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The rapture is a christian excuse for NOT facing ones fears and duty to God.

 
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What is your excuse for not knowing what the Bible says about "harpazo?"
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sure is, and thats why we all in this mess, ,
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Seems like bailing when people need good folks around.
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Expectation of the rapture has a cleansing effect on a Christian. The thought that the Savior would appear that day keeps one in sinless expectation.

I could see how you godless fools could think that though.
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Expectation of the rapture has a cleansing effect on a Christian. The thought that the Savior would appear that day keeps one in sinless expectation.

I could see how you godless fools could think that though.
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they just want itchy ears, and shallow, pretrib, or whatever, , , dont want to suffer, , should he come at the end like rev. says., pretty shallow not to question, all that false churches, and mans teachings rather than ask jesus yourself, and read it, and except it.
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The rapture is a christian excuse for NOT facing ones fears and duty to God.
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What is your excuse for not knowing what the Bible says about "harpazo?"
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Bible word count
Resurrection 40+
Rapture 0
Harpazo 1 (catching away)

The rapture doctrine is false. All the verses supporting the rapture are just in the context of the resurrection.

It is the resurrection. Not the rapture.

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Expectation of the rapture has a cleansing effect on a Christian. The thought that the Savior would appear that day keeps one in sinless expectation.

I could see how you godless fools could think that though.
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Are you sinless?
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Christianity makes you weak.

Turn away from false Gods.

Embrace the God who is of your race.

It isn't Jesus!
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Expectation of the rapture has a cleansing effect on a Christian. The thought that the Savior would appear that day keeps one in sinless expectation.

I could see how you godless fools could think that though.
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they just want itchy ears, and shallow, pretrib, or whatever, , , dont want to suffer, , should he come at the end like rev. says., pretty shallow not to question, all that false churches, and mans teachings rather than ask jesus yourself, and read it, and except it.
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At our low state of consciousness, it is so human nature to take the easiest and most convenient "solution" out of the mess we created.

Have someone die to shoulder the consequences of our sins, have someone's blood cleanse us of sin, get a free pass to eternal afterlife simply by believing, pray to a deity for this and that to have a perfect life, worship a deity to show devotion and expect personal rewards and benefits in return, by a simple formality of bathing in "holy water" done by a certified holy representative one becomes "reborn" and closer to God, and by belonging to a human club the members will become the "chosen ones" to be saved when the caring and benevolent God somehow does a 180 and turn vengeful and punishes,

Much harder to choose to learn to grow up to greater wisdom and maturity by taking full responsibility for our mistakes, accepting the consequences, forgiving ourselves for not knowing any better at that moment, learning from our mistakes, and improving ourselves by not repeating the same mistakes.

We have been blessed with free will to freely choose. What then will we choose and how will we conduct ourselves.

Rarely is the better choice the easy choice.
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1There is therefore now no condemnation to them which are in Christ Jesus, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit. 2For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus hath made me free from the law of sin and death. 3For what the law could not do, in that it was weak through the flesh, God sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh, and for sin, condemned sin in the flesh: 4That the righteousness of the law might be fulfilled in us, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit. 5For they that are after the flesh do mind the things of the flesh; but they that are after the Spirit the things of the Spirit.



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Doubt those people who think they will be raptured will be the one's raptured...
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Seems like bailing when people need good folks around.
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Thats part of why the Christians are here during the tribulation period. To help others and lead them to Jesus.
That is the game plan. The rapture is not until the Day of the Lord, the 8th year after the 7 year tribulation period.

I was raised to believe the pre-trib rapture and "everyone" said it was correct and then God showed me that it is wrong.

And I realized my desire for the pre-trib rapture was a mask for selfishnes - I wanted my ticket out of this regardless of what happens to other people. I repented of that and God has been asking of I love other people and see them as He sees them, worthy of sacrificing what is left of my love to save them.

And I've come around now and have a good idea that I do not get to live out my lifelong dream of dying of natural causes. But it's all worth it if I can be used by God to save others.
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Don't worry about the rapture, you aren't going...

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Seems like bailing when people need good folks around.
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Thats part of why the Christians are here during the tribulation period. To help others and lead them to Jesus.
That is the game plan. The rapture is not until the Day of the Lord, the 8th year after the 7 year tribulation period.

I was raised to believe the pre-trib rapture and "everyone" said it was correct and then God showed me that it is wrong.

And I realized my desire for the pre-trib rapture was a mask for selfishnes - I wanted my ticket out of this regardless of what happens to other people. I repented of that and God has been asking of I love other people and see them as He sees them, worthy of sacrificing what is left of my love to save them.

And I've come around now and have a good idea that I do not get to live out my lifelong dream of dying of natural causes. But it's all worth it if I can be used by God to save others.
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Perhaps you're destined to be one of the foolish virgins.
I believe the rapture is scriptural, if one has the Spirits lamp and oil to illuminate the scriptures.
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What is your excuse for not knowing what the Bible says about "harpazo?"
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Bible word count
Resurrection 40+
Rapture 0
Harpazo 1 (catching away)

The rapture doctrine is false. All the verses supporting the rapture are just in the context of the resurrection.

It is the resurrection. Not the rapture.
 Quoting: Achduke7


a whole city believed they missed the rapture and were in the trib. because they were suffering huge


resurrection is from the grave
rapture is for those who are still alive when the resurrection happens

- we who are alive and remain shall be changed...
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The rapture is a christian excuse for NOT facing ones fears and duty to God.
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What is your excuse for not knowing what the Bible says about "harpazo?"
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 83268077


Bible word count
Resurrection 40+
Rapture 0
Harpazo 1 (catching away)

The rapture doctrine is false. All the verses supporting the rapture are just in the context of the resurrection.

It is the resurrection. Not the rapture.
 Quoting: Achduke7


a whole city believed they missed the rapture and were in the trib. because they were suffering huge


resurrection is from the grave
rapture is for those who are still alive when the resurrection happens

- we who are alive and remain shall be changed...
 Quoting: Red John


The harpazo(rapturo) happens to both dead and living. They are both caught up after the resurrection and they both get a new body. Just the same this happens as part of the resurrection. Notice in 1th 4:16 it says rise in the same context as Christ was resurrected. There is only one resurrection of the just.

Also notice in 1Co 15:54 that death is done away after we receive new bodies. How do people still die in the tribulation if death has been done away with?

1Th 4:16 For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first:

1Th 4:17 Then we which are alive [and] remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord.

1Co 15:54 So when this corruptible shall have put on incorruption, and this mortal shall have put on immortality, then shall be brought to pass the saying that is written, Death is swallowed up in victory.
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The rapture is a christian excuse for NOT facing ones fears and duty to God.
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What is your excuse for not knowing what the Bible says about "harpazo?"
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 83268077


Bible word count
Resurrection 40+
Rapture 0
Harpazo 1 (catching away)

The rapture doctrine is false. All the verses supporting the rapture are just in the context of the resurrection.

It is the resurrection. Not the rapture.
 Quoting: Achduke7


a whole city believed they missed the rapture and were in the trib. because they were suffering huge


resurrection is from the grave
rapture is for those who are still alive when the resurrection happens

- we who are alive and remain shall be changed...
 Quoting: Red John


no. resurrection is not from the grave because the meat suite has returned or is returning to DUST.. to the earth. If you are be resurrected to eternal life your soul comes under the care and protection of angels until there is a general resurrection which are about every 1000 years on this world.

Meat does not go to "heaven".. when your SOUL is resurrected you get a new form.... one that doesn't need toilets.

Rapture.. the being caught in the air.. is the fusion of your soul with your Father Fragment.... and it destroys the meat and you still get a new form . You cannot fuse with your Father Spirit... until you have reached a certain level of consciousness. Which is usually advanced 6d spiritual level god consciousness.

and as to rapture it is available to ALL on this planet at that level... has nothing to do with any religion. This is FACT. hf The "rapture "/Fusion is individual and not as a whole group of people.. many of whom are certainly not at the spiritual level for any such thing to happen.

If your suit of meat dies.. before you are 6d+ your spirit is stored.. as above until a general resurrection. If you are at 5d consciousness... you are raised in 3 days or so...but your suit of meat goes into the ground.

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Yea though I walk thru the valley of gross inability to recognize the absurd ..lies...propaganda and dark shits... I will fear it all NOT.. for THOU ART WITH ME. AND JESUS SAID ON THE CROSS.. FORGIVE THEM FATHER.. THEY KNOW NOT WHAT THEY DO
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What is your excuse for not knowing what the Bible says about "harpazo?"
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 83268077


Bible word count
Resurrection 40+
Rapture 0
Harpazo 1 (catching away)

The rapture doctrine is false. All the verses supporting the rapture are just in the context of the resurrection.

It is the resurrection. Not the rapture.
 Quoting: Achduke7


a whole city believed they missed the rapture and were in the trib. because they were suffering huge


resurrection is from the grave
rapture is for those who are still alive when the resurrection happens

- we who are alive and remain shall be changed...
 Quoting: Red John


The harpazo(rapturo) happens to both dead and living. They are both caught up after the resurrection and they both get a new body. Just the same this happens as part of the resurrection. Notice in 1th 4:16 it says rise in the same context as Christ was resurrected. There is only one resurrection of the just.

Also notice in 1Co 15:54 that death is done away after we receive new bodies. How do people still die in the tribulation if death has been done away with?

1Th 4:16 For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first:

1Th 4:17 Then we which are alive [and] remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord.

1Co 15:54 So when this corruptible shall have put on incorruption, and this mortal shall have put on immortality, then shall be brought to pass the saying that is written, Death is swallowed up in victory.
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This is not truth. not how the cosmos and god works. it is incomplete. some of it is ok.. some not.

Last Edited by Mother Maggie on 05/16/2022 01:22 PM
Yea though I walk thru the valley of gross inability to recognize the absurd ..lies...propaganda and dark shits... I will fear it all NOT.. for THOU ART WITH ME. AND JESUS SAID ON THE CROSS.. FORGIVE THEM FATHER.. THEY KNOW NOT WHAT THEY DO
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The rapture is a christian excuse for NOT facing ones fears and duty to God.
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What is your excuse for not knowing what the Bible says about "harpazo?"
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Bible word count
Resurrection 40+
Rapture 0
Harpazo 1 (catching away)

The rapture doctrine is false. All the verses supporting the rapture are just in the context of the resurrection.

It is the resurrection. Not the rapture.
 Quoting: Achduke7

specialstupid
Rapture is not a Biblical term, but a term used for a Biblical doctrine. The main difference is that a doctrine cannot be summed up in just one word.


Actually Harpazo is used 13 times in the NT.
The KJV translates "harpazo" in the following manner: catch up (4x), take by force (3x), catch away (2x), pluck (2x), catch (1x), pull (1x).


It seems your Knowledge of the Bible and Biblical subjects is very poor.
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The rapture is a christian excuse for NOT facing ones fears and duty to God.
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What is your excuse for not knowing what the Bible says about "harpazo?"
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 83268077


Bible word count
Resurrection 40+
Rapture 0
Harpazo 1 (catching away)

The rapture doctrine is false. All the verses supporting the rapture are just in the context of the resurrection.

It is the resurrection. Not the rapture.
 Quoting: Achduke7

specialstupid
Rapture is not a Biblical term, but a term used for a Biblical doctrine. The main difference is that a doctrine cannot be summed up in just one word.


Actually Harpazo is used 13 times in the NT.
The KJV translates "harpazo" in the following manner: catch up (4x), take by force (3x), catch away (2x), pluck (2x), catch (1x), pull (1x).


It seems your Knowledge of the Bible and Biblical subjects is very poor.
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Harpazo is only used once in the context of the so called rapture doctrine.

As you say it is doctrine and not biblical. The rapture doctrine is false. The very use of harpazo in 1th 4:17 is in the context of the resurrection.
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The rapture is a christian excuse for NOT facing ones fears and duty to God.
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What is your excuse for not knowing what the Bible says about "harpazo?"
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Bible word count
Resurrection 40+
Rapture 0
Harpazo 1 (catching away)

The rapture doctrine is false. All the verses supporting the rapture are just in the context of the resurrection.

It is the resurrection. Not the rapture.
 Quoting: Achduke7


a whole city believed they missed the rapture and were in the trib. because they were suffering huge


resurrection is from the grave
rapture is for those who are still alive when the resurrection happens

- we who are alive and remain shall be changed...
 Quoting: Red John


That's because they did not understand what the epiphany was at the beginning of the tribulation period. The church has the imminence doctrine for the wrong event.
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What is your excuse for not knowing what the Bible says about "harpazo?"
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Bible word count
Resurrection 40+
Rapture 0
Harpazo 1 (catching away)

The rapture doctrine is false. All the verses supporting the rapture are just in the context of the resurrection.

It is the resurrection. Not the rapture.
 Quoting: Achduke7

specialstupid
Rapture is not a Biblical term, but a term used for a Biblical doctrine. The main difference is that a doctrine cannot be summed up in just one word.


Actually Harpazo is used 13 times in the NT.
The KJV translates "harpazo" in the following manner: catch up (4x), take by force (3x), catch away (2x), pluck (2x), catch (1x), pull (1x).


It seems your Knowledge of the Bible and Biblical subjects is very poor.
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Harpazo is only used once in the context of the so called rapture doctrine.

As you say it is doctrine and not biblical. The rapture doctrine is false. The very use of harpazo in 1th 4:17 is in the context of the resurrection.
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good you do understand it then. Question to pre-tribbers: So if death is done away with and there are people who love jesus are resurrectd at the beginning of the tribulation, then those that died during the tribulation period.

1 Cor 15:26 - Resurrections are:

1. Jesus the first-fruits

2. Then those who are Jesus' at His coming (Greek work: parousia - means bodily arrival physically)

So while the pre-tribbers say that the rapture is not Jesus second coming, the above verse says that there are only 2 resurrections and the second one happens when he physically arrives. So....there is a direct conflict there.
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What gets me is why people worry about what other people think. If it's not what you think move on
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Yep. We go the same way as John the Baptist. And what is our charge? We didn’t criticize the king.

Reading the Bible and keeping the real Sabbath day holy.

Jesus is king.
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Christianity makes you weak.

Turn away from false Gods.

Embrace the God who is of your race.

It isn't Jesus!
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Ezekiel 3:18-21
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18 When I say unto the wicked, Thou shalt surely die; and thou givest him not warning, nor speakest to warn the wicked from his wicked way, to save his life; the same wicked man shall die in his iniquity; but his blood will I require at thine hand.

19 Yet if thou warn the wicked, and he turn not from his wickedness, nor from his wicked way, he shall die in his iniquity; but thou hast delivered thy soul.

If you know you must try to share with those who do not know the truth.





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