the subtle lie of Star Wars

Dark Side of God


Cabala

Then all is permitted. Where that dark then touches you, you turn into a philosopher so as to make a special argument to condemn it. What is the difference between a liar and a philosopher? Funding.

I think you're onto something there.

And yet to argue the point, I'd need to be a philosopher myself! There is no down side to doing evil. The dark side is simply an attempt to maintain faith in the system. The losers of that system argue against its internal tensions while giving those same fallacies other names in their own, suppressed culture. It is the people that people try to smuggle past justice that end up making every oppressed group look so shitty. When this is actually about equality and not about getting and keeping power, I'll listen. Although I'm not holding my breath.

Ok

The _ews only stole dualism from ancient Persian religion.


They rarely actually create.

To put it another way: everybody who has any power, from a parent to the chairman of the board, knows what will happen if people lose faith. And yet no one with power EVER dials it back a bit. This is the problem of people in power, not WITH power. Playing on that distinction is a good way to guilt people with nothing into dying for the sake of those who have never missed a meal in their lives. Like I said, that equality, that respect is always going to be out of reach.

if chi is life force what would the dark side of the force be?

death force?

makes no sense

Now I totally get that when something like my garden dies, then it feeds the microbes and the soil prospers and next years garden grows from the death of last year's garden.

But all of that is life force transforming.

The bigger question is how did yoda know so much about it?

Viewing them as a group is what allows the bad elements to hide behind the good. If you have a problem with an individual one then take him out. You'll never get any one community to hand over their malicious actors because their pride of place depends on them, and eventually their morality is twisted to center on them. It's all a joke anyway.

The cultural proof is in the cultural pudding. Where are all the epic heroes if these traditional moralities have any actual worth?

Be as innocent as doves but as wise as serpents.

I suppose that the story might have gone that the Siths wanted the universe for themselves, and were trying to kill the non-Siths.

And that Darth etc were just traitors to the other side.

And Darth and the other baddies were using their skills at manipulating chi (LIFE force)

To help the enemies.

But you can't build an empire with anti-chi force. You need to foster life.

Otherwise there would eventually be nothing to feed all the Siths. In fact, if you only fostered the opposite of chi, there would be no future Siths, either.

Interesting topic, one I must disagree with. You can't have one without the other, light and darkness, Yin and Yang, Gsal Ba and Svasavedana, Dharma and Ahimsa, etc etc.

The basis for duality thrives in every culture on the planet and has since time immemorial. Without it one cannot truly know nor understand his/her place in the universe.

The harshest and darkest lessons are the most transformative and help to achieve the greatest victories in ascension.

Yep.

But someone had to sit around and think those particular dualities up, did they not? Diametric opposition is at base really an argument about loyalty and disloyalty without any subjective content--what is the person being loyal or disloyal to? In the end, it refuses to acknowledge the difference between someone who was always looking out for number one, and the good faith actor who finally got fed up. Since the whole thing is about WINNING, what sort of person is the actual beneficiary of the byway (as it resolves itself once its user has gotten from point a to point b) of dualistic thinking? THE USER.

Is loyalty a universal trait, or one simply inherent to mankind, whereas morality can undoubtedly be defined within a universal context. How does morality exist without immorality existing as well. Simple answer is, it cannot.

But, I digress.

What was that religion called ?

Before what was Persia converted with a sword to the neck to Muslim faith.

Zoroastrianism or Mazdaism but Zoroastrians today are not necessarily dualists.

Perhaps the Grey Jedi were closer to the truth:

There is no peace without a passion to create
There is no passion without peace to guide
Knowledge fades without the strength to act
Power blinds without the serenity to see
There is freedom in life
There is purpose in death
The Force is all things and I am the Force

Chi can be used for the dark side.

Don't kid yourself.

I've practiced Chi Kung for years.

Anything for good can be corrupted.

and it is powerful.

Ever wonder why, in the old kung fu movies...and other movies of course... why it always takes 2 or more good guys to defeat the bad guy?

Evil is powerful because it is NOt restrained, like good.

There is 'for its own sake' and 'as a means to an end,' with the 'for its own sake' being for the poor and 'as a means to an end' for the rich. 'For its own sake' is trumpeted if and only if 'as a means to an end' has started to offer diminishing returns to the rich. I say, those who created duality as a means to an end ought to embrace it now for its own sake. They destroyed countless things that money can't buy. I didn't do that. Obligation is based on them having not done that. They did. It would require thinking a person who specializes in stabbing people in the back and knowing who they are allowed to do it to somehow going against that nature in both ways. That's why it is called a miracle, and why the heavy-hitters of rhetoric are called upon to tart it up with phony praise. If it truly did matter, it would have mattered to the powerful, and that long ago.

Hate to break it to you, but it's a movie. There's no force at all. Midichlorians don't even exit.

But if you want to get into metaphors, then the dark side from the original trilogy (before prequels ruined it) represents deviating from Godliness and giving into temptation. In that sense, there very much is a dark side, and it's taken over all of mainstream culture.

Originally both sides were considered equal, and a person was expected to maintain balance in both sides.

Where you pulled your idea from I can't imagine

The first 4 min should suffice to support your point.

The rest is insightful too.


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every single positive thing can be used for good or for bad, can't it?

If you're going to argue that route, just drop morality altogether, mkay? Life isn't a test, it isn't an illusion, it isn't anything. If there is something objectively wrong, it is having a candy-coating of morality (with the death penalty, because of course it does) around an existentialist pretext that postdates the actual practice of the rich and powerful never having been subject to the law in the first place by thousands of years. People just don't feel invested in your system any longer. You don't view yourselves as equal to the people you give lectures to, and this is a prerequisite to being able to use violence against them at all. It's obvious, so why are you trying to fight the consequences you had a thousand chances to avoid?

I'm not sure I ever got my point across so I'm going to try again.

I do believe in Chi, and I don't think there is any Chi bonus given if you are evil.

Let's say you have a cat, and that cat likes to go outside and torture the little animals in the yard. You could say that was kind of evil.

I don't think the universe grants him any extra bonus chi for being evil.

I don't think kitty draws on "dark chi" to do his bad thing. I think he pulls from the same reservoir of chi that any house cat, good or evil, pulls from.

The worms in his stomach draw on the same chi reservoir. And someday when kitty gets eaten by a hawk, that hawk will be drawing on the same reservoir of chi.

When kitty no longer returns to the kind elderly owner, the owner might morn his loss and draw on the same chi reservoir.

Last Edited by Eilonwy on 11/15/2021 12:12 PM

Why do all of you have to be this way about everything all the damn time?