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VIDEO: Ludwig von Mises vs. Karl Marx (Capitalism vs. Socialism)

 
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"There is no means of avoiding the final collapse of a boom
brought about by credit expansion. The alternative is only
whether the crisis should come sooner as the result of
voluntary abandonment of further credit expansion, or later
as a final and total catastrophe of the currency system
involved."
~Ludwig von Mises, 1929
Chapter XX: Interest, Credit Expansion, The Trade Cycle, § 8
: The Monetary or Circulation Theory of the Trade Cycle



“We can ignore reality, but we cannot ignore the consequences
of ignoring reality.”
~Ayn Rand

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"Lenin was certainly right. There is no subtler, no surer
means of overturning the existing basis of society than to
debauch the currency
. The process engages all the hidden
forces of economic law on the side of destruction, and
does it in a manner which not one man in a million is able
to diagnose
."
~John Maynard Keynes, 1919
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dreadful

to think this shit is funded by billionaires as slop for the poors and this is the best they can do
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Copper jacketed lead delivered at high velocity cures the world of Socialism.
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Copper jacketed lead delivered at high velocity cures the world of Socialism.
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Subsonic delivered through a can works too.

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dreadful

to think this shit is funded by billionaires as slop for the poors and this is the best they can do
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As Thomas Piketty has analyzed Capitol in the 21st century -

inflation favors the holders of substantial capitol simply because they can afford the economic advisers needed to outperform the working class's return on investments.

Thus the rich get richer during inflation.

Slow growth economic policies favor the holders of substantial capitol because the return on Capitol is higher than the growth in savings. Therefore the rich get richer during slow growth.

Who stands for inflation and slow growth? liberals.
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I've followed Austrian economics for about 10 years now I think they're spot on about the business cycle. But I don't see that many Austrians condemning our corporate economy.

I mean a corporation is a creation of the state, they can't exist without charters granted to them by the state. This deafening silence from the Austrian crowd implicates them in this modern fascism we're all suffering under.
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Mises, Rothbard, Hayek

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reminds me of "Juice Rap News."

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Both did not have to work for a living.
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"There is no means of avoiding the final collapse of a boom
brought about by credit expansion. The alternative is only
whether the crisis should come sooner as the result of
voluntary abandonment of further credit expansion, or later
as a final and total catastrophe of the currency system
involved."
~Ludwig von Mises, 1929
Chapter XX: Interest, Credit Expansion, The Trade Cycle, § 8
: The Monetary or Circulation Theory of the Trade Cycle



“We can ignore reality, but we cannot ignore the consequences
of ignoring reality.”
~Ayn Rand
 Quoting: dr0id







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Realistically the ultimate form of society will be a hybrid of socialism and capitalism with set in stone checks and balances that cannot be corrupted or subjected to fraud...
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The only thing that will bring a socialist to reality is shock.Dump them in Seattle.
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The only thing that will bring a socialist to reality is shock.Dump them in Seattle.
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Sure. You can roll back all socialist precepts. Ditch all labor laws.

Drop all requirements for employers to provide safe work environments.

Drop all requirements for wages. You all can work for.25 cents an hour or less.

Drop all restrictions on employer usury.


Why stop there though. Go for the big socialist ideologies!

Eradicate ownership of private property.

Eradicate the Bill of Rights!

"We the people" sounds pretty socialistic. Kill it.
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Karl Marx was a front man. Communism was created by British Intelligence to destroy its enemies and solidify British control of international banking. I mean that's something you should know before you take many of his ideas seriously. They were made to destroy countries and that's what they did. It's sad but the British picked Marx because he was as close to a living grotesque anti-Semitic caricature as they could find. In his role as front man for communism/socialism, he was meant to be offensive and infuriating and condescending to basically everyone to the point that it would be familiar to fans of pro wrestling how he proudly wears the character of a blatant heel, i.e. he even played it up to make his bosses happy.

The Soviet Union was industrially dysfunctional leading up to WWII because of Marx's objectively scientifically wrong ideas about manufacturing and industrial policy etc. The US had to send Dr Armand Hammer to help them fix up their industrial production in order to beat Hitler.

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Communism/socialism was also in part made to destroy the great enemy of aristocracies: liberty. Universities were bought off and liberty was replaced with libertarian. Libertarian means the government doing nothing. Liberty is the government doing things for the common good and shared benefit to all. If a socialist policy seems to actually work, it's most like a liberty in socialist disguise, and socialism taking credit for liberty.
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Both did not have to work for a living.
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allows for thinking time
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Laugh
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Socialism is against property rights. Pro-socialists should have their property rights removed.

More on property right here at page 4:
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Karl Marx was a front man. Communism was created by British Intelligence to destroy its enemies and solidify British control of international banking. I mean that's something you should know before you take many of his ideas seriously. They were made to destroy countries and that's what they did. It's sad but the British picked Marx because he was as close to a living grotesque anti-Semitic caricature as they could find. In his role as front man for communism/socialism, he was meant to be offensive and infuriating and condescending to basically everyone to the point that it would be familiar to fans of pro wrestling how he proudly wears the character of a blatant heel, i.e. he even played it up to make his bosses happy.

The Soviet Union was industrially dysfunctional leading up to WWII because of Marx's objectively scientifically wrong ideas about manufacturing and industrial policy etc. The US had to send Dr Armand Hammer to help them fix up their industrial production in order to beat Hitler.

[link to en.wikipedia.org (secure)]

Communism/socialism was also in part made to destroy the great enemy of aristocracies: liberty. Universities were bought off and liberty was replaced with libertarian. Libertarian means the government doing nothing. Liberty is the government doing things for the common good and shared benefit to all. If a socialist policy seems to actually work, it's most like a liberty in socialist disguise, and socialism taking credit for liberty.
 Quoting: LobsterJ


Bawahahahaa!!

The British invented Communism and the Central Banking dynasties...
Thanks for the laughs!!
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Karl Marx was a front man. Communism was created by British Intelligence to destroy its enemies and solidify British control of international banking. I mean that's something you should know before you take many of his ideas seriously. They were made to destroy countries and that's what they did. It's sad but the British picked Marx because he was as close to a living grotesque anti-Semitic caricature as they could find. In his role as front man for communism/socialism, he was meant to be offensive and infuriating and condescending to basically everyone to the point that it would be familiar to fans of pro wrestling how he proudly wears the character of a blatant heel, i.e. he even played it up to make his bosses happy.

The Soviet Union was industrially dysfunctional leading up to WWII because of Marx's objectively scientifically wrong ideas about manufacturing and industrial policy etc. The US had to send Dr Armand Hammer to help them fix up their industrial production in order to beat Hitler.

[link to en.wikipedia.org (secure)]

Communism/socialism was also in part made to destroy the great enemy of aristocracies: liberty. Universities were bought off and liberty was replaced with libertarian. Libertarian means the government doing nothing. Liberty is the government doing things for the common good and shared benefit to all. If a socialist policy seems to actually work, it's most like a liberty in socialist disguise, and socialism taking credit for liberty.
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That's a huge lie.
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Socialism is against property rights. Pro-socialists should have their property rights removed.

More on property right here at page 4:
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Not in all cases.
Under Hitler for example...
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The official story of Marx makes no sense, he was a slob loser bum degenerate who no one liked. How did this grade-A zilch end up overturning half the world with his crappy shrill philosophy? He had help, obviously. What was he doing in London anyway? The beer in those days was disgusting to the German palette, for starters!
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The official story of Marx makes no sense, he was a slob loser bum degenerate who no one liked. How did this grade-A zilch end up overturning half the world with his crappy shrill philosophy? He had help, obviously. What was he doing in London anyway? The beer in those days was disgusting to the German palette, for starters!
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He was a FAR better propagandist than an economist.

His system is a blueprint for the totalitarian fascist societies of the 20th century. His ideas enabled sociopaths to violently take over society, basically.
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Hollywood on trial is a 1.7 hour black and white video created from television of the day. Begins about 1947 and proceeds forward several years.

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The official story of Marx makes no sense, he was a slob loser bum degenerate who no one liked. How did this grade-A zilch end up overturning half the world with his crappy shrill philosophy? He had help, obviously. What was he doing in London anyway? The beer in those days was disgusting to the German palette, for starters!
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Yes. He had been run out of Germany and Paris. Lived on donations and would send his children out to beg.

Only right that a man who couldn't feed his own children would develop a political and economic system for nations such that said nations couldn't feed themselves either.
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The fifth plank of the communist manifesto makes the claim that the credit of a nation is the property of the government and that a central bank should administer such collectivized credit.

This took place under Roosevelt in the 1930s and the US has been under a communist system of banking ever since.
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Patrick Byrne on Changing Lives and Stopping Corruption with Blockchain

Posted to YouTube about three years ago, but still of very high importance.

Fifty minutes long; the first ~about 25 minutes is about his background, education, and personal connections. The second about 25 minutes is about property rights. (Socialism is about the abolition of property rights - thus "You will own nothing.") The very end of this video is about the DTTC (Depository Trust & Trading Corporation) and Cede & Company which gets into "You will own nothing" again..

Patrick Byrne doesn't seem to recognize how the government and the banks collectivized the credit of this nation and now claim to be rightful owners.

This ownership of money and credit is what Prof. Auriti was talking about twenty years ago when he asked how value was imputed to money and thereafter who is the rightful owner.

Honoring property rights lies at the heart of western prosperity and is the reversal of several thousand years of serfdom.

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PROPERTY RIGHTS: THE KEY TO ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT

This has been recognized by scholars for some years now; reference:

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The very key to all property rights is the ownership of your own money and credit.
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Identity theft writ large.

Uncle Sam stole your credit card, maxed it out, called in and got your limits raised and maxed it out again.

Now Sam is complaining because you aren't keeping up the payments.

The correct role for the bank in a system of mutual credit is an agency role where the people are recognized as the creditors.

The agency role responsibilities need to be clearly spelled out in law and policy.

The banking system in mutual credit as money must be run as a not-for-profit with all after expenses funds returned to the people or given to charity.

If you had a group of bridge engineers and every bridge they engineered would fall down - how long would it take to decide to fire their asses and find people who built bridges that did not fall down?





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