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Vamps333 User ID: 71361755 United Kingdom 12/01/2021 10:11 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Says he will rule the nations with an iron rod. Quoting: InChristAmen Jesus says someone else will rule the nations at the time of the end. Jesus ascended into Heaven, whereas this man-child is "caught up to God and His throne" The word for "caught up" is the same as 1 Thessalonians 4:16, or to be raptured... the greek word used is "harpazo" which means to "forcefully seize or snatch". Jesus didn't forcefully get carried away, He ascended into a cloud. Looking for people who study the Word to offer any input. Anyways, just looking at the scriptures tonight. Interesting considering that even the interpretation of the ANTI-CHRIST gets lost in translation for the lack of a better description at the time which has become diluted and politicized Instead of ANTI-Christ, the translation is more akin to the OPPOSITE of Christ, whether that be female, or perhaps you have provided the other alternative The problem you have is that you do not understand the word "Christ". Christ is the anointed Messiah, sent to save Israel and to rule the World. He is God in the Flesh. Note I said "he" as no Woman would be allowed to do this. It violates the tenants of Israel's religion. Plus the scriptures declare the Anti Christ to be a man. "Anti" or the opposite of Christ, is one who comes to enslave with a False religion and false claims. The Anti Christ will claim to be "god in the flesh", their Messiah, but will just be a man.( Jesus was, God in the Flesh and the true Messiah). He will require to be worshipped in place of God. He will lead people to Hell rather than "save" their souls. He will break God's laws that Israel was to keep and expect everyone to follow his example. He will be an opposite of what Christ was when he was on earth. Christ was a man of Peace, the Anti Christ will be a man of War. I'll just leave this here... “I have come to set the world on fire, and I wish it were already burning! |
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User ID: 78953457 United States 12/01/2021 02:29 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | When he had thus prayed Jesus said unto him: Bartholomew, my Father did name me Christ, that I might come down upon earth and anoint every man that cometh unto me with the oil of life: and he did call me Jesus that I might heal every sin of them that know not . . . and give unto men the truth of God. Then Michael came; he summoned all the troops of angels and told them, "Bow down before the likeness and the image of the divinity." And then, when Michael summoned them and all had bowed down to you, he summoned me also. And I told him, "Go away from me, for I shall not bow down to him who is younger than me; indeed, I am master prior to him and it is proper for him to bow down to me. And God sent to them the archangel Michael, who is in charge of the souls, and he told Seth, "Man of God, do not labor to supplicate thus concerning the olive tree, in command to anoint your father Adam. but God is relative, don't you think by now ? Pistis sophia's el'eleth - Daveithai's zoe |
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Elijah The Fiery Prophet User ID: 81381499 United Kingdom 12/01/2021 03:13 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | For the Christ is the same as the Ennead, Bardo Thodol, Hopi, et cetera are the essenes of Holy Qumran [not Quran]. And Lord Jesus is our Christ of the Lord. And behold, there was a man in Jerusalem, whose name was Simeon, and this man was just and God-fearing, awaiting the consolation of Israel. And the Holy Spirit was with him. And he had received an answer from the Holy Spirit: that he would not see his own death before he had seen the Christ of the Lord. - Luke 2:26-27 Lord is slow to anger and great in power, and not guilty. The Lord is in a tempest, and a whirlwind, and clouds are the dust of his feet. - Nahum 1:2 For behold, the Lord will arrive with fire, and his four-horse chariots will be like a whirlwind: to render his wrath with indignation, and his rebuke with flames of fire. - Isaiah 66:17 [link to godlike.com (secure)] How awesome are you, Elijah! Whose glory is equal to yours? You brought a dead man back to life from the nether world, by the will of the LORD. You sent kings down to destruction, and nobles, from their beds of sickness. You heard threats at Sinai, at Horeb avenging judgments. You anointed kings who should inflict vengeance, and a prophet as your successor. You were taken aloft in a whirlwind, in a chariot with fiery horses. You are destined, it is written, in time to come to put an end to wrath before the day of the LORD, - Ben Sira 48:3-10 |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 81099153 United States 12/01/2021 05:21 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | The iron rod is a symbolism. But then the whole book is and totally misinterpreted. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 79260144 The iron rod symbolises the kundalini ascending up. Kundalini is all over the bible as well as all ancient history. The child is born from a mother who is ascended through kundalini. She can not hold much iron as the child takes all its reserves. This is due to the high frequencies within the child whilst in the womb. Before being conceived the mother ascends kundalini and ascends up straight through the 12 dimensions. Right into the void/unmanifest where realisation and judgment of the self takes place. The kingdom of celestial descends. ( bible calls it heaven) the mother is then seeded and descends back to its setting. The kundalini continues to stir until the child is conceived. The child is the seed and that seed within the child then expands as the child develops. Kundalini becomes active on the child but the child’s energy is much stronger than the mothers. The rod of iron is in the child. The mother knows the child is the seed but the child is also aware on first breath of life. Iron is needed for kundalini energy to rise. The child’s seed has more reserves than most. When the child’s kundalini rises. All will know. As much as ppl in this day in age think they understand the bible. They actually are no where near understanding it. Humans language was much different then and how we perceive is way different now. Kundalini is the energy of the serpent. Check yourself friend. This energy has nothing to do with Christ |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 81385362 United States 12/01/2021 06:23 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Is the Man-Child of Revelation 12 the Lord Jesus Christ, or perhaps another? This answer to this is very simple actually: The Lord Jesus Christ is the 'head' of the body, the church [see: Eph. 5:23; Col 1:18], while the true regenerate believers who make up the NT church are 'the body' of Christ together - the 'head' and the 'body' are the 'man child' and they are 'caught up' - this is referring to the rapture |
Vamps333 User ID: 10093868 United Kingdom 12/01/2021 06:24 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | What does "Man-Child" mean ? Immature msn who is actually a child? Man with the innocence of a child? Quoting: Anonymous Coward 11811560 Literally reborn, a child in a man's body, a little immature a little innocent but I'm sure I'll grow up. “Truly, truly, I say to you, unless one is born again he cannot see the kingdom of God.” 4 Nicodemus said to him, “How can a man be born when he is old? Can he enter a second time into his mother's womb and be born?” 5 Jesus answered, “Truly, truly, I say to you, unless one is born of water and the Spirit, he cannot enter the kingdom of God. 6 That which is born of the flesh is flesh, and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit.[c] 7 Do not marvel that I said to you, ‘You[d] must be born again.’ 8 The wind[e] blows where it wishes, and you hear its sound, but you do not know where it comes from or where it goes. So it is with everyone who is born of the Spirit.” |
Metatron The Fiery Lucifer User ID: 81384387 United Kingdom 12/01/2021 07:03 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Thus says the Lord: Heaven is my throne, and the earth is my footstool. What is this house that you would build for me? And what is this place of my rest? My hand has made all these things, and all these things have been made, says the Lord. But upon whom will I look with favor, except upon a poor little one, who is contrite in spirit, and who trembles at my words? Whoever immolates an ox, it is as if he slaughters a man. Whoever sacrifices a sheep, it is as if he is smashing the head of a dog. Whoever offers an oblation, it is as if he is offering swine’s blood. Whoever makes remembrance with incense, it is as if he is blessing an idol. All these things, they have chosen according to their own ways, and their soul has taken delight in their own abominations. Therefore, I also will choose their illusions, and I will lead over them the things that they feared. For I called, and there was no one who would respond. I have spoken, and they have not listened. And they have done evil in my eyes; and what I did not will, they have chosen. Listen to the word of the Lord, you who tremble at his word. Your brothers, who hate you and who cast you out because of my name, have said: “Let the Lord be glorified, and we will see by your rejoicing.” But they themselves will be confounded. A voice of the people from the city! A voice from the temple! The voice of the Lord repaying retribution to his enemies! Before she was in labor, she gave birth. Before her time arrived for delivery, she gave birth to a male child. Who has ever heard of such a thing? And who has seen anything like this? Will the earth give birth in one day? Or will a nation be born all at once? For Zion has been in labor, and she has given birth to her sons. Will I, who causes others to give birth, not also give birth myself, says the Lord? Will I, who bestows generation upon others, be barren myself, says the Lord your God? Rejoice with Jerusalem, and exult in her, all you who love her! Rejoice greatly with her, all you who mourn over her! So may you nurse and be filled, from the breasts of her consolations. So may you receive milk and overflow with delights, from every portion of her glory. For thus says the Lord: Behold, I will turn a river of peace toward her, with an inundating torrent: the glory of the Gentiles, from which you will nurse. You will be carried at the breasts, and they will caress you upon the knees. In the manner of one whom a mother caresses, so will I console you. And you will be consoled in Jerusalem. You will see, and your heart will be glad, and your bones will flourish like a plant, and the hand of the Lord will be known to his servants, and he will be angry with his enemies. For behold, the Lord will arrive with fire, and his four-horse chariots will be like a whirlwind: to render his wrath with indignation, and his rebuke with flames of fire. For the Lord will divide with fire, and with his sword among all flesh, and those slain by the Lord will be many. Those who were sanctified, who thought themselves to be clean in the gardens behind the inner gate, who were eating swine’s flesh, and the abomination, and the mouse: they will be consumed all at once, says the Lord. But I know their works and their thoughts. I am arriving, so that I may gather them together with all nations and languages. And they will approach, and they will see my glory. And I will set a sign among them. And I will send some of those who will have been saved to the Gentiles in the sea, to Africa, and to those who draw the bow in Lydia, to Italy and Greece, to islands far away, to those who have not heard of me, and to those who have not seen my glory. And they will announce my glory to the Gentiles. And they will lead all of your brothers from all of the Gentiles as a gift to the Lord, on horses, and in four-horse chariots, and on stretchers, and on mules, and in coaches, to my holy mountain Jerusalem, says the Lord, in the same manner that the sons of Israel would carry an offering in a pure vessel into the house of the Lord. And I will take from them to be priests and Levites, says the Lord. For in like manner as the new heavens and the new earth, which I will cause to stand before me, says the Lord, so will your offspring and your name stand. And there will be month after month, and Sabbath after Sabbath. And all flesh will approach, so as to adore before my face, says the Lord. And they will go out, and they will view the carcasses of the men who have transgressed against me. Their worm will not die, and their fire will not be extinguished. And they will be a sight to all flesh even unto revulsion. - Isaiah 66:1-24 "Here begin the praises and glorifications, going out and in the domain of god, having benefit in the beautiful West, coming out by day, taking any shape he likes, playing at Senet, sitting in a booth, and coming out as a living soul. After he has arrived in port, Osiris, the scribe Ani, said: 'It is beneficial to him who does it on Earth.'" - Papyrus of Osiris Ani in Adoration of Re, Egyptian Book of the Dead |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 81099153 United States 12/01/2021 09:01 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Is the Man-Child of Revelation 12 the Lord Jesus Christ, or perhaps another? Quoting: Anonymous Coward 81385362 This answer to this is very simple actually: The Lord Jesus Christ is the 'head' of the body, the church [see: Eph. 5:23; Col 1:18], while the true regenerate believers who make up the NT church are 'the body' of Christ together - the 'head' and the 'body' are the 'man child' and they are 'caught up' - this is referring to the rapture [link to rumble.com (secure)] |
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User ID: 79411314 Canada 12/01/2021 09:02 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Jesus says He will give His title of the Morning Star to another individual. Quoting: InChristAmen This individual bears an identity only the individual himself knows. He rules the nations with an iron rod and shatters them to pieces. In other words, demonstrates total power over the nations. He also sits on the throne of God supposedly, but is NOT Jesus or God because Jesus said He would confess this individual's name before God and God's angels. I go back to Revelation 2 and 3 because there is a lot in these little scriptures that speak of a person, a man-child that Jesus seems to put enough emphasis on that Jesus gives him the morning star. Now, this could be a metaphor or an allusion to the body of believers, that the body will rule the nations. However, the fact Jesus gives "him" the morning star and confesses "his" name to God and God's angels could in fact defer that transliteration. There are details in Revelation 2 and Revelation 3 that are far overlooked. Jesus says He will give His title of the Morning Star to another individual. Quoting: InChristAmen This individual bears an identity only the individual himself knows. He rules the nations with an iron rod and shatters them to pieces. In other words, demonstrates total power over the nations. He also sits on the throne of God supposedly, but is NOT Jesus or God because Jesus said He would confess this individual's name before God and God's angels. I go back to Revelation 2 and 3 because there is a lot in these little scriptures that speak of a person, a man-child that Jesus seems to put enough emphasis on that Jesus gives him the morning star. Now, this could be a metaphor or an allusion to the body of believers, that the body will rule the nations. However, the fact Jesus gives "him" the morning star and confesses "his" name to God and God's angels could in fact defer that transliteration. There are details in Revelation 2 and Revelation 3 that are far overlooked. That’s a lot to unpackage Do Those who have been professed to have been given the morning star Get to interpret the heavenly realms intentions on how we go forward |
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User ID: 78222180 United States 12/01/2021 09:11 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Revelation 12:1 "And there appeared a great wonder in heaven; a woman clothed with the sun, and the moon under her feet, and upon her head a crown of twelve stars:" *) The Sun is Abraham. *) The Woman is Sarah. *) The Crown of Twelve Stars is Abraham's Seed (Twelve Tribes). *) The Moon is Sarah's Ovum. It is all a picture of the Moment of Conception, when Sarah became pregnant with the Father's Seed. Thus the Man Child is 'the generation of Jesus Christ' per this verse... Matthew 1:1 "The book of the generation of Jesus Christ, the son of David, the son of Abraham." The Serpent is the Phallus casting its seed out of its mouth... Revelation 12:15 "And the serpent cast out of his mouth water as a flood after the woman, that he might cause her to be carried away of the flood." Since Abraham's Seed gets there first, the Serpent is wroth, and makes war against Abraham's Seed... Revelation 12:17 "And the dragon was wroth with the woman, and went to make war with the remnant of her seed, which keep the commandments of God, and have the testimony of Jesus Christ." Visit my website... [link to www.mostholyplace.com] |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 80493300 United States 12/01/2021 09:13 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Today I moved in the Will of the Holy Father Quoting: Bayou Ice To be in His will is to be in His calling I have spoken and posted from a clean heart and that given is what has been given to me To be something is what ? if you or I walk in that given in finding His Kingdom and walking out that given is the fullness of what Father God is moving in for any soul at anytime I have declared that which has moved into me in the walk for over 3 years Time and dates are tied to what I have been shown April 4, 2022 is the confirmation of that which I have shared That day in that time will confirm that which I have shared as given Blessings Matthew 5:33-37 - New English Translation (2005) Quoting: Bayou Ice 33. "Again, you have heard that it was said to an older generation, 'Do not break an oath, but fulfill your vows to the Lord.' 34. But I say to you, do not take oaths at all not by heaven, because it is the throne of God, 35. not by earth, because it is his footstool, and not by Jerusalem, because it is the city of the great King. 36. Do not take an oath by your head, because you are not able to make one hair white or black. 37. Let your word be 'Yes, yes' or 'No, no.' More than this is from the evil one. My Lord God is speaking against those that take oaths We should all move in the clear air of truth is all we say as our actions are to be pure as the clean water given |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 80493300 United States 12/01/2021 09:21 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | What a wicked-hearted deceiver. You have been banned from the OP of this thread from posting on his threads. For such people are false apostles, deceitful workers, masquerading as apostles of Christ. And no wonder, for Satan himself masquerades as an angel of light. It is not surprising, then, if his servants also masquerade as servants of righteousness. Their end will be what their actions deserve. 2Corinthians 11:13-15 |
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User ID: 78222180 United States 12/01/2021 09:24 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Now, this could be a metaphor or an allusion to the body of believers, that the body will rule the nations. Quoting: InChristAmen I would stick with that interpretation. However, the fact Jesus gives "him" the morning star and confesses "his" name to God and God's angels could in fact defer that transliteration. Quoting: InChristAmen 'Him' as in each Believer that overcomes... Revelation 2:26 "And he that overcometh, and keepeth my works unto the end, to him will I give power over the nations:" The Morning Star is simply the Seed of Abraham that is given to the Saved to become Born Again... Galatians 3:29 "And if ye be Christ’s, then are ye Abraham’s seed, and heirs according to the promise." Stars represent Children that are yet to be born. It can be a Glorified Body, or it can be a corrupt body... Revelation 12:4 "And his tail drew the third part of the stars of heaven, and did cast them to the earth: and the dragon stood before the woman which was ready to be delivered, for to devour her child as soon as it was born." Again, the Dragon is the Phallus that casts its Serpent Seed. The Dragon's Tail is the Flagellum that propels the Seed in order to devour (fertilize) the Ovum once it is created (born) in the Womb. 2 Samuel 22:5 "When the waves of death compassed me, the floods of ungodly men made me afraid;" Psalms 18:4 "The sorrows of death compassed me, and the floods of ungodly men made me afraid." Visit my website... [link to www.mostholyplace.com] |
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