So Jesus said again: “Most truly I say to you, I am the door for the sheep. All those who have come in place of me are thieves and plunders

and here is verse 30 of that chapter

"I and my Father are one."

Most father and sons are.

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he doesn't own his soul, he responds to material stimulus outside himself as real, not from inside himself as real.

I should have known.

typo in subject line should be plunderers

"heis" ["one"] in Galatians 3:28 referring to many:

“There is neither )ew nor Greek, there is neither slave nor free man, there is neither male nor female; for you [humeis, 2nd per. plural] are [este, plural verb] all one [heis] in Christ Jesus.”

Jezebel hired men to lie-
1 Kings 21
5 His wife Jezebel came in to him and asked him: “Why are you so sad that you refuse to eat?” 6 He replied to her: “Because I said to Naboth the Jezreelite, ‘Give me your vineyard for money. Or if you prefer, let me give you another vineyard to replace it.’ But he said, ‘I will not give you my vineyard.’” 7 His wife Jezebel said to him: “Are you not the one ruling as king over Israel? Get up, eat something, and let your heart be cheerful. I will give you the vineyard of Naboth the Jezreelite.” 8 So she wrote letters in Ahab’s name and sealed them with his seal and sent the letters to the elders and the nobles who lived in Naboth’s city. 9 She wrote in the letters: “Proclaim a fast, and have Naboth sit at the head of the people. 10 And have two good-for-nothing men sit in front of him and testify against him, saying, ‘You have cursed God and the king!’ Then bring him out and stone him to death.”

11 So the men of his city, the elders and the nobles who lived in his city, did just as was written in the letters that Jezebel sent to them. 12 They proclaimed a fast and had Naboth sit at the head of the people. 13 Then two of the good-for-nothing men came in and sat down in front of him and began to testify against Na&both in front of the people, saying: “Naboth has cursed God and the king!” After that they brought him to the outskirts of the city and stoned him to death. 14 They now sent word to Jezebel, saying: “Naboth has been stoned to death.”

15 As soon as Jezebel heard that Naboth had been stoned to death, she said to Ahab: “Get up, take possession of the vineyard of Naboth the Jezreelite, which he refused to give you for money, for Naboth is no longer alive. He is dead.” 16 As soon as Ahab heard that Naboth was dead, Ahab got up to go down to the vineyard of Naboth the Jezreelite to take possession of it.

Jesus was a manipulative troll/shill, I have no respect for someone who calls their fellow humans sheep. He was the seed of Satan.

Jesus promised coming of the Spirit of Truth before second incarnation of His Soul.
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Who are you to ague with Jesus?
Soon you'll be judged by the avatar of the Justice on the Last Judgment.
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8 All those who have come in place of me are thieves and plunderers.

That would be describing your Leader's in Bethal. They openly teach that they have replaced Christ as your Mediator to Jehovah and that they themselves are now your Mediator.

The governing body teach that their sprinkled blood speaks a better word than the blood of Abel.??

I must have missed that.

When did they say that ?

Heb. 12:24, NIV: "to Jesus the mediator of a new covenant, and to the sprinkled blood that speaks a better word than the blood of Abel."

Really, then why do they conclude their prayers to Jehovah as "in Jesus name"?

Is Satan the Fine Shepard?

Honest question. Do you not believe/know that they teach Jesus is not your Mediator but theirs exclusively and that you can only benefit from Jesus being their personal Mediator and NOT yours (the little flock) by association?

I know what you're saying but what they're saying is the Faithful and Discrete Slave whom the master has appointed is his channel of divine education to his disciples, rather than imaginary conflicting divine 'inspiration'. Yes they worded their claim rather clumsily, here's the actual quote from Jesus;

Who really is the faithful and discreet slave whom his master appointed over his domestics, to give them their food at the proper time? 46 Happy is that slave if his master on coming finds him doing so! 47Truly I say to you, he will appoint him over all his belongings. Mt24:46

Bloopers happen, be bigger than life when they do.

No sir. They are very clear. I tried posting a direct link to the organization library but it won't let me. Don't be an apologists. It isn't a blunder. You may not agree with them and that's fine. But have enough backbone to say it.

In fact they decribe Jesus as their personal "attorney" before Jehovah and that "sometimes other people who the attorney is not representing can benefit from the attorneys case being made even though the attorney is not advocating for them directly"

I don't care what any ClaymationHumadroids say or are percieved as saying this is what I believe;

First of all, then, I urge that supplications, prayers, intercessions, and thanksgiving be made concerning all sorts of men, 2concerning kings and all those who are in high positions, so that we may go on leading a calm and quiet life with complete godly devotion and seriousness. 3This is fine and acceptable in the sight of our Savior, God, 4&whose will is that all sorts of people should be saved and come to an accurate knowledge of truth. 5For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, a man, Christ Jesus, 6who gave himself a corresponding ransom for all—this is what is to be witnessed to in its own due time. 7For the purpose of this witness I was appointed a preacher and an apostle—I am telling the truth, I am not lying—a teacher of nations in the matter of faith and truth. 1cor2

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So the question begs... Why do you pimp an organization that you "don't care" what they have to say, and you don't agree with them? You do know if you were to have the testicular fortitude to go to your elders face and tell them you don't care what the GB teaches, that Jesus is also your personal Mediator to Jehovah, that you would be DFd right?

the hired man is just the man who is doing it for the money.

but nobody follows a preacher who's not rich so. I mean you have to at least appear to have some power and luck and fortune, you have to convince them God is on your side and h can bless you with good fortune, power , a good life

good times, that's all anyone wants, good memories, fuck this insane crazy shit, get these demons out of here, the monsters who wrote the bible are what's wrong with the planet

People seem to think Jehovah is 'bloodthirsty', but I think He's "the avenger of blood", the nearest relative, and the most loving and loyal one to everyone whose "innocent blood" has been shed.
{And that's just about everyone descended from Adam who has died so far ? I think?}
Abel's blood, e.g., cries out to Him [for 6000 years ?] from the ground -"for vengeance"- but Jesus' blood cries out "in a better way", "For mercy." This is how "We have an advocate, a mediator, with the Father, Jesus Christ."

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8 Now this is the main point of what we are saying: We have such a high priest as this,+ and he has sat down at the right hand of the throne of the Majesty in the heavens,+ 2 a minister* of the holy place+ and of the true tent, which Jehovah* set up, and not man.


9:11 However, when Christ came as a high priest of the good things that have already taken place, he passed through the greater and more perfect tent not made with hands, that is, not of this creation.


9:24 For Christ did not enter into a holy place made with hands,+ which is a copy of the reality,+ but into heaven itself,+ so that he now appears before* God on our behalf.

Who really is the faithful and discreet slave whom his master appointed over his domestics, to give them their food at the proper time? 46Happy is that slave if his master on coming finds him doing so! 47Truly I say to you, he will appoint him over all his belongings Mt24:45

Identify this for me.

The J**s actually believe he is Satan. It's a trick they play on Gentiles a deception. They make the gentiles worship Satan who will eventually turn on them and help the J**s for playing along with the deception.

They actually believe that. I shit you not.