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What Organization or Fraternity has the Oldest Rosicrucian “Lineage” in our modern world?

 
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What Organization or Fraternity has the Oldest Rosicrucian “Lineage” in our modern world?
I’ve been delving into Rosicrucianism, and I am currently analyzing Fama Fraternitatis. Trying to learn all that I can about the Order/Brotherhood. It’s truly interesting and there are many concepts held by the group that I agree with. John Dee and Sir Francis Bacon were allegedly members and they contributed a great deal (understatement) to Western Civilization. It has become clear to me that the Rosicrucian Order was active in Early America and, likewise, worked to promote the cultural/governmental recognition of Religious Freedom.

I won’t name them, but I have observed that there are quite a few modern Organizations that lay claim to being the “oldest” and “most authentic” present-day incarnation of the original Rosicrucian Fraternity. Some seem to focus entirely on the Spiritual aspects of the original teachings, but if I understand correctly there is a lot more involved in “true” Rosicrucianism than Spirituality- including the physical Art of Alchemy, Rites of Passage, the serious study of Ancient and Antediluvian Civilizations, etc.

My question is this: Which one is actually the most “authentic,” carrying the unbroken Traditions and Sciences that were integral to original Rosicrucianism?

I understand that the “secret” aspect of Secret Societies is an important part of their ideology- so I do not expect them to be easily found. And I absolutely understand “why” the Rosicrucians chose to be so secretive during a time when religious persecution was the norm for any whose beliefs slightly differed from the nuances of era-specific Institutional doctrine.

I appreciate your collective knowledge, GLP. This is a very curious subject that interests me greatly. I have found the literary work of Manly P. Hall to be quite profound, as well. Truly amazing stuff, especially when seen through the lens of Graham Hancock’s arguments and evidence indicating the existence of previous Advanced Civilizations.

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most elites can be traced back to Charlemagne
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most elites can be traced back to Charlemagne
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None have direct historical lineage, but in my opinion, Heindel is spiritually in the lineage...in the lineage on the spiritual plane.


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most elites Euripeans can be traced back to Charlemagne
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Probably the Catholic church, who probably gave us this order.
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None.

They're all fake.

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Nice thread OP, thanks for bringing up this topic.

My Father was an active member of the The Rosicrucian Order, AMORC. We lived I San Jose and Sunnyvale just a short distance from the Museum at Rosicrucian Park. I spent many hours exploring the Museum at Rosicrucian Park.

The New Alchemy Museum at Rosicrucian Park


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INFJ; We are the protectors; One Percent of the population.

We put a lot of energy into identifying the best system for getting things done, and constantly define and re-define the priorities.

We know things intuitively, without being able to pinpoint why, and without detailed knowledge of the subject at hand. We are usually right, and we usually know it.

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It is my understanding that they bought their "secrets" from the Kabbalist (chews)
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'Freemasonry and Catholicism' by the Rosicrucian Fellowship (Max Heindel), London 1919. ...has an interesting perspective of the ancient arts and crafts. Manly P. Hall discusses this version of events in a lecture, but this is a very good source.
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I got fascinated with this stuff too. I studied it for a while like you did. Thought about joining AMROC in Florida. Went by the place and decided not too. Seems like much a sham today. Ended up joining The Independent Order of Oddfellow’s. I love the esoteric ritual stuff and aspect of it. Helping your community is a great thing too. They all claim to be the oldest. Hell, some IOOF members claim we started from Adam. That he was the first “Oddfellow”. Cool stuff.
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'Freemasonry and Catholicism' by the Rosicrucian Fellowship (Max Heindel), London 1919. ...has an interesting perspective of the ancient arts and crafts. Manly P. Hall discusses this version of events in a lecture, but this is a very good source.
 Quoting: Netya


'Freemasonry and Catholicism' by the Rosicrucian Fellowship (Max Heindel), London 1919. ...has an interesting perspective of the ancient arts and crafts. Manly P. Hall discusses this version of events in a lecture, but this is a very good source.
 Quoting: Netya


Manly P. Hall is the best one to study and most authentic in my opinion. His books are great. His knowledge seems limitless.
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Who wrote The Chymical Wedding of Christian Rosenkreutz?

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at the bottom, they get to wrong conclusions and are evil...
sorry to say that...

georgia guidestones are made by them....
love gave birth to a sacrifice, which brought forward the hatred, what brought forward THE PAIN!....
and to a sadness, deep deep deep way down...is. .....

..."it is stated, that those who possess the RINNEGAN, exists in the realms beyond the life and death!"...

Nobody is a man of focus, commitment, sheer will. Something you know very little about.

...."your blood its not your own, it belongs to THE CREED!"...
..."we work in darkness, to serve the light. We are hashashins!"...

...born under the White crown of Nile....
EL L ....
CROATOAN.....
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at the bottom, they get to wrong conclusions and are evil...
sorry to say that...

georgia guidestones are made by them....
 Quoting: 7..X.LePsihoLog


No way were they the creation of the spiritual descendants of Max Heindel.


The name "rosicrucian" is one abused -- especially by...


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at the bottom, they get to wrong conclusions and are evil...
sorry to say that...

georgia guidestones are made by them....
 Quoting: 7..X.LePsihoLog


No way were they the creation of the spiritual descendants of Max Heindel.


The name "rosicrucian" is one abused -- especially by...


idol1
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LOL

one other "story"...
they said that they have had bones of jesus christ-person that has not existed, and wanted to clone him....

one member was that fraud einstain who stole that E=mc2 from italian guy, since onestone worked in pattern office...

and so on....

best to avoid in long range circle....

i do not say that those people are all evil , but....

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love gave birth to a sacrifice, which brought forward the hatred, what brought forward THE PAIN!....
and to a sadness, deep deep deep way down...is. .....

..."it is stated, that those who possess the RINNEGAN, exists in the realms beyond the life and death!"...

Nobody is a man of focus, commitment, sheer will. Something you know very little about.

...."your blood its not your own, it belongs to THE CREED!"...
..."we work in darkness, to serve the light. We are hashashins!"...

...born under the White crown of Nile....
EL L ....
CROATOAN.....
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at the bottom, they get to wrong conclusions and are evil...
sorry to say that...

georgia guidestones are made by them....
 Quoting: 7..X.LePsihoLog


No way were they the creation of the spiritual descendants of Max Heindel.


The name "rosicrucian" is one abused -- especially by...


idol1
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LOL

one other "story"...
they said that they have had bones of jesus christ-person that has not existed, and wanted to clone him....

one member was that fraud einstain who stole that E=mc2 from italian guy, since onestone worked in pattern office...

and so on....

best to avoid in long range circle....

i do not say that those people are all evil , but....
 Quoting: 7..X.LePsihoLog


Einsein did steal Relativity -- from Lorentz and Poincare.


So, not so far from the truth.


But believe what you want.
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I got fascinated with this stuff too. I studied it for a while like you did. Thought about joining AMROC in Florida. Went by the place and decided not too. Seems like much a sham today. Ended up joining The Independent Order of Oddfellow’s. I love the esoteric ritual stuff and aspect of it. Helping your community is a great thing too. They all claim to be the oldest. Hell, some IOOF members claim we started from Adam. That he was the first “Oddfellow”. Cool stuff.
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at the bottom, they get to wrong conclusions and are evil...
sorry to say that...

georgia guidestones are made by them....
 Quoting: 7..X.LePsihoLog


No way were they the creation of the spiritual descendants of Max Heindel.


The name "rosicrucian" is one abused -- especially by...


idol1
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It just means Rosy Cross. Referring to the War of the Roses, and how the red and white roses split, and how. Well because of knowledge and the keepers of the relics.
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Aside from who I already suggested in that other thread:

Wynn Westcott, Rudolf Steiner, Arnold Krumm-Heller, Max Heindel, and Manly P. Hall; there’s also Hargrave Jennings, all as good sources.

Then I would say that Spencer Lewis (“AMORC”), Aleister Crowley, or even Paschal Beverly Randolph; would NOT be good sources.

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The history is falsified by them, who forged these false lineages to steal mansions from the previous civilization and enslave the survivors of the great geological tragedy of the 1st century.

His biggest secret is visible to the naked eye, the meaning of the expression "FreeMason", which means "free buildings" and not anything else they want you to believe.

"Free Mason Society" is "Free Mansion's Society".

They are societies of pirates, grave robbers and property squatters, supported by societies of writers and mathematicians, geologists, astronomers, religionists.

All the other secret societies, professional associations, universities, class unions, all this is just a support structure for the slaves, to keep the lie created by those at the top.

The big lie boils down to this: the history is faked, entire, every dot and comma of the history is false. We are in the 3rd century, not the 21st.

The previous civilization had DEW technology, they activated all the volcanoes, the sun didn't reach the ground for two whole years, plants and animals died, cities all over the world were covered by meters of dust that landed the first floor of practically everything, roofs were destroyed, people died of hunger, disease and misery. Wars were created to end the destruction of survival centers, books were burned to hide the true story, universities were created to be the ministry of truth, every form of knowledge outside this ministry was violently banned. His great-grandparents are not from this civilization, they are from the previous one.
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Nice thread OP, thanks for bringing up this topic.

My Father was an active member of the The Rosicrucian Order, AMORC. We lived I San Jose and Sunnyvale just a short distance from the Museum at Rosicrucian Park. I spent many hours exploring the Museum at Rosicrucian Park.

The New Alchemy Museum at Rosicrucian Park


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San Jose is where I was taken to be tortured and put under Mind Control. I can name names that are still alive. My life was stolen from me.
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Nice thread OP, thanks for bringing up this topic.

My Father was an active member of the The Rosicrucian Order, AMORC. We lived I San Jose and Sunnyvale just a short distance from the Museum at Rosicrucian Park. I spent many hours exploring the Museum at Rosicrucian Park.

The New Alchemy Museum at Rosicrucian Park


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San Jose is where I was taken to be tortured and put under Mind Control. I can name names that are still alive. My life was stolen from me.
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A.M.O.R.C. seems mad shady.
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I heard the hard no in the background. So I had to login. Dreams are strange in that I saw an email about turning on required login to post... Anyway, Just send them a request to join. It's a simple process.
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I heard the hard no in the background. So I had to login. Dreams are strange in that I saw an email about turning on required login to post... Anyway, Just send them a request to join. It's a simple process.
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Actual Rosicrucians don’t exist anymore; not under that name anyway.

I highly doubt that a single group using that name nowadays has any connection to the original.

Like I said before, the best sources to become acquainted with the topic would be:

Wynn Westcott, Rudolf Steiner, Arnold Krumm-Heller, Max Heindel, Manly P. Hall, and Hargrave Jennings.

Although I may be missing a couple or so authors here....

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Crowley's Liber XV I think attempts to imply it goes back to the earliest mathematicians and philosophers essentially, Pythagoras and before and perhaps essentially it's always been here in one form or another.
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Crowley's Liber XV I think attempts to imply it goes back to the earliest mathematicians and philosophers essentially, Pythagoras and before and perhaps essentially it's always been here in one form or another.
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Sure. But crowley’s writings likely don’t have anything useful that you can’t find in the writings of the authors I’ve mentioned earlier in this thread or Blavatsky etc.
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most elites can be traced back to Charlemagne
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I've told this story before...

When I was a little kid back in the 1950s, my Dad used to say that our family was descended from Charlemagne...

F/F to 2020, I get my report back from 23 & Me and by golly if it didn't say I'm descended from Charlemagne...

the only possible explanation for this is oral tradition passed down from one generation to the next for more than 1,100 years...





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