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Dr. John Sarno's ideas on chronic pain -- Miracle of psychology, or woo-woo foolishness?

 
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Dr. John Sarno's ideas on chronic pain -- Miracle of psychology, or woo-woo foolishness?
There are no posts on GLP about the late Dr. John Sarno and his approach to healing chronic back pain (and other types of pain).

Pain originates in the mind, so the fix lies in talking the mind down off the ledge. That's the basic idea. Becoming aware of this, he said, causes pain to stop.

I really respect John Stoessel, and he swears Sarno cured his back pain of many years just by talking to him. He said in an interview that he's embarassed by the fact that it worked, especially since he's always been so rational and a skeptic of most woo-woo stuff.

Howard Stern and Larry David are two other high profile people who have spoken out about Sarno as if he were a miracle worker.

Have any of you read his books? Any success stories out there to report, or is this all foolishness?

I welcome all feedback and/or related discussions about healing back pain WITHOUT big pharma or surgical interventions.
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Responding so I can follow any discussion. Sounds interesting.
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Re: Dr. John Sarno's ideas on chronic pain -- Miracle of psychology, or woo-woo foolishness?
Here is a clip of Stoessel's old 20/20 segment on how Sarno fixed his back pain.

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Bumping for the nighttime crowd. Would love to hear about it if Sarno did -- or didn't -- help you.
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years ago, I got a chance to talk to the then-president of the national association of medical hypnotherapists, who had a practice in Manhattan

he told me that by using hypnosis, doctors can reduce medication in patients with chronic pain by 25 to 30 percent
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Dr. Drano is amazing. I recommend him highly.
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Dr. Drano is amazing. I recommend him highly.
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Sarno. Damn spell check.
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Dr. Drano is amazing. I recommend him highly.
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Sarno. Damn spell check.
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Lol. Thought you were being sarcastic or something.

Did you have pain that disappeared?
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Re: Dr. John Sarno's ideas on chronic pain -- Miracle of psychology, or woo-woo foolishness?
years ago, I got a chance to talk to the then-president of the national association of medical hypnotherapists, who had a practice in Manhattan

he told me that by using hypnosis, doctors can reduce medication in patients with chronic pain by 25 to 30 percent
 Quoting: 91GMC


I believe you. The mind is very powerful.

I mean, we have all heard of psychosomatic illness...but we usually think of that as being in nutty people or attention seekers. Looks like Sarno is saying MOST people with back pain have fallen for the idea that it is caused by slipped discs, etc -- which everybody has -- and it's all just bunk the medical establishment made up to get our money from unnecessary surgeries.

I will say that the few people I know who have had back surgeries never had their pain go away due to these procedures...so there might be something to this.
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years ago, I got a chance to talk to the then-president of the national association of medical hypnotherapists, who had a practice in Manhattan

he told me that by using hypnosis, doctors can reduce medication in patients with chronic pain by 25 to 30 percent
 Quoting: 91GMC


I believe you. The mind is very powerful.

I mean, we have all heard of psychosomatic illness...but we usually think of that as being in nutty people or attention seekers. Looks like Sarno is saying MOST people with back pain have fallen for the idea that it is caused by slipped discs, etc -- which everybody has -- and it's all just bunk the medical establishment made up to get our money from unnecessary surgeries.

I will say that the few people I know who have had back surgeries never had their pain go away due to these procedures...so there might be something to this.
 Quoting: BarbaricYawpSounder


I hope and PRAY that there is some way for people with chronic pain to find relief. I have many loved ones with crippling pain from accidents.

I will have to do some research on the late Dr. John Sarno and his approach to healing chronic back pain.

Thanks OP for this thread.
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snip for discussion..

He gave the various forms of chronic pain the collective name “tension myositis syndrome” (T.M.S.), which, apart from its psychological roots, he attributed to mild oxygen deprivation caused by reduced blood flow to muscles and nerves throughout the body.

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"If there must be trouble, let it be in my day, that my child may have peace." - Thomas Paine

The only thing the Illuminati fears is an independent person who can live, eat, sleep, stay warm and defend themselves separate from Federal help. Pray that the Lord gives us more time! The End is near and time is short!

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Re: Dr. John Sarno's ideas on chronic pain -- Miracle of psychology, or woo-woo foolishness?
Sarno's method 100% cured me of unimaginable back pain 20 years ago, to the point where I would LITERALLY, at times be on the floor with my back locked up in a spasm as tight as you can make a fist.

After unsuccessfully going to a couple of the top sports medicine doctors in NYC, including one who worked for the NY Jets....and others who tried telling me the ergonomics of my workspace was causing it (WTF)...not to mention MRI's, chiropractors...I was miserable.

On a whim, my buddy said "you should go to that back doctor Howard Stern always talks about" I looked into it and ended up reading his book (something like) "Healing Back Pain, The Mind Body Connection"....and literally within days...100% cured without a single relapse in 20 years. I kid you not, my back was so bad I couldn't even bend over to lift up the damn toilet seat to piss without pain. I couldn't finish a round of golf without being in total agony.

Sarno noticed in thousands of patients who suffered these symptoms, nearly all fit a similar profile of person: typically young, male, over-achiever, undergoing major life change or stress...that was me. I was helping to care for a parent who was stricken with cancer...selling 2 houses and buying a new house, my wife pregnant with out 1st child...and a high-paying job in NYC that was bought by an equity firm where the writing was on the wall that the gravy-train was just about over. OH, and on top of that, a 4 hour commute to/from Manhattan where I was working at the time.

Sarno called it TMS (I think)...tension mitosis syndrome...where the body & subconscious tries to "protect" the mind from focusing on the outside stress, it creates a "diversion" in the form of a back or neck pain so the person instead focuses on that.

How is it solved? Simply by realizing it's happening....it sounds too simple, but I swear to God it's 100% true and cured me 100% from the most horrible, chronic back pain you could possibly imagine.

Look up the book on Amazon and read the thousands of reviews...how can they ALL be bullshit? I'm telling you...it's not.

I hope this helps

EDIT: By the way....I gave this book to a buddy about a year after I was cured who was having the same type of issues in his neck muscles...he also swears he was 100% cured as well and he then gave the book to a relative of his. We both swear we were cured by it

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Dr. Drano is amazing. I recommend him highly.
 Quoting: kat


Sarno. Damn spell check.
 Quoting: kat


Lol, yeah - no, don't use Drano.
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Amazing, Will have to read it.
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Sarno's method 100% cured me of unimaginable back pain 20 years ago, to the point where I would LITERALLY, at times be on the floor with my back locked up in a spasm as tight as you can make a fist.

After unsuccessfully going to a couple of the top sports medicine doctors in NYC, including one who worked for the NY Jets....and others who tried telling me the ergonomics of my workspace was causing it (WTF)...not to mention MRI's, chiropractors...I was miserable.

On a whim, my buddy said "you should go to that back doctor Howard Stern always talks about" I looked into it and ended up reading his book (something like) "Healing Back Pain, The Mind Body Connection"....and literally within days...100% cured without a single relapse in 20 years. I kid you not, my back was so bad I couldn't even bend over to lift up the damn toilet seat to piss without pain. I couldn't finish a round of golf without being in total agony.

Sarno noticed in thousands of patients who suffered these symptoms, nearly all fit a similar profile of person: typically young, male, over-achiever, undergoing major life change or stress...that was me. I was helping to care for a parent who was stricken with cancer...selling 2 houses and buying a new house, my wife pregnant with out 1st child...and a high-paying job in NYC that was bought by an equity firm where the writing was on the wall that the gravy-train was just about over. OH, and on top of that, a 4 hour commute to/from Manhattan where I was working at the time.

Sarno called it TMS (I think)...tension mitosis syndrome...where the body & subconscious tries to "protect" the mind from focusing on the outside stress, it creates a "diversion" in the form of a back or neck pain so the person instead focuses on that.

How is it solved? Simply by realizing it's happening....it sounds too simple, but I swear to God it's 100% true and cured me 100% from the most horrible, chronic back pain you could possibly imagine.

Look up the book on Amazon and read the thousands of reviews...how can they ALL be bullshit? I'm telling you...it's not.

I hope this helps

EDIT: By the way....I gave this book to a buddy about a year after I was cured who was having the same type of issues in his neck muscles...he also swears he was 100% cured as well and he then gave the book to a relative of his. We both swear we were cured by it
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