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| Anonymous Coward User ID: 66232045  United States04/09/2022 10:57 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I don't want to get into an argument with anyone here, but I come from an Irish Catholic family and for most of my adult years attended a traditional Latin Rite Mass and said the rosary daily in Latin. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 79178944 It is a very powerful form of prayer, and I have had numerous incidents that were highly unusual - seeing strange lights in the sky, dead nuns I used to know walking alongside me and talking to me, strange voices at the altar during Communion or when praying alone - that I have to say that there is something to it. Some of the incidents that happened occurred when I was attending Latin Mass daily for about a year. It actually kind of freaked me out a bit because it was almost like I felt that I was tapping into spiritual or perhaps paranormal forces or entities and I was operating in the blind. I had several really strange things happen to me at the time that I cannot explain - a flooded road, a boss that harassed me that was strangely being overpowered by random events. So, the Rosary is very, very powerful if you say it regularly with sincere intent, especially if said in Latin and when attending a daily traditional Latin Mass. The entire religion - traditional Catholicism before Vatican II - can evoke very powerful spirituality if practiced regularly. Just attending Mass daily can have an enormous positive effect. I also think listening to Catholic music - Gregorian chant in particular - is incredibly powerful when praying the Rosary. I also don't really question the point about idolatry. Catholics wholly believe in the Father, Son, and Holy Ghost. It is part of the belief system. Worshiping the Son isn't worshiping an idol, because Catholics believe the Father and Son are the same - i.e., the concent of the Trinity. And everything you describe has its roots in Paganism -and related sorcery- going all the way back to ancient Egypt where temple Priests chanted as they performed their own pre-Gregorian rituals. Stop and actually THINK about what you just wrote. Remember: witches perform masses too, because their religion has the same roots as all the rest! And just like your claim that classic Latin makes everything more official, Paganists say the same thing as they invoke ancient Druid incantations in Celtic. And not to put too fine a point on it, but their religion is much older than your own! So: who's right and who's wrong? I don't want to get into an argument with anyone here, but I come from an Irish Catholic family and for most of my adult years attended a traditional Latin Rite Mass and said the rosary daily in Latin. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 79178944 It is a very powerful form of prayer, and I have had numerous incidents that were highly unusual - seeing strange lights in the sky, dead nuns I used to know walking alongside me and talking to me, strange voices at the altar during Communion or when praying alone - that I have to say that there is something to it. Some of the incidents that happened occurred when I was attending Latin Mass daily for about a year. It actually kind of freaked me out a bit because it was almost like I felt that I was tapping into spiritual or perhaps paranormal forces or entities and I was operating in the blind. I had several really strange things happen to me at the time that I cannot explain - a flooded road, a boss that harassed me that was strangely being overpowered by random events. So, the Rosary is very, very powerful if you say it regularly with sincere intent, especially if said in Latin and when attending a daily traditional Latin Mass. The entire religion - traditional Catholicism before Vatican II - can evoke very powerful spirituality if practiced regularly. Just attending Mass daily can have an enormous positive effect. I also think listening to Catholic music - Gregorian chant in particular - is incredibly powerful when praying the Rosary. I also don't really question the point about idolatry. Catholics wholly believe in the Father, Son, and Holy Ghost. It is part of the belief system. Worshiping the Son isn't worshiping an idol, because Catholics believe the Father and Son are the same - i.e., the concent of the Trinity. And everything you describe has its roots in Paganism -and related sorcery- going all the way back to ancient Egypt where temple Priests chanted as they performed their own pre-Gregorian rituals. Stop and actually THINK about what you just wrote. Remember: witches perform masses too, because their religion has the same roots as all the rest! And just like your claim that classic Latin makes everything more official, Paganists say the same thing as they invoke ancient Druid incantations in Celtic. And not to put too fine a point on it, but their religion is much older than your own! So: who's right and who's wrong? I’ll bet that everyone is wrong. |
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| Anonymous Coward User ID: 79134956 United States04/09/2022 12:00 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I don't want to get into an argument with anyone here, but I come from an Irish Catholic family and for most of my adult years attended a traditional Latin Rite Mass and said the rosary daily in Latin. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 79178944 It is a very powerful form of prayer, and I have had numerous incidents that were highly unusual - seeing strange lights in the sky, dead nuns I used to know walking alongside me and talking to me, strange voices at the altar during Communion or when praying alone - that I have to say that there is something to it. Some of the incidents that happened occurred when I was attending Latin Mass daily for about a year. It actually kind of freaked me out a bit because it was almost like I felt that I was tapping into spiritual or perhaps paranormal forces or entities and I was operating in the blind. I had several really strange things happen to me at the time that I cannot explain - a flooded road, a boss that harassed me that was strangely being overpowered by random events. So, the Rosary is very, very powerful if you say it regularly with sincere intent, especially if said in Latin and when attending a daily traditional Latin Mass. The entire religion - traditional Catholicism before Vatican II - can evoke very powerful spirituality if practiced regularly. Just attending Mass daily can have an enormous positive effect. I also think listening to Catholic music - Gregorian chant in particular - is incredibly powerful when praying the Rosary. I also don't really question the point about idolatry. Catholics wholly believe in the Father, Son, and Holy Ghost. It is part of the belief system. Worshiping the Son isn't worshiping an idol, because Catholics believe the Father and Son are the same - i.e., the concent of the Trinity. And everything you describe has its roots in Paganism -and related sorcery- going all the way back to ancient Egypt where temple Priests chanted as they performed their own pre-Gregorian rituals. Stop and actually THINK about what you just wrote. Remember: witches perform masses too, because their religion has the same roots as all the rest! And just like your claim that classic Latin makes everything more official, Paganists say the same thing as they invoke ancient Druid incantations in Celtic. And not to put too fine a point on it, but their religion is much older than your own! So: who's right and who's wrong? The older I get the more I believe you're ALL pretty fucked-up. All I can say is that the attendance of daily Latin Mass and saying the Rosary had a positive, profound effect on me for the better. It was uplifting, positive, and helped me get through a very difficult time. It was the complete opposite of negative spirituality - such as sorcery, strange incantations, witches, etc. And it really cannot be described in words. What I am describing is experiential. You have to put yourself in the place of a very quiet, peaceful Church where all the parishioners are focused on prayer. That kind of experience is very calming, and very helpful from a spiritual and psychological perspective. Add the beauty of Gregorian chant, incense, the beauty of the Latin Mass - and it is remarkably beautiful - and you have just a small slice of heaven on Earth. I think what it does is it agitates the Devil when they see someone converting their life for the good. So it stirs up all kinds of attacks from negative entities. Padre Pio talks about this extensively. He used to say upwards of 30 rosaries a day and had frequent spiritual and supernatural encounters with satanic forces. That is what I am trying to describe. When you start committing yourself to regular spiritual endeavors every day, such as attending daily Mass, your world view changes. You start to be able to more easily recognize evil and negative forces. It is much easier to spot because your spiritual antenna is fine tuned. |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 79134956 United States04/09/2022 12:16 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I would, however, point you to the Old Testament as more direct roots and ties to traditional Catholicism. The traditional Catholic Mass is centered around sacrifice, no different that the sacrificial system in the Bible. Every part of the Church and its liturgy is a direct extension and has roots there. There is a direct line from the the older system to the Latin Mass. Catholicism involves taking the core spiritual principles of its predecessor religion - the Ten Commandments, the Golden Rule, etc. - and "universalizing" the tenets so that G-d's message can be spread throughout the world. Because of the Church and its missionaries, the core concepts spread all over the world now to some of the most remote parts of the planet. This wasn't by accident. This was a Divine plan. The liturgy, the Gregorian Chant, the layout of the churches, the baptismal and water fonts, communion, the concept of the Christian Sabbath - all these ideas are extensions from the Old Testament made New. |
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User ID: 8080014 United States04/09/2022 12:49 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I don't want to get into an argument with anyone here, but I come from an Irish Catholic family and for most of my adult years attended a traditional Latin Rite Mass and said the rosary daily in Latin. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 79178944 It is a very powerful form of prayer, and I have had numerous incidents that were highly unusual - seeing strange lights in the sky, dead nuns I used to know walking alongside me and talking to me, strange voices at the altar during Communion or when praying alone - that I have to say that there is something to it. Some of the incidents that happened occurred when I was attending Latin Mass daily for about a year. It actually kind of freaked me out a bit because it was almost like I felt that I was tapping into spiritual or perhaps paranormal forces or entities and I was operating in the blind. I had several really strange things happen to me at the time that I cannot explain - a flooded road, a boss that harassed me that was strangely being overpowered by random events. So, the Rosary is very, very powerful if you say it regularly with sincere intent, especially if said in Latin and when attending a daily traditional Latin Mass. The entire religion - traditional Catholicism before Vatican II - can evoke very powerful spirituality if practiced regularly. Just attending Mass daily can have an enormous positive effect. I also think listening to Catholic music - Gregorian chant in particular - is incredibly powerful when praying the Rosary. I also don't really question the point about idolatry. Catholics wholly believe in the Father, Son, and Holy Ghost. It is part of the belief system. Worshiping the Son isn't worshiping an idol, because Catholics believe the Father and Son are the same - i.e., the concent of the Trinity. And everything you describe has its roots in Paganism -and related sorcery- going all the way back to ancient Egypt where temple Priests chanted as they performed their own pre-Gregorian rituals. Stop and actually THINK about what you just wrote. Remember: witches perform masses too, because their religion has the same roots as all the rest! And just like your claim that classic Latin makes everything more official, Paganists say the same thing as they invoke ancient Druid incantations in Celtic. And not to put too fine a point on it, but their religion is much older than your own! So: who's right and who's wrong? The older I get the more I believe you're ALL pretty fucked-up. All I can say is that the attendance of daily Latin Mass and saying the Rosary had a positive, profound effect on me for the better. It was uplifting, positive, and helped me get through a very difficult time. It was the complete opposite of negative spirituality - such as sorcery, strange incantations, witches, etc. And it really cannot be described in words. What I am describing is experiential. You have to put yourself in the place of a very quiet, peaceful Church where all the parishioners are focused on prayer. That kind of experience is very calming, and very helpful from a spiritual and psychological perspective. Add the beauty of Gregorian chant, incense, the beauty of the Latin Mass - and it is remarkably beautiful - and you have just a small slice of heaven on Earth. I think what it does is it agitates the Devil when they see someone converting their life for the good. So it stirs up all kinds of attacks from negative entities. Padre Pio talks about this extensively. He used to say upwards of 30 rosaries a day and had frequent spiritual and supernatural encounters with satanic forces. That is what I am trying to describe. When you start committing yourself to regular spiritual endeavors every day, such as attending daily Mass, your world view changes. You start to be able to more easily recognize evil and negative forces. It is much easier to spot because your spiritual antenna is fine tuned. But how can you not see how your own beliefs have cancelled out those of others? In implying that only your beliefs render positive spirituality -by saying all others are negative- those church teachings have slammed and locked the door of your mind shut for any other possibilities. And if that's not a sin it certainly should be. Then you compound this by mentioning "strange incantations" while totally ignoring the sources of your own which -along with those Gregorian chants- I explained in my earlier posts; and yes, even that incense you enjoy sniffing has also been used since the days of the Pharaohs when high Priests literally WERE as they inhaled the fumes of hallucinogenic herbs. And no, you are wrong when you state that total immersion into ANY religion allows you to balance the good from the bad because once your mind is shut [as yours clearly is] you see only through heavy filters instead of with eyes unhindered by cataracts of faith. Finally, we come to Padre Pio. The devout claim that his sanctity and daily rosaries have rendered his corpse incorruptible and as proof it's prominently on display in San Giovanni Rotondo where the faithful flock to pray before his glass coffin believing that he will mystically intervene on their behalf ... as they totally ignore that fact that before putting his decaying body on display, the Vatican first covered his rotten face with a silicone mask -as they have done with numerous other "miraculous Saints"- to make it appear as if that crumbling flesh is somehow immortal. This is just another twisted example of how pervasive the Catholic church is in perpetuating its own mythology, all of which is deeply rooted in the occult. But here me clearly: I don't begrudge you your personal belief systems and in fact encourage them if they bring you comfort and solace. But do not expect me to accept something that I know for a fact to be based upon ancient superstitions and nothing more. Because in the final analysis, I have documented historical evidence on my side while all you have is faith. And should you pick up a dictionary and read the definition of that oft-used word, you'll discover it actually means "the belief in something that cannot be proven." And that applies to ALL religions. |
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User ID: 8080014 United States04/09/2022 12:58 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Also, I wouldn't really equate the roots of traditional Catholicism to paganism, though I have read the arguments stating same and I can understand how some might think that. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 79134956 I would, however, point you to the Old Testament as more direct roots and ties to traditional Catholicism. The traditional Catholic Mass is centered around sacrifice, no different that the sacrificial system in the Bible. Every part of the Church and its liturgy is a direct extension and has roots there. There is a direct line from the the older system to the Latin Mass. Catholicism involves taking the core spiritual principles of its predecessor religion - the Ten Commandments, the Golden Rule, etc. - and "universalizing" the tenets so that G-d's message can be spread throughout the world. Because of the Church and its missionaries, the core concepts spread all over the world now to some of the most remote parts of the planet. This wasn't by accident. This was a Divine plan. The liturgy, the Gregorian Chant, the layout of the churches, the baptismal and water fonts, communion, the concept of the Christian Sabbath - all these ideas are extensions from the Old Testament made New. This is a hollow argument since the Biblical precedents you cite were written BY the early Catholic church leaders, after they stole the basic concepts of ancient belief systems to suit their own doctrinal purposes; and those heavily-massaged antecedents were specifically incorporated into the early texts to serve as a connective thread to those that had come before in the mistaken belief they would act as proof positive of their authenticity. History is your friend. And an unexpurgated honest history even more so. FYI: earlier you mentioned the holy trinity while ignoring that it is actually a representation of the Polytheism that Christianity replaced. When the ancient Romans weren't too keen on totally abandoning the multiple Gods that had served them so well for over a millennia, the new religion had to find a bridge connecting the old with the new and THAT'S why the holy trinity was created: three Gods all rolled into one entity made the whole religion more palatable to them. And, the Bible itself uses the plural term "Gods" repeatedly as a means of reference to such a pagan precedence. Even the ten commandments do this when one states "thou shall have no other GODS before me" as it attempts to refute the belief systems that had been in place for several thousands of years before... while acknowledging the "fact" that they did indeed exist. Last Edited by GSB/LTD on 04/09/2022 01:12 PM |
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| Anonymous Coward User ID: 82774572 04/09/2022 02:57 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Is it idolatry? I've heard stories about the Rosary saving peoples lives, guiding them, etc. Does it have any value or true power behind it? Quoting: Anonymous Coward 80386874 The most argumentative people I’ve ever encountered have been Protestants. The root of their very name is “protest”! Why do you think they have 30,000 differing denominations? It’s because they argue about everything and split off again and again and again. They cannot even agree amongst themselves. So, pray your Rosary, do your Catholic thing, and leave questions like this out of the hands of protesting, argumentative Protestants. With the Protestants it is the Bible, period. They are a church of the book. With the Catholics, they are a church of the book AND tradition. That is the basic difference. The Protestants rejected the tradition. Protestants and Catholics agree on well over 90 percent of theology so why do we not concentrate on that (instead of fighting over less than 10 percent that we do not agree on.) That always puzzles me. What is the point. And you do not hear the Catholics trash the Protestants. They probably laugh at them but do not trash them. |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 72155974 United States04/09/2022 03:26 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | But how can you not see how your own beliefs have cancelled out those of others? In implying that only your beliefs render positive spirituality -by saying all others are negative- those church teachings have slammed and locked the door of your mind shut for any other possibilities. And if that's not a sin it certainly should be. Then you compound this by mentioning "strange incantations" while totally ignoring the sources of your own which -along with those Gregorian chants- I explained in my earlier posts; and yes, even that incense you enjoy sniffing has also been used since the days of the Pharaohs when high Priests literally WERE as they inhaled the fumes of hallucinogenic herbs. And no, you are wrong when you state that total immersion into ANY religion allows you to balance the good from the bad because once your mind is shut [as yours clearly is] you see only through heavy filters instead of with eyes unhindered by cataracts of faith. Finally, we come to Padre Pio. The devout claim that his sanctity and daily rosaries have rendered his corpse incorruptible and as proof it's prominently on display in San Giovanni Rotondo where the faithful flock to pray before his glass coffin believing that he will mystically intervene on their behalf ... as they totally ignore that fact that before putting his decaying body on display, the Vatican first covered his rotten face with a silicone mask -as they have done with numerous other "miraculous Saints"- to make it appear as if that crumbling flesh is somehow immortal. This is just another twisted example of how pervasive the Catholic church is in perpetuating its own mythology, all of which is deeply rooted in the occult. But here me clearly: I don't begrudge you your personal belief systems and in fact encourage them if they bring you comfort and solace. But do not expect me to accept something that I know for a fact to be based upon ancient superstitions and nothing more. Because in the final analysis, I have documented historical evidence on my side while all you have is faith. And should you pick up a dictionary and read the definition of that oft-used word, you'll discover it actually means "the belief in something that cannot be proven." And that applies to ALL religions. My personal beliefs are my own. I don't preach to others, and I am not a missionary. I don't ask anyone to accept my beliefs, and I don't hold any grudges against other people's religious belief systems. I hold in high regard all people of good will. |
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User ID: 41000260 United States04/09/2022 03:26 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | The Cult of Mary Quoting: Anonymous Coward 82764123 is not Biblical and directs praise, worship, adoration and prayer ALL AWAY FROM CHRIST. To Jesus through Mary Sorry. No where is scripture is that the case. You are grossly deceived Mary was still alive at the time of the Biblical manuscripts. Yet...can you say with absoute certainity - that Father God wouldn't permit such a thing? I can't. The Marian apparitions say to 'repent and pray'. That echos what Jesus said. I am a humble Servant of the one True Living God. |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 69540750  Canada04/09/2022 04:31 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Matthew 6:7 (Jesus speaking here) Quoting: Anonymous Coward 78701318 "But when ye pray, use not vain repetitions, as the heathen do: for they think that they shall be heard for their much speaking." Therefore, NO. It is certainly difficult to defend this type of prayer. One thing to also consider is that it is a prayer asking for Mary to pray. Prayer should be done privately to refrain from vanity, too. Again, accountability is important and in these times any act of dedication seems valuable. Rather than accusing, condemning, and criticizing, we should embrace faith from all religions. Our Father knows our desires and concerns before we speak them. He desires a personal relationship with each one of us. He also desires for us to love each other. In that, it is best to not focus on our differences. We must love each other and look to our commonalities in faith. Let accountability rest on the shoulders of teachers that knowingly lead us astray. Let innocence rest in the hearts of those that have good intentions and seek Him. Simply put, it is better to pray incorrectly than to never pray at all. As we deepen our knowledge of Him, we can find faults in all denominations. It is our choice to focus on those or to see the truth in each one. Some aspects of each denomination have driven me to anger, but they all share our Father in common. Love is the core of them. That should be our focus. Christianity has become a messy branch of ]vdaism. Individual relationships with our Father and the Holy Spirit are what matter. If these denominations develop those relationships in any way for any individuals, they are worth it even with broken, bent, missing, and misshapen truths.  “In Essentials Unity, In Non-essentials Liberty, in all Things Love” Having said that, there are practices in 'christian' religions ( I use the term 'religion' pejoratively) that the Scriptures clearly condemn. - Nowhere are we enjoined to ask for or pray to the dead. - Celibacy of the 'priesthood' is clearly condemned. - Salvation is by Grace through Faith ONLY, not of works. Many other points of serious contention exist between religious systems. Ecumenical thrust aside, believers in salvation by Grace through Faith will never submit to or condone 'religious' practices. The reason that the panoply of Christianity has become so messy is religion. Period. Blind faith in religious practices keeps our sword and senses dull and does no honor to the Holy Spirit, whose job it is to teach us. The caring and benevolent God does not require us to follow a long list of things we must do to receive God's love. Humans made up those lists and also the stories about wars in Heaven and fallen angels. God already loves each one of us equally and unconditionally, even if we don't pray or disbelieve. We don't need to grovel for God's love. The loving God will never want us to do that. When we choose to learn from our mistakes and grow up spiritually to greater wisdom and maturity, we naturally will have more love and compassion. With our energy more in alignment with God, we then are more able to perceive the immense love that God has always had for us much more clearly. It is why when we have anger, frusration, and hatred in our heart and mind, we are not energetically in alignment with God and so can't perceive God's love that is always beautifully surrounding each of us. The dark knows this and so they keep us in constant fear and turmoil to deny us of our spiritual evolution for easier manipulation and control. We are here for a very long adventure of learning to grow up, and when we begin to realize God has always been with us patiently guiding and nurturing us with love even when we had made very poor choices, we will be tremendously humbled with flowing tears of immense gratitude and joy. God's love is neither conditional nor requires us to believe or strictly follow man made doctrines. God's love is unconditional, meaning there are just as many angels surrounding an evil person as there are surrounding a good person. The depth and scale of God's love is incomprehensible to most because we are still under the influence of the ego. This is not a judgement call, but to make it easier to see that we all still have a lot of spiritual growth to do. And if doing the Rosary beads, praying, or joining a religion brings one comfort and be more peaceful, then please continue to do so with sincere good intention. |
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User ID: 80244646  China04/10/2022 08:42 AM  Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Matthew 6:7 (Jesus speaking here) Quoting: Anonymous Coward 78701318 "But when ye pray, use not vain repetitions, as the heathen do: for they think that they shall be heard for their much speaking." Therefore, NO. It is certainly difficult to defend this type of prayer. One thing to also consider is that it is a prayer asking for Mary to pray. Prayer should be done privately to refrain from vanity, too. Again, accountability is important and in these times any act of dedication seems valuable. Rather than accusing, condemning, and criticizing, we should embrace faith from all religions. Our Father knows our desires and concerns before we speak them. He desires a personal relationship with each one of us. He also desires for us to love each other. In that, it is best to not focus on our differences. We must love each other and look to our commonalities in faith. Let accountability rest on the shoulders of teachers that knowingly lead us astray. Let innocence rest in the hearts of those that have good intentions and seek Him. Simply put, it is better to pray incorrectly than to never pray at all. As we deepen our knowledge of Him, we can find faults in all denominations. It is our choice to focus on those or to see the truth in each one. Some aspects of each denomination have driven me to anger, but they all share our Father in common. Love is the core of them. That should be our focus. Christianity has become a messy branch of ]vdaism. Individual relationships with our Father and the Holy Spirit are what matter. If these denominations develop those relationships in any way for any individuals, they are worth it even with broken, bent, missing, and misshapen truths. “In Essentials Unity, In Non-essentials Liberty, in all Things Love” Having said that, there are practices in 'christian' religions ( I use the term 'religion' pejoratively) that the Scriptures clearly condemn. - Nowhere are we enjoined to ask for or pray to the dead. - Celibacy of the 'priesthood' is clearly condemned. - Salvation is by Grace through Faith ONLY, not of works. Many other points of serious contention exist between religious systems. Ecumenical thrust aside, believers in salvation by Grace through Faith will never submit to or condone 'religious' practices. The reason that the panoply of Christianity has become so messy is religion. Period. Blind faith in religious practices keeps our sword and senses dull and does no honor to the Holy Spirit, whose job it is to teach us. The caring and benevolent God does not require us to follow a long list of things we must do to receive God's love. Humans made up those lists and also the stories about wars in Heaven and fallen angels. God already loves each one of us equally and unconditionally, even if we don't pray or disbelieve. We don't need to grovel for God's love. The loving God will never want us to do that. When we choose to learn from our mistakes and grow up spiritually to greater wisdom and maturity, we naturally will have more love and compassion. With our energy more in alignment with God, we then are more able to perceive the immense love that God has always had for us much more clearly. It is why when we have anger, frusration, and hatred in our heart and mind, we are not energetically in alignment with God and so can't perceive God's love that is always beautifully surrounding each of us. The dark knows this and so they keep us in constant fear and turmoil to deny us of our spiritual evolution for easier manipulation and control. We are here for a very long adventure of learning to grow up, and when we begin to realize God has always been with us patiently guiding and nurturing us with love even when we had made very poor choices, we will be tremendously humbled with flowing tears of immense gratitude and joy. God's love is neither conditional nor requires us to believe or strictly follow man made doctrines. God's love is unconditional, meaning there are just as many angels surrounding an evil person as there are surrounding a good person. The depth and scale of God's love is incomprehensible to most because we are still under the influence of the ego. This is not a judgement call, but to make it easier to see that we all still have a lot of spiritual growth to do. And if doing the Rosary beads, praying, or joining a religion brings one comfort and be more peaceful, then please continue to do so with sincere good intention. No. Darkness posing as light, is still darkness. Marilotary is pagan goddess worship and witchcraft dressed as Christianity. And the rosary is in essence an occult device. And the RCC is not the only pagan religion to use it. I will quote some scripture John 12: 46. I am come a light into the world, that whosoever believeth on me should not abide in darkness. - Bible Offline Mary is not coredemtrix . There is only one great high priest and intercessor for all who believe in YAHshua. Mary was not born sinless .another wicked datanic lie and deception. And Mary does not sit in heaven on the Throne in heaven Isaiah 5: 20. Woe unto them that call evil good, and good evil; that put darkness for light, and light for darkness; that put bitter for sweet, and sweet for bitter! 21. Woe unto them that are wise in their own eyes, and prudent in their own sight! - Bible Offline All claims that its ok to use scripture as long you repent and acknowledge the pope or cooperate with RCC because it is a Christian organization are satanic lies. You can not mix the pure water of the Word of YHVH and the stinking morass of devilish pagan RCC doctrines , and be right with YAHshua/Joshua//Jesus. YAHshua the sound of His Name in English, YAH is short form of YHVH, Bible.PRAYERBOOK.Praisebook DOWNLOADs [link to www.docdroid.net (secure)] [link to pdfhost.io (secure)] [link to www.docdroid.net (secure)] |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 82778421 04/10/2022 01:59 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | ... Quoting: Glory To It is certainly difficult to defend this type of prayer. One thing to also consider is that it is a prayer asking for Mary to pray. Prayer should be done privately to refrain from vanity, too. Again, accountability is important and in these times any act of dedication seems valuable. Rather than accusing, condemning, and criticizing, we should embrace faith from all religions. Our Father knows our desires and concerns before we speak them. He desires a personal relationship with each one of us. He also desires for us to love each other. In that, it is best to not focus on our differences. We must love each other and look to our commonalities in faith. Let accountability rest on the shoulders of teachers that knowingly lead us astray. Let innocence rest in the hearts of those that have good intentions and seek Him. Simply put, it is better to pray incorrectly than to never pray at all. As we deepen our knowledge of Him, we can find faults in all denominations. It is our choice to focus on those or to see the truth in each one. Some aspects of each denomination have driven me to anger, but they all share our Father in common. Love is the core of them. That should be our focus. Christianity has become a messy branch of ]vdaism. Individual relationships with our Father and the Holy Spirit are what matter. If these denominations develop those relationships in any way for any individuals, they are worth it even with broken, bent, missing, and misshapen truths. “In Essentials Unity, In Non-essentials Liberty, in all Things Love” Having said that, there are practices in 'christian' religions ( I use the term 'religion' pejoratively) that the Scriptures clearly condemn. - Nowhere are we enjoined to ask for or pray to the dead. - Celibacy of the 'priesthood' is clearly condemned. - Salvation is by Grace through Faith ONLY, not of works. Many other points of serious contention exist between religious systems. Ecumenical thrust aside, believers in salvation by Grace through Faith will never submit to or condone 'religious' practices. The reason that the panoply of Christianity has become so messy is religion. Period. Blind faith in religious practices keeps our sword and senses dull and does no honor to the Holy Spirit, whose job it is to teach us. The caring and benevolent God does not require us to follow a long list of things we must do to receive God's love. Humans made up those lists and also the stories about wars in Heaven and fallen angels. God already loves each one of us equally and unconditionally, even if we don't pray or disbelieve. We don't need to grovel for God's love. The loving God will never want us to do that. When we choose to learn from our mistakes and grow up spiritually to greater wisdom and maturity, we naturally will have more love and compassion. With our energy more in alignment with God, we then are more able to perceive the immense love that God has always had for us much more clearly. It is why when we have anger, frusration, and hatred in our heart and mind, we are not energetically in alignment with God and so can't perceive God's love that is always beautifully surrounding each of us. The dark knows this and so they keep us in constant fear and turmoil to deny us of our spiritual evolution for easier manipulation and control. We are here for a very long adventure of learning to grow up, and when we begin to realize God has always been with us patiently guiding and nurturing us with love even when we had made very poor choices, we will be tremendously humbled with flowing tears of immense gratitude and joy. God's love is neither conditional nor requires us to believe or strictly follow man made doctrines. God's love is unconditional, meaning there are just as many angels surrounding an evil person as there are surrounding a good person. The depth and scale of God's love is incomprehensible to most because we are still under the influence of the ego. This is not a judgement call, but to make it easier to see that we all still have a lot of spiritual growth to do. And if doing the Rosary beads, praying, or joining a religion brings one comfort and be more peaceful, then please continue to do so with sincere good intention. No. Darkness posing as light, is still darkness. Marilotary is pagan goddess worship and witchcraft dressed as Christianity. And the rosary is in essence an occult device. And the RCC is not the only pagan religion to use it. I will quote some scripture John 12: 46. I am come a light into the world, that whosoever believeth on me should not abide in darkness. - Bible Offline Mary is not coredemtrix . There is only one great high priest and intercessor for all who believe in YAHshua. Mary was not born sinless .another wicked datanic lie and deception. And Mary does not sit in heaven on the Throne in heaven Isaiah 5: 20. Woe unto them that call evil good, and good evil; that put darkness for light, and light for darkness; that put bitter for sweet, and sweet for bitter! 21. Woe unto them that are wise in their own eyes, and prudent in their own sight! - Bible Offline All claims that its ok to use scripture as long you repent and acknowledge the pope or cooperate with RCC because it is a Christian organization are satanic lies. You can not mix the pure water of the Word of YHVH and the stinking morass of devilish pagan RCC doctrines , and be right with YAHshua/Joshua//Jesus. We do not listen to CCP. |
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User ID: 20380899 United States04/12/2022 08:19 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | To make the recitation of the Rosary easier for you, here is one Quoting: Anonymous Coward 82132374 method which will help you to say it in a good and holy way, with the meditation on the joyful, sorrowful and glorious mysteries of Jesus and Mary. Choose whichever method pleases you and helps you the most: or you can make up one for yourself, as several holy people have done. Methods of saying the Rosary To draw into our souls the graces of the Mysteries of the Life, Passion and Glory of Jesus and Mary. First Method 155. Say the "Come Holy Spirit" and then make this offering of the Rosary: I unite with all the saints in heaven and with all the just on earth; I unite with you, my Jesus, to praise your holy Mother worthily and to praise you in her and by her. I renounce all the distractions that may come to me while I am saying this Rosary. O Blessed Virgin Mary, we offer you this Creed to honour the faith you had upon earth and to ask you to permit us to share in that same faith. O Lord, we offer you this Our Father to adore you in your oneness and to acknowledge you as the first cause and the last end of all things. Most Holy Trinity, we offer you these three Hail Marys to thank you for all the graces which you have given to Mary and which you have given to us through her intercession. Creed, Our Father, three Hail Marys, Glory be to the Father. Offering of the Decades Joyful Mysteries 156. First decade. We offer you, Lord Jesus, this first decade in honour of your Incarnation. Through this mystery and the intercession of your holy Mother we ask for humility of heart. Our Father, ten Hail Marys, Glory be to the Father. May the grace of the mystery of the Incarnation come into me and make me truly humble. Second decade. We offer you, Lord Jesus, this second decade in honour of this mystery and the intercession of Mary we ask for a perfect love of our neighbour. Our Father, ten Hail Marys, Glory be to the Father. May the grace of the mystery of the Visitation come into me and make me truly charitable. Third decade. We offer you, Child Jesus, this third decade in honour of your holy Birth. Through this mystery and the intercession of your blessed Mother we ask for detachment from the things of this world, love of poverty and love of the poor. Our Father, ten Hail Marys, Glory be to the Father. May the grace of the Birth of Jesus come into me and make me truly poor in spirit. Fourth decade. We offer you, O Lord Jesus, this fourth decade in honour of your Presentation in the temple by the hands of Mary. Through this mystery and the intercession of your blessed Mother we ask for the gift of wisdom and purity of heart and body. Our Father, ten Hail Marys, Glory be to the Father. May the grace of the mystery of the Purification come into me and make me truly wise and pure. Fifth decade. We offer you, Lord Jesus, this fifth decade to honour Mary's Finding you in the temple among the learned men after she had lost you. Through this mystery and the intercession of your blessed Mother we ask you to convert us and all sinners, heretics, schismatics and pagans. Our Father, ten Hail Marys, Glory be to the Father. May the grace of the mystery of the Finding of Jesus in the temple come into me that I may be truly converted. Sorrowful Mysteries 157. Sixth decade. We offer you, Lord Jesus, this sixth decade in honour of your intense Agony in the garden of Olives. Through this mystery and the intercession of your holy Mother we ask for perfect sorrow for our sins and perfect conformity to your holy will. Our Father, ten Hail Marys, Glory be to the Father. contrite and perfectly obedient to the will of God. Seventh decade. We offer you, Lord Jesus, this seventh decade in honour of your cruel Scourging. Through this mystery and the intercession of your holy Mother we ask for the grace to mortify our senses. Our Father, ten Hail Marys, Glory be to the Father. May the grace of the Scourging of Jesus come into me and make me truly mortified. Eighth decade. We offer you, Lord Jesus, this eighth decade in honour of being Crowned with Thorns. Through this mystery and the intercession of your holy Mother we ask for a deep contempt of the world. Our Father, ten Hail Marys, Glory be to the Father. May the grace of the mystery of our Lord's Crowning with Thorns come into me and make me truly opposed to the world. Ninth decade. We offer you, Lord Jesus, this ninth decade in honour of your Carrying the Cross. Through this mystery and the intercession of your holy Mother we ask for great patience in carrying our cross after you all the days of our life. Our Father, ten Hail Marys, Glory be to the Father. May the grace of the mystery of the Carrying of the Cross come into me and make me truly patient. Tenth decade. We offer you, Lord Jesus, this tenth decade in honour of your Crucifixion on Mount Calvary. Through this mystery and the intercession of your holy Mother we ask for a great horror of sin, a love for the Cross and the grace of a holy death for us and for those who are now in their last agony. Our Father, ten Hail Marys, Glory be to the Father. May the grace of the Death and Passion of our Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ come into me and make me truly holy. Glorious Mysteries 158. Eleventh decade. We offer you, Lord Jesus, this eleventh decade in honour of your triumphant Resurrection. Through this mystery and through the intercession of your holy Mother we ask for a lively faith. Our Father, ten Hail Marys, Glory be to the Father. May the grace of the Resurrection come into me and make me truly faithful. Twelfth decade. We offer you, Lord Jesus, this twelfth decade in honour of your glorious Ascension. Through this mystery and the intercession of your holy Mother we ask for a firm hope and a great longing for heaven. Our Father, ten Hail Marys, Glory be to the Father. May the grace of the mystery of the Ascension of our Lord come into me and prepare me for heaven. Thirteenth decade. We offer you, O Holy Spirit, this thirteenth decade in honour of the mystery of Pentecost. Through this mystery and the intercession of Mary, your most holy Spouse, we ask for your holy wisdom that we may know, taste and practice your truth and share it with everyone. Our Father, ten Hail Marys, Glory be to the Father. May the grace of Pentecost come into me and make me truly wise in the eyes of God. Fourteenth decade. We offer you, Lord Jesus, this fourteenth decade in honour of the Immaculate Conception of your holy Mother and her Assumption into heaven body and soul. Through these two mysteries and her intercession we ask for the gift of true devotion to her in order to live a good life and have a happy death. Our Father, ten Hail Marys, Glory be to the Father. May the grace of the Immaculate Conception and the Assumption of Mary come into me and make me truly devoted to her. Fifteenth decade. We offer you, Lord Jesus, this fifteenth and last decade in honour of the Crowning in glory of your holy Mother in heaven. Through this mystery and her intercession we ask for perseverance and an increase in virtue up to the moment of our death and thereafter the eternal crown that is prepared for us. We ask for the same grace for all the just and all our benefactors. Our Father, ten Hail Marys, Glory be to the Father. 159. We beseech you, Lord Jesus, by the fifteen mysteries of your life, death, passion and glory, and the merits of your holy Mother, to convert sinners, to help the dying, to free the souls in purgatory, and to give all of us your grace so that we may live well and die well. We pray also for the light of glory to come face to face with you for all eternity Amen Do you have a link for these? . Soteria... The Bible's use of Soteria indicates its etymology from Greek mythology, as the word is used to mean "fourfold salvation: saved from the penalty, power, presence and most importantly the pleasure of sin." |
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