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TerraFirma's Esoterrorist
User ID: 82535640 United States 03/26/2022 07:02 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I read the thread. I also see that everywhere I look. Obviously we are headed down a tough road. Most of them say they don’t know how far it could go simply because of the way our monetary system is. The way our dollar is used in the oil scheme. All the reading I do doesn’t get me to a definite point though. I know Blackrock is buying up tons of homes so obviously they are hoping to hedge against it in that way, but on the other hand you see guys like Glenn Beck saying home prices could drop below 25%… so that leads me to believe if real estate is going to drop out that much and companies are using that to hedge against inflation then exactly how far are they actually thinking this may go? My thoughts. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 82219289 As of today, Existing housing holds its value to inflation and the price to rebuild a house. New home sales may suffer, any foreclosure type action will quickly be bought up by the type guys you mentioned. The overall answer to what's going on,, Central banks want to own everything, and they will. They are going to print print print $$. Buy everything while they can for reset. In the near term bonds crash, stocks and commodity soar. Hold stocks till 10 year soars,, just my opinions. After 10yr soars, and markets begin full plummet, starting with tech, as oil and other commodities redline into mass demand destruction, with the whole economy entering full-blown deep recession or greater depression, I will be rotated 90/10 into PM's/cash awaiting the biggest BTFD moment in modern history...assuming WWIII doesn't go scorched earth nuclear, ending all markets except the black one. And how will we know when the everything bubble bottom has been finally reached and it's safe to YOLO back into stocks? The price of one ounce of gold will equal...and then exceed the price of the total DOW index! ...as it did in the last everything bubble crash of 1929. Last Edited by TerraFirma's Esoterrorist on 03/26/2022 07:12 PM "Keep a weather eye to the chart on high and go home another way" –James Taylor Never Die Young |
Cure Vaids
User ID: 79506876 Sweden 03/26/2022 07:12 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | This is still America. Our economy is still dynamic. Backorders are at an all-time high and there is a huge amount of pent up desire to buy, travel, etc. This is not your typical recession scenario. We may be the best house in a bad neighborhood, but we are still the best house. People still want to come here. They aren't moving to China, and if China were to remove its controls on its currency, the surge of Chinese wanting to get their money out of China and into the US would be epic. China's problem is their lack of a strong middle class and the fact that they are an aging society due to the one child program. Things will be tough, but we will survive, although our standard of living will decline somewhat. Quoting: gamecock Bidens not done yet. ADHD medication will help for VAIDS and Covid. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 82219289 United States 03/26/2022 07:16 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | This is still America. Our economy is still dynamic. Backorders are at an all-time high and there is a huge amount of pent up desire to buy, travel, etc. This is not your typical recession scenario. We may be the best house in a bad neighborhood, but we are still the best house. People still want to come here. They aren't moving to China, and if China were to remove its controls on its currency, the surge of Chinese wanting to get their money out of China and into the US would be epic. China's problem is their lack of a strong middle class and the fact that they are an aging society due to the one child program. Things will be tough, but we will survive, although our standard of living will decline somewhat. Quoting: gamecock Bidens not done yet. Hahahaha… O’my |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 80144523 United States 03/26/2022 07:19 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Bring it all down! Effective value of $1,000,000 today will be actual value of $10,000 when it happens. China/Russia/Saudi Arabia and possibly India, will emerge as the new economic leaders, while US/EU slides into 3rd world status. That's what happens when you don't produce anything and don't manufacture anything, you eventually get dropped and passed by. China/Russia/Saudi Arabia/India/etc. aren't hampered by all the wealth stealing "go green, save the planet" bullshit, which is one reason they will assume the world's leading roles economically. well when joe biden take russias oil an wheat we will then have something right an we do make stuff we are number 1 boogie board producer |
dabrute
User ID: 79302659 United States 03/26/2022 07:20 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I started this thread from work, not logged on. This is not just a US problem but a world problem. China may be the canary in the coal mine. A couple of months back when Fed rate hikes were becoming a close certainty I read that China was saying they didn’t want the US to raise rates. I found it odd they would take this position, but there economy is in bad shape. Real estate makes up about 30% of the Chinese GDP as compared to 18% in the US. We all know the problems the developers are having and it is unsure how much it is costing the central government as they try to shore it up behind the scenes, or what impact it is having on other sectors. A few weeks ago I read an article about the Chinese guy that couldn’t pay his short that halted the nickel markets. Turns out he is an owner of a huge steel company in China and speculation was his bet was in hopes to shore up his steel company but either way he didn’t have the funds to cover the short. The jist was that the Chinese steel industry is going bust due to debt and the failing development industry. The article went on to discuss the “ghost cites” we have all heard about over the years. Basically they are just a ponzi type scheme to keep Chinese gdp growing and not imploding. Basically the units are built, and probably aren’t even inhabitable but are sold off to investors. These units may be resold many times without anyone ever living there. Also, like the sub prime mortgages, they are split up into pieces and sold off as bonds to investors all over the world. They said Canadian banks have some crazy amount of exposure (can’t remember the amount) as do many others. China’s debt bubble may have already popped but the central government is doing its best to hide it, which it can do for now but for how much longer is unknown. Their fake numbers, which we all have suspected for years, didn’t prevent increased investment into debt instruments which help to fund the Ponzi scheme. Once it really blows wide open the whole worlds credit system will sieze up making the Lehman thing look like nothing. What should have happened in 2008 will happen but 10 times worse Good luck! The breath of Putin ass lickers smells just as bad as the breath of Biden ass lickers |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 82219289 United States 03/26/2022 07:26 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I read the thread. I also see that everywhere I look. Obviously we are headed down a tough road. Most of them say they don’t know how far it could go simply because of the way our monetary system is. The way our dollar is used in the oil scheme. All the reading I do doesn’t get me to a definite point though. I know Blackrock is buying up tons of homes so obviously they are hoping to hedge against it in that way, but on the other hand you see guys like Glenn Beck saying home prices could drop below 25%… so that leads me to believe if real estate is going to drop out that much and companies are using that to hedge against inflation then exactly how far are they actually thinking this may go? My thoughts. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 82219289 As of today, Existing housing holds its value to inflation and the price to rebuild a house. New home sales may suffer, any foreclosure type action will quickly be bought up by the type guys you mentioned. The overall answer to what's going on,, Central banks want to own everything, and they will. They are going to print print print $$. Buy everything while they can for reset. In the near term bonds crash, stocks and commodity soar. Hold stocks till 10 year soars,, just my opinions. After 10yr soars, and markets begin full plummet, starting with tech, as oil and other commodities redline into mass demand destruction, with the whole economy entering full-blown deep recession or greater depression, I will be rotated 90/10 into PM's/cash awaiting the biggest BTFD moment in modern history...assuming WWIII doesn't go scorched earth nuclear, ending all markets except the black one. And how will we know when the everything bubble bottom has been finally reached and it's safe to YOLO back into stocks? The price of one ounce of gold will equal...and then exceed the price of the total DOW index! ...as it did in the last everything bubble crash of 1929. There will be a transition and I hope you hit it big, I’m just going to be farming my land shooting deer and enjoying watching my kids grow like I have for the lsat couple years. In 1929 men were traveling the nation looking for work. Sad times for kids growing up no doubt, I hope we don’t see that and that people read up real quick on the possibilities. |
dabrute
User ID: 79302659 United States 03/26/2022 07:37 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I read the thread. I also see that everywhere I look. Obviously we are headed down a tough road. Most of them say they don’t know how far it could go simply because of the way our monetary system is. The way our dollar is used in the oil scheme. All the reading I do doesn’t get me to a definite point though. I know Blackrock is buying up tons of homes so obviously they are hoping to hedge against it in that way, but on the other hand you see guys like Glenn Beck saying home prices could drop below 25%… so that leads me to believe if real estate is going to drop out that much and companies are using that to hedge against inflation then exactly how far are they actually thinking this may go? My thoughts. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 82219289 As of today, Existing housing holds its value to inflation and the price to rebuild a house. New home sales may suffer, any foreclosure type action will quickly be bought up by the type guys you mentioned. The overall answer to what's going on,, Central banks want to own everything, and they will. They are going to print print print $$. Buy everything while they can for reset. In the near term bonds crash, stocks and commodity soar. Hold stocks till 10 year soars,, just my opinions. After 10yr soars, and markets begin full plummet, starting with tech, as oil and other commodities redline into mass demand destruction, with the whole economy entering full-blown deep recession or greater depression, I will be rotated 90/10 into PM's/cash awaiting the biggest BTFD moment in modern history...assuming WWIII doesn't go scorched earth nuclear, ending all markets except the black one. And how will we know when the everything bubble bottom has been finally reached and it's safe to YOLO back into stocks? The price of one ounce of gold will equal...and then exceed the price of the total DOW index! ...as it did in the last everything bubble crash of 1929. This seems like the smart play but we can’t be sure how governments will respond. The biggest risk for PM will be confiscation. It wouldn’t be the first time. The next best thing would be a safe currency but not sure that even exists but people have always flocked to the dollar. Market (stock, pm, bond) and currency manipulations are so far outside anything ever seen in the history of man we can’t rely on historical comparisons, like the Great Depression. Maybe the motto of the great reset, you’ll own nothing and be happy” is only the fist half with the second being “ to be still alive”. The breath of Putin ass lickers smells just as bad as the breath of Biden ass lickers |
dabrute
User ID: 79302659 United States 03/26/2022 07:44 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I read the thread. I also see that everywhere I look. Obviously we are headed down a tough road. Most of them say they don’t know how far it could go simply because of the way our monetary system is. The way our dollar is used in the oil scheme. All the reading I do doesn’t get me to a definite point though. I know Blackrock is buying up tons of homes so obviously they are hoping to hedge against it in that way, but on the other hand you see guys like Glenn Beck saying home prices could drop below 25%… so that leads me to believe if real estate is going to drop out that much and companies are using that to hedge against inflation then exactly how far are they actually thinking this may go? My thoughts. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 82219289 As of today, Existing housing holds its value to inflation and the price to rebuild a house. New home sales may suffer, any foreclosure type action will quickly be bought up by the type guys you mentioned. The overall answer to what's going on,, Central banks want to own everything, and they will. They are going to print print print $$. Buy everything while they can for reset. In the near term bonds crash, stocks and commodity soar. Hold stocks till 10 year soars,, just my opinions. After 10yr soars, and markets begin full plummet, starting with tech, as oil and other commodities redline into mass demand destruction, with the whole economy entering full-blown deep recession or greater depression, I will be rotated 90/10 into PM's/cash awaiting the biggest BTFD moment in modern history...assuming WWIII doesn't go scorched earth nuclear, ending all markets except the black one. And how will we know when the everything bubble bottom has been finally reached and it's safe to YOLO back into stocks? The price of one ounce of gold will equal...and then exceed the price of the total DOW index! ...as it did in the last everything bubble crash of 1929. There will be a transition and I hope you hit it big, I’m just going to be farming my land shooting deer and enjoying watching my kids grow like I have for the lsat couple years. In 1929 men were traveling the nation looking for work. Sad times for kids growing up no doubt, I hope we don’t see that and that people read up real quick on the possibilities. I wish you the best! If you look at the Great Depression and go back and read everyday newspaper articles and not just the overall history you will see how bad it was and the societal decay. Now, if you look at today’s society, the crime, lack of work ethic, moral decay, generations on handouts, racial tensions and so on, at a time when things are relatively good and then throw that into serious economic collapse one can imagine how bad it will get. The breath of Putin ass lickers smells just as bad as the breath of Biden ass lickers |
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T2256
User ID: 80987710 United States 03/26/2022 08:11 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Hmm, so your just waiting for the neighbor to die from the vax jab before you break in and steal the guns, ammo and survival grub. Of course if the roles are reversed... you'll booby~trap your pile of gold bars... such needless retort. Might be better to work together on the coming madness instead; two brains are twice as effective; twice the skill set; twice the firepower. T2256 Let freedom ring in your heart! Open all the doors! Stay tuned for more episodes of the TEOSIRNADU! I will teach the world incredible secrets. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 82219289 United States 03/26/2022 08:13 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Dabrute, I’m with you, no way is there any other country that could have what we provide as a world currency. No matter how upset a country gets it has made the world very rich. In ancient times there were things like the Silk Road that made countries very wealthy. America has created with the help of the world an international Silk Road. We are very fortunate to live here and be the beneficiary of that. It has spread to the farthest reaches of the globe. As long as a country is not self sustaining and does not want to be part of that wealth it will hold itself together like a weave. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 79559651 United States 03/26/2022 08:15 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | It's all counterparty-risk-based speculation Quoting: Anonymous Coward 82604439 Real value is in hard assets and skilled labor PMs are money Can't change reality this. gold has no ceiling because the floor for the dollar is ZERO. gonna get bumpy when the premiums start flying higher and higher and gold kicks into the "100 dollar days" and then possibly the 500 and 1000 dollar days. |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 78701318 03/26/2022 08:36 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | That's what happens when you don't produce anything and don't manufacture anything, you eventually get dropped and passed by. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 80142342 China/Russia/Saudi Arabia/India/etc. aren't hampered by all the wealth stealing "go green, save the planet" bullshit, which is one reason they will assume the world's leading roles economically. We knew this nearly 30 years ago when Bill Clinton pushed MFN status for China. (Most Favored Nation) Nobody has done anything about this for 30 years .. think about that! The huge sucking sound that Ross Perot warned us about has nearly drained whatever was left of our industrial/manufacturing base. All we do is write software. We don't make anything ... Learn to code! Wipe your ass on that coding shit. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 82219289 United States 03/26/2022 08:56 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I started this thread from work, not logged on. Quoting: dabrute This is not just a US problem but a world problem. China may be the canary in the coal mine. A couple of months back when Fed rate hikes were becoming a close certainty I read that China was saying they didn’t want the US to raise rates. I found it odd they would take this position, but there economy is in bad shape. Real estate makes up about 30% of the Chinese GDP as compared to 18% in the US. We all know the problems the developers are having and it is unsure how much it is costing the central government as they try to shore it up behind the scenes, or what impact it is having on other sectors. A few weeks ago I read an article about the Chinese guy that couldn’t pay his short that halted the nickel markets. Turns out he is an owner of a huge steel company in China and speculation was his bet was in hopes to shore up his steel company but either way he didn’t have the funds to cover the short. The jist was that the Chinese steel industry is going bust due to debt and the failing development industry. The article went on to discuss the “ghost cites” we have all heard about over the years. Basically they are just a ponzi type scheme to keep Chinese gdp growing and not imploding. Basically the units are built, and probably aren’t even inhabitable but are sold off to investors. These units may be resold many times without anyone ever living there. Also, like the sub prime mortgages, they are split up into pieces and sold off as bonds to investors all over the world. They said Canadian banks have some crazy amount of exposure (can’t remember the amount) as do many others. China’s debt bubble may have already popped but the central government is doing its best to hide it, which it can do for now but for how much longer is unknown. Their fake numbers, which we all have suspected for years, didn’t prevent increased investment into debt instruments which help to fund the Ponzi scheme. Once it really blows wide open the whole worlds credit system will sieze up making the Lehman thing look like nothing. What should have happened in 2008 will happen but 10 times worse Good luck! So in a way you can cheat the system of the stock market by artificially inflating your equity but if you get called out one time you are screwed. It’s very interesting to me and at sometimes overwhelming how complex that the world economy is. There are many facets. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 79559651 United States 03/26/2022 09:47 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | they are taking the destructive welfare model they used to dismantle the indians and blacks and aiming it at everyone now, and in every spectrum as well. it'd be better if people saw whips and chains they might have some idea of how dire the situation actually is. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 82462483 United States 03/26/2022 09:50 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I was thinking the same thing about used cars. Till the door slammed in my face. It never occurred to me they would just stop making new ones. Their excuse? Sand shortage. My excuse? Stupidly didn't prep for a sand shortage. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 82590317 United States 03/26/2022 09:52 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | The global bond market is in the grip of its worst freefall since the 2008 financial crisis as central banks struggle to bring rampant inflation under control. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 75615507 Government and corporate debt has fallen 11% since reaching a high in early 2021 — translating into $2.6 trillion worth of losses, according to Bloomberg. [link to nypost.com (secure)] its gonna free fall soon - unlike last time inflation wasnt an issue so the fed printed its way forward - no more bullets left in the gun now I wonder how the people in USSA will feel when their 401ks go to ZERO. They'll still worship Biden as the greatest President and get their 4th booster shot. You cant fix stupid you just gotta give them 18 months to clot from the Aids Vaxx shot. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 82590317 United States 03/26/2022 09:54 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I was thinking the same thing about used cars. Till the door slammed in my face. It never occurred to me they would just stop making new ones. Their excuse? Sand shortage. My excuse? Stupidly didn't prep for a sand shortage. Biggest shortage coming soon will be Caskets. Caskets will be in high demand as people die from the Aids Vaccine aka clot shot. I think food and water will Trump everything soon. Without water you dead, same with food. I think we are being de-evolutioned aka walking backwards here to never go forward again. Pray I'm wrong but this is what I see, in plain english, we are screwed. |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 82590317 United States 03/26/2022 09:59 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | This is still America. Our economy is still dynamic. Backorders are at an all-time high and there is a huge amount of pent up desire to buy, travel, etc. This is not your typical recession scenario. We may be the best house in a bad neighborhood, but we are still the best house. People still want to come here. They aren't moving to China, and if China were to remove its controls on its currency, the surge of Chinese wanting to get their money out of China and into the US would be epic. China's problem is their lack of a strong middle class and the fact that they are an aging society due to the one child program. Things will be tough, but we will survive, although our standard of living will decline somewhat. Quoting: gamecock Bidens not done yet. Oh my heavens, everywhere I go there is a shortage in USSA. You live in la la land sorry. America is being destroyed from within with Obama's 3rd term. What do you think Build Back Better means? It means Obama is going to burn it all down and build back better after its been burnt down. Reason for the big push to vaxx us all to die in 18 months. You've seen nothing yet, America is on life support, all it takes it Russia to pull the plug, and we are dead. They'll pin USA against Russia soon and guess who will win? China - that is what you do with two super powers you let them both kill each other off and then enjoy the spoils of war when China has a 200 million man army. Well get your popcorn ready cause America is Mystery Babylon in one hour it'll be destroyed. |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 81025581 United States 03/26/2022 10:01 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I read the thread. I also see that everywhere I look. Obviously we are headed down a tough road. Most of them say they don’t know how far it could go simply because of the way our monetary system is. The way our dollar is used in the oil scheme. All the reading I do doesn’t get me to a definite point though. I know Blackrock is buying up tons of homes so obviously they are hoping to hedge against it in that way, but on the other hand you see guys like Glenn Beck saying home prices could drop below 25%… so that leads me to believe if real estate is going to drop out that much and companies are using that to hedge against inflation then exactly how far are they actually thinking this may go? My thoughts. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 82219289 As of today, Existing housing holds its value to inflation and the price to rebuild a house. New home sales may suffer, any foreclosure type action will quickly be bought up by the type guys you mentioned. The overall answer to what's going on,, Central banks want to own everything, and they will. They are going to print print print $$. Buy everything while they can for reset. In the near term bonds crash, stocks and commodity soar. Hold stocks till 10 year soars,, just my opinions. |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 81025581 United States 03/26/2022 10:04 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I was thinking the same thing about used cars. Till the door slammed in my face. It never occurred to me they would just stop making new ones. Their excuse? Sand shortage. My excuse? Stupidly didn't prep for a sand shortage. Biggest shortage coming soon will be Caskets. Caskets will be in high demand as people die from the Aids Vaccine aka clot shot. I think food and water will Trump everything soon. Without water you dead, same with food. I think we are being de-evolutioned aka walking backwards here to never go forward again. Pray I'm wrong but this is what I see, in plain english, we are screwed. |
dabrute
User ID: 79302659 United States 03/26/2022 10:07 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Dabrute, Quoting: Anonymous Coward 82219289 I’m with you, no way is there any other country that could have what we provide as a world currency. No matter how upset a country gets it has made the world very rich. In ancient times there were things like the Silk Road that made countries very wealthy. America has created with the help of the world an international Silk Road. We are very fortunate to live here and be the beneficiary of that. It has spread to the farthest reaches of the globe. As long as a country is not self sustaining and does not want to be part of that wealth it will hold itself together like a weave. I would tend to agree but greed and corruption have left us in a pretty bad position, even those of us who agree on this point do not agree on what it will take to fix it. GLP has a great cross section of people who see and discuss our problems but solutions presented here are full spectrum and shows how difficult it will be to bring us together. I also feel blessed to have been born in the US. I have had a very good life so far and wouldn’t trade it for any chance somewhere else. Yet now I look at my young grandchildren and should see hope and my own success but sometimes i am just afraid of our failure. It is hard to fight what is wrong when you are happy and content. Even if we weren’t blind to where and how we were being led we might as well have been. The breath of Putin ass lickers smells just as bad as the breath of Biden ass lickers |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 81025581 United States 03/26/2022 10:09 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | The global bond market is in the grip of its worst freefall since the 2008 financial crisis as central banks struggle to bring rampant inflation under control. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 75615507 Government and corporate debt has fallen 11% since reaching a high in early 2021 — translating into $2.6 trillion worth of losses, according to Bloomberg. [link to nypost.com (secure)] its gonna free fall soon - unlike last time inflation wasnt an issue so the fed printed its way forward - no more bullets left in the gun now I wonder how the people in USSA will feel when their 401ks go to ZERO. They'll still worship Biden as the greatest President and get their 4th booster shot. You cant fix stupid you just gotta give them 18 months to clot from the Aids Vaxx shot. Since I got the vaxxs, three Moderna in all, my dick is longer and teeth whiter. Operation Warp Speed was President Trump’s miracle. He made my dick great again, |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 78116683 United States 03/26/2022 10:11 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | It all has to happen on Biden's watch. You know, the President of the defunt corporation. Oct will end with the start of TRUTH and justice (ding dong, the witch goes down on Halloween eve), arrests and revelations running tru until election day. Then the red wave TSUNAMI will occur, and we finally TAKE our country BACK! |