not going to get a jab and would wait a few years and see what happened to the jabbers until even considering getting one, and that was the extent of it for me, no jab until I have seen it was safe, period, whatever the time it might take, I had already been successful at not getting the virus so why would I take a chance with a rushed vaccine?

And that was me for the first half of 2021. I started to see the reports of side effects and deaths and I thought that it was a wonder that they weren’t more with such a rushed product, and felt reassured I had made the right choice.

My parents went for the sinovac shots in February and March 2021. I had strongly advised them to hold out until more was known, but they were wanting to “back to normal” so went along. They kept telling me that they were ok and the shots were safe and I kept telling them that I wasn’t going to for the foreseeable future. They were upset with me but I didn’t care. My wife and me were going to hold as long as necessary. The Covid passport was just beginning to be talked about and we didn’t really care as traveling was out of the table for the time being.

It wasn’t until the beginning of June 2021 that things took a twist for me. I had seen the claims of magnetic effects from the shots since late April, but found them to lack merit upon a cursory look (“Tik Tokkers looking for clicks” was my assessment). But then one day of early June,
my wife comments me that the Instagram page of a doctor we followed for his holistic take on medicine and was relatively famous in Chile, and often invited to TV, had been completely scrubbed, and several social media were talking about him being an irresponsible jackass and a clown for trying to get people to doubt about vaccination. There wasn’t much mention of what he had said or done, so I begun looking what could be the sin he had committed and soon found out. (Continues...)
 Quoting: Red Hot Chilean Pepe

The Tribulation Period of 7 years coincides with the & yr treaty the Anti Christ signs with Israel, after his army puts Jerusalem to siege(Mat 24).
We are a long, long way from fulfilling the prophecies required just to get to that point.

Study your Bible some more. Guess less about the meaning of Prophecy
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The pope in 2015 signed a 7 year treaty, I have to go find out more

My point is perople think they know it will be afar off when it could be we are sadly mistaken!
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And as all kinds of people have already taken the mark, that is done
Already, and yes, it is possible yo into 5hat decision, which we URGENTLY need to do - we must renounce it and w no it stands for, a wrong deity, a bad spirit, the death God
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I said, it is possible to undo that decision
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This tablet keeps changing my words
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I've posted this before and it has not met with a very friendly attitude: (ie people say I'm lying, but I'm not)

we are unvaxed and find that magnets stick around the collarbone

and, in fact, long ago, years ago, a person in our family showed me that magnets stuck to his fingers.
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I'm unvaxxed and magnets stick to my collarbone area!
And my forehead.

Those little neodymium
magnets only, but still..it has me freaked out.
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I've posted this before and it has not met with a very friendly attitude: (ie people say I'm lying, but I'm not)

we are unvaxed and find that magnets stick around the collarbone

and, in fact, long ago, years ago, a person in our family showed me that magnets stuck to his fingers.
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I haven't noticed those posts before. But fine, I don't have any problem with this post.

I also don't find that magnets stick to my shoulder or collarbone or anywhere else. I just checked at my collarbone.

So I'm not unfriendly, I just don't know of any data to support your assertion.
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But if he holds fast to My refuge, He makes Me his friend; He makes Me his friend. (Isaiah 27:4-5)
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the word rapture doenst appear in the bible

RAPTURE THEOLOGY WHAT SCRIPTURE ACTUALLY SAYS
“Rapture” is a concept grounded in the Bible The word “rapture” does not appear anywhere
in the Bible. The concept is a creation by a
British evangelist named John Nelson Darby
just 170 years ago.



[link to trinitypreschurch.org (secure)] really good read too

the only event to happen is the lord comes after all the saints
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 78830303


Great read! Churches all across the world need to absorb this!hf
 Quoting: Red Dot


Rapture is from the greek Bible, The word rapturo, meaning to violently snatch out.

The pre Trib rapture was taught by Iraenus and early church fathers, who learned from Paul and his direct students.

Constantine could not defeat Christianity and finally decided to make Christianity the state religion. He mixed it with paganism and used it for control and power. The RCC became the satanic monstrosity we see today.

They suppressed all prophecy, including the pre Trib rapture, the Trib itself, the Millennium. When the reformation happened, denominations broke off and kept much of the RCC heresies.

Darby didn't start pre Trib. Paul did, the early church fathers. The RCC, ie satan, hates the Bible and the truth.

Sorry.
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This link makes the case that Iraenius believed the church will go through the tribulation as one last test.

[link to www.alankurschner.com (secure)]

Also Paul taught the resurrection and being caught up after the resurrection. He believed we all received new bodies first. The word harpazo in Greek is the word for being caught up and this happens after the dead in Christ rise from their graves.
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I'd suggest looking up some of Ken Johnson's work, Bible scholar. He has a youtube channel. He is a Bible scholar and an expert on ancient literature. He specializes in prophecy, he is an expert on the Dead Sea Scrolls.

Polycarp taught pre Trib. Paul did as well. 2 Thessalonians was written because false teachers were going around Thessalonica teaching that the Rapture, the snatching away. had happened and they missed it. Paul replied that the restrainer had to he removed before the man of lawlessness could be revealed, and that they had not missed it. This tells us two thing. The Thessalonian church believe the Rapture was imminent. They also believed it was possible to miss it. Paul had taught them these things and they were questioning him and he responded.

The Body of Christ is restraining evil in the world right now. Once it is gone, the world will grow incredibly dark and evil. A person can miss the Rapture, per Paul, so it is not the final resurrection. That is where God brings every sinner back that ever sinned and went to hell, and every knee shall bow and admit Jesus is Lord. This is at the Great White Throne judgment at the end if Christ's 1000 year Millennial reign.

The catching away of the Body of Christ at the end of the age of grace is clear. Catholicism demonized literal prophecy and spiritualized all of it. So many current denominations believe a mix and match version of a figurative Millennium, a post Trin rapture, they believe that we are in the 1000 years, they believe the rapture is the last resurrection. It is a real mess, due to RCC demonic teachings. Just like indulgences, confession booths, nuns, etc, and all other non Biblical nonsense.

This is almost impossible to see for those raised and lost in the RCC, or those raised in Methodist, Church of Christ,etc etc.

Get a King James Bible. Read it and study it. Divide what is for Is--el and what is for the Body of Christ. Study the age of Grace. Keep it all in context.

It is all plain. But the plain sense becomes nonsense when it is all spiritualized. And the only reason to spiritualize it is in order to cause fear, anxiety and to control. Which is what religion does.

Christianity is not religion, it is a person, Jesus Christ. He said, it is finished. Religion has perverted His name and life to a sickening degree.
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“WE” know nothing of the sort. This is YOUR opinion and YOUR misguided opinion alone, so do NOT drag me and others into it. God himself has said that NO man will know the time, and that includes YOU.

False prophets like YOU will share a corner of Hell for even attempting to predict a date and you should repent while you have a chance
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Great read! Churches all across the world need to absorb this!hf
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Rapture is from the greek Bible, The word rapturo, meaning to violently snatch out.

The pre Trib rapture was taught by Iraenus and early church fathers, who learned from Paul and his direct students.

Constantine could not defeat Christianity and finally decided to make Christianity the state religion. He mixed it with paganism and used it for control and power. The RCC became the satanic monstrosity we see today.

They suppressed all prophecy, including the pre Trib rapture, the Trib itself, the Millennium. When the reformation happened, denominations broke off and kept much of the RCC heresies.

Darby didn't start pre Trib. Paul did, the early church fathers. The RCC, ie satan, hates the Bible and the truth.

Sorry.
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This link makes the case that Iraenius believed the church will go through the tribulation as one last test.

[link to www.alankurschner.com (secure)]

Also Paul taught the resurrection and being caught up after the resurrection. He believed we all received new bodies first. The word harpazo in Greek is the word for being caught up and this happens after the dead in Christ rise from their graves.
 Quoting: Achduke7



I'd suggest looking up some of Ken Johnson's work, Bible scholar. He has a youtube channel. He is a Bible scholar and an expert on ancient literature. He specializes in prophecy, he is an expert on the Dead Sea Scrolls.

Polycarp taught pre Trib. Paul did as well. 2 Thessalonians was written because false teachers were going around Thessalonica teaching that the Rapture, the snatching away. had happened and they missed it. Paul replied that the restrainer had to he removed before the man of lawlessness could be revealed, and that they had not missed it. This tells us two thing. The Thessalonian church believe the Rapture was imminent. They also believed it was possible to miss it. Paul had taught them these things and they were questioning him and he responded.

The Body of Christ is restraining evil in the world right now. Once it is gone, the world will grow incredibly dark and evil. A person can miss the Rapture, per Paul, so it is not the final resurrection. That is where God brings every sinner back that ever sinned and went to hell, and every knee shall bow and admit Jesus is Lord. This is at the Great White Throne judgment at the end if Christ's 1000 year Millennial reign.

The catching away of the Body of Christ at the end of the age of grace is clear. Catholicism demonized literal prophecy and spiritualized all of it. So many current denominations believe a mix and match version of a figurative Millennium, a post Trin rapture, they believe that we are in the 1000 years, they believe the rapture is the last resurrection. It is a real mess, due to RCC demonic teachings. Just like indulgences, confession booths, nuns, etc, and all other non Biblical nonsense.

This is almost impossible to see for those raised and lost in the RCC, or those raised in Methodist, Church of Christ,etc etc.

Get a King James Bible. Read it and study it. Divide what is for Is--el and what is for the Body of Christ. Study the age of Grace. Keep it all in context.

It is all plain. But the plain sense becomes nonsense when it is all spiritualized. And the only reason to spiritualize it is in order to cause fear, anxiety and to control. Which is what religion does.

Christianity is not religion, it is a person, Jesus Christ. He said, it is finished. Religion has perverted His name and life to a sickening degree.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 80378338


2 thess 2 is a prime example with the flaws of the pretrib doctrine and the belief of imminence.

2 Thess 2 shows that the gathering to Christ cannot happen at anytime like the pre-trib is taught since the falling away and the anti-christ must be revealed first. These are condtions of any rapture being pretrib or posttrib. There is no doctrine of imminence.

Also I do not see any reason why 2 Thess supports a pre-trib. It just as must supports post-trib.

The gathering to Christ from 1 Thess was all about the resurrection which 2 thess furth explains.

Also I do not find anything about Polycarp and pretrib. He does mention that Christ will judge the just and the unjust.


The resurrection of the unjust is the 2nd resurrection. You do not want to be a part of the 2nd resurrection. I do not see where believers in Christ would miss the gathering to Christ. Saints durint the tribulation are believers in Christ along with the 2 witnesses and the 144k. The 2 witness are killed after the tribulation and are resurrection and gathered to Christ(raptured).

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Renounce all false teachings.
Renounce and depart from Babylon.

Biblical timelines of "End Times" are man made.
Powerful men have used mega churches, men like Darby & Hal Lindsey to influence millions.
Using Babylon business formulas in popular ministries - to standardize a set of false timelines. And a false gospel and an "image" to worship. Years of indoctrination convinced many of these manmade corruptions.

Depart from religious Babylon and then, eyes & ears will open. Staying in corrupt teachings is to willingly accept them.

5/g is a frequency. It is here, now.

Lawlessness. Corruption. Inequity.
The mystery of inequity comes into fullness... maximum corruptness and then, things will radically move forward.

When this frequency "speaks" or is "revealed" to the entire world then - those who believe in lies will submit to it.
Scenes depicting this event are in movies.
Being able to overcome this assault is essential.
Divine intervention will be given to those who qualify as worthy. Jesus is the judge who decides who is worthy.

"For if someone comes to you and preaches a Jesus other than the Jesus we preached, or if you receive a different spirit from the Spirit you received, or a different gospel from the one you accepted, you put up with it easily enough".
Cor. 11
Paul writes this to warn of a "different Jesus" and different or modified gospel message that is easily accepted by the majority.
Jesus said, "FEW" will seek the Narrow Way that leads to Life. FEW love Truth and few seek TRUTH.

The mega churches & ministries teach; once you say an abc sinners prayer, you'll always be saved. They are preaching a different gospel. They tell you to pray to a "different Jesus" and most accept that false image as the real One.
It isn't. It's a false religious image.

Paul teaches what Jesus said.
Those preachers who modify what Paul said are exactly what was warned about by both Jesus and Paul.
Both warning of wolves who are preaching manmade religion and false doctrines that were contrived to fool .. the foolish sheep.
The parable of the foolish virgins - they do not have enough oil in their lamps for this event.

This is it.
This 5/g "frequency" is going to separate those who believe in lies and those who love TRUTH.
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Renounce all false teachings.
Renounce and depart from Babylon.

Biblical timelines of "End Times" are man made.
Powerful men have used mega churches, men like Darby & Hal Lindsey to influence millions.
Using Babylon business formulas in popular ministries - to standardize a set of false timelines. And a false gospel and an "image" to worship. Years of indoctrination convinced many of these manmade corruptions.

Depart from religious Babylon and then, eyes & ears will open. Staying in corrupt teachings is to willingly accept them.

5/g is a frequency. It is here, now.

Lawlessness. Corruption. Inequity.
The mystery of inequity comes into fullness... maximum corruptness and then, things will radically move forward.

When this frequency "speaks" or is "revealed" to the entire world then - those who believe in lies will submit to it.
Scenes depicting this event are in movies.
Being able to overcome this assault is essential.
Divine intervention will be given to those who qualify as worthy. Jesus is the judge who decides who is worthy.

"For if someone comes to you and preaches a Jesus other than the Jesus we preached, or if you receive a different spirit from the Spirit you received, or a different gospel from the one you accepted, you put up with it easily enough".
Cor. 11
Paul writes this to warn of a "different Jesus" and different or modified gospel message that is easily accepted by the majority.
Jesus said, "FEW" will seek the Narrow Way that leads to Life. FEW love Truth and few seek TRUTH.

The mega churches & ministries teach; once you say an abc sinners prayer, you'll always be saved. They are preaching a different gospel. They tell you to pray to a "different Jesus" and most accept that false image as the real One.
It isn't. It's a false religious image.

Paul teaches what Jesus said.
Those preachers who modify what Paul said are exactly what was warned about by both Jesus and Paul.
Both warning of wolves who are preaching manmade religion and false doctrines that were contrived to fool .. the foolish sheep.
The parable of the foolish virgins - they do not have enough oil in their lamps for this event.

This is it.
This 5/g "frequency" is going to separate those who believe in lies and those who love TRUTH.
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Permit an outsider (I don't particularly follow the NT) to ask a question.

"Paul teaches what Jesus said?"

They never met. How would Paul have known what to teach, if that was his intention?
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Renounce all false teachings.
Renounce and depart from Babylon.

Biblical timelines of "End Times" are man made.
Powerful men have used mega churches, men like Darby & Hal Lindsey to influence millions.
Using Babylon business formulas in popular ministries - to standardize a set of false timelines. And a false gospel and an "image" to worship. Years of indoctrination convinced many of these manmade corruptions.

Depart from religious Babylon and then, eyes & ears will open. Staying in corrupt teachings is to willingly accept them.

5/g is a frequency. It is here, now.

Lawlessness. Corruption. Inequity.
The mystery of inequity comes into fullness... maximum corruptness and then, things will radically move forward.

When this frequency "speaks" or is "revealed" to the entire world then - those who believe in lies will submit to it.
Scenes depicting this event are in movies.
Being able to overcome this assault is essential.
Divine intervention will be given to those who qualify as worthy. Jesus is the judge who decides who is worthy.

"For if someone comes to you and preaches a Jesus other than the Jesus we preached, or if you receive a different spirit from the Spirit you received, or a different gospel from the one you accepted, you put up with it easily enough".
Cor. 11
Paul writes this to warn of a "different Jesus" and different or modified gospel message that is easily accepted by the majority.
Jesus said, "FEW" will seek the Narrow Way that leads to Life. FEW love Truth and few seek TRUTH.

The mega churches & ministries teach; once you say an abc sinners prayer, you'll always be saved. They are preaching a different gospel. They tell you to pray to a "different Jesus" and most accept that false image as the real One.
It isn't. It's a false religious image.

Paul teaches what Jesus said.
Those preachers who modify what Paul said are exactly what was warned about by both Jesus and Paul.
Both warning of wolves who are preaching manmade religion and false doctrines that were contrived to fool .. the foolish sheep.
The parable of the foolish virgins - they do not have enough oil in their lamps for this event.

This is it.
This 5/g "frequency" is going to separate those who believe in lies and those who love TRUTH.
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Actually 5G has 3 bands or groups of frequencies.

Low Band is just the old cell phone frequencies 600 MHz, 800 Mhz and 900 Mhz which was used by the cordless phones that were attached to landlines back in the late 80s and 90s.

Mid Band is around current wifi frequencies of 2.5 GHz, 3.5 GHz, and 3.7-4.2 GHz. Current wifi uses 2.4 Ghz and 5.0 Ghz but 900 Mhz is also available to some wifi devices.

High Band has the most bandwidth but I am not sure if it is used yet. The signals do not travel far and need to have more cell towers. THe frequencies are 24 Ghz, 28 GHz, 37 GHz, 39 GHz, and 47 GHz bands. These bands are much higher frequency mut not considered teraherts frequencies like the airport uses for body scanning.

Why do you think 5G is bad?
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Renounce all false teachings.
Renounce and depart from Babylon.

Biblical timelines of "End Times" are man made.
Powerful men have used mega churches, men like Darby & Hal Lindsey to influence millions.
Using Babylon business formulas in popular ministries - to standardize a set of false timelines. And a false gospel and an "image" to worship. Years of indoctrination convinced many of these manmade corruptions.

Depart from religious Babylon and then, eyes & ears will open. Staying in corrupt teachings is to willingly accept them.

5/g is a frequency. It is here, now.

Lawlessness. Corruption. Inequity.
The mystery of inequity comes into fullness... maximum corruptness and then, things will radically move forward.

When this frequency "speaks" or is "revealed" to the entire world then - those who believe in lies will submit to it.
Scenes depicting this event are in movies.
Being able to overcome this assault is essential.
Divine intervention will be given to those who qualify as worthy. Jesus is the judge who decides who is worthy.

"For if someone comes to you and preaches a Jesus other than the Jesus we preached, or if you receive a different spirit from the Spirit you received, or a different gospel from the one you accepted, you put up with it easily enough".
Cor. 11
Paul writes this to warn of a "different Jesus" and different or modified gospel message that is easily accepted by the majority.
Jesus said, "FEW" will seek the Narrow Way that leads to Life. FEW love Truth and few seek TRUTH.

The mega churches & ministries teach; once you say an abc sinners prayer, you'll always be saved. They are preaching a different gospel. They tell you to pray to a "different Jesus" and most accept that false image as the real One.
It isn't. It's a false religious image.

Paul teaches what Jesus said.
Those preachers who modify what Paul said are exactly what was warned about by both Jesus and Paul.
Both warning of wolves who are preaching manmade religion and false doctrines that were contrived to fool .. the foolish sheep.
The parable of the foolish virgins - they do not have enough oil in their lamps for this event.

This is it.
This 5/g "frequency" is going to separate those who believe in lies and those who love TRUTH.
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Permit an outsider (I don't particularly follow the NT) to ask a question.

"Paul teaches what Jesus said?"

They never met. How would Paul have known what to teach, if that was his intention?
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Christ met Paul on the road to Damacus. Once Paul was baptized he received the Holy Spirit which taught Paul what to say and what to teach as the Holy Spirit did with all the apostles. That is why their message of God and Christ are all synced.

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Rapture is from the greek Bible, The word rapturo, meaning to violently snatch out.

The pre Trib rapture was taught by Iraenus and early church fathers, who learned from Paul and his direct students.

Constantine could not defeat Christianity and finally decided to make Christianity the state religion. He mixed it with paganism and used it for control and power. The RCC became the satanic monstrosity we see today.

They suppressed all prophecy, including the pre Trib rapture, the Trib itself, the Millennium. When the reformation happened, denominations broke off and kept much of the RCC heresies.

Darby didn't start pre Trib. Paul did, the early church fathers. The RCC, ie satan, hates the Bible and the truth.

Sorry.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 80378338


This link makes the case that Iraenius believed the church will go through the tribulation as one last test.

[link to www.alankurschner.com (secure)]

Also Paul taught the resurrection and being caught up after the resurrection. He believed we all received new bodies first. The word harpazo in Greek is the word for being caught up and this happens after the dead in Christ rise from their graves.
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I'd suggest looking up some of Ken Johnson's work, Bible scholar. He has a youtube channel. He is a Bible scholar and an expert on ancient literature. He specializes in prophecy, he is an expert on the Dead Sea Scrolls.

Polycarp taught pre Trib. Paul did as well. 2 Thessalonians was written because false teachers were going around Thessalonica teaching that the Rapture, the snatching away. had happened and they missed it. Paul replied that the restrainer had to he removed before the man of lawlessness could be revealed, and that they had not missed it. This tells us two thing. The Thessalonian church believe the Rapture was imminent. They also believed it was possible to miss it. Paul had taught them these things and they were questioning him and he responded.

The Body of Christ is restraining evil in the world right now. Once it is gone, the world will grow incredibly dark and evil. A person can miss the Rapture, per Paul, so it is not the final resurrection. That is where God brings every sinner back that ever sinned and went to hell, and every knee shall bow and admit Jesus is Lord. This is at the Great White Throne judgment at the end if Christ's 1000 year Millennial reign.

The catching away of the Body of Christ at the end of the age of grace is clear. Catholicism demonized literal prophecy and spiritualized all of it. So many current denominations believe a mix and match version of a figurative Millennium, a post Trin rapture, they believe that we are in the 1000 years, they believe the rapture is the last resurrection. It is a real mess, due to RCC demonic teachings. Just like indulgences, confession booths, nuns, etc, and all other non Biblical nonsense.

This is almost impossible to see for those raised and lost in the RCC, or those raised in Methodist, Church of Christ,etc etc.

Get a King James Bible. Read it and study it. Divide what is for Is--el and what is for the Body of Christ. Study the age of Grace. Keep it all in context.

It is all plain. But the plain sense becomes nonsense when it is all spiritualized. And the only reason to spiritualize it is in order to cause fear, anxiety and to control. Which is what religion does.

Christianity is not religion, it is a person, Jesus Christ. He said, it is finished. Religion has perverted His name and life to a sickening degree.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 80378338


2 thess 2 is a prime example with the flaws of the pretrib doctrine and the belief of imminence.

2 Thess 2 shows that the gathering to Christ cannot happen at anytime like the pre-trib is taught since the falling away and the anti-christ must be revealed first. These are condtions of any rapture being pretrib or posttrib. There is no doctrine of imminence.

Also I do not see any reason why 2 Thess supports a pre-trib. It just as must supports post-trib.

The gathering to Christ from 1 Thess was all about the resurrection which 2 thess furth explains.

Also I do not find anything about Polycarp and pretrib. He does mention that Christ will judge the just and the unjust.


The resurrection of the unjust is the 2nd resurrection. You do not want to be a part of the 2nd resurrection. I do not see where believers in Christ would miss the gathering to Christ. Saints durint the tribulation are believers in Christ along with the 2 witnesses and the 144k. The 2 witness are killed after the tribulation and are resurrection and gathered to Christ(raptured).
 Quoting: Achduke7


Prime example of taking verses out of context. Paul says the Trib cannot begin until the rebellion and the man of lawlessness is revealed. In the next few verses he says that the man of lawlessness cannot be revealed unless the one holding him back is removed, ie the restrainer. This is the Body of Christ.

There are a ton of logical fallacies in pre wrath. Again, if the Thessalonicans believed they missed it, then they had to believe it was imminent and signless, as there was no antichrist revealed at the time they thought they had missed it.

The Bible clearly says the Body of Christ will not go through the wrath of God, and the seven years are plainly God's wrath.

This has been argued to death here and no matter the evidence, just like above, someone says, well, I don't see a pre Trib rapture, regardless of the logical fallacies that a pre or post trib rapture cause.

The important part is to place all our faith in Christ for salvation. That is my final word on it.
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This link makes the case that Iraenius believed the church will go through the tribulation as one last test.

[link to www.alankurschner.com (secure)]

Also Paul taught the resurrection and being caught up after the resurrection. He believed we all received new bodies first. The word harpazo in Greek is the word for being caught up and this happens after the dead in Christ rise from their graves.
 Quoting: Achduke7



I'd suggest looking up some of Ken Johnson's work, Bible scholar. He has a youtube channel. He is a Bible scholar and an expert on ancient literature. He specializes in prophecy, he is an expert on the Dead Sea Scrolls.

Polycarp taught pre Trib. Paul did as well. 2 Thessalonians was written because false teachers were going around Thessalonica teaching that the Rapture, the snatching away. had happened and they missed it. Paul replied that the restrainer had to he removed before the man of lawlessness could be revealed, and that they had not missed it. This tells us two thing. The Thessalonian church believe the Rapture was imminent. They also believed it was possible to miss it. Paul had taught them these things and they were questioning him and he responded.

The Body of Christ is restraining evil in the world right now. Once it is gone, the world will grow incredibly dark and evil. A person can miss the Rapture, per Paul, so it is not the final resurrection. That is where God brings every sinner back that ever sinned and went to hell, and every knee shall bow and admit Jesus is Lord. This is at the Great White Throne judgment at the end if Christ's 1000 year Millennial reign.

The catching away of the Body of Christ at the end of the age of grace is clear. Catholicism demonized literal prophecy and spiritualized all of it. So many current denominations believe a mix and match version of a figurative Millennium, a post Trin rapture, they believe that we are in the 1000 years, they believe the rapture is the last resurrection. It is a real mess, due to RCC demonic teachings. Just like indulgences, confession booths, nuns, etc, and all other non Biblical nonsense.

This is almost impossible to see for those raised and lost in the RCC, or those raised in Methodist, Church of Christ,etc etc.

Get a King James Bible. Read it and study it. Divide what is for Is--el and what is for the Body of Christ. Study the age of Grace. Keep it all in context.

It is all plain. But the plain sense becomes nonsense when it is all spiritualized. And the only reason to spiritualize it is in order to cause fear, anxiety and to control. Which is what religion does.

Christianity is not religion, it is a person, Jesus Christ. He said, it is finished. Religion has perverted His name and life to a sickening degree.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 80378338


2 thess 2 is a prime example with the flaws of the pretrib doctrine and the belief of imminence.

2 Thess 2 shows that the gathering to Christ cannot happen at anytime like the pre-trib is taught since the falling away and the anti-christ must be revealed first. These are condtions of any rapture being pretrib or posttrib. There is no doctrine of imminence.

Also I do not see any reason why 2 Thess supports a pre-trib. It just as must supports post-trib.

The gathering to Christ from 1 Thess was all about the resurrection which 2 thess furth explains.

Also I do not find anything about Polycarp and pretrib. He does mention that Christ will judge the just and the unjust.


The resurrection of the unjust is the 2nd resurrection. You do not want to be a part of the 2nd resurrection. I do not see where believers in Christ would miss the gathering to Christ. Saints durint the tribulation are believers in Christ along with the 2 witnesses and the 144k. The 2 witness are killed after the tribulation and are resurrection and gathered to Christ(raptured).
 Quoting: Achduke7


Prime example of taking verses out of context. Paul says the Trib cannot begin until the rebellion and the man of lawlessness is revealed. In the next few verses he says that the man of lawlessness cannot be revealed unless the one holding him back is removed, ie the restrainer. This is the Body of Christ.

There are a ton of logical fallacies in pre wrath. Again, if the Thessalonicans believed they missed it, then they had to believe it was imminent and signless, as there was no antichrist revealed at the time they thought they had missed it.

The Bible clearly says the Body of Christ will not go through the wrath of God, and the seven years are plainly God's wrath.

This has been argued to death here and no matter the evidence, just like above, someone says, well, I don't see a pre Trib rapture, regardless of the logical fallacies that a pre or post trib rapture cause.

The important part is to place all our faith in Christ for salvation. That is my final word on it.
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Logical fallacies a pre wrath or post Trib rapture I meant.
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Renounce all false teachings.
Renounce and depart from Babylon.

Biblical timelines of "End Times" are man made.
Powerful men have used mega churches, men like Darby & Hal Lindsey to influence millions.
Using Babylon business formulas in popular ministries - to standardize a set of false timelines. And a false gospel and an "image" to worship. Years of indoctrination convinced many of these manmade corruptions.

Depart from religious Babylon and then, eyes & ears will open. Staying in corrupt teachings is to willingly accept them.

5/g is a frequency. It is here, now.

Lawlessness. Corruption. Inequity.
The mystery of inequity comes into fullness... maximum corruptness and then, things will radically move forward.

When this frequency "speaks" or is "revealed" to the entire world then - those who believe in lies will submit to it.
Scenes depicting this event are in movies.
Being able to overcome this assault is essential.
Divine intervention will be given to those who qualify as worthy. Jesus is the judge who decides who is worthy.

"For if someone comes to you and preaches a Jesus other than the Jesus we preached, or if you receive a different spirit from the Spirit you received, or a different gospel from the one you accepted, you put up with it easily enough".
Cor. 11
Paul writes this to warn of a "different Jesus" and different or modified gospel message that is easily accepted by the majority.
Jesus said, "FEW" will seek the Narrow Way that leads to Life. FEW love Truth and few seek TRUTH.

The mega churches & ministries teach; once you say an abc sinners prayer, you'll always be saved. They are preaching a different gospel. They tell you to pray to a "different Jesus" and most accept that false image as the real One.
It isn't. It's a false religious image.

Paul teaches what Jesus said.
Those preachers who modify what Paul said are exactly what was warned about by both Jesus and Paul.
Both warning of wolves who are preaching manmade religion and false doctrines that were contrived to fool .. the foolish sheep.
The parable of the foolish virgins - they do not have enough oil in their lamps for this event.

This is it.
This 5/g "frequency" is going to separate those who believe in lies and those who love TRUTH.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 79760208


Permit an outsider (I don't particularly follow the NT) to ask a question.

"Paul teaches what Jesus said?"

They never met. How would Paul have known what to teach, if that was his intention?
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Christ met Paul on the road to Damacus. Once Paul was baptized he received the Holy Spirit which taught Paul what to say and what to teach as the Holy Spirit did with all the apostles. That is why their message of God and Christ are all synced.
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No, he did not meet him on the road to Damascus, a spirit spoke to him, he did not talk to him in person
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I'd suggest looking up some of Ken Johnson's work, Bible scholar. He has a youtube channel. He is a Bible scholar and an expert on ancient literature. He specializes in prophecy, he is an expert on the Dead Sea Scrolls.

Polycarp taught pre Trib. Paul did as well. 2 Thessalonians was written because false teachers were going around Thessalonica teaching that the Rapture, the snatching away. had happened and they missed it. Paul replied that the restrainer had to he removed before the man of lawlessness could be revealed, and that they had not missed it. This tells us two thing. The Thessalonian church believe the Rapture was imminent. They also believed it was possible to miss it. Paul had taught them these things and they were questioning him and he responded.

The Body of Christ is restraining evil in the world right now. Once it is gone, the world will grow incredibly dark and evil. A person can miss the Rapture, per Paul, so it is not the final resurrection. That is where God brings every sinner back that ever sinned and went to hell, and every knee shall bow and admit Jesus is Lord. This is at the Great White Throne judgment at the end if Christ's 1000 year Millennial reign.

The catching away of the Body of Christ at the end of the age of grace is clear. Catholicism demonized literal prophecy and spiritualized all of it. So many current denominations believe a mix and match version of a figurative Millennium, a post Trin rapture, they believe that we are in the 1000 years, they believe the rapture is the last resurrection. It is a real mess, due to RCC demonic teachings. Just like indulgences, confession booths, nuns, etc, and all other non Biblical nonsense.

This is almost impossible to see for those raised and lost in the RCC, or those raised in Methodist, Church of Christ,etc etc.

Get a King James Bible. Read it and study it. Divide what is for Is--el and what is for the Body of Christ. Study the age of Grace. Keep it all in context.

It is all plain. But the plain sense becomes nonsense when it is all spiritualized. And the only reason to spiritualize it is in order to cause fear, anxiety and to control. Which is what religion does.

Christianity is not religion, it is a person, Jesus Christ. He said, it is finished. Religion has perverted His name and life to a sickening degree.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 80378338


2 thess 2 is a prime example with the flaws of the pretrib doctrine and the belief of imminence.

2 Thess 2 shows that the gathering to Christ cannot happen at anytime like the pre-trib is taught since the falling away and the anti-christ must be revealed first. These are condtions of any rapture being pretrib or posttrib. There is no doctrine of imminence.

Also I do not see any reason why 2 Thess supports a pre-trib. It just as must supports post-trib.

The gathering to Christ from 1 Thess was all about the resurrection which 2 thess furth explains.

Also I do not find anything about Polycarp and pretrib. He does mention that Christ will judge the just and the unjust.


The resurrection of the unjust is the 2nd resurrection. You do not want to be a part of the 2nd resurrection. I do not see where believers in Christ would miss the gathering to Christ. Saints durint the tribulation are believers in Christ along with the 2 witnesses and the 144k. The 2 witness are killed after the tribulation and are resurrection and gathered to Christ(raptured).
 Quoting: Achduke7


Prime example of taking verses out of context. Paul says the Trib cannot begin until the rebellion and the man of lawlessness is revealed. In the next few verses he says that the man of lawlessness cannot be revealed unless the one holding him back is removed, ie the restrainer. This is the Body of Christ.

There are a ton of logical fallacies in pre wrath. Again, if the Thessalonicans believed they missed it, then they had to believe it was imminent and signless, as there was no antichrist revealed at the time they thought they had missed it.

The Bible clearly says the Body of Christ will not go through the wrath of God, and the seven years are plainly God's wrath.

This has been argued to death here and no matter the evidence, just like above, someone says, well, I don't see a pre Trib rapture, regardless of the logical fallacies that a pre or post trib rapture cause.

The important part is to place all our faith in Christ for salvation. That is my final word on it.
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Logical fallacies a pre wrath or post Trib rapture I meant.
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You are making assumptions with no proof. It says the falling away happens first and nowhere is the church mention as the restrainer. The falling away could very much be what is restraining the AC from fully coming onto the scene. The falling away is mentioned many times throughout the NT.

See 1Tim 4:1, Matt 24, 2Thess 2:3

The Thessalonians did believe they missed it and Paul corrected them. It was not possible because the falling away had not happened yet and the AC had not been revealed so no rapture could have happened yet.

The bible does say God's elect are not destined for wrath but once again God protects his people like He did during Exodus. There was no rapture needed for Exodus.



It sounds like this falling away is a pretty bad thing that turns people against each other. A delusion like no other. Then the man of sin is revealed. Satan behind the curtain.

That sounds very much like something happening at this moment.


Mat 24:10 And then shall many be offended, and shall betray one another, and shall hate one another.
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