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WTF !! OMG !! OFFICIAL !! NYT : AMERICANS ARE HOSTILE TO KNOWLEDGE !! (except for GLPers)

 
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February 14, 2008
Dumb and Dumber: Are Americans Hostile to Knowledge?
By PATRICIA COHEN
A popular video on YouTube shows Kellie Pickler, the adorable platinum blonde from “American Idol,” appearing on the Fox game show “Are You Smarter Than a 5th Grader?” during celebrity week. Selected from a third-grade geography curriculum, the $25,000 question asked: “Budapest is the capital of what European country?”

Ms. Pickler threw up both hands and looked at the large blackboard perplexed. “I thought Europe was a country,” she said. Playing it safe, she chose to copy the answer offered by one of the genuine fifth graders: Hungary. “Hungry?” she said, eyes widening in disbelief. “That’s a country? I’ve heard of Turkey. But Hungry? I’ve never heard of it.”

Such, uh, lack of global awareness is the kind of thing that drives Susan Jacoby, author of “The Age of American Unreason,” up a wall. Ms. Jacoby is one of a number of writers with new books that bemoan the state of American culture.

Joining the circle of curmudgeons this season is Eric G. Wilson, whose “Against Happiness” warns that the “American obsession with happiness” could “well lead to a sudden extinction of the creative impulse, that could result in an extermination as horrible as those foreshadowed by global warming and environmental crisis and nuclear proliferation.”

Then there is Lee Siegel’s “Against the Machine: Being Human in the Age of the Electronic Mob,” which inveighs against the Internet for encouraging solipsism, debased discourse and arrant commercialization. Mr. Siegel, one might remember, was suspended by The New Republic for using a fake online persona in order to trash critics of his blog (“you couldn’t tie Siegel’s shoelaces”) and to praise himself (“brave, brilliant”).

Ms. Jacoby, whose book came out on Tuesday, doesn’t zero in on a particular technology or emotion, but rather on what she feels is a generalized hostility to knowledge. She is well aware that some may tag her a crank. “I expect to get bashed,” said Ms. Jacoby, 62, either as an older person who upbraids the young for plummeting standards and values, or as a secularist whose defense of scientific rationalism is a way to disparage religion.

Ms. Jacoby, however, is quick to point out that her indictment is not limited by age or ideology. Yes, she knows that eggheads, nerds, bookworms, longhairs, pointy heads, highbrows and know-it-alls have been mocked and dismissed throughout American history. And liberal and conservative writers, from Richard Hofstadter to Allan Bloom, have regularly analyzed the phenomenon and offered advice.

T. J. Jackson Lears, a cultural historian who edits the quarterly review Raritan, said, “The tendency to this sort of lamentation is perennial in American history,” adding that in periods “when political problems seem intractable or somehow frozen, there is a turn toward cultural issues.”

But now, Ms. Jacoby said, something different is happening: anti-intellectualism (the attitude that “too much learning can be a dangerous thing”) and anti-rationalism (“the idea that there is no such things as evidence or fact, just opinion”) have fused in a particularly insidious way.

Not only are citizens ignorant about essential scientific, civic and cultural knowledge, she said, but they also don’t think it matters.

She pointed to a 2006 National Geographic poll that found nearly half of 18- to 24-year-olds don’t think it is necessary or important to know where countries in the news are located. So more than three years into the Iraq war, only 23 percent of those with some college could locate Iraq, Iran, Saudi Arabia and Israel on a map.

Ms. Jacoby, dressed in a bright red turtleneck with lipstick to match, was sitting, appropriately, in that temple of knowledge, the New York Public Library’s majestic Beaux Arts building on Fifth Avenue. The author of seven other books, she was a fellow at the library when she first got the idea for this book back in 2001, on 9/11.

Walking home to her Upper East Side apartment, she said, overwhelmed and confused, she stopped at a bar. As she sipped her bloody mary, she quietly listened to two men, neatly dressed in suits. For a second she thought they were going to compare that day’s horrifying attack to the Japanese bombing in 1941 that blew America into World War II:

“This is just like Pearl Harbor,” one of the men said.

The other asked, “What is Pearl Harbor?”

“That was when the Vietnamese dropped bombs in a harbor, and it started the Vietnam War,” the first man replied.

At that moment, Ms. Jacoby said, “I decided to write this book.”

Ms. Jacoby doesn’t expect to revolutionize the nation’s educational system or cause millions of Americans to switch off “American Idol” and pick up Schopenhauer. But she would like to start a conversation about why the United States seems particularly vulnerable to such a virulent strain of anti-intellectualism. After all, “the empire of infotainment doesn’t stop at the American border,” she said, yet students in many other countries consistently outperform American students in science, math and reading on comparative tests.

In part, she lays the blame on a failing educational system. “Although people are going to school more and more years, there’s no evidence that they know more,” she said.

Ms. Jacoby also blames religious fundamentalism’s antipathy toward science, as she grieves over surveys that show that nearly two-thirds of Americans want creationism to be taught along with evolution.

Ms. Jacoby doesn’t leave liberals out of her analysis, mentioning the New Left’s attacks on universities in the 1960s, the decision to consign African-American and women’s studies to an “academic ghetto” instead of integrating them into the core curriculum, ponderous musings on rock music and pop culture courses on everything from sitcoms to fat that trivialize college-level learning.

Avoiding the liberal or conservative label in this particular argument, she prefers to call herself a “cultural conservationist.”

For all her scholarly interests, though, Ms. Jacoby said she recognized just how hard it is to tune out the 24/7 entertainment culture. A few years ago she participated in the annual campaign to turn off the television for a week. “I was stunned at how difficult it was for me,” she said.

The surprise at her own dependency on electronic and visual media made her realize just how pervasive the culture of distraction is and how susceptible everyone is — even curmudgeons.
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In teh eighties I tuned out for several years, saw a movie or two, heard radio in other people's houses, cars. I listened to music, but just my records and they were mostly done before 1972 - maybe a few as late as 79,80.

I didn't look at newspapers. I read headlines in the machines and always knew I didn't want to see anymore. Lies and propaganda...

It was interesting, to say the least. Particularly when you live somewhere that looks the same as it did a hundred years ago. I did read some crazy shit, for sure. I read all the time, anything I could get my hands on.



After "the storm" we didn't have anything but one radio station for some time, no television, no internet. I had internet after the storm for a while, as I had a weird provider. One day, a while after the storm, it went away. I was sad.
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YUP "they" are dumbing down the people.
READ BOOKS
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WE are the proles of tomorrow!
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The masses have always been dumb. It is only with modern free education that society has expected the masses to be intelligent. What they discovered is that you can't control educated people very well. So they gave up on that ideal and now spend inordinate amounts o fmoney making sure that schools suck, that teachers are lame, and that people leave school unable to think on their own.
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America/Britain are completely and utter dumbed down as societies...The average high school grad today is the equivalent to a 7th grader, knowledge-wise to the grad of 25 or 30 years ago. As our evil corrupted society continues it's march toward tyranny, the dumbing down of it's inhabitants is vital to the control and abusive nature that is at the core of the human psyche...ie greed and the desire to exploit the wealth and labor of others to obtain a free ride...otherwise know as plunder...this is what comes about when you let the government establish a DEPT. OF EDU....no child left behind our control grid....does your daddy smoke pot, johnny?

The brainwashing and dumbing down of society is well documented in historical writings and elitist philosophy from the past...google John Taylor Gatto
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anti-intellectualism (the attitude that “too much learning can be a dangerous thing”) and anti-rationalism (“the idea that there is no such things as evidence or fact, just opinion”) have fused in a particularly insidious way.

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Yup that looks familiar here on GLP and pretty much every other contact I have with people (just the US?) on the internet.

I always wondered whether
they are kidding, obstinant or are they really serious. I guess it's the latter...
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my mom TELLS me to stop reading so much.
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let me guess, the earth is really round? SURE...
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Here is what most americans are interested in....Money (which does not always equate to knowing something of any importance), sex, drugs, cars, clothes, jewelry, status and title. That is about it for most americans...but not all of them.
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anti-intellectualism (the attitude that “too much learning can be a dangerous thing”) and anti-rationalism (“the idea that there is no such things as evidence or fact, just opinion”) have fused in a particularly insidious way.

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chuckle
LS, are they talking about you ??
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Re: WTF !! OMG !! OFFICIAL !! NYT : AMERICANS ARE HOSTILE TO KNOWLEDGE !! (except for GLPers)
anti-intellectualism (the attitude that “too much learning can be a dangerous thing”) and anti-rationalism (“the idea that there is no such things as evidence or fact, just opinion”) have fused in a particularly insidious way.

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Yup that looks familiar here on GLP and pretty much every other contact I have with people (just the US?) on the Internet.

 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 323477


We choose the old fashion woo-woo way !!
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linky for hostile to knowledge suspicious minds !!

[link to www.nytimes.com]
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this it what happens to a society when earning good money does not equate into having culture and intelligence. It is going to get far worse to. We live in a push button society where only a tiny percentage of the elites design the machines with the buttons.

The machine world is killing our TRUE progress and our TRUE growth and it is killing our humanity. the machine world must be destroyed and it will be destroyed. Nature will destroy it and then human beings will know what true power and true knowledge is all about.

Our society puts the cart before the horse. The horse is life the car it stuff and numbers. Stupid thing to do.
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anti-intellectualism (the attitude that “too much learning can be a dangerous thing”) and anti-rationalism (“the idea that there is no such things as evidence or fact, just opinion”) have fused in a particularly insidious way.

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chuckle
LS, are they talking about you ??
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you are slowly growing to be my favorite poster...
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