Is the Man-Child of Revelation 12 the Lord Jesus Christ, or perhaps another?

Yes, the man hold is ‘Jesus’ and the woman is Israel.

Interesting considering that even the interpretation of the ANTI-CHRIST gets lost in translation for the lack of a better description at the time which has become diluted and politicized

Instead of ANTI-Christ, the translation is more akin to the OPPOSITE of Christ, whether that be female, or perhaps you have provided the other alternative

More like whore of Babylon

There's a guy here that claims it is himself.

Really..

i dunno, will you actually read gnostic, coptic and esoteric christian manuscripts ?? or will you just read your buyBull ?

The answer lies in this decision.. i'd say good luck but your kind's stubbornness to claim a book from something without appreciating and loving the book's lineage is half the reason why all of you are in this mess.

you call the early christianity paganism at the behest of romanus' Canon.. pray-tell were romans inherently a monotheistic or polytheistic religion to begin with ??

:-/

Isaiah 11:10 10In that day the Root of Jesse will stand as a banner for the peoples; the nations will rally to him, and his resting place will be glorious.

Romans 15:12 12And again, Isaiah says, "The Root of Jesse will spring up, one who will arise to rule over the nations; in him the Gentiles will hope."

Isaiah 11:1 1A shoot will come up from the stump of Jesse; from his roots a Branch will bear fruit.

There is a son born to Naomi; and they called his name Obed: he is the father of Jesse, the father of David.

Jesus says He will give His title of the Morning Star to another individual.

This individual bears an identity only the individual himself knows.

He rules the nations with an iron rod and shatters them to pieces. In other words, demonstrates total power over the nations.

He also sits on the throne of God supposedly, but is NOT Jesus or God because Jesus said He would confess this individual's name before God and God's angels.

I go back to Revelation 2 and 3 because there is a lot in these little scriptures that speak of a person, a man-child that Jesus seems to put enough emphasis on that Jesus gives him the morning star.

Now, this could be a metaphor or an allusion to the body of believers, that the body will rule the nations. However, the fact Jesus gives "him" the morning star and confesses "his" name to God and God's angels could in fact defer that transliteration.

There are details in Revelation 2 and Revelation 3 that are far overlooked.

I am on this website. Feel free to ask away. I also made the Heavens and the Earth.

It’s just a video game. I’m a squid.

i think its your mom

Yo mama's so fat, she brought a spoon to the Super Bowl.

Obviously if it's written nobody will know who he is but only himself, he wouldn't be telling people. Makes zero sense given the appropriate context.

Also, He isn't God or Jesus either.

God is a Spirit and Jesus already came in the flesh and returns on clouds of great power and glory seen by every eye, including the dead.


Either way, I guess the thread has officially ended. Time to get back to Jesus and not man-child xyz.

The Bible is the ONLY Scripture we need

Yes other texts can open our eyes, but an educated man can learn something new and still hold onto truth.

Also about Gnostic texts. 99 percent is garbage .

I used to think oh yes all these texts outside of the Bible

Guess what? Everything pointed back to the Bible

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True!

You guys are fucking dumb…. Just give me money kill me or leave me alone

you've all said that for awhile now,

too bad it took thousands upon thousands of spiking, burning at the stakes and stretching for the gnostics to fall in line and confess your yahweh sabaoth

now the heavenly storehouses are filled with blood

and thank god for the precious people who stored the writings and archaeology of all the scribes and sages thru-out the centuries... soon their resurfacing will be like a seed of light-knowledge on the world and you'll come to fruition (at cost to your salvation most likely)


Adonaiou Sabaoth: the Portion of the Lion
Sabaoth, over the sphere of Venus

there's your morning star, Lucifer --
too bad he has charge of half the Elders :/


Thus said, Eleleth raised a hand, the fingers of which appeared tattooed with markings like the feathers of the peacock, and thereupon appeared a scene of great terror. I saw before me, spread to the horizon, a great wasteland of red dust, and I knew it to be the desert of the World of Forms. And thereupon erupted a mighty column of smoke and fire in the shape of a mushroom, and the desert disappeared, or rather was superimposed upon a city of paper, and a hot wind of death spewed forth, destroying all in its path, and I knew that this was the Weapon of the Archon, and that a Great and Secret Person of Knowledge– indeed, a Messenger of the Light– had perished in this conflagration, and that no person in the World of Forms would ever know the identity of that Messenger of the Light.

does it pain you that Paul, John, James and the others wrote protected gnostic documents ??

There are two children, Jesus/Jacob/Israel/Lucifer, and Jerusalem/Judah/Zion/Babylon.

Floating away on a cloud? Have you ever been on a cloud? Being a pilot, been thru and "on clouds" they don't have any support. Of course bronze age writers didn't know that. But they did believe or lied.

Watch this OP, and it will tell you who the man child is with solid Biblical referances.

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Considering the Son of Man walked on water, and could pass through walls, his ascension upon a cloud ain't that hard to believe.

You doubt the power of God?

Watched it. But I have a tendency to disagree the man-child is the Church. Paul and even Jesus referred to the Church as a woman, not a man-child. I think something else is actually going on because even the individual is granted the morning star.

Not sure how anybody but Jesus could have this title, but in fact the Lord seems to impart this position to someone, not something (the church).

It grammatically doesn't line up.

Still, pretty informative and grateful this brother has shared likewise with you.

Twin brothers.

Jesus is NOT lucifer.

Holy carp in deep waters... why has Satan confused such a helpless group of individuals to infer that the Son of Man was lucifer.

Lucifer was God's seal of perfection, his highest created being of beauty and perfection and because he became proud of his status as the morning star, and his exalted position decided to be like the Most High God.

Lucifer was cast out of Heaven.

Jesus was sent to Earth on behalf of mankind.

Lucifer was cast down.

Even Jesus said he beheld Satan fall like lightning from the heights.

Lord have mercy that some actually believe our Holy God and Savior is Lucifer...

I rebuke your false teaching in Jesus' Name. It does nothing but cause confusion. There is no biblical support of this lame idea except for that the original light bearer, Lucifer was the first with the morning star title.

Jesus, after defeat sin, death, and the works of Lucifer (satan) received the title of morning star.

Jesus is the Lord, none are like Him.

When it says ONLY BEGOTTEN OF THE FATHER, that is what it means.

God cannot lie.

You guys are so uneducated and lost in some really odd false teachings.

Making up stuff as you go along.

Get a clue and stop spreading lies!

Should I A: Go back to slangin' Pope?
Or should I B: Maintain and try to cope?
Or should I C: Just get crazy and wild?
But no I chose D: Create the Man-Child

The sun and moon.yawn.

I mean technically the vaccines are injected using stainless steel. Stainless steel is a ferrous alloy. To my knowledge the text never specified the size of said rod of iron. Is the vaccine not dividing nations and even family?

Glad you watched, and I see your point about the church usually being referred to in the female (bride) however, it is only a sign and as there are many in the church who are male although the church is referred to as the “bride”. Likewise there are many females in the church even though the church is referred to as the “body of Christ” (who is male) so symbology must be recognized either way and isn’t exclusive one way or the other.

I think that’s what this study was pointing out is that when the church is associated with the body of Christ, it has to be associated with the Male Child because how would the Head (Christ) be male and the rest of the body (the Church) be female? It would make no sense.
Anyway, glad you watched and enjoyed it.

I am wondering what you were referencing about the morning star - I have seen this reference in the earlier chapters of Revelation but did not see what reference you were mentioning in this chapter of Revelation, please elaborate a little if you would like.

The iron rod is a symbolism. But then the whole book is and totally misinterpreted.

The iron rod symbolises the kundalini ascending up. Kundalini is all over the bible as well as all ancient history.

The child is born from a mother who is ascended through kundalini. She can not hold much iron as the child takes all its reserves. This is due to the high frequencies within the child whilst in the womb. Before being conceived the mother ascends kundalini and ascends up straight through the 12 dimensions. Right into the void/unmanifest where realisation and judgment of the self takes place. The kingdom of celestial descends. ( bible calls it heaven) the mother is then seeded and descends back to its setting. The kundalini continues to stir until the child is conceived. The child is the seed and that seed within the child then expands as the child develops. Kundalini becomes active on the child but the child’s energy is much stronger than the mothers. The rod of iron is in the child. The mother knows the child is the seed but the child is also aware on first breath of life.

Iron is needed for kundalini energy to rise. The child’s seed has more reserves than most. When the child’s kundalini rises. All will know.

As much as ppl in this day in age think they understand the bible. They actually are no where near understanding it. Humans language was much different then and how we perceive is way different now.

The problem you have is that you do not understand the word "Christ".
Christ is the anointed Messiah, sent to save Israel and to rule the World.
He is God in the Flesh. Note I said "he" as no Woman would be allowed to do this. It violates the tenants of Israel's religion. Plus the scriptures declare the Anti Christ to be a man.

"Anti" or the opposite of Christ, is one who comes to enslave with a False religion and false claims.
The Anti Christ will claim to be "god in the flesh", their Messiah, but will just be a man.( Jesus was, God in the Flesh and the true Messiah).
He will require to be worshipped in place of God. He will lead people to Hell rather than "save" their souls.
He will break God's laws that Israel was to keep and expect everyone to follow his example.
He will be an opposite of what Christ was when he was on earth. Christ was a man of Peace, the Anti Christ will be a man of War.