After the Tribulation Documentary - NO Pre-Trib Rapture | |
Judethz
User ID: 79555498 United Kingdom 12/14/2021 03:07 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | A. The "Trinity" didn't exist - nor was even taught by Jesus OR the Apostles. Quoting: Servant-of-the-LORD You are a desperate wicked liar with no respect for the truth. 1Jo 5:7 For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one Mat 28:19 Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost Jesus NEVER said "worship me" - NOR did He say to worship the Holy Spirit. Jesus NEVER said "pray to me" - NOR to the Holy Spirit. The Father SENT Jesus. The Father SENDS the Holy Spirit. The Father WILL SEND Jesus at the Second Coming. Sending requires both power AND authority. You are still a liar |
Servant-of-the-LORD
User ID: 81542389 United States 12/14/2021 09:37 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | A. The "Trinity" didn't exist - nor was even taught by Jesus OR the Apostles. Quoting: Servant-of-the-LORD Jesus NEVER said "worship me" - NOR did He say to worship the Holy Spirit. Jesus NEVER said "pray to me" - NOR to the Holy Spirit. The Father SENT Jesus. The Father SENDS the Holy Spirit. The Father WILL SEND Jesus at the Second Coming. Sending requires both power AND authority. You are still a liar Scripture doesn't lie. The LACK of solid scripture that WOULD support falst doctrines is a statement of it's own. I am a humble Servant of the one True Living God. |
Judethz
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Servant-of-the-LORD
User ID: 56090733 United States 12/15/2021 12:40 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | 1. Jesus returns "in the clouds". - BOTH Jesus and Paul use the phrase. 2. The dead in Christ rise FIRST. - THAT is the First Resurrection 3. Jesus descends on the Mount of Olives. Simple. Scriptural. Doesn't require multiple returns. Jesus returns ONCE - "the Day of the Lord". I am a humble Servant of the one True Living God. |
Judethz
User ID: 79555498 United Kingdom 12/15/2021 02:22 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | 1. Jesus returns "in the clouds". Quoting: Servant-of-the-LORD - BOTH Jesus and Paul use the phrase. 2. The dead in Christ rise FIRST. - THAT is the First Resurrection 3. Jesus descends on the Mount of Olives. Your a slimy piece of work, lying by omission. What about... 17Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord. Those who listen to you will bitterly regret their decision one day. KJV 1 Thess. 4 13But I would not have you to be ignorant, brethren, concerning them which are asleep, that ye sorrow not, even as others which have no hope. 14For if we believe that Jesus died and rose again, even so them also which sleep in Jesus will God bring with him. 15For this we say unto you by the word of the Lord, that we which are alive and remain unto the coming of the Lord shall not prevent them which are asleep. 16For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first: 17Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord. 18Wherefore comfort one another with these words. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 80960517 United States 12/15/2021 02:33 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Pastors preach the Pre-Trib because it "pleases" Christians to hear that they (falsely) "won't have to go through the Trubulation". Quoting: Anonymous Coward 81493638 Paul warned about pleasing men instead of pleasing God. Galations 1:10 For do I now persuade men, or God? or do I seek to please men? for if I yet pleased men, I should not be the servant of Christ. Thank God we have YOU to judge. How is OP "judging" folks. Most pastors want a "church" of followers. They are "forced" in some regards to preach things that are popular versus what is actual scriptural TRUTH. 1. No scripture states that Believers / "the Church" will miss Tribulation. 2. No scripture states that Jesus returns BEFORE "the day of the Lord". 3. No scripture states that Jesus returns MORE than once. 4. No scripture states that Jesus takes "the Church" to heaven for any period of time. 5. No scripture states that Tribulation only happens to the get lost. Jesus clearly states that it will encompase the entire Earth. It's all there, check your Bible and make sure it's King James. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 77995541 United States 12/15/2021 02:42 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Yes its TRUE… there will be NO PRE-TRIB RAPTURE for any of you. Thats why there were Virgins that had no oil when they needed it. It was for lack of faith, belief and “preparedness”. You are not prepared because you are not making the Covenant Keeping changes that are required! No ten commandment keeping like Messiah said in Matthew 19:17 MUST BE DONE in order to have eternal salvation = NO OIL!!! Point of Fact! But you will figure it out eventually. To bad you will not make the first Phase Pre-Trib rapture, I’d really love for you to be there. But alas…. |
Stella Vanella
User ID: 80419401 United States 12/15/2021 03:18 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Pastors preach the Pre-Trib because it "pleases" Christians to hear that they (falsely) "won't have to go through the Trubulation". Quoting: Anonymous Coward 81493638 Paul warned about pleasing men instead of pleasing God. Galations 1:10 For do I now persuade men, or God? or do I seek to please men? for if I yet pleased men, I should not be the servant of Christ. So sick of ignorant people like you spreading crap. You know NOTHING, but you post as though you've actually studied it. Let me ask you a few questions then: Bible says the following in Matthew 24:38-41 For in the days before the flood, people were eating and drinking, marrying and giving in marriage, up to the day Noah entered the ark; and they knew nothing about what would happen until the flood came and took them all away. That is how it will be at the coming of the Son of Man. Two men will be in the field; one will be taken and the other left. Two women will be grinding with a hand mill; one will be taken and the other left. See that? Life will be business as usual during the time that it happens. Contrast that to this passage in Matthew 24:21-22 For then there will be great distress, unequaled from the beginning of the world until now—and never to be equaled again. If those days had not been cut short, no one would survive So apparently you think that life will be business as usual AFTER 6-8 billion people have died, 75 lb hailstones, waters turning to blood, nuclear war, etc? Please tell me where that will happen? My people are destroyed for lack of knowledge; because you have rejected knowledge, I reject you from being a priest to me. Hosea 4:6 Just like everyone is going about there life now. That big tornado that just happened in KY. Did everyone stop living their life? Stella Vanella |
Stella Vanella
User ID: 80419401 United States 12/15/2021 03:19 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I love Jesus too. He NEVER says He will return more than once. He NEVER says Believers will escape Tribulation. Jesus said He returns AFTER the Tribulation. That's not what scripture says. He comes "as in the days of Noah" when everything is business as usual. One taken, one left is talking about the rapture. 6-8 billion people die, and the world goes insane after that as God's wrath is poured out. He comes in the sky at the rapture and says, "Come away my fair one" and we rise to meet Him in the air. At the 2nd Coming, he steps onto the Mt of Olives and it splits the mountain. DEFINITELY 2 separate events. If you are born again, ask Jesus if what I'm saying is true. He will confirm it. By the way, Jesus does say, "Because you have kept my commandment to endure patiently, I will keep you from the hour of trial that is coming upon the whole world" Keep you from definitely means removed. That's because it's a midtrib. Basically the tribulation then rapture then the wrath. So rapture after the 3 1/2 years of tribulation. Stella Vanella |
Stella Vanella
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Stella Vanella
User ID: 80419401 United States 12/15/2021 03:27 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Anderson is a hate filled "preacher" he understands that there is no pre-trib rapture. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 79572077 But he fails to understand what the love of our Messiah demands of us. He has been quoted as saying, "not one gay person will ever be saved." How do you know they will? Maybe he is right. I mean, Jesus did call those people the synagogue of Satan and told them their father was the devil. Do you think those people will be saved? I don't agree with everything Anderson says but he has a very good understanding of the Bible. You can learn a lot from him. I love when he proves scripture with scripture. However I'm not found of when he just gives his opinions about things. But I'm not going to throw the baby out with the bath water. Stella Vanella |
Stella Vanella
User ID: 80419401 United States 12/15/2021 03:27 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Anderson is a hate filled "preacher" he understands that there is no pre-trib rapture. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 79572077 But he fails to understand what the love of our Messiah demands of us. He has been quoted as saying, "not one gay person will ever be saved." PS. It sounds to me like you're judging him. Stella Vanella |
Stella Vanella
User ID: 80419401 United States 12/15/2021 03:31 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Mike Winger does "hit pieces" on other preachers. He's a Pauling Rapture-tard Trinitarian. 'Nuff said. Sharing the truth is a "hit piece" now? He simply showed video of Anderson in his own words promoting the death of gays. You use the scriptures accurately some of the time and believe you fully understand all of it all of the time? The earliest church fathers, extremely well respected, we're trinitarians. I trust them far more than a forum preacher. You may want to ask the Lord to help you in self reflection. I will do the same. For I know I am in error constantly. In Anderson's defense, if you ever watch his sermons you would understand why he thinks that. He brings up verses to prove it. I'm not saying I agree. Honestly my opinion is I'm not sure. But Anderson does make a good point. And we are suppose to hate the things that God hates according to the Bible. Stella Vanella |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 72680952 United States 12/15/2021 03:52 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | By the way, Jesus does say, "Because you have kept my commandment to endure patiently, I will keep you from the hour of trial that is coming upon the whole world" Quoting: Anonymous Coward 72818945 Keep you from definitely means removed. NONSENSE. How does the "hour of trial" equate to the Tribulation? It just doesn't. Paul says "we which are alive and remain". Those are Believers AND "Elect". ASK THE LORD JESUS IF WHAT IM TELLING YOU IS TRUE! Here's why the "hour" IS actually the tribulation/great tribulation: The ten horns you saw are ten kings who have not yet received a kingdom, but who for one hour will receive authority as kings along with the beast. So answer me genius, do you think they meant 60 minutes? Study first, make comments after. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 72680952 United States 12/15/2021 04:24 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | The Rapture is an un-biblical concept introduced by a 19th-century former Anglican priest by the name of John Nelson Darby. It is a lie from the pit of H*ll that faithful Christians will be lifted off the Earth and preserved, en masse, from the Tribulation. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 70175159 Not true. The rapture was discussed by Pseudo Ephraim in 325 ad. You just gobble up the first headline posted and regurgitate it without studying. YOU are the problem! |
Servant-of-the-LORD
User ID: 81555046 United States 12/15/2021 10:47 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | By the way, Jesus does say, "Because you have kept my commandment to endure patiently, I will keep you from the hour of trial that is coming upon the whole world" Quoting: Anonymous Coward 72818945 Keep you from definitely means removed. NONSENSE. How does the "hour of trial" equate to the Tribulation? It just doesn't. Paul says "we which are alive and remain". Those are Believers AND "Elect". ASK THE LORD JESUS IF WHAT IM TELLING YOU IS TRUE! Here's why the "hour" IS actually the tribulation/great tribulation: The ten horns you saw are ten kings who have not yet received a kingdom, but who for one hour will receive authority as kings along with the beast. So answer me genius, do you think they meant 60 minutes? Study first, make comments after. UTTER NONSENSE. NO scripture SAYS the "hour of temptation" is THE Tribulation period. Stop making shit up to defend your false pre-trib rapture. I am a humble Servant of the one True Living God. |
Servant-of-the-LORD
User ID: 81555046 United States 12/15/2021 10:49 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | The Rapture is an un-biblical concept introduced by a 19th-century former Anglican priest by the name of John Nelson Darby. It is a lie from the pit of H*ll that faithful Christians will be lifted off the Earth and preserved, en masse, from the Tribulation. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 70175159 Not true. The rapture was discussed by Pseudo Ephraim in 325 ad. You just gobble up the first headline posted and regurgitate it without studying. YOU are the problem! Show us the "text" of what the guy says concerning a "Pre-Trib Rapture". Whether he does or doesn't - it don't matter. Jesus returns ONCE. Scripture is CLEAR about "the DAY of the Lord". I am a humble Servant of the one True Living God. |
Servant-of-the-LORD
User ID: 81555046 United States 12/15/2021 10:56 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Most pastors want a "church" of followers. Quoting: Servant-of-the-LORD They are "forced" in some regards to preach things that are popular versus what is actual scriptural TRUTH. 1. No scripture states that Believers / "the Church" will miss Tribulation. 2. No scripture states that Jesus returns BEFORE "the day of the Lord". 3. No scripture states that Jesus returns MORE than once. 4. No scripture states that Jesus takes "the Church" to heaven for any period of time. 5. No scripture states that Tribulation only happens to the get lost. Jesus clearly states that it will encompase the entire Earth. It's all there, check your Bible and make sure it's King James. Look back through this topic. Everything I post is KJV. ... Jesus said....AFTER the tribulation... Jesus said.......in the clouds... Paul said......in the cloudsn... Paul said......the dead in Christ rise FIRST... *****That is the FIRST Resurrection****** Paul said......we who are ALIVE and remain... Remain from WHAT???? Jesus TOLD us... Jesus said....AFTER the tribulation... Last Edited by Servant-of-the-LORD on 12/15/2021 10:56 PM I am a humble Servant of the one True Living God. |
Servant-of-the-LORD
User ID: 81555046 United States 12/15/2021 10:58 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | "Overcome" / "overconeth" / "endure" / "endureth" = SURVIVAL TO THE END. - those who are "Alive AND REMAIN". 1 Thessalonians 4:15 For this we say unto you by the word of the Lord, that we which are alive and remain unto the coming of the Lord shall not prevent them which are asleep. 1 Thessalonians 4:17 Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord. Matthew 24:13 But he that shall endure unto the end, the same shall be saved. Mark 13:13 And ye shall be hated of all men for my name's sake: but he that shall endure unto the end, the same shall be saved. Revelation 2:26 And he that overcometh, and keepeth my works unto the end, to him will I give power over the nations: Last Edited by Servant-of-the-LORD on 12/15/2021 10:59 PM I am a humble Servant of the one True Living God. |
Servant-of-the-LORD
User ID: 81555046 United States 12/15/2021 11:06 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | 1. Jesus returns "in the clouds". Quoting: Servant-of-the-LORD - BOTH Jesus and Paul use the phrase. 2. The dead in Christ rise FIRST. - THAT is the First Resurrection 3. Jesus descends on the Mount of Olives. Your a slimy piece of work, lying by omission. What about... 17Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord. Those who listen to you will bitterly regret their decision one day. KJV 1 Thess. 4 13 But I would not have you to be ignorant, brethren, concerning them which are asleep, that ye sorrow not, even as others which have no hope. 14For if we believe that Jesus died and rose again, even so them also which sleep in Jesus will God bring with him. 15 For this we say unto you by the word of the Lord, that we which are alive and remain unto the coming of the Lord shall not prevent them which are asleep. 16 For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first: 17 Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord. 18 Wherefore comfort one another with these words. Pre-Trib rapture ignores what Jesus actually says. Read Matthew 24. Jesus returns ONCE - with the angels. Compare what Paul says in 1 Thessalonians 4 to what Jesus says. 1. Notice that Paul's Verses 16 & 17 are pretty much EXACTLY what Jesus says in the Gospel descriptions of "in the clouds". 1 Thessalonians 4:16 For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first: 1 Thessalonians 4:17 Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord. Matthew 24:30 And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all nopes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory. Matthew 26:64 Jesus saith unto him, Thou hast said: nevertheless I say unto you, Hereafter shall ye see the Son of man sitting on the right hand of power, and coming in the clouds of heaven. Mark 13:26 And then shall they see the Son of man coming in the clouds with great power and glory. Mark 14:62 And Jesus said, I am: and ye shall see the Son of man sitting on the right hand of power, and coming in the clouds of heaven. Luke 21 27 And then shall they see the Son of man coming in a cloud with power and great glory. 28 And when these things begin to come to pass, then look up, and lift up your heads; for your redemption draweth nigh. 31 So likewise ye, when ye see these things come to pass, know ye that the kingdom of God is nigh at hand. ..... 2. Then notice how Paul's verses 15 & 17 match. "alive and remain" is equal to "ebdure" / "overcome" 1 Thessalonians 4:15 For this we say unto you by the word of the Lord, that we which are alive and remain unto the coming of the Lord shall not prevent them which are asleep. 1 Thessalonians 4:17 Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord. Matthew 24:13 But he that shall endure unto the end, the same shall be saved. Mark 13:13 And ye shall be hated of all men for my name's sake: but he that shall endure unto the end, the same shall be saved. Revelation 2:26 And he that overcometh, and keepeth my works unto the end, to him will I give power over the nations: Last Edited by Servant-of-the-LORD on 12/15/2021 11:06 PM I am a humble Servant of the one True Living God. |
Judethz
User ID: 79555498 United Kingdom 12/16/2021 11:47 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | WHERE DID THEY GO?... [link to www.chick.com (secure)] HERE HE COMES!... [link to www.chick.com (secure)] LETS FLY AWAY!... [link to www.chick.com (secure)] THINGS TO COME?... [link to www.chick.com (secure)] |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 79848386 Spain 12/16/2021 01:41 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | The problem isnt whether its pre , post or during... the problem are deceiving Christian posers who say that if you dont believe it a certain way then it is a SALVATION issue or say, if you deny the pre trib rapture will mean your not saved... this is the lie What the Bible is clear on is that it occurs during the last trump... which doesnt say the time or the hour but does show us the things that must come to pass FIRST in order that we might know the season... AND see the deceptions |
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User ID: 81567491 United States 12/16/2021 09:49 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Years ago I was Pre-Trib. Something just didn't feel right thoough. Then I saw the OP video. After that, I dug into the scripture myself... ...and discovered that "alive and remain" is equal to Jesus' saying "to the end". That sinched it for me, along with the LACK of scripture supporting the Pre-Trib. Last Edited by Servant-of-the-LORD on 12/16/2021 09:49 PM I am a humble Servant of the one True Living God. |
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