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Cornfox
(OP) User ID: 71741131 United States 02/20/2022 07:46 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | 9 rate hikes is not going to do anything to reduce inflation. At this point, you would need 40 rate hikes or similar. Rates need to be well above 7% to make any kind of small impact. Quoting: StayCurious Yes. We needed a hawk in the Fed like Volker 2 years ago. But I doubt even he could save the dollar at this point. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 80692706 United States 02/20/2022 07:47 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Wouldn't matter if costs went up, since that would put the interest rates at like 2.5%-3.0%. The amount of interest you would get from the bank would be so ridiculous that you could eat out every day. Unless you're not really a saver.. And that's not even accounting for Russia invading Ukraine. They haven't even factored that in. Or Israel launching a war on Iran. All those variables haven't even been factored in.. |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 77038832 United States 02/20/2022 08:05 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | if we truly had a multi party system and the democrats were doing all thats going on right now, the other partys would rise to the occasion and they would entirely wipe out the democrat party in the next two elections instead, the republicans arent even running anyone in major areas for the next election take NYS for example, countless places in nys are massively struggling and people are begging for help and dying for help all someone has to do is run against the dems and they win but the parties are running no one. They stay silent and dont even announce a candidate until its too late sure feels like a hostile take over doesnt feel like we have elections or leaders anymore |
StayCurious
User ID: 82141532 United States 02/20/2022 08:12 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | 9 rate hikes is not going to do anything to reduce inflation. At this point, you would need 40 rate hikes or similar. Rates need to be well above 7% to make any kind of small impact. Quoting: StayCurious Yes. We needed a hawk in the Fed like Volker 2 years ago. But I doubt even he could save the dollar at this point. Sadly, I agree. The hole is just too big in 2022. It was very different in 1980. |
Cornfox
(OP) User ID: 71741131 United States 02/20/2022 08:20 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | 9 rate hikes is not going to do anything to reduce inflation. At this point, you would need 40 rate hikes or similar. Rates need to be well above 7% to make any kind of small impact. Quoting: StayCurious Yes. We needed a hawk in the Fed like Volker 2 years ago. But I doubt even he could save the dollar at this point. Sadly, I agree. The hole is just too big in 2022. It was very different in 1980. And the momentum of it should be causing panic. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 82225333 02/20/2022 08:33 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | if we truly had a multi party system and the democrats were doing all thats going on right now, the other partys would rise to the occasion and they would entirely wipe out the democrat party in the next two elections Quoting: Anonymous Coward 77038832 instead, the republicans arent even running anyone in major areas for the next election take NYS for example, countless places in nys are massively struggling and people are begging for help and dying for help all someone has to do is run against the dems and they win but the parties are running no one. They stay silent and dont even announce a candidate until its too late sure feels like a hostile take over doesnt feel like we have elections or leaders anymore It’s all orchestrated by the fuckers. If it wasn’t evident before then it certainly was after that “election” 14 months ago. |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 82070971 Netherlands 02/21/2022 12:12 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | INFLATION REVERSES TO WHAT PRICES WERE BEFORE INFLATION STARTED, BEFORE THE FIRST EVER INFLATION...AND WAGES STAY THE SAME. includes everything....why should an oil rich country like the usa have high prices for oil and gas for it's real citizens? |
MadCitySleeper
User ID: 81452734 02/21/2022 12:20 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | That won't prevent you from having negative equity when the price of your house drops to half of what it currently is. You can only sell the house to someone who will buy it. Someone is only going to buy it for a price they can afford to pay for it. If they have to pay 7% on their mortgage, they can't buy a house at the price you paid for it. |
StayCurious
User ID: 82141532 United States 02/21/2022 12:25 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | 9 rate hikes is not going to do anything to reduce inflation. At this point, you would need 40 rate hikes or similar. Rates need to be well above 7% to make any kind of small impact. Quoting: StayCurious Yes. We needed a hawk in the Fed like Volker 2 years ago. But I doubt even he could save the dollar at this point. Sadly, I agree. The hole is just too big in 2022. It was very different in 1980. And the momentum of it should be causing panic. Should be, yes. But people are sort of in this euphoria right now. They think this cheap money ride is going to go on forever. I don't even think this stock market could survive a 2% rate increase. I mean, it would survive, but it would lose 40% or more of its nominal value. I don't think many people realize that the government is stuck. They have to either let all the asset bubbles collapse in a horrible fashion, or they have to keep creating massive inflation to keep them up. |
StayCurious
User ID: 82141532 United States 02/21/2022 12:28 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | That won't prevent you from having negative equity when the price of your house drops to half of what it currently is. You can only sell the house to someone who will buy it. Someone is only going to buy it for a price they can afford to pay for it. If they have to pay 7% on their mortgage, they can't buy a house at the price you paid for it. Good points. People think rates do not matter, but they are super important for the monthly payment. Most people could not afford a home right now if the rates were at 7% (with current prices). Prices will come down if this happens. Doesn't matter if it's expensive to build homes -- homes will only sell for what people can afford. And Blackrock and investors are not buying up all the homes. Even Blackrock does not want to buy everything at the top of the market. |
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Cardiak
User ID: 81062799 United States 02/21/2022 12:35 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | That won't prevent you from having negative equity when the price of your house drops to half of what it currently is. You can only sell the house to someone who will buy it. Someone is only going to buy it for a price they can afford to pay for it. If they have to pay 7% on their mortgage, they can't buy a house at the price you paid for it. Good points. People think rates do not matter, but they are super important for the monthly payment. Most people could not afford a home right now if the rates were at 7% (with current prices). Prices will come down if this happens. Doesn't matter if it's expensive to build homes -- homes will only sell for what people can afford. And Blackrock and investors are not buying up all the homes. Even Blackrock does not want to buy everything at the top of the market. Mortgage rates peaked at around 18% in the 1980s as we battled inflation and spent a few years around 13-16% percent. Good luck even finding a single buyer who isn’t 100% cash when that happens |
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StayCurious
User ID: 82141532 United States 02/21/2022 12:38 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Mortgage rates peaked at around 18% in the 1980s as we battled inflation and spent a few years around 13-16% percent. Good luck even finding a single buyer who isn’t 100% cash when that happens Quoting: Cardiak Yeah. Pretty similar to 2009 (not in rates, but in people who had cash were rewarded). Some people got homes at great prices if they had all cash. The only thing different this time is that we're not sure how much that same cash will buy when this thing goes down. Homes might crash in real terms, but nominal terms may be the same or similar. Last Edited by StayCurious on 02/21/2022 12:38 AM |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 80891382 Azerbaijan 02/21/2022 12:56 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | JPMorgan Now Expects Nine Straight Fed Rate Increases Until March 2023 Quoting: Cornfox 25 basis points per meeting until March next year. Will this prevent my beans from going up in price 10 cents every 3 weeks? [link to www.barrons.com (secure)] :kidneybeans: It's not going to be enough. The Fed is already behind the eight ball. True inflation is running 15% on an annual basis. They are hoping and praying that raising rates a little bit will cause markets to crash and also cause a recession to bring inflation down because they can't raise rates in any meaningful way without completely collapsing the economy. The economy is going to collapse regardless but they don't want to accept the blame or responsibility by raising rates as required. Last time inflation was this bad short term interest rates were at 21%. Home mortgages were over 15%. The Fed is trapped in a box of their own creation. They have kept rates too low for too long allowing congress to spend like drunken sailors, no offense to drunken sailors intended. |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 80891382 Azerbaijan 02/21/2022 01:12 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Keynesian economics was doomed from the start. We get to watch it crash and burn. Wonderful. I only hope that we are smart enough to create something better upon the ashes. Klaus Schwab and his Marxist movement is not the answer. |
The Do..... Man
User ID: 79569974 United States 02/21/2022 01:14 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | No damn way they raise it even close. JP trying to get a sell-off to buy up cheap stock and assets knowing damn well the FED us going to utterly destroy the dollar and middle class finally with QE until Christ returns. If I only had a Brian |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 80891382 Azerbaijan 02/21/2022 01:21 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | No damn way they raise it even close. JP trying to get a sell-off to buy up cheap stock and assets knowing damn well the FED us going to utterly destroy the dollar and middle class finally with QE until Christ returns. Quoting: The Do..... Man It's complicated, many moving parts. The markets are being held up by just a few stocks now. The rest are zombies kept alive with massive money printing. Huge money fleeing from overseas is flowing into US markets keeping them up and the dollar strong. The US will be the last man standing. When overseas capital flows stop it's game over. When is that going to happen? Don't know, but it will happen. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 76691666 02/21/2022 01:26 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | JPMorgan Now Expects Nine Straight Fed Rate Increases Until March 2023 Quoting: Cornfox 25 basis points per meeting until March next year. Will this prevent my beans from going up in price 10 cents every 3 weeks? [link to www.barrons.com (secure)] :kidneybeans: Nope, beans will still go up. The fallacy that rate increases can clamp rampant inflation is garbage. Inflation ^ Biden to raise taxes^ Interest rates^ Consumers will be on GOV life support and the spiral continues at a faster rate until collapse. yep, no where to go. high prices, high inflation, lowest interest rates ever. yikes. |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 82225333 02/21/2022 01:33 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | JPMorgan Now Expects Nine Straight Fed Rate Increases Until March 2023 Quoting: Cornfox 25 basis points per meeting until March next year. Will this prevent my beans from going up in price 10 cents every 3 weeks? [link to www.barrons.com (secure)] :kidneybeans: It's not going to be enough. The Fed is already behind the eight ball. True inflation is running 15% on an annual basis. They are hoping and praying that raising rates a little bit will cause markets to crash and also cause a recession to bring inflation down because they can't raise rates in any meaningful way without completely collapsing the economy. The economy is going to collapse regardless but they don't want to accept the blame or responsibility by raising rates as required. Last time inflation was this bad short term interest rates were at 21%. Home mortgages were over 15%. The Fed is trapped in a box of their own creation. They have kept rates too low for too long allowing congress to spend like drunken sailors, no offense to drunken sailors intended. I guess there’s no chance of seeing perp walks. It didn’t just happen, someone caused it to happen. |