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Despite Supreme Court Ruling, Some Employers Will Still Require Vaccinations

 
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I hope these companies than get sued by their employees and families when they start dying from the vaxx
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You cannot force this… you can try to spin it however you want but mandating an EUA drug is illegal…

The only reason they are doing it is because you people are to stupid and weak to stand up for yourself.
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You clowns don’t get it. I’m saying there is NO LEGAL RECOURSE here in the United States of the type you’re describing. Do you not understand?

I agree with you that it’s wrong and SHOULD be illegal. I’m telling you that it plainly IS legal under established law and precedent for employers to mandate a jab.

Good luck finding a lawyer to represent you. It won’t happen.

thwak
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so they can force employees to take the HPV vaccine? the flu vaccine?

as someone mentioned before with drug testing.... smoking weed or doing drugs willingly and being tested for that doesn't equate to being force to take a medicine/vaccnine against your will.

name ONE drug or medical treatment a business can force their employee to take to stay employed.
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Name one drug: literally every health care employer requires measles, polio and smallpox vaccinations.
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Yes, always use a virus that cannot mutate as your go to.

Always the wrong defense for one that is indefensible.

Can't cure Corona/flu/common cold/ with a vaccine. Not possible, the mutations occur rapidly but always diminish in severity. Like a snake eating it's own tail it is futile.

It's the fucking Flu folks. Been dealing with it in one form or another for thousands of years...we are still here.
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You clowns don’t get it. I’m saying there is NO LEGAL RECOURSE here in the United States of the type you’re describing. Do you not understand?

I agree with you that it’s wrong and SHOULD be illegal. I’m telling you that it plainly IS legal under established law and precedent for employers to mandate a jab.

Good luck finding a lawyer to represent you. It won’t happen.

thwak
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so they can force employees to take the HPV vaccine? the flu vaccine?

as someone mentioned before with drug testing.... smoking weed or doing drugs willingly and being tested for that doesn't equate to being force to take a medicine/vaccnine against your will.

name ONE drug or medical treatment a business can force their employee to take to stay employed.
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Name one drug: literally every health care employer requires measles, polio and smallpox vaccinations.
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do they? thats on the application? pretty sure its illegal for them to ask for any of your medical history via the americans with disabilities act. (edit: oh i see you said "health care provider", which is a bit different than what we are talking about here with other workplaces)

i have NEVER been asked for any proof of vaccination ever or medical history to apply for a job, have you?
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You asked for an example of “one drug or medical treatment” a business can “force on their employee.” I provided three. Yes, in a hospital setting, vaccinations are required to prevent the spread of disease. Does that surprise you?
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so they can force employees to take the HPV vaccine? the flu vaccine?

as someone mentioned before with drug testing.... smoking weed or doing drugs willingly and being tested for that doesn't equate to being force to take a medicine/vaccnine against your will.

name ONE drug or medical treatment a business can force their employee to take to stay employed.
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Name one drug: literally every health care employer requires measles, polio and smallpox vaccinations.
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do they? thats on the application? pretty sure its illegal for them to ask for any of your medical history via the americans with disabilities act. (edit: oh i see you said "health care provider", which is a bit different than what we are talking about here with other workplaces)

i have NEVER been asked for any proof of vaccination ever or medical history to apply for a job, have you?
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You asked for an example of “one drug or medical treatment” a business can “force on their employee.” I provided three. Yes, in a hospital setting, vaccinations are required to prevent the spread of disease. Does that surprise you?
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nah, you're probably right there. congrats. i'm not sure what they require to work in a place like that but would assume you would.

but i wasn't really talking about people working in a hospital or healthcare.

was more referring to places like grocery stores, banks, retail, etc.

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Companies that want to be sued and BOYCOTTED.

I won't do any business with a company that I know mandates phony toxic "vaccines" that don't work.
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so they can force employees to take the HPV vaccine? the flu vaccine?

as someone mentioned before with drug testing.... smoking weed or doing drugs willingly and being tested for that doesn't equate to being force to take a medicine/vaccnine against your will.

name ONE drug or medical treatment a business can force their employee to take to stay employed.
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Name one drug: literally every health care employer requires measles, polio and smallpox vaccinations.
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do they? thats on the application? pretty sure its illegal for them to ask for any of your medical history via the americans with disabilities act. (edit: oh i see you said "health care provider", which is a bit different than what we are talking about here with other workplaces)

i have NEVER been asked for any proof of vaccination ever or medical history to apply for a job, have you?
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You asked for an example of “one drug or medical treatment” a business can “force on their employee.” I provided three. Yes, in a hospital setting, vaccinations are required to prevent the spread of disease. Does that surprise you?
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These garbage "vaccines" DO NOT prevent the spread of disease. In fact evidence is mounting that they may make it worse.
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The ultimate stop-gap against an employer mandating tyranny/death was always employees taking their ball and going home -- FIND ANOTHER JOB.

This gov mandate was an attempt to eliminate that option as it incorporated that tyranny/death at every job. It was pure evil and illegal.

Employers can mandate nearly anything they want as long as they can (good faith) claim it impacts productivity or safety. They don't have to qualify that to you or me.

BUT THEY WILL BE LIABLE FOR IT. And that is where the civil courts/system do their work.

Everyone gets this unless you have a learning disability. If an employer doesn't give you any situation you want up-front, you leave/pass on the job. If you are harmed in the course of employment, you sue. Winning a judgement doesn't eliminate the harm you took as a condition of employment!

This is why people needed to stand up against the mandate, no matter the "rules." The ability for employers to be accountable for what they have done doesn't outweigh the risk of the [non-solutiony thing].

You're never going to have a system, in a "free" country, where everyone believes and acts the way you do. The key was being able to associate and work with/for the people you want in your life.

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Name one drug: literally every health care employer requires measles, polio and smallpox vaccinations.
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do they? thats on the application? pretty sure its illegal for them to ask for any of your medical history via the americans with disabilities act. (edit: oh i see you said "health care provider", which is a bit different than what we are talking about here with other workplaces)

i have NEVER been asked for any proof of vaccination ever or medical history to apply for a job, have you?
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You asked for an example of “one drug or medical treatment” a business can “force on their employee.” I provided three. Yes, in a hospital setting, vaccinations are required to prevent the spread of disease. Does that surprise you?
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nah, you're probably right there. congrats. i'm not sure what they require to work in a place like that but would assume you would.

but i wasn't really talking about people working in a hospital or healthcare.

was more referring to places like grocery stores, banks, retail, etc.
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You’re correct that it’s much less common elsewhere. I would think places like nursing homes, outpatient clinics of various sorts, etc. would have similar requirements. College campuses require vaccinations of various sorts as a condition of admission. Things of that nature. I’m sure there’s a more comprehensive list somewhere online.
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This will prove to be the undoing of any business or employer. They will go broke and lose their best to their competition . BOYCOTTS incoming as well.
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Problem is these shots aren't vaccines.

Don't let them gas light you and get away with it.

We had laws on the books for horse theft. Then cars came along.

How ridiculous if some unelected bureaucrat in Washington was to declare "well now 'horse' means 'any method of personal transportation!'"

It wouldn't stand. Because a horse and a car ain't the same damn thing! We had to enact new laws for cars.

Are there laws and statutes and case law allowing for vaccines for schools etc?Sure.

But this ain't one.

That is the talking point and the legal argument that needs to start being made by AGs and like.

Because if we are going to accept as a society that we can retroactively apply meaning to laws and case law written before definitions changed, by changing those definitions today in the present, we effectively upend nearly 500 years of common law principles!!!!!!!

ITS NOT A VACCINE.

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Companies will back down. The ruling just came out yesterday. Right now they are all scrambling to come out with their new policy, which will not require vaccine. Sad for those who already took it, but life goes on. Live and learn.
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You cannot force this… you can try to spin it however you want but mandating an EUA drug is illegal…

The only reason they are doing it is because you people are to stupid and weak to stand up for yourself.
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You clowns don’t get it. I’m saying there is NO LEGAL RECOURSE here in the United States of the type you’re describing. Do you not understand?

I agree with you that it’s wrong and SHOULD be illegal. I’m telling you that it plainly IS legal under established law and precedent for employers to mandate a jab.

Good luck finding a lawyer to represent you. It won’t happen.

thwak
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so they can force employees to take the HPV vaccine? the flu vaccine?

as someone mentioned before with drug testing.... smoking weed or doing drugs willingly and being tested for that doesn't equate to being force to take a medicine/vaccnine against your will.

name ONE drug or medical treatment a business can force their employee to take to stay employed.
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Name one drug: literally every health care employer requires measles, polio and smallpox vaccinations.
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Well, that's not a drug.

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21 US code of federal regulations:
section 50.23 and 24 it is illegal to coerce anyone into an experimental medical program.
Civil violation of law.

18 US code of federal regulations:
section 2331 and subsection 802
coercing someone to take part in a medical experiment is also domestic terrorism.
This is a felony with 99 year prison term.
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Does that not mean that the employers will be culpable of something does go wrong?
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what the SCOTUS did yesterday is a 3/4 lose for the Americans, it was pure charade of a decision

they decided like the Government can not enact the mandates, but private businesses can still do it, so if you're living in Liberal ruled areas, you're fucked

another point is, that hospitals that get the MEDICARE AND MEDICAID aid, means the Government is refunding 70% of their operating and servicing costs, will also have to mandate it per the SCOTUS ruling, so in essence

the plan is this, on the long run, they'll seek to destroy the small and medium businesses in order then for the Government to have the chance to bail them out, thus if they'll want the money that will save them from bankruptcy, you'll get the funds, but you'll need to take the jabs same as those above mentioned hospitals and the people working in them

it's basically a tool to destroy the Capitalism and usher in Communism, in the end, the agenda is to NATIONALIZE these businesses and operations, with one word, CORPORATIZATION (The result of corporatization is the creation of state-owned corporations (or corporations at other government levels, such as municipally owned corporations) of everything you know and in order to work, do businesses with them, you'll have to take the jabs, see how this works...the plebs always get fucked heh
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The Biden administration’s nationwide Covid-19 vaccine-or-testing mandate for large private employers is dead, following the 6-3 Supreme Court opinion Thursday. But for many companies and their workers, a jab will still be a job requirement.

[link to www.barrons.com (secure)]

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I work for a corporation with 12,000 employees. They are finalizing their headquarters move from Los Angeles to Phoenix in 2 months to get away from the bullshit.
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Companies will back down. The ruling just came out yesterday. Right now they are all scrambling to come out with their new policy, which will not require vaccine. Sad for those who already took it, but life goes on. Live and learn.
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Does it though?

The experiment achieved self-selection of the most neurotic and hysteric people in society to opt-in against a disease with a 99%+ survival rate.

Followed by the weakest/most leveraged (irresponsible) to be compelled against their interests.

What happens when the actual AE rates are known? What happens when it's obvious some of those are long(er)-term?

Group 1: Goes bat crazy. These are weaponized humans. Forget having a functioning society/economy. Bare shelves are a new normal.

Group 2: Long term liabilities on social programs and a voting block (red > blue conversion)

I don't think life just goes on for those who took or those who didn't.
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these companies will be sued into oblivion once the lawsuites hit ... they will cease to exist.
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their share of the trade shall be the lake of fire and like the false prophet which is the vatican harlet that decieved all nations by giving them poisons! SHALL NOT BE FOUND!
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The Biden administration’s nationwide Covid-19 vaccine-or-testing mandate for large private employers is dead, following the 6-3 Supreme Court opinion Thursday. But for many companies and their workers, a jab will still be a job requirement.

[link to www.barrons.com (secure)]

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I work for a corporation with 12,000 employees. They are finalizing their headquarters move from Los Angeles to Phoenix in 2 months to get away from the bullshit.
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Companies will back down. The ruling just came out yesterday. Right now they are all scrambling to come out with their new policy, which will not require vaccine. Sad for those who already took it, but life goes on. Live and learn.
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Does it though?

The experiment achieved self-selection of the most neurotic and hysteric people in society to opt-in against a disease with a 99%+ survival rate.

Followed by the weakest/most leveraged (irresponsible) to be compelled against their interests.

What happens when the actual AE rates are known? What happens when it's obvious some of those are long(er)-term?

Group 1: Goes bat crazy. These are weaponized humans. Forget having a functioning society/economy. Bare shelves are a new normal.

Group 2: Long term liabilities on social programs and a voting block (red > blue conversion)

I don't think life just goes on for those who took or those who didn't.
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Yes, life goes on. We live, we die. The in between is what WE make of it. I’ll continue to enjoy life until the day I die. It’s really not that big of a deal, unless you have nothing to enjoy. I enjoy life, the good and the bad.
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The Biden administration’s nationwide Covid-19 vaccine-or-testing mandate for large private employers is dead, following the 6-3 Supreme Court opinion Thursday. But for many companies and their workers, a jab will still be a job requirement.

[link to www.barrons.com (secure)]

asswipes
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I work for a corporation with 12,000 employees. They are finalizing their headquarters move from Los Angeles to Phoenix in 2 months to get away from the bullshit.
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clappa

lucky
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The Biden administration’s nationwide Covid-19 vaccine-or-testing mandate for large private employers is dead, following the 6-3 Supreme Court opinion Thursday. But for many companies and their workers, a jab will still be a job requirement.

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Not in Texas

Or Florida

I hope these states make it a CRIMINAL offense to require vaxx and not just a fine
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Those companies will be sued out of existence..

Try it.
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Problem is these shots aren't vaccines.

Don't let them gas light you and get away with it.

We had laws on the books for horse theft. Then cars came along.

How ridiculous if some unelected bureaucrat in Washington was to declare "well now 'horse' means 'any method of personal transportation!'"

It wouldn't stand. Because a horse and a car ain't the same damn thing! We had to enact new laws for cars.

Are there laws and statutes and case law allowing for vaccines for schools etc?Sure.

But this ain't one.

That is the talking point and the legal argument that needs to start being made by AGs and like.

Because if we are going to accept as a society that we can retroactively apply meaning to laws and case law written before definitions changed, by changing those definitions today in the present, we effectively upend nearly 500 years of common law principles!!!!!!!

ITS NOT A VACCINE.

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After this, we can't trust any "vaccines".
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Problem is these shots aren't vaccines.

Don't let them gas light you and get away with it.

We had laws on the books for horse theft. Then cars came along.

How ridiculous if some unelected bureaucrat in Washington was to declare "well now 'horse' means 'any method of personal transportation!'"

It wouldn't stand. Because a horse and a car ain't the same damn thing! We had to enact new laws for cars.

Are there laws and statutes and case law allowing for vaccines for schools etc?Sure.

But this ain't one.

That is the talking point and the legal argument that needs to start being made by AGs and like.

Because if we are going to accept as a society that we can retroactively apply meaning to laws and case law written before definitions changed, by changing those definitions today in the present, we effectively upend nearly 500 years of common law principles!!!!!!!

ITS NOT A VACCINE.

 Quoting: TrufSerumX


After this, we can't trust any "vaccines".
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Or doctors.
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It will and they will face lawsuits for it.
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Yeah but if terminated due to no vax now with SCOTUS ruling, companies can be sued, class action style.
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Wrong
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How exactly is this wrong .
Me thinks you are missing the implications that can be extrapolated ...
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That's when the word Sue stops being a name and becomes a verb.
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You can only sue if the vaccine injures you in some way, because they will have lost legal immunity through OSHA, or if there is something established in state law.

You can also sue if local mandates contradict the state's constitution.

I pray for devastating lawsuits of course, but this is a learning opportunity for those who don't know how the federalist system works just yet
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So private companies can make you drug test even in states that have legalized weed but they can't make you take this so called vaccine?

Seems to me private companies can pretty much set their own rules, let them hang themselves.
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Stop acting like an idiot…

BUSINESS CAN DO WHATEVER THEY WANT.

They just don’t have liability protection from doing whatever they want..

Business have done illegal practices since the beginning of time…

And time again and again they are caught, brought to justice and sued into oblivion…

Again, for the final time, they are only doing this because you’re not standing up. Because you allow them to do it..

Discrimination is illegal yet we have 1000’s of cases every year that occur…

Either stand up or stop bitching.
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Bingo!

Someone who actually gets it.
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You don’t get how the law actually works. That much is clear.
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Comments in this thread are basically all right, and wrong at the same time.

Yes the SCOTUS ruled a stay, however, they pushed it back to the state level, so companies that are situated in liberal states, and have liberal bosses will suffer still. Can they eventually sue, sure but winning case laws will need to be established first.





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