What effect will the Metaverse have on humanity?

I totally agree. As I've come to embrace change (regardless of whether I see it as positive or negative) my life and outlook on the world has improved tremendously.

I may disagree with the premise based on my own prejudice, but it's happening whether I like it or not and getting left behind is no fun. Investment sounds like a good idea.

Overhyped, just like 3D TV. It is something that sounds cool in concept, but I expect most people will get bored with it quick and move on.

about the same as the super nes

in 10 years youll be saying how bad you got scammed by this and 99% of crypto currency

It intrinsically changes our relationship with data. It creates visualization of ideas. The purveyor is irrelevent as content creators will break free of default coding to innovate.

Popularity has never been a gauge of the underlying value of an idea as ideas are adopted slowly by most.

How wrong you are.

The issue here is that you, as with a least 95% of people, don't actually understand the technology.

You're thinking purely in terms of the "technological ideal", which never actually eventuates (ie. hover boards, flying cars, servant robots, etc).

Beyond the technology gap in imagination and time, there are also the sociological changes that outpace the speed of "progress" and development every time, in a virtual world.

ALL these concepts clash in a virtual world, and the inevitable problem of "complexity" arises.

Ask yourself; Can a "specification" be written that accurately describes every object, and possible collection of objects, in the world?

The answer is; that to describe every object with appropriate context would take more resources than the reality you are trying to describe. In other words, achieving an engaging and appropriate level of virtuality will always be more "effort" than achieving the same effect in the real world.

The "Metaverse" or the "virtual world" is a resource hungry place... just the heat the and power that are required to run the data centres for such a virtual world are enormous, precious metal rich and unsustainable, let alone the cumulative power of all the individual devices to access the "world" (graphics cards have already been mentioned in this thread).

The "Metaverse" is ALREDY facing a data storage problem, and it doesn't even look good, or is very big yet. Generally it is one big gimmick.

To be perpetually engaging to humans, an actual virtual simulacrum of the real world would require more resources to make and run the computers and storage facility's than the actual world has at it's disposal.

Quite simply "data" is already boiling the world, let alone what the "Metaverse" will add to the problem.

"Data storage" ("Edge" computing won't cut it) is now the "run away train" of our age.

That is why the "Metaverse" just won't ever work as they envisage.

We are creating the Matrix. We assumed we were already in it ... but perhaps it’s simply yet-to-come.

Matrix.
Metaverse.

Same concept.

Eh how can you make bugs like doing nothing but annoying intercoarse also in the bed with the sleepy guys.

And with i rather do it close...

You know who else lives in their own little imaginary world?
Retards

It will be very useful and popular in niche markets, but no... VR is not going to be the new smartphone anytime soon.

It's too prohibitively expensive like I said before.

Smartphones didn't take off until manufacturers got the cost down to like 100 bucks for a cheap samsung.

That's why social media took off like a rocket, not because of wealthy folk that could afford the new 999.99 iphone...

Same thing for gaming consoles... sony, microsoft, nintendo, etc. know that they need to keep the hardware price under 500 bucks so it can be bought as a christmas/birthday present.

Until they make a self-contained headset with a badass GPU onboard for under 500 dollars... it's all just a pipe dream.

WHAT IF.... the chip and GPU shortage is because they are secretly mass-manufacturing a VR headset for mass adoption of this Metaverse shit, for the rollout?

Or maybe they are building a fleet of killer robots to slaughter the unvaccinated?

Lol.

Technological ideals are never reached, but can we reach them sufficiently is the question. You're thinking in terms of local resources to support the metaverse, (ie. local CPUs and graphics cards). All that would be done on a "cloud". Similarly, most of the objects in a metaverse would be based on generic templates, as is done so well in gaming). 5 and 6G will be necessary to handle all this complex transfer of data. Cloud speed and storage limitations will be overcome with evolving technologies.

I believe you are correct in surmising that the metaverse won't work as originally envisioned. It will continually be a work in progress, with challenges we can't yet imagine until we get there.

I believe that the hardware would eventually be no more than a pocket-sized processor and a Bluetooth connected pair of glasses.

I hear that Meta is giving away the hardware to get people into this.

It will be affordable because the metaverse will be paid for by advertising.

Slavery

I think the movie despite it's plot Ready Player One is a pretty close depiction of what these fuckers want the world to be.
The divide will only become broader, more bread & circus to keep your eyes off the great swindle.

In this case, with our current approach to economics, the answer to whether "virtual worlds" are possible outside of niche areas, is a solid "No".

There will be no ubiquitous virtual world.

I'm actually thinking broadly (and singularly... the concepts are intertwined) in terms of resources, to "all related resources", as a ratio of all needed data capacity to handle the increasing complexity of additional humans (there is a reason online video games are split into servers, with about 1000 players per server).

You hit on the exact problem with, the "cloud". A better way to say the "cloud", is "someone else's computers".

The "cloud" actually takes more resources and infrastructure than a distributed network of independent computers.

Also, there are no "evolving technologies" that will handle our growing data requirements. The only possible avenue within reach is biological computers (ie using DNA as a storage medium... specifically the "junk DNA" in humans has been flagged as the perfect vehicle for this... yikes... sounds like wifi computers injected into us... hmmm... vaccines?... nah... couldn't be).

To put the "data storage crisis" in context:

Microsoft is just in the process of completing 40 new data centres (Note: these "Data centres" or "cloud storage facility's" are HUGE!!!... think miles of 4 storey buildings, filled with stacks of computers. The associated cooling systems for these "cloud storage facility's" are equally enormous). There are hundreds (if not thousands) of these "facility's" being built or planned by the giant organisations and major governments across the world.

They generally put these facility's in remote areas, traditionally used for agriculture (these faciltily's need access to a lot of cooling water... farm water will do). Quite a few are being built in Papa New Guinea, replacing swaths of farmland (hmmmm... trading food for data... doesn't seem smart).

Microsoft says they will need to build 200-300 of these "facility's" over the next 5 years to keep up with data storage demands (the "pandemic" has created huge data storage requirements with all the check-ins, track-and-tracing and "passports"... not to mention videos grandma).

There are no plans beyond 5 years out for giant "data centres", because the resource required to build even more "facility's, literally does not exist in the supply chain beyond that point.

The scary part is that, of the data centres currently being built, at least 80% of the "storage space" has already been allocated... and they're not even built yet!

Also, let's not mention the heat these "facility's" generate, if you want to avoid "Environmentalism" discussions.

No-one is mentioning the data storage requirements for a live, interactive, MASSIVE online environment like the Metaverse (think billions of gigabit textures, saved as instances for each different "interaction"... again... yikes), when apparently billions will be using it... hmmm

The point is, that there is a data axiom... "data begets data" (ie. the more data you make, leads to more data being made, leads to more data, leads to more data... etc.. ad infinitum... you get the picture). We WILL run out of space... and soon!

We need a different "data" paradigm, if "data" is to not crush the world.

We need a "subtractive" approach to AR, VR and data in general... which is a whole other topic, but also related to why the Metaverse will never work in our current social and economic paradigms.

There is also the "people resources" to be considered in the equation... ie. where do "humans" collectively put their effort?... currently it is into watching Netflix (would you rather watch a movie, or spend years making virtual 3D rocks, for 5 cents a rock?... so a beach scene looks correct?).

Bridging the Metaverse and Netflix is a technological chasm that can not be breached. They are two very different sociological outcomes, and the Metaverse can't be forced into the Netflix paradigm... but they'll destroy the world trying.

There are approaches that can work, but our business models don't currently allow for them

the true metaverse will be indistinguishable from reality

I think that's what they're preparing us for

lol... just like Coke Zero is indistinguishable from Coke Classic?... or any other marketing drivel?... have you even used a VR headset?... "indistinguishable from reality".... bwhahaha hahaha haha... good one.

Read the previous post.

That's exactly why I mentioned the current GPU/chip shortage.

It's almost as if they are building something with our resources at mass scale.

Like I said, the only way to pull this off is to practically GIVE people the hardware.

It's so expensive to run good VR today.

No one is going to be dropping 3500.00 to look at cartoon characters in VR until it's basically free.

Ya know?

Remember the movie Lawn Mower Man?

You beat me to it.





Absolutely awesome movie.

Last Edited by Reebl on 01/18/2022 02:15 PM

lol

Great thread.

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