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All cause mortality by vax status in england is insane

 
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It is because the unvaccinated group contain all the kids and the vaccinated groups largely don't.

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you're assuming kid death rate is less.

check a mortality table.

i think you will be surprised. from 30 to 55 is
the lowest death rates.
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Not in the UK they're not. The background mortality rates are something like (this is for 2015, mortality per year per 1,000 individuals):
80+ 107.5
75 to 79 33.8
70 to 74 11.8
65-69 7.8
60-64 4.8
55-59 3.9
50-54 3.1
45-49 2
40-44 1.4
35-39 0.9
30-34 0.6
25-29 0.4
20-24 0.4
15-19 0.2
10-14 0.2
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 80793266

Thanks for posting these correct figures. Anyone who thinks that the mortality rate for children is greater than for any group of adults is mistaken.

According to [link to assets.publishing.service.gov.uk (secure)]

around 25 non jabbed people in their 50s in the UK are dying of covid each week. There are about 550,000 unjabbed people in their 50s in the UK (out of nearly 9 million total people in their 50s) according to [link to www.england.nhs.uk (secure)]

So the annualised death rate for unjabbed people in their 50s, from Covid, in the UK is about 2 in 1000. Bear in mind that around 36% of people in their 50s have already been infected according to this [link to www.mrc-bsu.cam.ac.uk (secure)]

and that at the moment 1-2% of people in their 50s are being infected every week.

The data in the post I’ve quoted shows that the annual mortality rate for people in their 50s is 3.5 per thousand. At the minute the mortality rate for all age groups is about 15% higher per week than the five year average.

So 15% of 3.5 per thousand should take it to to around 4 per thousand, not the 5.5 per thousand that you’d get if you added 3.5+2.

This means that covid is killing people in their 50s who are ALMOST EXCLUSIVELY “low-hanging fruit” (yes it is an awful expression, sorry).

Virtually every person in their 50s dying of covid is either obese, has high blood pressure, kidney disease, liver disease or cancer AND/OR acqiured the disease in hospital AND/OR died with, rather than of, Covid.

I’m 51, there are 470,000 51 year old men in the UK. Around 200 have died of covid, mostly before the jabs were rolled out. 90% had serious comorbidities or died from a hospital-acquired infection.

If 25 unjabbed people in their 50s are currently dying of covid weekly in the UK then that means approximately one 51 year old man is dying of covid weekly. Or 50 a year.

So how is it possible that 200 have died in the 80 or so weeks since the pandemic began? At a rate of 2.5 per week?

Something doesn’t add up.

I’m not diminishing SARS cov2 or covid. It is dangerous and long covid is widespread and a horrible tragedy. But my figures prove that for men aged 51 - supposedly an at-risk group - covid is just not very deadly.

So why have the jabs been pushed as a way of preventing death when, unless you’re over 80 and/or very sick or unhealthy, the risk of death is very small?

It’s all very sinister
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So is the fact that 77 and 13 signals get everywhere,like dog shit
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Saying the unvaxxed death rates are lower "because they are the healthier people in society" is an incredibly desperate attempt to spin the figures. That is just nonsense. The majority of the unvaxxed are unvaxxed because they have figured out what is really going on, not because they are "healthier".

And why is it ok to reduce the actual vaxxed death rate figures by not counting the people that drop dead on the spot, immediately after the jab? Or the next day, and the day after that for 21 days? THEY ARE VAXXED and should be classed as vaxxed. Calling them unvaxxed for those 21 days is outright dishonesty, and for one reason only. 21 days worth of deaths and adverse effects removed from one category and added to the other. Such in your face LYING WITH STATISTICS and STILL the figures reveal the true nature of this poison jab product they are desperate to contaminate us with.
Anyone who cannot see the truth now, after 2 years of blatant bullshit, is either a monumental idiot or so consumed by Stockholme Syndrome there is little hope for them.
Anyone who is still pushing the official narrative better realise they are going to have to spend the rest of their lives looking over their shoulders, because one day justice will find them, be it in a court of law, or in a dark alley.
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read my above post, there is something very dubious with the data
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Re: All cause mortality by vax status in england is insane
here s the 60-69 group and it s pattern i described in the previous post.
the pattern is super consistent but how to explain it i'm not really sure




4-Jun-21 Unvaccinated 100 295,044 33.9
11-Jun-21 Unvaccinated 75 291,940 25.7
18-Jun-21 Unvaccinated 89 289,072 30.8
25-Jun-21 Unvaccinated 81 286,381 28.3
2-Jul-21 Unvaccinated 71 283,776 25.0
9-Jul-21 Unvaccinated 88 281,585 31.3
16-Jul-21 Unvaccinated 61 279,739 21.8
23-Jul-21 Unvaccinated 89 278,102 32.0
30-Jul-21 Unvaccinated 89 276,769 32.2
6-Aug-21 Unvaccinated 99 275,641 35.9
13-Aug-21 Unvaccinated 90 274,540 32.8
20-Aug-21 Unvaccinated 74 273,609 27.0
27-Aug-21 Unvaccinated 69 272,682 25.3
3-Sep-21 Unvaccinated 76 272,148 27.9
10-Sep-21 Unvaccinated 90 271,550 33.1
17-Sep-21 Unvaccinated 73 270,878 26.9
24-Sep-21 Unvaccinated 65 270,362 24.0


4-Jun-21 21+ days after 1st 192 320,208 60.0
11-Jun-21 21+ days after 1st 191 179,440 106.4
18-Jun-21 21+ days after 1st 143 123,802 115.5
25-Jun-21 21+ days after 1st 114 100,979 112.9
2-Jul-21 21+ days after 1st 121 89,833 134.7
9-Jul-21 21+ days after 1st 79 83,547 94.6
16-Jul-21 21+ days after 1st 94 78,172 120.2
23-Jul-21 21+ days after 1st 66 74,462 88.6
30-Jul-21 21+ days after 1st 72 71,121 101.2
6-Aug-21 21+ days after 1st 65 68,303 95.2
13-Aug-21 21+ days after 1st 65 66,092 98.3
20-Aug-21 21+ days after 1st 57 64,131 88.9
27-Aug-21 21+ days after 1st 54 62,016 87.1
3-Sep-21 21+ days after 1st 47 61,017 77.0
10-Sep-21 21+ days after 1st 40 59,948 66.7
17-Sep-21 21+ days after 1st 41 58,923 69.6
24-Sep-21 21+ days after 1st 45 57,552 78.2


4-Jun-21 Second dose 466 4,643,404 10.0
11-Jun-21 Second dose 514 4,791,772 10.7
18-Jun-21 Second dose 554 4,853,981 11.4
25-Jun-21 Second dose 572 4,881,587 11.7
2-Jul-21 Second dose 578 4,897,642 11.8
9-Jul-21 Second dose 622 4,908,277 12.7
16-Jul-21 Second dose 619 4,918,511 12.6
23-Jul-21 Second dose 766 4,926,389 15.5
30-Jul-21 Second dose 680 4,933,722 13.8
6-Aug-21 Second dose 671 4,940,429 13.6
13-Aug-21 Second dose 691 4,946,335 14.0
20-Aug-21 Second dose 713 4,951,729 14.4
27-Aug-21 Second dose 665 4,957,086 13.4
3-Sep-21 Second dose 724 4,961,400 14.6
10-Sep-21 Second dose 722 4,965,243 14.5
17-Sep-21 Second dose 744 4,969,499 15.0
24-Sep-21 Second dose 638 4,973,647 12.8
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and these are COVID only deaths for same age group and same period. can you notice a clear pattern looking to both this and the total deaths count?



4-Jun-21 Unvaccinated 6 295,044 2
11-Jun-21 Unvaccinated 5 291,940 1.7
18-Jun-21 Unvaccinated 5 289,072 1.7
25-Jun-21 Unvaccinated 7 286,381 2.4
2-Jul-21 Unvaccinated 6 283,776 2.1
9-Jul-21 Unvaccinated 5 281,585 1.8
16-Jul-21 Unvaccinated 10 279,739 3.6
23-Jul-21 Unvaccinated 21 278,102 7.6
30-Jul-21 Unvaccinated 29 276,769 10.5
6-Aug-21 Unvaccinated 33 275,641 12
13-Aug-21 Unvaccinated 25 274,540 9.1
20-Aug-21 Unvaccinated 27 273,609 9.9
27-Aug-21 Unvaccinated 25 272,682 9.2
3-Sep-21 Unvaccinated 25 272,148 9.2
10-Sep-21 Unvaccinated 29 271,550 10.7
17-Sep-21 Unvaccinated 24 270,878 8.9
24-Sep-21 Unvaccinated 23 270,362 8.5



4-Jun-21 21 days or more after first dose 2 320,208 :
11-Jun-21 21 days or more after first dose 1 179,440 :
18-Jun-21 21 days or more after first dose 2 123,802 :
25-Jun-21 21 days or more after first dose 1 100,979 :
2-Jul-21 21 days or more after first dose 4 89,833 4.5
9-Jul-21 21 days or more after first dose 2 83,547 :
16-Jul-21 21 days or more after first dose 4 78,172 5.1
23-Jul-21 21 days or more after first dose 4 74,462 5.4
30-Jul-21 21 days or more after first dose 4 71,121 5.6
6-Aug-21 21 days or more after first dose 6 68,303 8.8
13-Aug-21 21 days or more after first dose 1 66,092 :
20-Aug-21 21 days or more after first dose 4 64,131 6.2
27-Aug-21 21 days or more after first dose 1 62,016 :
3-Sep-21 21 days or more after first dose 3 61,017 4.9
10-Sep-21 21 days or more after first dose 3 59,948 5
17-Sep-21 21 days or more after first dose 4 58,923 6.8
24-Sep-21 21 days or more after first dose 6 57,552 10.4


4-Jun-21 Second dose 3 4,643,404 0.1
11-Jun-21 Second dose 0 4,791,772 :
18-Jun-21 Second dose 1 4,853,981 :
25-Jun-21 Second dose 6 4,881,587 0.1
2-Jul-21 Second dose 4 4,897,642 0.1
9-Jul-21 Second dose 5 4,908,277 0.1
16-Jul-21 Second dose 16 4,918,511 0.3
23-Jul-21 Second dose 31 4,926,389 0.6
30-Jul-21 Second dose 26 4,933,722 0.5
6-Aug-21 Second dose 34 4,940,429 0.7
13-Aug-21 Second dose 39 4,946,335 0.8
20-Aug-21 Second dose 41 4,951,729 0.8
27-Aug-21 Second dose 43 4,957,086 0.9
3-Sep-21 Second dose 45 4,961,400 0.9
10-Sep-21 Second dose 52 4,965,243 1
17-Sep-21 Second dose 57 4,969,499 1.1
24-Sep-21 Second dose 55 4,973,647 1.1
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Re: All cause mortality by vax status in england is insane
here s the 60-69 group and it s pattern i described in the previous post.
the pattern is super consistent but how to explain it i'm not really sure




4-Jun-21 Unvaccinated 100 295,044 33.9
11-Jun-21 Unvaccinated 75 291,940 25.7
18-Jun-21 Unvaccinated 89 289,072 30.8
25-Jun-21 Unvaccinated 81 286,381 28.3
2-Jul-21 Unvaccinated 71 283,776 25.0
9-Jul-21 Unvaccinated 88 281,585 31.3
16-Jul-21 Unvaccinated 61 279,739 21.8
23-Jul-21 Unvaccinated 89 278,102 32.0
30-Jul-21 Unvaccinated 89 276,769 32.2
6-Aug-21 Unvaccinated 99 275,641 35.9
13-Aug-21 Unvaccinated 90 274,540 32.8
20-Aug-21 Unvaccinated 74 273,609 27.0
27-Aug-21 Unvaccinated 69 272,682 25.3
3-Sep-21 Unvaccinated 76 272,148 27.9
10-Sep-21 Unvaccinated 90 271,550 33.1
17-Sep-21 Unvaccinated 73 270,878 26.9
24-Sep-21 Unvaccinated 65 270,362 24.0


4-Jun-21 21+ days after 1st 192 320,208 60.0
11-Jun-21 21+ days after 1st 191 179,440 106.4
18-Jun-21 21+ days after 1st 143 123,802 115.5
25-Jun-21 21+ days after 1st 114 100,979 112.9
2-Jul-21 21+ days after 1st 121 89,833 134.7
9-Jul-21 21+ days after 1st 79 83,547 94.6
16-Jul-21 21+ days after 1st 94 78,172 120.2
23-Jul-21 21+ days after 1st 66 74,462 88.6
30-Jul-21 21+ days after 1st 72 71,121 101.2
6-Aug-21 21+ days after 1st 65 68,303 95.2
13-Aug-21 21+ days after 1st 65 66,092 98.3
20-Aug-21 21+ days after 1st 57 64,131 88.9
27-Aug-21 21+ days after 1st 54 62,016 87.1
3-Sep-21 21+ days after 1st 47 61,017 77.0
10-Sep-21 21+ days after 1st 40 59,948 66.7
17-Sep-21 21+ days after 1st 41 58,923 69.6
24-Sep-21 21+ days after 1st 45 57,552 78.2


4-Jun-21 Second dose 466 4,643,404 10.0
11-Jun-21 Second dose 514 4,791,772 10.7
18-Jun-21 Second dose 554 4,853,981 11.4
25-Jun-21 Second dose 572 4,881,587 11.7
2-Jul-21 Second dose 578 4,897,642 11.8
9-Jul-21 Second dose 622 4,908,277 12.7
16-Jul-21 Second dose 619 4,918,511 12.6
23-Jul-21 Second dose 766 4,926,389 15.5
30-Jul-21 Second dose 680 4,933,722 13.8
6-Aug-21 Second dose 671 4,940,429 13.6
13-Aug-21 Second dose 691 4,946,335 14.0
20-Aug-21 Second dose 713 4,951,729 14.4
27-Aug-21 Second dose 665 4,957,086 13.4
3-Sep-21 Second dose 724 4,961,400 14.6
10-Sep-21 Second dose 722 4,965,243 14.5
17-Sep-21 Second dose 744 4,969,499 15.0
24-Sep-21 Second dose 638 4,973,647 12.8
 Quoting: VenusRose



there are 4 death mechanisms, each with its own
behavior curve...

[link to broward.ghost.io (secure)]

1 allergic reaction which the 21 days count.
2 ADE which probably mimics covid curve
3 microclots which is prob highly correlated to each jab
4 immune failures long-term, slow rising curve
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Re: All cause mortality by vax status in england is insane
here s the 60-69 group and it s pattern i described in the previous post.
the pattern is super consistent but how to explain it i'm not really sure




4-Jun-21 Unvaccinated 100 295,044 33.9
11-Jun-21 Unvaccinated 75 291,940 25.7
18-Jun-21 Unvaccinated 89 289,072 30.8
25-Jun-21 Unvaccinated 81 286,381 28.3
2-Jul-21 Unvaccinated 71 283,776 25.0
9-Jul-21 Unvaccinated 88 281,585 31.3
16-Jul-21 Unvaccinated 61 279,739 21.8
23-Jul-21 Unvaccinated 89 278,102 32.0
30-Jul-21 Unvaccinated 89 276,769 32.2
6-Aug-21 Unvaccinated 99 275,641 35.9
13-Aug-21 Unvaccinated 90 274,540 32.8
20-Aug-21 Unvaccinated 74 273,609 27.0
27-Aug-21 Unvaccinated 69 272,682 25.3
3-Sep-21 Unvaccinated 76 272,148 27.9
10-Sep-21 Unvaccinated 90 271,550 33.1
17-Sep-21 Unvaccinated 73 270,878 26.9
24-Sep-21 Unvaccinated 65 270,362 24.0


4-Jun-21 21+ days after 1st 192 320,208 60.0
11-Jun-21 21+ days after 1st 191 179,440 106.4
18-Jun-21 21+ days after 1st 143 123,802 115.5
25-Jun-21 21+ days after 1st 114 100,979 112.9
2-Jul-21 21+ days after 1st 121 89,833 134.7
9-Jul-21 21+ days after 1st 79 83,547 94.6
16-Jul-21 21+ days after 1st 94 78,172 120.2
23-Jul-21 21+ days after 1st 66 74,462 88.6
30-Jul-21 21+ days after 1st 72 71,121 101.2
6-Aug-21 21+ days after 1st 65 68,303 95.2
13-Aug-21 21+ days after 1st 65 66,092 98.3
20-Aug-21 21+ days after 1st 57 64,131 88.9
27-Aug-21 21+ days after 1st 54 62,016 87.1
3-Sep-21 21+ days after 1st 47 61,017 77.0
10-Sep-21 21+ days after 1st 40 59,948 66.7
17-Sep-21 21+ days after 1st 41 58,923 69.6
24-Sep-21 21+ days after 1st 45 57,552 78.2


4-Jun-21 Second dose 466 4,643,404 10.0
11-Jun-21 Second dose 514 4,791,772 10.7
18-Jun-21 Second dose 554 4,853,981 11.4
25-Jun-21 Second dose 572 4,881,587 11.7
2-Jul-21 Second dose 578 4,897,642 11.8
9-Jul-21 Second dose 622 4,908,277 12.7
16-Jul-21 Second dose 619 4,918,511 12.6
23-Jul-21 Second dose 766 4,926,389 15.5
30-Jul-21 Second dose 680 4,933,722 13.8
6-Aug-21 Second dose 671 4,940,429 13.6
13-Aug-21 Second dose 691 4,946,335 14.0
20-Aug-21 Second dose 713 4,951,729 14.4
27-Aug-21 Second dose 665 4,957,086 13.4
3-Sep-21 Second dose 724 4,961,400 14.6
10-Sep-21 Second dose 722 4,965,243 14.5
17-Sep-21 Second dose 744 4,969,499 15.0
24-Sep-21 Second dose 638 4,973,647 12.8
 Quoting: VenusRose


Don't suppose you can add in the same for jabbed up to 21 days please?
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Re: All cause mortality by vax status in england is insane
here s the 60-69 group and it s pattern i described in the previous post.
the pattern is super consistent but how to explain it i'm not really sure




4-Jun-21 Unvaccinated 100 295,044 33.9
11-Jun-21 Unvaccinated 75 291,940 25.7
18-Jun-21 Unvaccinated 89 289,072 30.8
25-Jun-21 Unvaccinated 81 286,381 28.3
2-Jul-21 Unvaccinated 71 283,776 25.0
9-Jul-21 Unvaccinated 88 281,585 31.3
16-Jul-21 Unvaccinated 61 279,739 21.8
23-Jul-21 Unvaccinated 89 278,102 32.0
30-Jul-21 Unvaccinated 89 276,769 32.2
6-Aug-21 Unvaccinated 99 275,641 35.9
13-Aug-21 Unvaccinated 90 274,540 32.8
20-Aug-21 Unvaccinated 74 273,609 27.0
27-Aug-21 Unvaccinated 69 272,682 25.3
3-Sep-21 Unvaccinated 76 272,148 27.9
10-Sep-21 Unvaccinated 90 271,550 33.1
17-Sep-21 Unvaccinated 73 270,878 26.9
24-Sep-21 Unvaccinated 65 270,362 24.0


4-Jun-21 21+ days after 1st 192 320,208 60.0
11-Jun-21 21+ days after 1st 191 179,440 106.4
18-Jun-21 21+ days after 1st 143 123,802 115.5
25-Jun-21 21+ days after 1st 114 100,979 112.9
2-Jul-21 21+ days after 1st 121 89,833 134.7
9-Jul-21 21+ days after 1st 79 83,547 94.6
16-Jul-21 21+ days after 1st 94 78,172 120.2
23-Jul-21 21+ days after 1st 66 74,462 88.6
30-Jul-21 21+ days after 1st 72 71,121 101.2
6-Aug-21 21+ days after 1st 65 68,303 95.2
13-Aug-21 21+ days after 1st 65 66,092 98.3
20-Aug-21 21+ days after 1st 57 64,131 88.9
27-Aug-21 21+ days after 1st 54 62,016 87.1
3-Sep-21 21+ days after 1st 47 61,017 77.0
10-Sep-21 21+ days after 1st 40 59,948 66.7
17-Sep-21 21+ days after 1st 41 58,923 69.6
24-Sep-21 21+ days after 1st 45 57,552 78.2


4-Jun-21 Second dose 466 4,643,404 10.0
11-Jun-21 Second dose 514 4,791,772 10.7
18-Jun-21 Second dose 554 4,853,981 11.4
25-Jun-21 Second dose 572 4,881,587 11.7
2-Jul-21 Second dose 578 4,897,642 11.8
9-Jul-21 Second dose 622 4,908,277 12.7
16-Jul-21 Second dose 619 4,918,511 12.6
23-Jul-21 Second dose 766 4,926,389 15.5
30-Jul-21 Second dose 680 4,933,722 13.8
6-Aug-21 Second dose 671 4,940,429 13.6
13-Aug-21 Second dose 691 4,946,335 14.0
20-Aug-21 Second dose 713 4,951,729 14.4
27-Aug-21 Second dose 665 4,957,086 13.4
3-Sep-21 Second dose 724 4,961,400 14.6
10-Sep-21 Second dose 722 4,965,243 14.5
17-Sep-21 Second dose 744 4,969,499 15.0
24-Sep-21 Second dose 638 4,973,647 12.8
 Quoting: VenusRose



there are 4 death mechanisms, each with its own
behavior curve...

[link to broward.ghost.io (secure)]

1 allergic reaction which the 21 days count.
2 ADE which probably mimics covid curve
3 microclots which is prob highly correlated to each jab
4 immune failures long-term, slow rising curve
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yea but looking at both all death and covid only death tables (posted the 2nd in next post)

really feels like the data is manipulated, or the tests

check the 21+ days groups, they have almost 0 covid deaths

but they have 100 deaths per 100k

in the meantime for unvaxxed about 1/3rd of the 30 deaths per 100k are attributed to covid

while for 2 doses, less than 10% deaths are attributed to covid


and the same pattern holds for each of the groups week after week

this really does feel like manipulated data
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Big picture for all age groups combined, if you’ve had at least one shot, you are about 50% more likely to die from all causes than if you haven’t had the shot.

Look at table 8.

Number of deaths
Population-years
Age-standardised mortality rate per 100,000 person-years
Lower confidence limit
Upper confidence limit
Unvaccinated 34,474 12,417,771 849.7 840.3 859.2 92,711 12417​771 2187.1 2172.2 2202.0
Received only the first dose, less than 21 days ago 3,880 1,768,057 192.4 182.4 202.4 16,634 1768057 811.9 79​3.4 830.4
Received only the first dose, at least 21 days ago 6,663 4,422,359 105.3 102.8 107.8 69,672 4422359 1124.3 1​115.9 1132.7
Received the second dose, less than 21 days ago 171 1,685,411 7.2 6.1 8.2 10850 1685411 464.6 455.8 473.4​
Received the second dose, at least 21 days ago 4,308 8,433,794 26.2 25.4 27.1 132825 8433794 783.6 779.1​ 788

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Re: All cause mortality by vax status in england is insane
here s the 60-69 group and it s pattern i described in the previous post.
the pattern is super consistent but how to explain it i'm not really sure




4-Jun-21 Unvaccinated 100 295,044 33.9
11-Jun-21 Unvaccinated 75 291,940 25.7
18-Jun-21 Unvaccinated 89 289,072 30.8
25-Jun-21 Unvaccinated 81 286,381 28.3
2-Jul-21 Unvaccinated 71 283,776 25.0
9-Jul-21 Unvaccinated 88 281,585 31.3
16-Jul-21 Unvaccinated 61 279,739 21.8
23-Jul-21 Unvaccinated 89 278,102 32.0
30-Jul-21 Unvaccinated 89 276,769 32.2
6-Aug-21 Unvaccinated 99 275,641 35.9
13-Aug-21 Unvaccinated 90 274,540 32.8
20-Aug-21 Unvaccinated 74 273,609 27.0
27-Aug-21 Unvaccinated 69 272,682 25.3
3-Sep-21 Unvaccinated 76 272,148 27.9
10-Sep-21 Unvaccinated 90 271,550 33.1
17-Sep-21 Unvaccinated 73 270,878 26.9
24-Sep-21 Unvaccinated 65 270,362 24.0


4-Jun-21 21+ days after 1st 192 320,208 60.0
11-Jun-21 21+ days after 1st 191 179,440 106.4
18-Jun-21 21+ days after 1st 143 123,802 115.5
25-Jun-21 21+ days after 1st 114 100,979 112.9
2-Jul-21 21+ days after 1st 121 89,833 134.7
9-Jul-21 21+ days after 1st 79 83,547 94.6
16-Jul-21 21+ days after 1st 94 78,172 120.2
23-Jul-21 21+ days after 1st 66 74,462 88.6
30-Jul-21 21+ days after 1st 72 71,121 101.2
6-Aug-21 21+ days after 1st 65 68,303 95.2
13-Aug-21 21+ days after 1st 65 66,092 98.3
20-Aug-21 21+ days after 1st 57 64,131 88.9
27-Aug-21 21+ days after 1st 54 62,016 87.1
3-Sep-21 21+ days after 1st 47 61,017 77.0
10-Sep-21 21+ days after 1st 40 59,948 66.7
17-Sep-21 21+ days after 1st 41 58,923 69.6
24-Sep-21 21+ days after 1st 45 57,552 78.2


4-Jun-21 Second dose 466 4,643,404 10.0
11-Jun-21 Second dose 514 4,791,772 10.7
18-Jun-21 Second dose 554 4,853,981 11.4
25-Jun-21 Second dose 572 4,881,587 11.7
2-Jul-21 Second dose 578 4,897,642 11.8
9-Jul-21 Second dose 622 4,908,277 12.7
16-Jul-21 Second dose 619 4,918,511 12.6
23-Jul-21 Second dose 766 4,926,389 15.5
30-Jul-21 Second dose 680 4,933,722 13.8
6-Aug-21 Second dose 671 4,940,429 13.6
13-Aug-21 Second dose 691 4,946,335 14.0
20-Aug-21 Second dose 713 4,951,729 14.4
27-Aug-21 Second dose 665 4,957,086 13.4
3-Sep-21 Second dose 724 4,961,400 14.6
10-Sep-21 Second dose 722 4,965,243 14.5
17-Sep-21 Second dose 744 4,969,499 15.0
24-Sep-21 Second dose 638 4,973,647 12.8
 Quoting: VenusRose



there are 4 death mechanisms, each with its own
behavior curve...

[link to broward.ghost.io (secure)]

1 allergic reaction which the 21 days count.
2 ADE which probably mimics covid curve
3 microclots which is prob highly correlated to each jab
4 immune failures long-term, slow rising curve
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 78227225


yea but looking at both all death and covid only death tables (posted the 2nd in next post)

really feels like the data is manipulated, or the tests

check the 21+ days groups, they have almost 0 covid deaths

but they have 100 deaths per 100k

in the meantime for unvaxxed about 1/3rd of the 30 deaths per 100k are attributed to covid

while for 2 doses, less than 10% deaths are attributed to covid


and the same pattern holds for each of the groups week after week

this really does feel like manipulated data
 Quoting: VenusRose


i wouldnt be surprised but they probably try to keep
it within a shape that isnt blatantly obvious.

im pretty sure Twitter rigged their earnings in 1st
quarter and used this quarter to rebalance so the
net yearly numbers look okay.
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here s the 60-69 group and it s pattern i described in the previous post.
the pattern is super consistent but how to explain it i'm not really sure




4-Jun-21 Unvaccinated 100 295,044 33.9
11-Jun-21 Unvaccinated 75 291,940 25.7
18-Jun-21 Unvaccinated 89 289,072 30.8
25-Jun-21 Unvaccinated 81 286,381 28.3
2-Jul-21 Unvaccinated 71 283,776 25.0
9-Jul-21 Unvaccinated 88 281,585 31.3
16-Jul-21 Unvaccinated 61 279,739 21.8
23-Jul-21 Unvaccinated 89 278,102 32.0
30-Jul-21 Unvaccinated 89 276,769 32.2
6-Aug-21 Unvaccinated 99 275,641 35.9
13-Aug-21 Unvaccinated 90 274,540 32.8
20-Aug-21 Unvaccinated 74 273,609 27.0
27-Aug-21 Unvaccinated 69 272,682 25.3
3-Sep-21 Unvaccinated 76 272,148 27.9
10-Sep-21 Unvaccinated 90 271,550 33.1
17-Sep-21 Unvaccinated 73 270,878 26.9
24-Sep-21 Unvaccinated 65 270,362 24.0


4-Jun-21 21+ days after 1st 192 320,208 60.0
11-Jun-21 21+ days after 1st 191 179,440 106.4
18-Jun-21 21+ days after 1st 143 123,802 115.5
25-Jun-21 21+ days after 1st 114 100,979 112.9
2-Jul-21 21+ days after 1st 121 89,833 134.7
9-Jul-21 21+ days after 1st 79 83,547 94.6
16-Jul-21 21+ days after 1st 94 78,172 120.2
23-Jul-21 21+ days after 1st 66 74,462 88.6
30-Jul-21 21+ days after 1st 72 71,121 101.2
6-Aug-21 21+ days after 1st 65 68,303 95.2
13-Aug-21 21+ days after 1st 65 66,092 98.3
20-Aug-21 21+ days after 1st 57 64,131 88.9
27-Aug-21 21+ days after 1st 54 62,016 87.1
3-Sep-21 21+ days after 1st 47 61,017 77.0
10-Sep-21 21+ days after 1st 40 59,948 66.7
17-Sep-21 21+ days after 1st 41 58,923 69.6
24-Sep-21 21+ days after 1st 45 57,552 78.2


4-Jun-21 Second dose 466 4,643,404 10.0
11-Jun-21 Second dose 514 4,791,772 10.7
18-Jun-21 Second dose 554 4,853,981 11.4
25-Jun-21 Second dose 572 4,881,587 11.7
2-Jul-21 Second dose 578 4,897,642 11.8
9-Jul-21 Second dose 622 4,908,277 12.7
16-Jul-21 Second dose 619 4,918,511 12.6
23-Jul-21 Second dose 766 4,926,389 15.5
30-Jul-21 Second dose 680 4,933,722 13.8
6-Aug-21 Second dose 671 4,940,429 13.6
13-Aug-21 Second dose 691 4,946,335 14.0
20-Aug-21 Second dose 713 4,951,729 14.4
27-Aug-21 Second dose 665 4,957,086 13.4
3-Sep-21 Second dose 724 4,961,400 14.6
10-Sep-21 Second dose 722 4,965,243 14.5
17-Sep-21 Second dose 744 4,969,499 15.0
24-Sep-21 Second dose 638 4,973,647 12.8
 Quoting: VenusRose


Don't suppose you can add in the same for jabbed up to 21 days please?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 77064362


that is probably the most manipulated because it has virtually 0 deaths :) to 'prove' no direct deaths by the jab

but here you go the covid deaths for first 21 deaths

4-Jun-21 Within 21 days of first dose 0 13,905 :
11-Jun-21 Within 21 days of first dose 0 11,158 :
18-Jun-21 Within 21 days of first dose 0 9,240 :
25-Jun-21 Within 21 days of first dose 0 8,940 :
2-Jul-21 Within 21 days of first dose 0 8,492 :
9-Jul-21 Within 21 days of first dose 0 7,809 :
16-Jul-21 Within 21 days of first dose 0 7,092 :
23-Jul-21 Within 21 days of first dose 1 6,250 :
30-Jul-21 Within 21 days of first dose 0 5,457 :
6-Aug-21 Within 21 days of first dose 0 4,759 :
13-Aug-21 Within 21 days of first dose 1 4,236 :
20-Aug-21 Within 21 days of first dose 1 3,874 :
27-Aug-21 Within 21 days of first dose 0 3,639 :
3-Sep-21 Within 21 days of first dose 0 3,096 :
10-Sep-21 Within 21 days of first dose 0 2,814 :
17-Sep-21 Within 21 days of first dose 0 2,559 :
24-Sep-21 Within 21 days of first dose 0 2,553 :



and total deaths

4-Jun-21 Within 21 days of first dose 0 13,905 :
11-Jun-21 Within 21 days of first dose 2 11,158 :
18-Jun-21 Within 21 days of first dose 3 9,240 32.5
25-Jun-21 Within 21 days of first dose 2 8,940 :
2-Jul-21 Within 21 days of first dose 2 8,492 :
9-Jul-21 Within 21 days of first dose 1 7,809 :
16-Jul-21 Within 21 days of first dose 0 7,092 :
23-Jul-21 Within 21 days of first dose 3 6,250 48.0
30-Jul-21 Within 21 days of first dose 0 5,457 :
6-Aug-21 Within 21 days of first dose 1 4,759 :
13-Aug-21 Within 21 days of first dose 3 4,236 70.8
20-Aug-21 Within 21 days of first dose 1 3,874 :
27-Aug-21 Within 21 days of first dose 0 3,639 :
3-Sep-21 Within 21 days of first dose 0 3,096 :
10-Sep-21 Within 21 days of first dose 0 2,814 :
17-Sep-21 Within 21 days of first dose 2 2,559 :
24-Sep-21 Within 21 days of first dose 1 2,553 :


do keep in mind that in this group we re dealing with just a group of few thousand people though
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here s the 60-69 group and it s pattern i described in the previous post.
the pattern is super consistent but how to explain it i'm not really sure




4-Jun-21 Unvaccinated 100 295,044 33.9
11-Jun-21 Unvaccinated 75 291,940 25.7
18-Jun-21 Unvaccinated 89 289,072 30.8
25-Jun-21 Unvaccinated 81 286,381 28.3
2-Jul-21 Unvaccinated 71 283,776 25.0
9-Jul-21 Unvaccinated 88 281,585 31.3
16-Jul-21 Unvaccinated 61 279,739 21.8
23-Jul-21 Unvaccinated 89 278,102 32.0
30-Jul-21 Unvaccinated 89 276,769 32.2
6-Aug-21 Unvaccinated 99 275,641 35.9
13-Aug-21 Unvaccinated 90 274,540 32.8
20-Aug-21 Unvaccinated 74 273,609 27.0
27-Aug-21 Unvaccinated 69 272,682 25.3
3-Sep-21 Unvaccinated 76 272,148 27.9
10-Sep-21 Unvaccinated 90 271,550 33.1
17-Sep-21 Unvaccinated 73 270,878 26.9
24-Sep-21 Unvaccinated 65 270,362 24.0


4-Jun-21 21+ days after 1st 192 320,208 60.0
11-Jun-21 21+ days after 1st 191 179,440 106.4
18-Jun-21 21+ days after 1st 143 123,802 115.5
25-Jun-21 21+ days after 1st 114 100,979 112.9
2-Jul-21 21+ days after 1st 121 89,833 134.7
9-Jul-21 21+ days after 1st 79 83,547 94.6
16-Jul-21 21+ days after 1st 94 78,172 120.2
23-Jul-21 21+ days after 1st 66 74,462 88.6
30-Jul-21 21+ days after 1st 72 71,121 101.2
6-Aug-21 21+ days after 1st 65 68,303 95.2
13-Aug-21 21+ days after 1st 65 66,092 98.3
20-Aug-21 21+ days after 1st 57 64,131 88.9
27-Aug-21 21+ days after 1st 54 62,016 87.1
3-Sep-21 21+ days after 1st 47 61,017 77.0
10-Sep-21 21+ days after 1st 40 59,948 66.7
17-Sep-21 21+ days after 1st 41 58,923 69.6
24-Sep-21 21+ days after 1st 45 57,552 78.2


4-Jun-21 Second dose 466 4,643,404 10.0
11-Jun-21 Second dose 514 4,791,772 10.7
18-Jun-21 Second dose 554 4,853,981 11.4
25-Jun-21 Second dose 572 4,881,587 11.7
2-Jul-21 Second dose 578 4,897,642 11.8
9-Jul-21 Second dose 622 4,908,277 12.7
16-Jul-21 Second dose 619 4,918,511 12.6
23-Jul-21 Second dose 766 4,926,389 15.5
30-Jul-21 Second dose 680 4,933,722 13.8
6-Aug-21 Second dose 671 4,940,429 13.6
13-Aug-21 Second dose 691 4,946,335 14.0
20-Aug-21 Second dose 713 4,951,729 14.4
27-Aug-21 Second dose 665 4,957,086 13.4
3-Sep-21 Second dose 724 4,961,400 14.6
10-Sep-21 Second dose 722 4,965,243 14.5
17-Sep-21 Second dose 744 4,969,499 15.0
24-Sep-21 Second dose 638 4,973,647 12.8
 Quoting: VenusRose



there are 4 death mechanisms, each with its own
behavior curve...

[link to broward.ghost.io (secure)]

1 allergic reaction which the 21 days count.
2 ADE which probably mimics covid curve
3 microclots which is prob highly correlated to each jab
4 immune failures long-term, slow rising curve
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 78227225


yea but looking at both all death and covid only death tables (posted the 2nd in next post)

really feels like the data is manipulated, or the tests

check the 21+ days groups, they have almost 0 covid deaths

but they have 100 deaths per 100k

in the meantime for unvaxxed about 1/3rd of the 30 deaths per 100k are attributed to covid

while for 2 doses, less than 10% deaths are attributed to covid


and the same pattern holds for each of the groups week after week

this really does feel like manipulated data
 Quoting: VenusRose


i wouldnt be surprised but they probably try to keep
it within a shape that isnt blatantly obvious.

im pretty sure Twitter rigged their earnings in 1st
quarter and used this quarter to rebalance so the
net yearly numbers look okay.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 78227225


yea thing is in every group it s the same rate week by week but very different across groups, so it's fishy

no one dies from covid after 1st dose, but instead they die 3 times more than unvaxxed from 'other causes'

while for unvaxxed 1/3rd dies of covid and 2/3rd die of other causes
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here s the 60-69 group and it s pattern i described in the previous post.
the pattern is super consistent but how to explain it i'm not really sure




4-Jun-21 Unvaccinated 100 295,044 33.9
11-Jun-21 Unvaccinated 75 291,940 25.7
18-Jun-21 Unvaccinated 89 289,072 30.8
25-Jun-21 Unvaccinated 81 286,381 28.3
2-Jul-21 Unvaccinated 71 283,776 25.0
9-Jul-21 Unvaccinated 88 281,585 31.3
16-Jul-21 Unvaccinated 61 279,739 21.8
23-Jul-21 Unvaccinated 89 278,102 32.0
30-Jul-21 Unvaccinated 89 276,769 32.2
6-Aug-21 Unvaccinated 99 275,641 35.9
13-Aug-21 Unvaccinated 90 274,540 32.8
20-Aug-21 Unvaccinated 74 273,609 27.0
27-Aug-21 Unvaccinated 69 272,682 25.3
3-Sep-21 Unvaccinated 76 272,148 27.9
10-Sep-21 Unvaccinated 90 271,550 33.1
17-Sep-21 Unvaccinated 73 270,878 26.9
24-Sep-21 Unvaccinated 65 270,362 24.0


4-Jun-21 21+ days after 1st 192 320,208 60.0
11-Jun-21 21+ days after 1st 191 179,440 106.4
18-Jun-21 21+ days after 1st 143 123,802 115.5
25-Jun-21 21+ days after 1st 114 100,979 112.9
2-Jul-21 21+ days after 1st 121 89,833 134.7
9-Jul-21 21+ days after 1st 79 83,547 94.6
16-Jul-21 21+ days after 1st 94 78,172 120.2
23-Jul-21 21+ days after 1st 66 74,462 88.6
30-Jul-21 21+ days after 1st 72 71,121 101.2
6-Aug-21 21+ days after 1st 65 68,303 95.2
13-Aug-21 21+ days after 1st 65 66,092 98.3
20-Aug-21 21+ days after 1st 57 64,131 88.9
27-Aug-21 21+ days after 1st 54 62,016 87.1
3-Sep-21 21+ days after 1st 47 61,017 77.0
10-Sep-21 21+ days after 1st 40 59,948 66.7
17-Sep-21 21+ days after 1st 41 58,923 69.6
24-Sep-21 21+ days after 1st 45 57,552 78.2


4-Jun-21 Second dose 466 4,643,404 10.0
11-Jun-21 Second dose 514 4,791,772 10.7
18-Jun-21 Second dose 554 4,853,981 11.4
25-Jun-21 Second dose 572 4,881,587 11.7
2-Jul-21 Second dose 578 4,897,642 11.8
9-Jul-21 Second dose 622 4,908,277 12.7
16-Jul-21 Second dose 619 4,918,511 12.6
23-Jul-21 Second dose 766 4,926,389 15.5
30-Jul-21 Second dose 680 4,933,722 13.8
6-Aug-21 Second dose 671 4,940,429 13.6
13-Aug-21 Second dose 691 4,946,335 14.0
20-Aug-21 Second dose 713 4,951,729 14.4
27-Aug-21 Second dose 665 4,957,086 13.4
3-Sep-21 Second dose 724 4,961,400 14.6
10-Sep-21 Second dose 722 4,965,243 14.5
17-Sep-21 Second dose 744 4,969,499 15.0
24-Sep-21 Second dose 638 4,973,647 12.8
 Quoting: VenusRose



there are 4 death mechanisms, each with its own
behavior curve...

[link to broward.ghost.io (secure)]

1 allergic reaction which the 21 days count.
2 ADE which probably mimics covid curve
3 microclots which is prob highly correlated to each jab
4 immune failures long-term, slow rising curve
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 78227225


yea but looking at both all death and covid only death tables (posted the 2nd in next post)

really feels like the data is manipulated, or the tests

check the 21+ days groups, they have almost 0 covid deaths

but they have 100 deaths per 100k

in the meantime for unvaxxed about 1/3rd of the 30 deaths per 100k are attributed to covid

while for 2 doses, less than 10% deaths are attributed to covid


and the same pattern holds for each of the groups week after week

this really does feel like manipulated data
 Quoting: VenusRose


Different cycle pcr tests being used for jabbed and non jabbed?
Jabs causing disease and death and not be called covid?
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Big picture for all age groups combined, if you’ve had at least one shot, you are about 50% more likely to die from all causes than if you haven’t had the shot.

Look at table 8.

Number of deaths
Population-years
Age-standardised mortality rate per 100,000 person-years
Lower confidence limit
Upper confidence limit
Unvaccinated 34,474 12,417,771 849.7 840.3 859.2 92,711 12417​771 2187.1 2172.2 2202.0
Received only the first dose, less than 21 days ago 3,880 1,768,057 192.4 182.4 202.4 16,634 1768057 811.9 79​3.4 830.4
Received only the first dose, at least 21 days ago 6,663 4,422,359 105.3 102.8 107.8 69,672 4422359 1124.3 1​115.9 1132.7
Received the second dose, less than 21 days ago 171 1,685,411 7.2 6.1 8.2 10850 1685411 464.6 455.8 473.4​
Received the second dose, at least 21 days ago 4,308 8,433,794 26.2 25.4 27.1 132825 8433794 783.6 779.1​ 788
 Quoting: N3M3S1S F$CKIT


that s a good points so combining all vaxxed in just one group:

unvaxxed:
attributed to covid 34,474 deaths
all deaths 92,711 deaths

population years 12,417,771 years


vaxxed:
attibuted to covid 15,022 deaths
all deaths 229,981 deaths

population years 16,309,621 years

keep in minf that in this table they don t give population numbers but use sum of age of the persons and get that figure of population years


so what u actually get by combining the vaxxed groups,

only 33% more years in the vaxxed group (16 mln to 12 mln)

248% more deaths in the vaxxed group
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here s the 60-69 group and it s pattern i described in the previous post.
the pattern is super consistent but how to explain it i'm not really sure




4-Jun-21 Unvaccinated 100 295,044 33.9
11-Jun-21 Unvaccinated 75 291,940 25.7
18-Jun-21 Unvaccinated 89 289,072 30.8
25-Jun-21 Unvaccinated 81 286,381 28.3
2-Jul-21 Unvaccinated 71 283,776 25.0
9-Jul-21 Unvaccinated 88 281,585 31.3
16-Jul-21 Unvaccinated 61 279,739 21.8
23-Jul-21 Unvaccinated 89 278,102 32.0
30-Jul-21 Unvaccinated 89 276,769 32.2
6-Aug-21 Unvaccinated 99 275,641 35.9
13-Aug-21 Unvaccinated 90 274,540 32.8
20-Aug-21 Unvaccinated 74 273,609 27.0
27-Aug-21 Unvaccinated 69 272,682 25.3
3-Sep-21 Unvaccinated 76 272,148 27.9
10-Sep-21 Unvaccinated 90 271,550 33.1
17-Sep-21 Unvaccinated 73 270,878 26.9
24-Sep-21 Unvaccinated 65 270,362 24.0


4-Jun-21 21+ days after 1st 192 320,208 60.0
11-Jun-21 21+ days after 1st 191 179,440 106.4
18-Jun-21 21+ days after 1st 143 123,802 115.5
25-Jun-21 21+ days after 1st 114 100,979 112.9
2-Jul-21 21+ days after 1st 121 89,833 134.7
9-Jul-21 21+ days after 1st 79 83,547 94.6
16-Jul-21 21+ days after 1st 94 78,172 120.2
23-Jul-21 21+ days after 1st 66 74,462 88.6
30-Jul-21 21+ days after 1st 72 71,121 101.2
6-Aug-21 21+ days after 1st 65 68,303 95.2
13-Aug-21 21+ days after 1st 65 66,092 98.3
20-Aug-21 21+ days after 1st 57 64,131 88.9
27-Aug-21 21+ days after 1st 54 62,016 87.1
3-Sep-21 21+ days after 1st 47 61,017 77.0
10-Sep-21 21+ days after 1st 40 59,948 66.7
17-Sep-21 21+ days after 1st 41 58,923 69.6
24-Sep-21 21+ days after 1st 45 57,552 78.2


4-Jun-21 Second dose 466 4,643,404 10.0
11-Jun-21 Second dose 514 4,791,772 10.7
18-Jun-21 Second dose 554 4,853,981 11.4
25-Jun-21 Second dose 572 4,881,587 11.7
2-Jul-21 Second dose 578 4,897,642 11.8
9-Jul-21 Second dose 622 4,908,277 12.7
16-Jul-21 Second dose 619 4,918,511 12.6
23-Jul-21 Second dose 766 4,926,389 15.5
30-Jul-21 Second dose 680 4,933,722 13.8
6-Aug-21 Second dose 671 4,940,429 13.6
13-Aug-21 Second dose 691 4,946,335 14.0
20-Aug-21 Second dose 713 4,951,729 14.4
27-Aug-21 Second dose 665 4,957,086 13.4
3-Sep-21 Second dose 724 4,961,400 14.6
10-Sep-21 Second dose 722 4,965,243 14.5
17-Sep-21 Second dose 744 4,969,499 15.0
24-Sep-21 Second dose 638 4,973,647 12.8
 Quoting: VenusRose



there are 4 death mechanisms, each with its own
behavior curve...

[link to broward.ghost.io (secure)]

1 allergic reaction which the 21 days count.
2 ADE which probably mimics covid curve
3 microclots which is prob highly correlated to each jab
4 immune failures long-term, slow rising curve
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 78227225


yea but looking at both all death and covid only death tables (posted the 2nd in next post)

really feels like the data is manipulated, or the tests

check the 21+ days groups, they have almost 0 covid deaths

but they have 100 deaths per 100k

in the meantime for unvaxxed about 1/3rd of the 30 deaths per 100k are attributed to covid

while for 2 doses, less than 10% deaths are attributed to covid


and the same pattern holds for each of the groups week after week

this really does feel like manipulated data
 Quoting: VenusRose


Different cycle pcr tests being used for jabbed and non jabbed?
Jabs causing disease and death and not be called covid?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 77064362


regarding pcr and manipulating results is much more simple to manipulate it from the centralized server to which all of the pcr devices have to be connected

when u go to get a pcr test you will provide your id
and that id is already present in the database with the vax status
so the software will just return results according to what they set it in a certain period
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and these are COVID only deaths for same age group and same period. can you notice a clear pattern looking to both this and the total deaths count?



4-Jun-21 Unvaccinated 6 295,044 2
11-Jun-21 Unvaccinated 5 291,940 1.7
18-Jun-21 Unvaccinated 5 289,072 1.7
25-Jun-21 Unvaccinated 7 286,381 2.4
2-Jul-21 Unvaccinated 6 283,776 2.1
9-Jul-21 Unvaccinated 5 281,585 1.8
16-Jul-21 Unvaccinated 10 279,739 3.6
23-Jul-21 Unvaccinated 21 278,102 7.6
30-Jul-21 Unvaccinated 29 276,769 10.5
6-Aug-21 Unvaccinated 33 275,641 12
13-Aug-21 Unvaccinated 25 274,540 9.1
20-Aug-21 Unvaccinated 27 273,609 9.9
27-Aug-21 Unvaccinated 25 272,682 9.2
3-Sep-21 Unvaccinated 25 272,148 9.2
10-Sep-21 Unvaccinated 29 271,550 10.7
17-Sep-21 Unvaccinated 24 270,878 8.9
24-Sep-21 Unvaccinated 23 270,362 8.5



4-Jun-21 21 days or more after first dose 2 320,208 :
11-Jun-21 21 days or more after first dose 1 179,440 :
18-Jun-21 21 days or more after first dose 2 123,802 :
25-Jun-21 21 days or more after first dose 1 100,979 :
2-Jul-21 21 days or more after first dose 4 89,833 4.5
9-Jul-21 21 days or more after first dose 2 83,547 :
16-Jul-21 21 days or more after first dose 4 78,172 5.1
23-Jul-21 21 days or more after first dose 4 74,462 5.4
30-Jul-21 21 days or more after first dose 4 71,121 5.6
6-Aug-21 21 days or more after first dose 6 68,303 8.8
13-Aug-21 21 days or more after first dose 1 66,092 :
20-Aug-21 21 days or more after first dose 4 64,131 6.2
27-Aug-21 21 days or more after first dose 1 62,016 :
3-Sep-21 21 days or more after first dose 3 61,017 4.9
10-Sep-21 21 days or more after first dose 3 59,948 5
17-Sep-21 21 days or more after first dose 4 58,923 6.8
24-Sep-21 21 days or more after first dose 6 57,552 10.4


4-Jun-21 Second dose 3 4,643,404 0.1
11-Jun-21 Second dose 0 4,791,772 :
18-Jun-21 Second dose 1 4,853,981 :
25-Jun-21 Second dose 6 4,881,587 0.1
2-Jul-21 Second dose 4 4,897,642 0.1
9-Jul-21 Second dose 5 4,908,277 0.1
16-Jul-21 Second dose 16 4,918,511 0.3
23-Jul-21 Second dose 31 4,926,389 0.6
30-Jul-21 Second dose 26 4,933,722 0.5
6-Aug-21 Second dose 34 4,940,429 0.7
13-Aug-21 Second dose 39 4,946,335 0.8
20-Aug-21 Second dose 41 4,951,729 0.8
27-Aug-21 Second dose 43 4,957,086 0.9
3-Sep-21 Second dose 45 4,961,400 0.9
10-Sep-21 Second dose 52 4,965,243 1
17-Sep-21 Second dose 57 4,969,499 1.1
24-Sep-21 Second dose 55 4,973,647 1.1
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I can see that despite the number of cases and hospitalisations rising five-fold between 4 June and 26 September the all-cause mortality rate in the unjabbed hasn't risen at all despite the covid death rate in the unjabbed group also rising five-fold in that period.

Which confirms that these unfortunate deaths are people who probably would have died anyway.

Given that excess deaths are running at 15% above the five year average in this age group then all of those excess deaths must be occurring in one or all of the jabbed groups.
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well then unfortunately we re living in a fantasy show.
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The part about them being too important to fire is a fantasy they alone made up. The RCC is more than capable of turning Churches into banks. Employees make better shareholders for companies listed on the stock market than the ones who disturb the earth for riches but never include the restoration of the land as being the final step.
They are simply inflating their own importance, when that fails 'plan b' is the scorched earth policy they have in place. Clearly, they are the ones 'out of balance'.

The current shortages are there because China is calling NATO a terrorist network. When the shortages mean only the poorest are hit then that assessment is correct, they care less for some of their citizens than others. 85% can suffer, so the top 15% can live a life of extreme luxury. That is something the 15% would vote for and 85% would vote against.
China and Russia had nothing to do with the West adopting an insane policy, we broke it, so we should fix it.

Want climate change fixed, point out the West's industrial revolution as the cause and the World Bank made huge profits by not cleaning up their act, send them alone the bill rather than make the consumers pay for something they didn't break.
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Rofl the West's industrial revolution had nothing to do with climate change. If you want to find the real polluters then look East you know the area where people reproduce like rabbits and its so polluted that there is a perpetual fog. i.e. China and India. Also these people and others like them are also responsible for the sea of trash floating around in the Pacific ocean.

As for the west we actually use landfills for our garbage and most cities have implemented a recycle program that the citizens use and our factories and cars have to pass emissions tests which aren't required in Africa or Asia.
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What's more is that the all cause mortality rate has risen significantly during this period for the double jabbed whereas it hasn't risen at all for the unjabbed in the same age cohort.

This is a very significant finding.
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What's more is that the all cause mortality rate has risen significantly during this period for the double jabbed whereas it hasn't risen at all for the unjabbed in the same age cohort.

This is a very significant finding.
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The only way we can see this is by maintaining a non jabbed control group. Imagine how easy it would be to pass off the new figures as the new normal....
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What's more is that the all cause mortality rate has risen significantly during this period for the double jabbed whereas it hasn't risen at all for the unjabbed in the same age cohort.

This is a very significant finding.
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to me it's baffling what happens to the 1st dose,
like for first 21 days after jab almost no one dies like almost 0

then suddenly between like 21 days and 28 days (cause 2nd dose i think it's given like in 3-4 weeks) in that 1 week they die at huge numbers 100 per week per 100k, while still almost none of them die from covid

this isn t a natural distribution
or is as natural as is the covid a natural virus from a bat :)

then bam comes 2nd does and from 100 per week it dramatically drops to 10 per week (all death rate)

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I can see that despite the number of cases and hospitalisations rising five-fold between 4 June and 26 September the all-cause mortality rate in the unjabbed hasn't risen at all despite the covid death rate in the unjabbed group also rising five-fold in that period.

Which confirms that these unfortunate deaths are people who probably would have died anyway.

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thanks, Dr Fauci, for confirming that it's okay to murder them since they would "probably die anyway".


lol
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there is something very strange for jun-september period for category 60-69 age

so, unvaxxed have an average death rate of about 25-30 deaths per 100k people

more than 21 days since 1st dose have an average rate of about 90 deaths per 100k people

those with 2 doses have an average rate of about 13 deaths for 100k people

so this doesn't really makes much sense

one dose jabbed 21+ days have every week during the interval 3x more deaths than unvaxxed

but the double jabbed have 10x less than one time jabbed, and 2x less than unvaxxed death rate!?


any ideas how to explain this?

like they suddenly die like flies after first dose

but if they survive first dose, they die less than unvaxxed, once they get the 2nd one?
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As I said earlier, it is because the majority of those left in that age group left single jabbed by that point are the ones that the medics decided weren't well enough to take the second jab. The absolute numbers are low, but the per 100,000 rate is relatively high, as you note.
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I can see that despite the number of cases and hospitalisations rising five-fold between 4 June and 26 September the all-cause mortality rate in the unjabbed hasn't risen at all despite the covid death rate in the unjabbed group also rising five-fold in that period.

Which confirms that these unfortunate deaths are people who probably would have died anyway.

Given that excess deaths are running at 15% above the five year average in this age group then all of those excess deaths must be occurring in one or all of the jabbed groups.
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or since the all cause mortality doesn t rise, but just covid one does, it can also mean the covid curve is an artefact conjured to create the textbook waves

what is clear is that as you said all cause death rate rose by 15% from previous years, but from all this data seems more plausible that the real cause of that is not covid, but something else
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Looks like the vaxxed are twice as likely to die, and that causes of death must therefore be being ascribed to other things--which are likely caused by vax (clots, etc.).
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yup since we re dealing with big numbers statistics never lie

let s be real all sheep got jab regardless of their medical condition by now

all awake people didn t get jabbed by now regardless of their medical condition

so only medical condition that explains that 2x difference is the choice to get the jab or not

and the excess is directly cause by jab side-effects
most probably the jab acts as a catalyst which speeds up all underlying causes one might have
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Have you accounted for the jabbed vs non jab with your numbers? The ratio of jabbed to non jab is 2.42 to 1.

Looking at your numbers again, I assume you have accounted for that.
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The stats that were provided were rates which is what you were asking for.

So yes, they rates account for the percentage who were vexxed.
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there is something very strange for jun-september period for category 60-69 age

so, unvaxxed have an average death rate of about 25-30 deaths per 100k people

more than 21 days since 1st dose have an average rate of about 90 deaths per 100k people

those with 2 doses have an average rate of about 13 deaths for 100k people

so this doesn't really makes much sense

one dose jabbed 21+ days have every week during the interval 3x more deaths than unvaxxed

but the double jabbed have 10x less than one time jabbed, and 2x less than unvaxxed death rate!?


any ideas how to explain this?

like they suddenly die like flies after first dose

but if they survive first dose, they die less than unvaxxed, once they get the 2nd one?
 Quoting: VenusRose


As I said earlier, it is because the majority of those left in that age group left single jabbed by that point are the ones that the medics decided weren't well enough to take the second jab. The absolute numbers are low, but the per 100,000 rate is relatively high, as you note.
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ok, so you say that they were well enough to get the 1st jab, but 1 month later they were not well enough to get the 2nd?
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The reason that all-cause mortality is higher in the jabbed than the non-jabbed is that the average age of the jabbed in the UK is about 50, whereas the average age of the unjabbed is about 25.

Only 10% of under 18s have been jabbed whereas over 80% of over 18s have been jabbed.

This skews the figures so that people draw erroneous conclusions.

The jabs are dangerous and the virus is dangerous.

Which is more dangerous?

We shall find out in the years ahead.
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yea thing is that data is only for age group between 10-59

unfortunately i'll need to do manual extrapolations to get a bit more in depth since they lumped all that together


here's an example where we can't complain about age variation.
this is for the age 60-69 group

again all causes mortality
this time unvaxxed vs 21+days after 1st dose

age | deaths | population | rate per 100k

24-Sep-21
21+ days 1st dose 60-69 | 45 | 57,552 | 78.2
Unvaccinated 60-69 | 65 | 270,362 | 24.0

17-Sep-21

21+ days 1st dose 60-69 | 41 | 58,923 | 69.6

Unvaccinated 60-69 | 73 | 270,878 | 26.9


so how exactly do you explain in this group, those at 21+ days days after first dose (but before 2nd) have THREE TIMES HIGHER MORTALITY than unvaxxed
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It sure is an interesting dataset.

I'm not sure about single jabbed in Sept, but an interesting point about the single jabbed in general is how the mortality generally looks high in that age group.

My interpretation of this is that they started jabbing that age group at around week 8. From that point on for about 3 months the single jab group contains the vast majority of that age group (90% or so).

After 12 weeks, so about week 20, they started giving that group their second jab. But, crucially, there was a subset of that age group that only just survived their first jab and who were at death's door. The medical advice at that point was to not give anyone truly ill their second jab.

So, from about week 20 they start concentrating the 'death's door' individuals into an increasingly small number of people. By about week 24 or so most people have been jabbed, so all the 'really really ill people' are now stuffed in with the 10% or so who don't want to be jabbed.

This has two effects -- it makes the single jabbed (>21days) group look as though it has a high death rate (whereas it is actually a minority in that group has a huge death rate).

And, it makes the double jabbed group look 'better', because it has had all the people who were going to die removed from it.

Again, I'll state that the main effect of all this has been to make it look as though the vaccine efficiency against hospitalisation/death is far better than it actually is.

As far as I can tell, the vaccine efficiency against hospitalisation/death is about 50% at the 6 month point. It is also falling rapidly. I estimate it'll hit zero in about Jan/Feb time. At the moment I can't tell how this'll be affected by the booster jabs (the same effect applies -- the truly ill people aren't getting the booster, and this is corrupting the data).

As a general point, I'd suggest that you separate out the non-covid from the covid deaths (ie, subtract table 3 from table 4) -- it makes the analysis/interpretation far easier.
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first i d like to day you that this kind of discussions like the one we're having would be what would happen as public debates to inform and decide public policies in a real and functional democracy.
out of such exchange of arguments and interpretations does science move forward and rational agreement and truth is reached.


2nd point. i assume you're from you uk. DO you have any idea what would be the composition of still unvaxxed cohorts right now?

like in that 60-69 group i d say there are 2 main subgroups:
a. people who refuse to get the jab
b. people already at death door and who have conditions which preclude them to get the jab

do you have any info about the ratio between these 2 groups?

3. i'll subtract later the covid deaths from total deaths, on first look given unvaxxed are shown to have higher covid deaths. so after subtracting the difference on non-covid deaths will be even higher on the side of vaxxed groups

on this point do you have any other insight you'd like to add?
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Thanks. It is appalling how difficult it is to have a rational discussion about our current situation.

Other insights? In general I'd say that the data are interesting, but mainly because they show that the data can't be trusted.

The main outputs of this data set for me are:

They've clearly got the ill people mixed up in their unvaccinated group. I'd imagine this will be the case for all age groups, but it certainly seems significant in the older age groups.

This means that all data on vaccine effectiveness that we're being shown has a bias in it. The bias will result in estimates of vaccine effectiveness being overestimated.

The three older age groups in the data are fine, but the 10-60 age group is ridiculous; mortality risk change between 10 and 60 is immense. What's more, there is a massive range of vaccination dates in this group -- those in their 60's vaccinated in spring, those under 20 last month. You really can't work with the data in this age group -- there's a real risk of getting highly misleading results.

I've no idea why they'd mix up the data in this way. I am very suspicious that they're hiding something.
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there is something very strange for jun-september period for category 60-69 age

so, unvaxxed have an average death rate of about 25-30 deaths per 100k people

more than 21 days since 1st dose have an average rate of about 90 deaths per 100k people

those with 2 doses have an average rate of about 13 deaths for 100k people

so this doesn't really makes much sense

one dose jabbed 21+ days have every week during the interval 3x more deaths than unvaxxed

but the double jabbed have 10x less than one time jabbed, and 2x less than unvaxxed death rate!?


any ideas how to explain this?

like they suddenly die like flies after first dose

but if they survive first dose, they die less than unvaxxed, once they get the 2nd one?
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As I said earlier, it is because the majority of those left in that age group left single jabbed by that point are the ones that the medics decided weren't well enough to take the second jab. The absolute numbers are low, but the per 100,000 rate is relatively high, as you note.
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ok, so you say that they were well enough to get the 1st jab, but 1 month later they were not well enough to get the 2nd?
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It appears that a large number in this group were unhealthy/ill (generally) but had a rough reaction to the 1st jab.

I suppose the question might be asked -- why else are there people in this group. Those distrustful of the vaccine (like me) didn't get their first jab, while the vast majority were steamrollered through into getting jab 2.
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there is something very strange for jun-september period for category 60-69 age

so, unvaxxed have an average death rate of about 25-30 deaths per 100k people

more than 21 days since 1st dose have an average rate of about 90 deaths per 100k people

those with 2 doses have an average rate of about 13 deaths for 100k people

so this doesn't really makes much sense

one dose jabbed 21+ days have every week during the interval 3x more deaths than unvaxxed

but the double jabbed have 10x less than one time jabbed, and 2x less than unvaxxed death rate!?


any ideas how to explain this?

like they suddenly die like flies after first dose

but if they survive first dose, they die less than unvaxxed, once they get the 2nd one?
 Quoting: VenusRose


As I said earlier, it is because the majority of those left in that age group left single jabbed by that point are the ones that the medics decided weren't well enough to take the second jab. The absolute numbers are low, but the per 100,000 rate is relatively high, as you note.
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ok, so you say that they were well enough to get the 1st jab, but 1 month later they were not well enough to get the 2nd?
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Good thread, thanks, you may find this useful/interesting: [link to eugyppius.substack.com (secure)]

There is a lot of political pressure to screw with the data going on.
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yea thing is that data is only for age group between 10-59

unfortunately i'll need to do manual extrapolations to get a bit more in depth since they lumped all that together


here's an example where we can't complain about age variation.
this is for the age 60-69 group

again all causes mortality
this time unvaxxed vs 21+days after 1st dose

age | deaths | population | rate per 100k

24-Sep-21
21+ days 1st dose 60-69 | 45 | 57,552 | 78.2
Unvaccinated 60-69 | 65 | 270,362 | 24.0

17-Sep-21

21+ days 1st dose 60-69 | 41 | 58,923 | 69.6

Unvaccinated 60-69 | 73 | 270,878 | 26.9


so how exactly do you explain in this group, those at 21+ days days after first dose (but before 2nd) have THREE TIMES HIGHER MORTALITY than unvaxxed
 Quoting: VenusRose


It sure is an interesting dataset.

I'm not sure about single jabbed in Sept, but an interesting point about the single jabbed in general is how the mortality generally looks high in that age group.

My interpretation of this is that they started jabbing that age group at around week 8. From that point on for about 3 months the single jab group contains the vast majority of that age group (90% or so).

After 12 weeks, so about week 20, they started giving that group their second jab. But, crucially, there was a subset of that age group that only just survived their first jab and who were at death's door. The medical advice at that point was to not give anyone truly ill their second jab.

So, from about week 20 they start concentrating the 'death's door' individuals into an increasingly small number of people. By about week 24 or so most people have been jabbed, so all the 'really really ill people' are now stuffed in with the 10% or so who don't want to be jabbed.

This has two effects -- it makes the single jabbed (>21days) group look as though it has a high death rate (whereas it is actually a minority in that group has a huge death rate).

And, it makes the double jabbed group look 'better', because it has had all the people who were going to die removed from it.

Again, I'll state that the main effect of all this has been to make it look as though the vaccine efficiency against hospitalisation/death is far better than it actually is.

As far as I can tell, the vaccine efficiency against hospitalisation/death is about 50% at the 6 month point. It is also falling rapidly. I estimate it'll hit zero in about Jan/Feb time. At the moment I can't tell how this'll be affected by the booster jabs (the same effect applies -- the truly ill people aren't getting the booster, and this is corrupting the data).

As a general point, I'd suggest that you separate out the non-covid from the covid deaths (ie, subtract table 3 from table 4) -- it makes the analysis/interpretation far easier.
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first i d like to day you that this kind of discussions like the one we're having would be what would happen as public debates to inform and decide public policies in a real and functional democracy.
out of such exchange of arguments and interpretations does science move forward and rational agreement and truth is reached.


2nd point. i assume you're from you uk. DO you have any idea what would be the composition of still unvaxxed cohorts right now?

like in that 60-69 group i d say there are 2 main subgroups:
a. people who refuse to get the jab
b. people already at death door and who have conditions which preclude them to get the jab

do you have any info about the ratio between these 2 groups?

3. i'll subtract later the covid deaths from total deaths, on first look given unvaxxed are shown to have higher covid deaths. so after subtracting the difference on non-covid deaths will be even higher on the side of vaxxed groups

on this point do you have any other insight you'd like to add?
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Thanks. It is appalling how difficult it is to have a rational discussion about our current situation.

Other insights? In general I'd say that the data are interesting, but mainly because they show that the data can't be trusted.

The main outputs of this data set for me are:

They've clearly got the ill people mixed up in their unvaccinated group. I'd imagine this will be the case for all age groups, but it certainly seems significant in the older age groups.

This means that all data on vaccine effectiveness that we're being shown has a bias in it. The bias will result in estimates of vaccine effectiveness being overestimated.

The three older age groups in the data are fine, but the 10-60 age group is ridiculous; mortality risk change between 10 and 60 is immense. What's more, there is a massive range of vaccination dates in this group -- those in their 60's vaccinated in spring, those under 20 last month. You really can't work with the data in this age group -- there's a real risk of getting highly misleading results.

I've no idea why they'd mix up the data in this way. I am very suspicious that they're hiding something.
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Very probable they wanna hide something.

What if is jab deaths in young vaxxed population?

If that was the case and they'd give the numbers in 10 age groups like the others, that would become obvious from the data wouldn't it?

Like once younger groups start to get vaxxed in mass if there d be a sudden increase in all death rate in those groups the pattern would be obvious. Wouldn't it?

So this is one possibility why they use 10-59

So that's one possibility
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there is something very strange for jun-september period for category 60-69 age

so, unvaxxed have an average death rate of about 25-30 deaths per 100k people

more than 21 days since 1st dose have an average rate of about 90 deaths per 100k people

those with 2 doses have an average rate of about 13 deaths for 100k people

so this doesn't really makes much sense

one dose jabbed 21+ days have every week during the interval 3x more deaths than unvaxxed

but the double jabbed have 10x less than one time jabbed, and 2x less than unvaxxed death rate!?


any ideas how to explain this?

like they suddenly die like flies after first dose

but if they survive first dose, they die less than unvaxxed, once they get the 2nd one?
 Quoting: VenusRose


As I said earlier, it is because the majority of those left in that age group left single jabbed by that point are the ones that the medics decided weren't well enough to take the second jab. The absolute numbers are low, but the per 100,000 rate is relatively high, as you note.
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ok, so you say that they were well enough to get the 1st jab, but 1 month later they were not well enough to get the 2nd?
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It appears that a large number in this group were unhealthy/ill (generally) but had a rough reaction to the 1st jab.

I suppose the question might be asked -- why else are there people in this group. Those distrustful of the vaccine (like me) didn't get their first jab, while the vast majority were steamrollered through into getting jab 2.
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Well I also think that these guys have strong effects from the 1st dose. From my personal experience with real cases I heard I tend to think that the vaccine (as covid) does accelerate underlying existing problems.

Also there are also cases that because they fell very ill after first dose decide not to get the 2nd, but not sure how many of these would be and how many would be those that seriously got their health deteriorated after first jab that they didn t quality anymore for the 2nd.

But eitherway it makes sense to conclude what s left in this group are those with very bad reactions after 1st dose. What do u think?
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there is something very strange for jun-september period for category 60-69 age

so, unvaxxed have an average death rate of about 25-30 deaths per 100k people

more than 21 days since 1st dose have an average rate of about 90 deaths per 100k people

those with 2 doses have an average rate of about 13 deaths for 100k people

so this doesn't really makes much sense

one dose jabbed 21+ days have every week during the interval 3x more deaths than unvaxxed

but the double jabbed have 10x less than one time jabbed, and 2x less than unvaxxed death rate!?


any ideas how to explain this?

like they suddenly die like flies after first dose

but if they survive first dose, they die less than unvaxxed, once they get the 2nd one?
 Quoting: VenusRose


As I said earlier, it is because the majority of those left in that age group left single jabbed by that point are the ones that the medics decided weren't well enough to take the second jab. The absolute numbers are low, but the per 100,000 rate is relatively high, as you note.
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ok, so you say that they were well enough to get the 1st jab, but 1 month later they were not well enough to get the 2nd?
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Good thread, thanks, you may find this useful/interesting: [link to eugyppius.substack.com (secure)]

There is a lot of political pressure to screw with the data going on.
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Thx!





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