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Verdict watch now in Arbery case.

 
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This will be glorified on CNN and MSNBC homepages until XMAS.

while the terrorist driver attack went away yesterday because he was black
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Yep. And they aren't even satisfied with the verdict, just heard a statement read on Newsmax (by an Ahmaud supporter) that this isn't true justice, true justice would be that it never happened at all.

Always pissed off and unsatisfied. There's the excuse to go loot all their free stuff tonight.
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Guilty on all counts is the ONLY logical verdict that can be reached here.

If you fear for your life, call the cops.
You don't mount a posse of you and your boys all bearing shotguns and chase and almost run over a guy and then try to claim self defense when he's the one defending himself again you.

"Fists are weapons!"

That means anyone can be shot at any time for having hands.
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Acquitted on all charges is the verdict that may save more hood rat lives.

But go ahead? Convict those dumb fkrs for what 70% of MEN wish we'd be doing anyway. Jog right in and SEE if we home yo yo yo
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you can't start an altercation and claim self defense

just on on FOX NEWS

that you don't repeat the mistake


this is Georgia's law FYI
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This will be glorified on CNN and MSNBC homepages until XMAS.

while the terrorist driver attack went away yesterday because he was black
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Yep. And they aren't even satisfied with the verdict, just heard a statement read on Newsmax (by an Ahmaud supporter) that this isn't true justice, true justice would be that it never happened at all.

Always pissed off and unsatisfied. There's the excuse to go loot all their free stuff tonight.
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Yup, exactly.

Fuck them.
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Re: Verdict watch now in Arbery case.
People need to look up how to make a citizens arrest. Those 3 did nothing right. Arbery had no weapon and he took nothing. Once he left the premises they should've let the police do their job. I don't care what his past is. As it pertains to what transpired he was hunted and murdered.
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I don't know a lot about this case. Someone in a youtube live chat wrote that Arbery tried to carjack someone, but I don't think that's accurate, is it?
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They were claiming Arbery was trying to get into the car of the guy with the camera, without saying a word. The guy with the camera said he angled the car into his path, risking hitting him, in order to stop his attempts to get into his car. The prosecution alleged that was felony assault. That was probably one of the felonies he was convicted of to make up the charge of felony murder.

I did hear he may have attempted to hit him several other times, but I don't know anything about that or whether it is all just bullsh!t.

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The new 'WOKE' justice system lesson learned.

You must let habitual criminal's steal anything they want!

When they do not stop when you say 'stop, I have a weapon'.. because they might be stupid enough to try to pull the gun out of your hands and kill themselves!

You don't have the right to protect your property or anyone else's..with threat of a weapon.

And make sure they are white!

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Didn't see everything in this case due to the overlap with the Rittenhouse case, but based on the closing arguments:

The father and son stopped following Arbery after he ran away. They stop pursuing him, and had no reason to expect the guy with the phone (camera) was going to push him back in their direction.

The father and son did not 'false imprison' Arbery.

The guy with the camera turned his car around and followed Arbery into the circumstances where he may have thought he needed to make a stand.

The guy with the camera may have false imprisoned Arbery. There is more evidence of that than for the other two. Since the guy with the camera did not have any reason to expect and was not complicit with the father and son in the other truck, even though he may have effectively chased him into a entrapment, non-deliberately.

And completely unaware that the other person in the other truck had a shotgun.

The prosecutor has charged malice murder, which I believe is ridiculous and can be overruled for all 3 (since the 'malice' here was Arbery trying to take the gun off him). They have also charged felony murder, which requires the murder to be committed during the act of a felony. The felony here is false imprisonment but:

a) I think there is no evidence the father and son were complicit in false imprisonment;
b) Even though there is evidence the guy with the camera was chasing him down, he was not complicit with murder because he was not complicit with the other two.

If the prosecution provided evidence of their complicity, I have not seen it and I don't believe she mentioned it.

The prosecution alleges 4 felonies. I don't see how they can possibly get it with false imprisonment. They also argue that a felony was the guy with the camera committing assault with the car. Once again, I don't think there is a direct unbroken line between this and the murder. And from what I understand, angling the car into his path (at 2mph, not believed to have hit Arbery) was defensive due to Arbery trying to open the car door.

A third felony I believe is that the son held a gun up to Arbery as he was coming back at them. And I don't know the legality of this as they were within their rights (best I can tell) to suspect him of committing a felony because: a) he trespassed (not a felony); and b) he may have committed theft (which is a felony over a certain amount).

As I understand it, you don't need proof that a person has committed a felony, but reasonable suspicion. And Arbery's behavior of running out of the place he had trespassed into (doesn't look like a jog to me) certainly arouses suspicion. And as I understand it, he does not need to tell him it is a citizens arrest, but according to their testimony they did try talking to him but he was silent.
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They held him at the barrel of a shotgun. How do you consider that not to be wrongful imprisonment ? As for citizens arrest, you must actually WITNESS a crime not just suspect one. The property was and is not fenced off, it was unoccupied and no signs posted against trespassing. I know I myself have walked up to empty houses under construction just to see what they are doing as far as construction, that’s not a crime. Even have had security come while I was there and they were fine with it as clearly I wasn’t hauling off equipment or construction supplies nor vandalism. Neither did the man these guys killed. This is the right verdict, you just need to pull your racist head out of your ass to see
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It should be noted I had revised my points in this post, which was my earliest post here. I said felony murder may be plausible for the father and son. This included potentially assaulting Arbery by raising his gun in his direction, although I had issue with whether that constituted the same act as the homicide.

Furthermore, it is complicated (despite how ugly they are) by the fact that they had seen footage of Arbery repeatedly trespassing in a location where items were stolen (from a boat) and fleeing from the scene. I don't know the law, but my instinct is raising the gun towards someone who potentially committed a felony is not the first aggression.

And that was said to have been the standard in the closing statements: you don't need to know they had committed a felony for a detainment, all you need is reasonable suspicion. Doesn't matter if he had any stolen possessions on him, that is 20:20 hindsight.

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People need to look up how to make a citizens arrest. Those 3 did nothing right. Arbery had no weapon and he took nothing. Once he left the premises they should've let the police do their job. I don't care what his past is. As it pertains to what transpired he was hunted and murdered.
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I don't know a lot about this case. Someone in a youtube live chat wrote that Arbery tried to carjack someone, but I don't think that's accurate, is it?
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They were claiming Arbery was trying to get into the car of the guy with the camera, without saying a word. The guy with the camera said he angled the car into his path, risking hitting him, in order to stop his attempts to get into his car. The prosecution alleged that was felony assault. That was probably one of the felonies he was convicted of to make up the charge of felony murder.

I did hear he may have attempted to hit him several other times, but I don't know anything about that or whether it is all just bullsh!t.
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Weird. Doesn't sound true or logical, but if someone actually gets into your vehicle and has a gun or is manhandling/threatening you, then you have a right to shoot them, but of course that's not what happened. He was not armed and there was no reason to try and run over him.
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Guilty on all counts is the ONLY logical verdict that can be reached here.

If you fear for your life, call the cops.
You don't mount a posse of you and your boys all bearing shotguns and chase and almost run over a guy and then try to claim self defense when he's the one defending himself again you.

"Fists are weapons!"

That means anyone can be shot at any time for having hands.
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I don't know what exactly you seem to be watching but here are some FACTS about case.

[youtube] [link to www.youtube.com (secure)]
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Re: Verdict watch now in Arbery case.
People need to look up how to make a citizens arrest. Those 3 did nothing right. Arbery had no weapon and he took nothing. Once he left the premises they should've let the police do their job. I don't care what his past is. As it pertains to what transpired he was hunted and murdered.
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I don't know a lot about this case. Someone in a youtube live chat wrote that Arbery tried to carjack someone, but I don't think that's accurate, is it?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 81005644


They were claiming Arbery was trying to get into the car of the guy with the camera, without saying a word. The guy with the camera said he angled the car into his path, risking hitting him, in order to stop his attempts to get into his car. The prosecution alleged that was felony assault. That was probably one of the felonies he was convicted of to make up the charge of felony murder.

I did hear he may have attempted to hit him several other times, but I don't know anything about that or whether it is all just bullsh!t.
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Weird. Doesn't sound true or logical, but if someone actually gets into your vehicle and has a gun or is manhandling/threatening you, then you have a right to shoot them, but of course that's not what happened. He was not armed and there was no reason to try and run over him.
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He was also driving about 2mph at this point. I'm not sure if he sped up afterward as his camera moves away from the dash and there are a bunch of noises I never personally analyzed. I'm not sure when the contact with the door handle occurred. They pulled Arbery's DNA or fingerprints from the side of the car, but I'm not sure if that included the door handle.

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I don't know a lot about this case. Someone in a youtube live chat wrote that Arbery tried to carjack someone, but I don't think that's accurate, is it?
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They were claiming Arbery was trying to get into the car of the guy with the camera, without saying a word. The guy with the camera said he angled the car into his path, risking hitting him, in order to stop his attempts to get into his car. The prosecution alleged that was felony assault. That was probably one of the felonies he was convicted of to make up the charge of felony murder.

I did hear he may have attempted to hit him several other times, but I don't know anything about that or whether it is all just bullsh!t.
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Weird. Doesn't sound true or logical, but if someone actually gets into your vehicle and has a gun or is manhandling/threatening you, then you have a right to shoot them, but of course that's not what happened. He was not armed and there was no reason to try and run over him.
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He was also driving about 2mph at this point. I'm not sure if he sped up afterward as his camera moves away from the dash and there are a bunch of noises I never personally analyzed. I'm not sure when the contact with the door handle occurred. They pulled Arbery's DNA or fingerprints from the side of the car, but I'm not sure if that included the door handle.
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Thanks for the info.
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Guilty on all counts is the ONLY logical verdict that can be reached here.

If you fear for your life, call the cops.
You don't mount a posse of you and your boys all bearing shotguns and chase and almost run over a guy and then try to claim self defense when he's the one defending himself again you.

"Fists are weapons!"

That means anyone can be shot at any time for having hands.
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I don't know what exactly you seem to be watching but here are some FACTS about case.

[youtube] [link to www.youtube.com (secure)]
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Interesting video, thanks. Too bad this guy was not on their case leading their lawyers. But, then again, you have a jury of people scared shitless of the very type of guy Arbury was, so, of course, they will convict.

It is similar to all the corporations donating to blm and insisting on crt to their employees, they think if they appease a certain group, they won't be robbed or their stores burned.

Not saying that the three guys were the brightest, but they were NOT murderers.

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This makes me sick to my stomach, they have no problem shooting each other. Innocent jogger my ass
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People need to look up how to make a citizens arrest. Those 3 did nothing right. Arbery had no weapon and he took nothing. Once he left the premises they should've let the police do their job. I don't care what his past is. As it pertains to what transpired he was hunted and murdered.
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I don't know a lot about this case. Someone in a youtube live chat wrote that Arbery tried to carjack someone, but I don't think that's accurate, is it?
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They were claiming Arbery was trying to get into the car of the guy with the camera, without saying a word. The guy with the camera said he angled the car into his path, risking hitting him, in order to stop his attempts to get into his car. The prosecution alleged that was felony assault. That was probably one of the felonies he was convicted of to make up the charge of felony murder.

I did hear he may have attempted to hit him several other times, but I don't know anything about that or whether it is all just bullsh!t.
 Quoting: GooPile


If he was trying to get into the truck, perhaps he was trying to get away from the guy with the gun.

If he ran away, they would have shot him, so he tried to save himself. Get into the truck and lock the door. Grab the gun so McMichael couldn't shoot him.

The guy was just trying to save himself.

When I first saw a photo of Arbery, I thought he was autistic. He looks like it in every photo of him, but I'm not sure if the family ever brought that up.

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They chased a delinquent low life ROBBER. All he had to do to not be shot is sit down and wait for police, but no. He ATTACKED THEM. Black panthers showed up. Jury intimidation. If he was WHITE this would be different. "He was scared" Well he shouldn't have been a thieving soab then. Don't agree with verdict at all.
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They chased a delinquent low life ROBBER. All he had to do to not be shot is sit down and wait for police, but no. He ATTACKED THEM. Black panthers showed up. Jury intimidation. If he was WHITE this would be different. "He was scared" Well he shouldn't have been a thieving soab then. Don't agree with verdict at all.
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He was attacking g them to get away because he knows he was guilty as hell.
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It seems like everybody the black community champions is a low life criminal with a rap sheet.
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It seems like everybody the black community champions is a low life criminal with a rap sheet.
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True, like that Catholic university that is displaying a painting of George Floyd as Jesus slumped in Mary's arms.
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You can't start an altercation and claim self-defense, Georgia's law, why the guys were convicted

The meaning of altercation is a noisy, heated, angry dispute; also : noisy controversy.

so if you start a heating argument with somebody, the guy attacks you and you kill him

that's murder or what

that's a thin ice charlie
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I have to add this- They were ON THE PHONE with the police at the time of the incident. He ran around the truck and tried to take the shot gun! This goes back to the basics of protecting your community from crime. We have a right to protect our home and our neighbors homes, and neighborhood from criminals! Aubrey could have ran a multitude of ways away from the guys, but he choose to run right to them! Each state is different with regards to local laws. Not to mention this incident was a few doors down from the McMichael's house, not like it was a blocks away. Play stupid games by trying to take the man's gun, win stupid prizes by getting shot. Maybe common sense needs to be taught in schools!
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you can't start an altercation and claim self defense

just on on FOX NEWS

that you don't repeat the mistake


this is Georgia's law FYI
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Umm this is everybody's law.
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I have to add this- They were ON THE PHONE with the police at the time of the incident. He ran around the truck and tried to take the shot gun! This goes back to the basics of protecting your community from crime. We have a right to protect our home and our neighbors homes, and neighborhood from criminals! Aubrey could have ran a multitude of ways away from the guys, but he choose to run right to them! Each state is different with regards to local laws. Not to mention this incident was a few doors down from the McMichael's house, not like it was a blocks away. Play stupid games by trying to take the man's gun, win stupid prizes by getting shot. Maybe common sense needs to be taught in schools!
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Except that he didn't commit any crime. They told police that their emergency was a black man running down the street. It's good to see you racist fucks coming out of the woodwork to defend murder.
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NEWSMAX just announced the three men will face hate crime charges in February.
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NEWSMAX just announced the three men will face hate crime charges in February.
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Do all the black people that kill white people, get charged with hate crime ? asking for a friend
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NEWSMAX just announced the three men will face hate crime charges in February.
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Do all the black people that kill white people, get charged with hate crime ? asking for a friend
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McMichael stood over his dead body and shouted out the N word.
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Knowing how generous the judge was to the prosecution in the concessions before the trial and ruling out practically everything the defense tried to get through based on what I was reading, and how coldly he shot down defense motions in the parts of the trial I saw.

I thought for certain he would have a grin on his face as he quickly flicked between those juror pages, but I didn't see that. In fact, I thought it was going to be not guilty based on his expression. So maybe that judge isn't as biased as I was expecting. I seem to remember the Chauvin judge had a bit of a grin that he then fought off when he read the charges.

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They chased a delinquent low life ROBBER. All he had to do to not be shot is sit down and wait for police, but no. He ATTACKED THEM. Black panthers showed up. Jury intimidation. If he was WHITE this would be different. "He was scared" Well he shouldn't have been a thieving soab then. Don't agree with verdict at all.
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Blame the victim? He had every right to defend himself from 2 thugs. They arent cops. Get it through ur head. You are biased against black people.
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Knowing how generous the judge was to the prosecution in the concessions before the trial and ruling out practically everything the defense tried to get through based on what I was reading, and how coldly he shot down defense motions in the parts of the trial I saw.

I thought for certain he would have a grin on his face as he quickly flicked between those juror pages, but I didn't see that. In fact, I thought it was going to be not guilty based on his expression. So maybe that judge isn't as biased as I was expecting. I seem to remember the Chauvin judge had a bit of a grin that he then fought off when he read the charges.
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Look, I'm sorry it didn't go your way this time. Buck up buttercup, I'm sure there will be another racist murder happen soon enough that will make you feel better.
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It seems like everybody the black community champions is a low life criminal with a rap sheet.
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True, like that Catholic university that is displaying a painting of George Floyd as Jesus slumped in Mary's arms.
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White folks will throw a white criminal under the bus in a second.....but blacks never do wrong according to BLM.
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NEWSMAX just announced the three men will face hate crime charges in February.
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Do all the black people that kill white people, get charged with hate crime ? asking for a friend
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I don't think "hate crime" charges should exist. Just charge everyone equally for what they did.





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