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A Couple Stored IRA Gold at Home. They Owe the IRS More Than $300,000

 
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A Couple Stored IRA Gold at Home. They Owe the IRS More Than $300,000
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It’s official: Owners of individual retirement accounts with assets invested in gold and silver coins can’t store them in a safe at their home.
So ruled the judge in a recent Tax Court case, Andrew McNulty et al. v. Commissioner. The decision will cost Mr. McNulty and his wife Donna dearly—taxes of nearly $270,000 on about $730,000 of IRA assets, plus penalties likely to exceed $50,000.
The ruling disallows a scheme that was heavily promoted several years ago, when radio and internet ads touted the benefits of using IRA assets to buy gold and silver coins and then store them at home or in a safe-deposit box. Promoters based pitches on a perceived ambiguity in the law, despite warnings from the Internal Revenue Service and legal specialists.


These pitches are less common now, but they’re still around. Savers who have bought into them or are considering such a move should reconsider right away.
The McNulty case has a broader lesson as well: It’s a cautionary tale showing how dangerous it can be to invest retirement-plan funds in alternative assets without proper guidance.
“Good tax advice may appear expensive, but it’s not as costly as blowing up your IRA,” says Warren Baker, an attorney with Fairview Law Group in Seattle who specializes in alternative-asset IRAs.
Here’s what happened in the McNulty case, starting with some background.


Savers who have tax-favored retirement plans such as traditional IRAs, Roth IRAs, and Solo 401(k)s usually invest the assets in securities like stocks, mutual funds and exchange-traded funds.
But they don’t have to. The law gives retirement-plan owners broad latitude in how they invest funds, as long as it’s not in collectibles like artwork, jewelry, antique furniture, cars, wine and such.

Savers investing in alternative assets must follow strict rules against self-dealing. Otherwise, they risk disaster. For example, an IRA owner can use account funds to invest in a rental property like a beach house. But if she uses it herself for a week of vacation, that’s a “prohibited transaction” that dissolves the IRA, triggering taxes and perhaps penalties.
The McNultys ran afoul of such rules. Their attorney, Thomas Quinn of McLaughlinQuinn in Providence, R.I., said they declined to comment on the case and are considering an appeal.
According to the decision, the couple in 2015 began moving nearly $750,000 of existing retirement-plan funds, including from a MetLife annuity and 401(k), into self-directed IRAs. Then they had the IRAs purchase shares in limited-liability companies that in turn invested about $730,000 in a condominium plus gold and silver American Eagle coins.


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Just another way toi keep you in the failing faux dollar! bsflag
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Fuck an IRA and fuck this scumbag government already, can't you just plain hold gold?
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Fuck an IRA and fuck this scumbag government already, can't you just plain hold gold?
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Yes, you can own gold, but you can't get the IRA tax break and store it at home. It's too hard for them to steal everyone's gold if they have to go to a million homes.
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Fuck the IRS

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This serves no purpose but to rape the public.

As usual, the govt exists solely to promote and protect its self.

An entity as far in debt as the USA trying to "regulate" people trying to manage their own wealth is pure and utter retardation at its finest.
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Fuck an IRA and fuck this scumbag government already, can't you just plain hold gold?
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Yes, you can own gold, but you can't get the IRA tax break and store it at home. It's too hard for them to steal everyone's gold if they have to go to a million homes.
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“prohibited transaction” ... with your own money :D :D :D

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Fuck an IRA and fuck this scumbag government already, can't you just plain hold gold?
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Yes, you can own gold, but you can't get the IRA tax break and store it at home. It's too hard for them to steal everyone's gold if they have to go to a million homes.
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so you don't tell the IRS about your gold
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Fuck the IRS

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so you don't tell the IRS about your gold
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Fuck an IRA and fuck this scumbag government already, can't you just plain hold gold?
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Yes, you can own gold, but you can't get the IRA tax break and store it at home. It's too hard for them to steal everyone's gold if they have to go to a million homes.
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I've bought gold for years. Screw iras and the irschuckle
You aren't allowed to even touch the gold if you do it thru an ira. They require you to put it in some kind of stupid storage facility and you never see it, but they sure as shit report it to the irs scumbags when you sell it
You want to buy it and hold itchuckle
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I always wondered about that program. If you have your IRA assets at home how do they know you aren’t secretly borrowing from your stash? Seemed to good to be true.

Oh well that really sucks for them.
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... it's their property ... like a sofa or a stove ...
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... so now they have to pay a tax on their property? ...
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... what am I missing in this? ...
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A "metal IRA" is just a trick by the fucks at the irs to try to get you to allow somebody to record all the gold you buy so that one day after you've held it for years, they can tax your profits
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After you sell it. Granted, you are supposed to fill out some form and voluntarily report your profits when you sell the gold that you own and have in your possession. Keep in mind that nobody reports any transaction unless it's over 10 grand
That's why you don't buy kilo bars
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Fuck the IRS

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I pulled out all my IRA money during covid when the penalty was less. I can't see any reason to let daddy.gov have any jurisdiction over my money, especially in light of the plan to socialize all IRA and 401k during the Obama years. No thanks.
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... it's their property ... like a sofa or a stove ...
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... so now they have to pay a tax on their property? ...
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... what am I missing in this? ...
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 Quoting: wisconsin human


They avoided paying taxes on their earnings when they sent money to their 401k/IRA. By not following specific rules around that, it was like early withdrawal where you have to pay your income tax on it all at once. Plus a 10% penalty for early withdrawal.

After they pay the taxes, they will able to keep the rest in a normal bank account or do whatever they want with it. It’s no longer an IRA.





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