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Verdict watch now in Arbery case.

 
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Everyone should have a thorough understanding of the law in their jurisdiction before taking action. Most people don't.

Study up or spend life in jail.
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Watching Newsmax right now.

There are Nuffins partying in the street.

Keepin it real an shit.

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Travis McMichael (son) Guilty

Gregory McMichael (father) felony murder: Guilty

Stupid men. They'll be killed in prison.

3rd guy: Felony murder: Guilty
 Quoting: nutmeg


So wrong. They will win on appeal then.
 Quoting: FlashBuzzkill


Will they last long enough for that in prison? One is a former cop. They killed a black man. I doubt if they'll be protected behind bars.

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Guilty on all counts is the ONLY logical verdict that can be reached here.

If you fear for your life, call the cops.
You don't mount a posse of you and your boys all bearing shotguns and chase and almost run over a guy and then try to claim self defense when he's the one defending himself again you.

"Fists are weapons!"

That means anyone can be shot at any time for having hands.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 70428285

Acquitted on all charges is the verdict that may save more hood rat lives.

But go ahead? Convict those dumb fkrs for what 70% of MEN wish we'd be doing anyway. Jog right in and SEE if we home yo yo yo
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Guilty on all counts is the ONLY logical verdict that can be reached here.

If you fear for your life, call the cops.
You don't mount a posse of you and your boys all bearing shotguns and chase and almost run over a guy and then try to claim self defense when he's the one defending himself again you.

"Fists are weapons!"

That means anyone can be shot at any time for having hands.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 70428285
100% agree.

I don’t like the law on accessories to murder- I don’t like it that a person in the car gets charged when other passengers commit murder, either. The dude following in the truck did commit felony assault with his vehicle, though- which does make him more likely to be found guilty for being a part of the whole thing.
The other two will and should be found guilty of murder. If it becomes okay to shoot an unarmed person based on a suspicion because they finally try to defend themselves with their hands- it is just a matter of time before the argument is made than none of us should have firearms.
Travis’s own testimony clearly indicates that he and his father are guilty as sin.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 80233707


The law on accessories is almost as criminally shady as the laws on "conspiracy".

These are fundamentally bad laws that we should have opposed years ago, but people didn't because they assumed it was putting undesirables in jail.

A shocking amount of how fucked up the legal system is now tests squarely on the shoulders of Americans who see themselves as law abiding.
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i heard some of the trial opinions

some judicial experts on FOX NEWS precisely, were saying how if you're suspecting a crime that's going on, you call the police

you can't apprehend somebody just because you THINK he might be the perpetrator

can't just civilly arrest folks on the streets

they went hunting
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 80563402


That would undermine our entire civilization and form of government. That is the same as saying the police can't arrest someone for being suspected of a crime either. The government, nor any of it's administrators, can have any powers the people do not themselves possess. If I don't have the right to do something, then no agent who works on my behalf may have it either.

If I interrupt what appears to be a rape, are you suggesting I cannot apprehend and use force against the suspected person? If he attacked me am I not allowed to respond.

I'm not weighing on either side of this particular case, but the thinking you just put forth destroys the rule of law and makes anarchy inevitable.
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you need to witness the crime in order to have the right for citizen's arrest

the judge said that clearly before the final arguments
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Kyle rittenhouse was found innocent of the charges and rightfully so at the facts set it straight.


These three dumb asses earned this L and lawfully are going to pay the price.

They were guilty of their laws. Dumb asses got caught up in the vigilante justice and found out.
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Everyone should have a thorough understanding of the law in their jurisdiction before taking action. Most people don't.

Study up or spend life in jail.
 Quoting: SharkHorse


exactly

and you need to witness the crime in order to have the right to intervene and stop the supposed perpetrator

otherwise it's Wild West law
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There will be many inner city BBQs in celebration.

It is as if I can smell the chicken and ribs already..
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Bullshit verdict.


That filthy jogger was there to do crime.
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BINGO..and he actually grabbed at the gun as well.


This proves that the "Just Us" system in the USA is beyond broken and that the only way to get "Justice" in the USA is
vigilante Justice....


Forget the legal system and OLD WEST IS BEST!



Past record Arbery was arrested and CONVICTED for theft of a TV at a Walmart as well...

It's clear to me that the rash of thefts in that neighborhood were probably being caused by Arbery and maybe his friends as well.
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The 3 men were innocent! The house intruder was in that house to steal what he could get and the thief ran because a neighbor told him to GET OUT! He was not jogging lefty liars! And he had previous police problems. Had he not reached for that gun he would be alive today!
A hole jury! You damn jerks!
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Everyone should have a thorough understanding of the law in their jurisdiction before taking action. Most people don't.

Study up or spend life in jail.
 Quoting: SharkHorse


exactly

and you need to witness the crime in order to have the right to intervene and stop the supposed perpetrator

otherwise it's Wild West law
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 78423995


There is no way to excuse these clowns behavior.

Those doing it here arent about laws but their own laws that bereft others.
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I don't know if certain people are infused with political correctness, if they live inside a bubble or if they are paid to come here and comment that the decision was right.

The truth is that considering the comments here from now on if I see a black man robbing someone I won't move a single muscle to help.

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Watching Newsmax right now.

There are Nuffins partying in the street.

Keepin it real an shit.

:cownbread:
 Quoting: Gelatinous Mass


I'LL BET THESE CREEPS ARE PARTYING AND PROBABLY PARTIED WHEN THE DANCING GRANNY DIED!
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I know where you're coming from there, but even so.... the call should have been made if only just "to cover your ass".
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Yeah, I don't agree with what those 3 done to him at all. I'm just stating there are still some of us that are going to be hurt, dead, or robbed long before we ever see or hear from the police after we do call.
 Quoting: Hiram's Apprentice


Situation dependant. If seconds are a matter of life & death, take action first. These three had plenty of time to do the right thing before confronting the man. Play stupid games, win stupid prizes.
 Quoting: I hate stupid people


If you're being broken into then seconds are always a matter of life and death. I understand the castle law and how it applies here so I won't hesitate to use it. That being said I'm not dumb enough to leave my property and chase someone.


Exactly. These three were not in imminent danger. They instigated the confrontation & handled it VERY poorly.
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You people are ridiculous.

Justice system works when Kyle Rittenhouse got off.

But the justice system doesn't work now that 3 hillbillies are guilty? LOL
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Are they still going to riot?
Everything has got to be a THING today
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Guilty on all counts is the ONLY logical verdict that can be reached here.

If you fear for your life, call the cops.
You don't mount a posse of you and your boys all bearing shotguns and chase and almost run over a guy and then try to claim self defense when he's the one defending himself again you.

"Fists are weapons!"

That means anyone can be shot at any time for having hands.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 70428285


MORON! The fake joggers hands grabbed the man's gun!
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"Express malice involves an intent to kill. Implied malice is when the there is “no considerable provocation” and the circumstances of the killing “show an abandoned and malignant heart,” which essentially means the person has acted with extreme recklessness even if there was no intent to kill, said Georgia State University law professor Russell Covey."

So he had a malignant heart from having the gun taken away from him? I would like to hear more definition to understand how the hell this jury concluded on that charge.

Should have known they would convict him of everything because he is ginger and ugly incel-y, with a majority of the jury being women. Ditto the guy with the camera. Felony murder for the guy with the camera? Unbelievable on those two counts.
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If this verdict comes back not guilty I guarantee massive riots and the free shot army out in force
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No way that happens for the father and son. For the guy videotaping it - he's not guilty.
 Quoting: Linkin


havent paid attention to the case but how in the world would the person filming be charged with anything? did he fire at the kid?
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"Felony muder" a felony was comitted. You were involved; somebody died.
You are going down for felony murder.
I.E.
(You and your buddy rob a 7-11; you hold up the clerk at gun point; the clerk pulls his weapon and smokes your buddy. You are going away for "Felony murder".)
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There will be many inner city BBQs in celebration.

It is as if I can smell the chicken and ribs already..
 Quoting: Gelatinous Mass


When they fill their dirty guts will they then go rob a high end store?
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Re: Verdict watch now in Arbery case.
i heard some of the trial opinions

some judicial experts on FOX NEWS precisely, were saying how if you're suspecting a crime that's going on, you call the police

you can't apprehend somebody just because you THINK he might be the perpetrator

can't just civilly arrest folks on the streets

they went hunting
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 80563402


That would undermine our entire civilization and form of government. That is the same as saying the police can't arrest someone for being suspected of a crime either. The government, nor any of it's administrators, can have any powers the people do not themselves possess. If I don't have the right to do something, then no agent who works on my behalf may have it either.

If I interrupt what appears to be a rape, are you suggesting I cannot apprehend and use force against the suspected person? If he attacked me am I not allowed to respond.

I'm not weighing on either side of this particular case, but the thinking you just put forth destroys the rule of law and makes anarchy inevitable.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 13067080


you need to witness the crime in order to have the right for citizen's arrest

the judge said that clearly before the final arguments
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 78423995


Not entirely true, at least here in Texas. If you have probably cause to believe a felony was committed, you don't actually have to witness it in person.
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The 3 men were innocent! The house intruder was in that house to steal what he could get and the thief ran because a neighbor told him to GET OUT! He was not jogging lefty liars! And he had previous police problems. Had he not reached for that gun he would be alive today!
A hole jury! You damn jerks!
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 80821899


Thankfully we had wiser men create our laws then you dumb asses.

Priors dont mean you are guilty now. It doesn't mean you forfeit the same protections under the law.

These men went OUTSIDE the law and killed this man.
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Criminals almost ALWAYS escalate their criminal activities the longer they go undeterred and unpunished.


I bet that if Arbery wouldn't have been killed during this incident HE would have likely killed someone during a
burglary as time went on...
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This will be glorified on CNN and MSNBC homepages until XMAS.

while the terrorist driver attack went away yesterday because he was black
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if you agree with this verdict...you are the problem.

sidenote..if kyle's aggressors were black, he would've

been locked up too. #notwinning
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No way that happens for the father and son. For the guy videotaping it - he's not guilty.
 Quoting: Linkin


havent paid attention to the case but how in the world would the person filming be charged with anything? did he fire at the kid?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 9983835


Aiding and Abetting

Helping and encouraging.

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 Quoting: Terrebonne


"Felony muder" a felony was comitted. You were involved; somebody died.
You are going down for felony murder.
I.E.
(You and your buddy rob a 7-11; you hold up the clerk at gun point; the clerk pulls his weapon and smokes your buddy. You are going away for "Felony murder".)
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 77376498


My understanding is for felony murder, there has to be a direct line to the murder. There is no reason for the guy with the camera to anticipate the other two would possess a shotgun, nor anticipate that there could be a tussle for the shotgun that he didn't know existed because the prosecution probably never demonstrated any connection between these people (if they did it was not in the closing statements). There is evidence he may have committed felonies by 'assaulting' him with his vehicle, even though they don't know if he was hit. And going by the detail I saw of their paths, it looked like he was trying to force him in between the two vehicles, and if that is a felony: then he is guilty of that too. So while I think him being found guilty of a felony is reasonable, I don't think felony murder is reasonable. Based on what I know.

The message of that charge is that you can't assist strangers with citizens arrest, because something may go down that is beyond your power to stop it or even know about it and you can go behind bars for life... at least if you're an ugly incel-y looking man.

Remember, the standard should be reasonable doubt and innocent until proven guilty. If you have no factual evidence supporting a connection between these people, you can't assume it. It is the prosecutors duty to counter that with evidence.

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Guilty on all counts is the ONLY logical verdict that can be reached here.

If you fear for your life, call the cops.
You don't mount a posse of you and your boys all bearing shotguns and chase and almost run over a guy and then try to claim self defense when he's the one defending himself again you.

"Fists are weapons!"

That means anyone can be shot at any time for having hands.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 70428285


I agree with you 100% !!!!!!!!!!
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People need to look up how to make a citizens arrest. Those 3 did nothing right. Arbery had no weapon and he took nothing. Once he left the premises they should've let the police do their job. I don't care what his past is. As it pertains to what transpired he was hunted and murdered.
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I don't know a lot about this case. Someone in a youtube live chat wrote that Arbery tried to carjack someone, but I don't think that's accurate, is it?
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Didn't see everything in this case due to the overlap with the Rittenhouse case, but based on the closing arguments:

The father and son stopped following Arbery after he ran away. They stop pursuing him, and had no reason to expect the guy with the phone (camera) was going to push him back in their direction.

The father and son did not 'false imprison' Arbery.

The guy with the camera turned his car around and followed Arbery into the circumstances where he may have thought he needed to make a stand.

The guy with the camera may have false imprisoned Arbery. There is more evidence of that than for the other two. Since the guy with the camera did not have any reason to expect and was not complicit with the father and son in the other truck, even though he may have effectively chased him into a entrapment, non-deliberately.

And completely unaware that the other person in the other truck had a shotgun.

The prosecutor has charged malice murder, which I believe is ridiculous and can be overruled for all 3 (since the 'malice' here was Arbery trying to take the gun off him). They have also charged felony murder, which requires the murder to be committed during the act of a felony. The felony here is false imprisonment but:

a) I think there is no evidence the father and son were complicit in false imprisonment;
b) Even though there is evidence the guy with the camera was chasing him down, he was not complicit with murder because he was not complicit with the other two.

If the prosecution provided evidence of their complicity, I have not seen it and I don't believe she mentioned it.

The prosecution alleges 4 felonies. I don't see how they can possibly get it with false imprisonment. They also argue that a felony was the guy with the camera committing assault with the car. Once again, I don't think there is a direct unbroken line between this and the murder. And from what I understand, angling the car into his path (at 2mph, not believed to have hit Arbery) was defensive due to Arbery trying to open the car door.

A third felony I believe is that the son held a gun up to Arbery as he was coming back at them. And I don't know the legality of this as they were within their rights (best I can tell) to suspect him of committing a felony because: a) he trespassed (not a felony); and b) he may have committed theft (which is a felony over a certain amount).

As I understand it, you don't need proof that a person has committed a felony, but reasonable suspicion. And Arbery's behavior of running out of the place he had trespassed into (doesn't look like a jog to me) certainly arouses suspicion. And as I understand it, he does not need to tell him it is a citizens arrest, but according to their testimony they did try talking to him but he was silent.
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They held him at the barrel of a shotgun. How do you consider that not to be wrongful imprisonment ? As for citizens arrest, you must actually WITNESS a crime not just suspect one. The property was and is not fenced off, it was unoccupied and no signs posted against trespassing. I know I myself have walked up to empty houses under construction just to see what they are doing as far as construction, that’s not a crime. Even have had security come while I was there and they were fine with it as clearly I wasn’t hauling off equipment or construction supplies nor vandalism. Neither did the man these guys killed. This is the right verdict, you just need to pull your racist head out of your ass to see





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