After the Tribulation Documentary - NO Pre-Trib Rapture

How is OP "judging" folks.
Most pastors want a "church" of followers.
They are "forced" in some regards to preach things that are popular versus what is actual scriptural TRUTH.

1. No scripture states that Believers / "the Church" will miss Tribulation.

2. No scripture states that Jesus returns BEFORE "the day of the Lord".

3. No scripture states that Jesus returns MORE than once.

4. No scripture states that Jesus takes "the Church" to heaven for any period of time.

5. No scripture states that Tribulation only happens to the get lost.

Jesus clearly states that it will encompase the entire Earth.

Why should anyone trust you when you tell lies...
1Th 4:17 Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord.

yeah... at the last trump.. You guys always forget the verses that disprove your false agenda to satisfy the itching ears of your supplicants.

And there's only one last trump!

When He returns for the dead in Christ first, then we, which are alive and remain.

That's known as the resurrection.

You are right. When I get frustrated I often forget about that.

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Really? If that is so then why don't you post the verse that you allege that I left out. One of us is lying and it ain't me.

So sick of ignorant people like you spreading crap. You know NOTHING, but you post as though you've actually studied it.

Let me ask you a few questions then:

Bible says the following in Matthew 24:38-41

For in the days before the flood, people were eating and drinking, marrying and giving in marriage, up to the day Noah entered the ark; and they knew nothing about what would happen until the flood came and took them all away. That is how it will be at the coming of the Son of Man. Two men will be in the field; one will be taken and the other left. Two women will be grinding with a hand mill; one will be taken and the other left.

See that? Life will be business as usual during the time that it happens.

Contrast that to this passage in Matthew 24:21-22

For then there will be great distress, unequaled from the beginning of the world until now—and never to be equaled again. If those days had not been cut short, no one would survive

So apparently you think that life will be business as usual AFTER 6-8 billion people have died, 75 lb hailstones, waters turning to blood, nuclear war, etc? Please tell me where that will happen?

My people are destroyed for lack of knowledge; because you have rejected knowledge, I reject you from being a priest to me. Hosea 4:6

Not true. The rapture was discussed by Pseudo Ephraim in 325 ad. You just gobble up the first headline posted and regurgitate it without studying. YOU are the problem!

Believers of pre-trib have to create strawman arguments as you see above; because they cannot really understand the bible as it is written.

Well... I'm still confused. I know there is no pretrib. There is zero scripture that supports that. But I'm confused about midtrib vs posttrib.

This page may help you a little.

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Let me know what your thoughts are.

But I'm trying to clear my preconceived notions and look at scripture thru post trib eyes.

Start with this.

Thread: Immediately AFTER the Tribulation - Matthew 24:30

I do think it comes after trib but before wrath. I think they are two different things.

To that I would say...'either you believe what Jesus said or you don't'. Check these verse and compare to what Paul and Revelation say.

Matthew 24

29 Immediately* after the tribulation of those days

shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light,

and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken:

30 And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all tri-bes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.

31 And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other*.


Mark 13

24 But in those days, after that tribulation, the sun shall be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light,

25 And the stars of heaven shall fall, and the powers that are in heaven shall be shaken.

26 And then shall they see the Son of man coming in the clouds with great power and glory.

27 And then shall he send his angels, and shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from the uttermost part of the earth to the uttermost part of heaven.


Luke 21

25 And there shall be signs in the sun, and in the moon, and in the stars; and upon the earth distress of nations, with perplexity; the sea and the waves roaring;

26 Men's hearts failing them for fear, and for looking after those things which are coming on the earth: for the powers of heaven shall be shaken.

27 And then shall they see the Son of man coming in a cloud with power and great glory.

28 And when these things begin to come to pass, then look up, and lift up your heads; for your redemption draweth nigh.

"Draweth nigh" is easily understood as "coming soon".

You did not debunk Stella. You are referencing the RESURRECTED. Stella is talking about the "RAPTURE" which is the HARPAZO, or "catching up" spoken of in scripture.

You know, the group that never "tastes of death"...

Do not conflate a group waiting for a resurrection with a group that never tastes of death.

Point #3 is what we are talking about and you do nothing to substantiate your claim.

Resurrection and rapture are NOT THE SAME THING. One is someone who is dead coming to life again, and the other is someone alive not dying.

Ask the Eastern Orthodox priests, their doctrine and traditions have existed since the beginning of Christendom.