What Organization or Fraternity has the Oldest Rosicrucian “Lineage” in our modern world?

Einsein did steal Relativity -- from Lorentz and Poincare.


So, not so far from the truth.


But believe what you want.

Alchemy of course

really - nothing? much broader than assumed.

Well yeah, if you’re a authentic Alchemist, then you’re a true Rosicrucian; and vice-versa.

Like I said on the previous page of this thread, I highly doubt that any person using the name Rosicrucian these days is a actual Rosicrucian.

Authentic Alchemy seems difficult to find. I would say that there are a few living Tibetan Lamas still teaching, who are true Alchemists....

explained...

You mean you’re asking me to explain?

If so, then yeah the Mahasiddhas were the original Alchemists.

In India it’s called Rasayana.

Nice thread OP, thanks for bringing up this topic.

My Father was an active member of the The Rosicrucian Order, AMORC. We lived I San Jose and Sunnyvale just a short distance from the Museum at Rosicrucian Park. I spent many hours exploring the Museum at Rosicrucian Park.

The New Alchemy Museum at Rosicrucian Park


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In hindsight, it's better I never got involved in the Rosicrucian stuff.

they were and are competing with illuminati on contacting the ETs....

that is summa summarum of a whole story....

it is about meditation....
transfering lead-color of brain into a gold-illuminated mind....

very easy....

“AMORC” isn’t Rosicrucian.

Well, I don't want to contact anyone.


But I have never been a real joiner, I suppose.


My association with both Rosicrucianism and Theosophy were a relative blip in my life.

Well there is the Path of Renunciation (Sutrayana (divided into Pratimoksa and Paramitayana)), the Path of Transformation (Tantra or Alchemy), and the Path of Self Liberation (Dzogchen, Mahasandhi, or Yungdrung Bön).

You mentioned Hashashins in your signature.... Interesting.

thing is in some basics....
from which basic you start ...
if you try meditation with some agenda, you fail....
basics like, early education, family background, do you seek anything and so on....

those who do it with pure heart, achieve something, get answers....

I’ve been delving into Rosicrucianism, and I am currently analyzing Fama Fraternitatis. Trying to learn all that I can about the Order/Brotherhood. It’s truly interesting and there are many concepts held by the group that I agree with. John Dee and Sir Francis Bacon were allegedly members and they contributed a great deal (understatement) to Western Civilization. It has become clear to me that the Rosicrucian Order was active in Early America and, likewise, worked to promote the cultural/governmental recognition of Religious Freedom.

I won’t name them, but I have observed that there are quite a few modern Organizations that lay claim to being the “oldest” and “most authentic” present-day incarnation of the original Rosicrucian Fraternity. Some seem to focus entirely on the Spiritual aspects of the original teachings, but if I understand correctly there is a lot more involved in “true” Rosicrucianism than Spirituality- including the physical Art of Alchemy, Rites of Passage, the serious study of Ancient and Antediluvian Civilizations, etc.

My question is this: Which one is actually the most “authentic,” carrying the unbroken Traditions and Sciences that were integral to original Rosicrucianism?

I understand that the “secret” aspect of Secret Societies is an important part of their ideology- so I do not expect them to be easily found. And I absolutely understand “why” the Rosicrucians chose to be so secretive during a time when religious persecution was the norm for any whose beliefs slightly differed from the nuances of era-specific Institutional doctrine.

I appreciate your collective knowledge, GLP. This is a very curious subject that interests me greatly. I have found the literary work of Manly P. Hall to be quite profound, as well. Truly amazing stuff, especially when seen through the lens of Graham Hancock’s arguments and evidence indicating the existence of previous Advanced Civilizations.

God Bless.



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The Hidden Ones definitely.

Those guys that wear hoods and have little dagger blades on their forearms and they assassinate Templars while remaining anonymous and investigating wealth, mysteries, and artifacts--it's definitely them.

I’ve been delving into Rosicrucianism, and I am currently analyzing Fama Fraternitatis. Trying to learn all that I can about the Order/Brotherhood. It’s truly interesting and there are many concepts held by the group that I agree with. John Dee and Sir Francis Bacon were allegedly members and they contributed a great deal (understatement) to Western Civilization. It has become clear to me that the Rosicrucian Order was active in Early America and, likewise, worked to promote the cultural/governmental recognition of Religious Freedom.

I won’t name them, but I have observed that there are quite a few modern Organizations that lay claim to being the “oldest” and “most authentic” present-day incarnation of the original Rosicrucian Fraternity. Some seem to focus entirely on the Spiritual aspects of the original teachings, but if I understand correctly there is a lot more involved in “true” Rosicrucianism than Spirituality- including the physical Art of Alchemy, Rites of Passage, the serious study of Ancient and Antediluvian Civilizations, etc.

My question is this: Which one is actually the most “authentic,” carrying the unbroken Traditions and Sciences that were integral to original Rosicrucianism?

I understand that the “secret” aspect of Secret Societies is an important part of their ideology- so I do not expect them to be easily found. And I absolutely understand “why” the Rosicrucians chose to be so secretive during a time when religious persecution was the norm for any whose beliefs slightly differed from the nuances of era-specific Institutional doctrine.

I appreciate your collective knowledge, GLP. This is a very curious subject that interests me greatly. I have found the literary work of Manly P. Hall to be quite profound, as well. Truly amazing stuff, especially when seen through the lens of Graham Hancock’s arguments and evidence indicating the existence of previous Advanced Civilizations.

God Bless.



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I would say

The Hidden Ones definitely.

Those guys that wear hoods and have little dagger blades on their forearms and they assassinate Templars while remaining anonymous and investigating wealth, mysteries, and artifacts--it's definitely them.

Or I should say: and never was.

Max Heindel’s, Rudolf Steiner’s, and Arnold Krumm-Heller’s groups may have at least had a connection to the original Rosicrucian stream....

That would be the invisible order.

The true followers of the knowledge of Thoth/Hermes.

Not those who have usurped the knowledge for the enslavement of mankind.

But none of those really embraced the eastern elements nearly as much as the highly disregarded Crowley which everyone seems to disparage but never actually read let alone use to help real development or initiation.
It's almost like glp only talks about certain topics to further ensure as many people as possible reinforce their laziness and disinfo.

Crowley has a writing about the highest ritual involves the sacrifice of a young male virgin, his followers try to shrug it off as an "allegory" besides calling himself "666 the Great Beast" which is a bit grandiose considering most never heard of him.

His Tarot is among the best though & he did have extensive occult background but seemed misled by a materialist perspective.

Or I should say: and never was.

Max Heindel’s, Rudolf Steiner’s, and Arnold Krumm-Heller’s groups may have at least had a connection to the original Rosicrucian stream....