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VEGANS & VEGETARIANS - CAN YOU PLEASE SHARE YOUR STORY, LOGIC, IDEAS, FEELINGS, REASONS FOR NOT EATING FLESH?

 
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I just met someone of GLP that chose to
not eat animal flesh at the age of 2 years.
Fucking blew my mind.

As a vegan, vegetarian,
can you please share your story / history
on how you became vegan, vegetarian?

Also can you share your reasoning, logic, feelings
to continue your eating habits?

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My reason was chemicals.. terrible care of food animals and more... I felt better when I got those chemicals out of my body in fact.

after a tornado in our mid west.. don't remember the state... a roof was ripped off over a barn of momma pigs which where kept between rails for the entire nursing period of the piglets.. that is unacceptable and quite an eye opener for me at that time. how would YOU like to stand for several weeks and pee and shit in the same place... no exercise etc.
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I just met someone of GLP that chose to
not eat animal flesh at the age of 2 years.
Fucking blew my mind.

As a vegan, vegetarian,
can you please share your story / history
on how you became vegan, vegetarian?

Also can we share your reasoning, logic, feelings
to continue your eating habits?
 Quoting: RED.DOT


I eat a huge amount of animal protein and fat. Mostly as snacks and leftovers. Fish, beef, chicken, turkey, not much pork. Sausages without nitrites, lots of cheese, dressing, eggs.

I have lost about 30-lbs., feel good. Less inflammation, digestion good. Farts odorless most of the time. Use a lot of floss.

Used to be Vegan for years, but felt like a soi-boy wimp.
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I recently quit eating pork when I realised it is a chimeric animal crossed with humans.
Its one thing to be a carnivore its another to be a cannibal!
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I just met someone of GLP that chose to
not eat animal flesh at the age of 2 years.
Fucking blew my mind.

As a vegan, vegetarian,
can you please share your story / history
on how you became vegan, vegetarian?

Also can we share your reasoning, logic, feelings
to continue your eating habits?
 Quoting: RED.DOT


I eat a huge amount of animal protein and fat. Mostly as snacks and leftovers. Fish, beef, chicken, turkey, not much pork. Sausages without nitrites, lots of cheese, dressing, eggs.

I have lost about 30-lbs., feel good. Less inflammation, digestion good. Farts odorless most of the time. Use a lot of floss.

Used to be Vegan for years, but felt like a soi-boy wimp.
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EVEN AS AN ALMOST MILITANT VEGAN,
I FIND MYSELF VERY CURIOUS ABOUT THIS NEW CARNIVORE
EATING STYLE. JORDAN PETERSON AND HIS DAUGHTER SWEARS BY IT.

CAN YOU PLEASE SHARE HOW MUCH YOU EAT PER DAY?
FOR EXAMPLE, DO YOU GO BY
CALORIES?
WEIGHT?
OR JUST BY YOUR SATIATION LEVEL?

CAN YOU EXPLAIN WHAT YOU MEAN BY SOY BOY.
WHAT WAS THAT LIKE?
DID YOU LOSE SEX DRIVE?
"Joe Biden grandfathered a stripper's kid" (_._)Y(_._)
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I recently quit eating pork when I realised it is a chimeric animal crossed with humans.
Its one thing to be a carnivore its another to be a cannibal!
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can you elaborate or give link?
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I recently quit eating pork when I realised it is a chimeric animal crossed with humans.
Its one thing to be a carnivore its another to be a cannibal!
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CAN YOU ELABORATE MORE ON THIS?
"Joe Biden grandfathered a stripper's kid" (_._)Y(_._)
"Donald J Trump was fucking right" [link to www.bitchute.com (secure)]
"Don't eat anything that has a brain, and feels pain" [link to www.youtube.com (secure)]
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I just met someone of GLP that chose to
not eat animal flesh at the age of 2 years.
Fucking blew my mind.

As a vegan, vegetarian,
can you please share your story / history
on how you became vegan, vegetarian?

Also can we share your reasoning, logic, feelings
to continue your eating habits?
 Quoting: RED.DOT


I eat a huge amount of animal protein and fat. Mostly as snacks and leftovers. Fish, beef, chicken, turkey, not much pork. Sausages without nitrites, lots of cheese, dressing, eggs.

I have lost about 30-lbs., feel good. Less inflammation, digestion good. Farts odorless most of the time. Use a lot of floss.

Used to be Vegan for years, but felt like a soi-boy wimp.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 82338724


EVEN AS AN ALMOST MILITANT VEGAN,
I FIND MYSELF VERY CURIOUS ABOUT THIS NEW CARNIVORE
EATING STYLE. JORDAN PETERSON AND HIS DAUGHTER SWEARS BY IT.

CAN YOU PLEASE SHARE HOW MUCH YOU EAT PER DAY?
FOR EXAMPLE, DO YOU GO BY
CALORIES?
WEIGHT?
OR JUST BY YOUR SATIATION LEVEL?

CAN YOU EXPLAIN WHAT YOU MEAN BY SOY BOY.
WHAT WAS THAT LIKE?
DID YOU LOSE SEX DRIVE?
 Quoting: RED.DOT


what's there to be curious about? it's gross.
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My reason was chemicals.. terrible care of food animals and more... I felt better when I got those chemicals out of my body in fact.

after a tornado in our mid west.. don't remember the state... a roof was ripped off over a barn of momma pigs which where kept between rails for the entire nursing period of the piglets.. that is unacceptable and quite an eye opener for me at that time. how would YOU like to stand for several weeks and pee and shit in the same place... no exercise etc.
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MUCH RESPECT TO YOU.
WHAT AGE DID YOU CHANGE?
HOW LONG HAS IT BEEN?

WHEN YOU SAY YOU FELT BETTER,
IN WHAT WAYS?
"Joe Biden grandfathered a stripper's kid" (_._)Y(_._)
"Donald J Trump was fucking right" [link to www.bitchute.com (secure)]
"Don't eat anything that has a brain, and feels pain" [link to www.youtube.com (secure)]
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I just met someone of GLP that chose to
not eat animal flesh at the age of 2 years.
Fucking blew my mind.

As a vegan, vegetarian,
can you please share your story / history
on how you became vegan, vegetarian?

Also can we share your reasoning, logic, feelings
to continue your eating habits?
 Quoting: RED.DOT


I eat a huge amount of animal protein and fat. Mostly as snacks and leftovers. Fish, beef, chicken, turkey, not much pork. Sausages without nitrites, lots of cheese, dressing, eggs.

I have lost about 30-lbs., feel good. Less inflammation, digestion good. Farts odorless most of the time. Use a lot of floss.

Used to be Vegan for years, but felt like a soi-boy wimp.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 82338724


EVEN AS AN ALMOST MILITANT VEGAN,
I FIND MYSELF VERY CURIOUS ABOUT THIS NEW CARNIVORE
EATING STYLE. JORDAN PETERSON AND HIS DAUGHTER SWEARS BY IT.

CAN YOU PLEASE SHARE HOW MUCH YOU EAT PER DAY?
FOR EXAMPLE, DO YOU GO BY
CALORIES?
WEIGHT?
OR JUST BY YOUR SATIATION LEVEL?

CAN YOU EXPLAIN WHAT YOU MEAN BY SOY BOY.
WHAT WAS THAT LIKE?
DID YOU LOSE SEX DRIVE?
 Quoting: RED.DOT


what's there to be curious about? it's gross.
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IM HIGHLY CURIOUS ABOUT JORDAN PETERSON AND HIS DAUGHTER'S CLAIMS. JUST TRYING TO FIGURE OUT WHAT IS HAPPENING
IN A CARNIVORE'S BODY THAT IS MAKING THEM FEEL BETTER.
"Joe Biden grandfathered a stripper's kid" (_._)Y(_._)
"Donald J Trump was fucking right" [link to www.bitchute.com (secure)]
"Don't eat anything that has a brain, and feels pain" [link to www.youtube.com (secure)]
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"Donald J Trump was fucking right" [link to www.bitchute.com (secure)]
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I eat a huge amount of animal protein and fat. Mostly as snacks and leftovers. Fish, beef, chicken, turkey, not much pork. Sausages without nitrites, lots of cheese, dressing, eggs.

I have lost about 30-lbs., feel good. Less inflammation, digestion good. Farts odorless most of the time. Use a lot of floss.

Used to be Vegan for years, but felt like a soi-boy wimp.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 82338724


EVEN AS AN ALMOST MILITANT VEGAN,
I FIND MYSELF VERY CURIOUS ABOUT THIS NEW CARNIVORE
EATING STYLE. JORDAN PETERSON AND HIS DAUGHTER SWEARS BY IT.

CAN YOU PLEASE SHARE HOW MUCH YOU EAT PER DAY?
FOR EXAMPLE, DO YOU GO BY
CALORIES?
WEIGHT?
OR JUST BY YOUR SATIATION LEVEL?

CAN YOU EXPLAIN WHAT YOU MEAN BY SOY BOY.
WHAT WAS THAT LIKE?
DID YOU LOSE SEX DRIVE?
 Quoting: RED.DOT


what's there to be curious about? it's gross.
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IM HIGHLY CURIOUS ABOUT JORDAN PETERSON AND HIS DAUGHTER'S CLAIMS. JUST TRYING TO FIGURE OUT WHAT IS HAPPENING
IN A CARNIVORE'S BODY THAT IS MAKING THEM FEEL BETTER.
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check these videos out



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I eat a huge amount of animal protein and fat. Mostly as snacks and leftovers. Fish, beef, chicken, turkey, not much pork. Sausages without nitrites, lots of cheese, dressing, eggs.

I have lost about 30-lbs., feel good. Less inflammation, digestion good. Farts odorless most of the time. Use a lot of floss.

Used to be Vegan for years, but felt like a soi-boy wimp.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 82338724


EVEN AS AN ALMOST MILITANT VEGAN,
I FIND MYSELF VERY CURIOUS ABOUT THIS NEW CARNIVORE
EATING STYLE. JORDAN PETERSON AND HIS DAUGHTER SWEARS BY IT.

CAN YOU PLEASE SHARE HOW MUCH YOU EAT PER DAY?
FOR EXAMPLE, DO YOU GO BY
CALORIES?
WEIGHT?
OR JUST BY YOUR SATIATION LEVEL?

CAN YOU EXPLAIN WHAT YOU MEAN BY SOY BOY.
WHAT WAS THAT LIKE?
DID YOU LOSE SEX DRIVE?
 Quoting: RED.DOT


what's there to be curious about? it's gross.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 78086396


IM HIGHLY CURIOUS ABOUT JORDAN PETERSON AND HIS DAUGHTER'S CLAIMS. JUST TRYING TO FIGURE OUT WHAT IS HAPPENING
IN A CARNIVORE'S BODY THAT IS MAKING THEM FEEL BETTER.
 Quoting: RED.DOT


oh, you're curious about Jordan Peterson. and his daughter. I guess I can't relate to that.
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vegans are legit crazy, why are our teeth made to cut threw flesh?.... or what about the fact that we need the vitamins that come from meat that cant be reproduced or replicated in a lab?

as a personal trainer, 180lbs 8%bf iv been at 300lbs (of fat) multiple success clients...

i have nothing against vegans, im just againt a false narrative
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vegans are legit crazy, why are our teeth made to cut threw flesh?.... or what about the fact that we need the vitamins that come from meat that cant be reproduced or replicated in a lab?

as a personal trainer, 180lbs 8%bf iv been at 300lbs (of fat) multiple success clients...

i have nothing against vegans, im just againt a false narrative
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 79505581


(1) HAVE YOU TRIED CUTTING THROUGH LEATHER WITH HUMAN TEETH?
(2) DO YOU THINK CAN YOU RIP UP A LIVE ANIMAL WITH YOUR TEETH?
(3) WHAT VITAMINS ARE YOU REFERING TO?
(4) WHAT DO YOU MEAN 8%BF IV? (OH BODY FAT)
(4.5) WHAT DO YOU EAT? KETO? CARNIVORE?
(5) HAVE YOU SEEN PHOTOS OF VEGAN BODY BUILDERS?
(6) WHAT ARE SOME OF THE FALSE NARRATIVES?

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"Donald J Trump was fucking right" [link to www.bitchute.com (secure)]
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Pigs as chimeric animals.

No links .

Gunter the crazy South African pig farmer clued me into this he used to post here.
Pig parts are used for human transplants since anti rejection drugs are not fully needed.
Humans are not the rulers of this realm,once you can accept that it opens up your mind to different concepts.
Humans are bred for loosh production. Our DNA has been modified.
The elites have chimeric pets .
I feel that pigs are human chimeric ,no proof just a strong sense .
Strong enough to make me go off pork one day.been 4 weeks now am still resolute.
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been vegan for over 10 years now. i started after 2 years of daily buddhist meditation (zazen). i'm almost 11 years a bodhisattva now.

one day i realized that the "i" that looks out of my skull and perceives the world is no different than any other sentient being. we all want shelter, warmth, food, water, love, etc.

then i started to research if i could live without eating meat and sure enough there was a thing called veganism. i did a lot of research and found out that not only does it save animals but it is the healthiest way to live.

veganism has come a long way in 10 years. it was only mildly difficult when i got started, but now it's a breeze. i haven't eaten so many whole food, plant based meals in my life and i'm glad i started when i did.

i'm not militant and i don't encourage anyone to do anything they don't want to do. my life, my health and my physical appearance are the evidence.
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vegans are legit crazy, why are our teeth made to cut threw flesh?.... or what about the fact that we need the vitamins that come from meat that cant be reproduced or replicated in a lab?

as a personal trainer, 180lbs 8%bf iv been at 300lbs (of fat) multiple success clients...

i have nothing against vegans, im just againt a false narrative
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 79505581


(1) HAVE YOU TRIED CUTTING THROUGH LEATHER WITH HUMAN TEETH?
(2) DO YOU THINK CAN YOU RIP UP A LIVE ANIMAL WITH YOUR TEETH?
(3) WHAT VITAMINS ARE YOU REFERING TO?
(4) WHAT DO YOU MEAN 8%BF IV? (OH BODY FAT)
(4.5) WHAT DO YOU EAT? KETO? CARNIVORE?
(5) HAVE YOU SEEN PHOTOS OF VEGAN BODY BUILDERS?
(6) WHAT ARE SOME OF THE FALSE NARRATIVES?
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you do realize we have a brain and created tools and discovered fire right? Eating meat made us human

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vegans are legit crazy, why are our teeth made to cut threw flesh?.... or what about the fact that we need the vitamins that come from meat that cant be reproduced or replicated in a lab?

as a personal trainer, 180lbs 8%bf iv been at 300lbs (of fat) multiple success clients...

i have nothing against vegans, im just againt a false narrative
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 79505581


(1) HAVE YOU TRIED CUTTING THROUGH LEATHER WITH HUMAN TEETH?
(2) DO YOU THINK CAN YOU RIP UP A LIVE ANIMAL WITH YOUR TEETH?
(3) WHAT VITAMINS ARE YOU REFERING TO?
(4) WHAT DO YOU MEAN 8%BF IV? (OH BODY FAT)
(4.5) WHAT DO YOU EAT? KETO? CARNIVORE?
(5) HAVE YOU SEEN PHOTOS OF VEGAN BODY BUILDERS?
(6) WHAT ARE SOME OF THE FALSE NARRATIVES?
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you do realize we have a brain and created tools and discovered fire right? Eating meat made us human


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I just met someone of GLP that chose to
not eat animal flesh at the age of 2 years.
Fucking blew my mind.

As a vegan, vegetarian,
can you please share your story / history
on how you became vegan, vegetarian?

Also can you share your reasoning, logic, feelings
to continue your eating habits?
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idk if this matters but i have a green/brown dragon humanoid soul or spirit, what i look like to the spirits on the otherside, my spirits took a picture of me there with my camera phone and left the image in my taken pics folder, many years ago. other things back this up to.

i hear stories about ppl with reptillian etc souls/spirits that are incarnated here as humans - that they also choose early on not to eat meat.

it goes against everything that gets pushed here on reptillians ~(aliens)~ whoom are said to be bloodthirsty human eaters and blood drinkers. idk if they are, tho as ive seen so much id say its very possible... but im like an odd one out then, dragon.

trying to find a pic unsuccesful so far
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I have been vegetarian for the last 40 years. What was the turning point? Living in Asia for two years and hearing the pigs screaming every morning before and as they were slaughtered. Other reasons also: the huge amounts of food / water needed to raise animals. The fact that pigs contain hog and human DNA. The suspicion that human meat has entered the food chain, and is in animal fodder. The very long digestion process (and the antibiotics and I don't know what other "medicines" animals may have been fed) which burdens the body. I don't drink milk either. Milk is for babies.

by the way. I am extremely healthy and have not been ill for years.

Thank you for the thread, RED DOT.


I just met someone of GLP that chose to
not eat animal flesh at the age of 2 years.
Fucking blew my mind.

As a vegan, vegetarian,
can you please share your story / history
on how you became vegan, vegetarian?

Also can you share your reasoning, logic, feelings
to continue your eating habits?
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