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shopping mall foot traffic

is down 90%

from the post pandemic boom peak

goodbye house prices
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Some days it feels like my wife is single handedly trying to save the local shopping mall. She will spend hours price comparing for avocados but will drop $200 on a pair of shoes.
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We're experiencing a realization about what is valuable. Turns out what's most valuable in a first world monetary based society is EASY access to AFFORDABLE ENERGY. All that stuff in walmart and target is being revalued based on the cost of energy, pricing a portion of the population out of the market for the products and services. It's not an accident. It costs more (energy / money) to extract energy resources from the crust of the Earth than it ever has in history. The easy energy has been extracted. Now, the companies that do the extracting need a price a lot of citizens cannot afford to stay in business. Keep in mind those "profits" they make have to be re-invested in future projects, or flow rates (supply to market) decrease rapidly. That's part of the reason energy has become so expensive. A LOT of investment capital went to projects trying to glorify electrons as an energy source. Investors moved money out of conventional (hydrocarbon) energy into wind mills and solar panels. Now we are seeing the return on those investments. The investment capital for future (todays) production went to "electrify America" projects that don't even provide a fraction of what it takes to run a first world society. So here we are. With an energy supply deficit due to the average investors inability to understand the difference between the energy density of electrons as compared to hydrocarbons. It's like comparing a belt fed machine gun to a water pistol. They're not even in the same category. It is my assertion that the average American is about to decrease their energy utilization by a lot. Whether voluntarily due to concerns for the environment, or due to a lack of available/affordable supply. But that is going to be theme moving forward as best I can tell.
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So peak Oil was right just off by 3 decades. Ok maybe but if that's the case why kill fracking? The consequences of peak Oil are far more devastating than the consequences of the environmental impacts of fracking.
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crypto market turning down
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What was that Perry Como hit?
"Catch a Falling Knife"?
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crypto market turning down
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Bad news for crypto tards is that all of it combined is worth zero.
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Trust Biden's economic plan, he's playing 4D Chess.
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More like he is eating his checkers.
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bruh i love you. literally for years ive been saying all of the big things that are happening are all about oil. nothing more.
from global warming, lockdowns, shipping issues, travel restrictions etc.
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Well thank you. I've been watching the energy cost of extraction and historic flow rates for some of the big deposits for over 15yrs now, and the picture hasn't changed much. It's getting more and more expensive to extract the same volume of product as time goes on. Due to extreme conditions at the site, the tech required and the people who analyze that tech, rigs having to be moved more often, the cost of inputs like sand and chemicals. Transport costs, etc. The price of oil on the market has fluctuated, but the general direction of the product seems pretty apparent to me based on the data.
One thing that is crucial right now that a lot of people don't understand is that the static in Ukraine right now is due to a squabble over who gets the energy and metals that are still subsurface. Western investors plunked down on building the energy infrastructure (think HBiden on the Burisma gas board at 80k a month with no education or experience in the industry, but 10% for the big guy) then Russia came in after the projects were either finished or well on their way and said "no, actually those resources belong to Russia". So Western investors are set to loose a HUGE return on investment in Ukraines energy and metal extraction activity if Russia takes over the infrastructure they've just funded. It's not about freedom or democracy. It's about Western investors fighting Russia over who gets the energy and metals. Western investors or Russia. It's exiting.
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Interesting and thought provoking. Likely some truth here.
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I agree. One must look far and wide around here anymore to get good intelligent and informative comments like the ones above!
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Ha Ha Ha

Club of Rome

See the 70's

Ha Ha Ha
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Was at my local Walmart yesterday...it was empty .. skeleton crew working..I use to work there myself...I figured middle of the month, everyone's broke..but even for the middle of the month it was deserted...if people had money to spend, they'd be in there doing so...I was a cashier during the first few stimulus..it was crazy busy... people are BROKE , SICK OR DEAD
 Quoting: Halfbreedgal 83276748


That's a good example of people being "priced out" of the liquid fuel club. I suspect before too long retail gasoline will become prohibitively expensive for some people. People aren't going to go to walmart as much to buy all the Chinese trinkets. Either due to them not being there because of shipping / supply line problems, or because the price increased beyond what the shopper can justify paying. When the cost of energy goes up, everything else goes up right along with it.
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People arent driving any less at $5 gass..traffic is even higher...buss tickets are $3 ..if they go any higher noone will ride them..even $3 one way is a rip...imagine 5$ one way....no way
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Was at my local Walmart yesterday...it was empty .. skeleton crew working..I use to work there myself...I figured middle of the month, everyone's broke..but even for the middle of the month it was deserted...if people had money to spend, they'd be in there doing so...I was a cashier during the first few stimulus..it was crazy busy... people are BROKE , SICK OR DEAD
 Quoting: Halfbreedgal 83276748


That's a good example of people being "priced out" of the liquid fuel club. I suspect before too long retail gasoline will become prohibitively expensive for some people. People aren't going to go to walmart as much to buy all the Chinese trinkets. Either due to them not being there because of shipping / supply line problems, or because the price increased beyond what the shopper can justify paying. When the cost of energy goes up, everything else goes up right along with it.
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People arent driving any less at $5 gass..traffic is even higher...buss tickets are $3 ..if they go any higher noone will ride them..even $3 one way is a rip...imagine 5$ one way....no way
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No one could have seen it coming. An economy built by matchsticks and monopoly money and a market that has been going up forever with obscene price to earnings ratio and incompetent corrupt tyrants ruling us, no one could have seen it coming.
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nice thread! WED CARSH!? ....TUNE-IN @3PM EST! HOO - WAH! UH..
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Walmart dropped like 12% after reporting earning yesterday. Largest retailer in America. Target down 23% after reporting earning this morning. You can’t have a growing economy without consumer spending. These two companies are probably the best indicator of consumer spending. Roughly 70% of our economy is driven by consumers.
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The buried lead here is that Walmart has 23% less business.
So, where did all those people go?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 83286988


Food banks and Goodwill. It's most likely the poorer customers who have to start cutting back due to the cost of energy.
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nice thread! WED CARSH!? ....TUNE-IN @3PM EST! HOO - WAH! UH..
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DAILY LOW SO FAR TODAY IS 32,155

...THEN..IS HAS POOR SUPPORT ALL THE WAY DOWN TO 31,825..AFTUH

THAT...29,995. CAPS.
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We're experiencing a realization about what is valuable. Turns out what's most valuable in a first world monetary based society is EASY access to AFFORDABLE ENERGY. All that stuff in walmart and target is being revalued based on the cost of energy, pricing a portion of the population out of the market for the products and services. It's not an accident. It costs more (energy / money) to extract energy resources from the crust of the Earth than it ever has in history. The easy energy has been extracted. Now, the companies that do the extracting need a price a lot of citizens cannot afford to stay in business. Keep in mind those "profits" they make have to be re-invested in future projects, or flow rates (supply to market) decrease rapidly. That's part of the reason energy has become so expensive. A LOT of investment capital went to projects trying to glorify electrons as an energy source. Investors moved money out of conventional (hydrocarbon) energy into wind mills and solar panels. Now we are seeing the return on those investments. The investment capital for future (todays) production went to "electrify America" projects that don't even provide a fraction of what it takes to run a first world society. So here we are. With an energy supply deficit due to the average investors inability to understand the difference between the energy density of electrons as compared to hydrocarbons. It's like comparing a belt fed machine gun to a water pistol. They're not even in the same category. It is my assertion that the average American is about to decrease their energy utilization by a lot. Whether voluntarily due to concerns for the environment, or due to a lack of available/affordable supply. But that is going to be theme moving forward as best I can tell.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 72946100


So peak Oil was right just off by 3 decades. Ok maybe but if that's the case why kill fracking? The consequences of peak Oil are far more devastating than the consequences of the environmental impacts of fracking.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 82048685


Because fracking as an industry is a net energy loser. It takes more energy to power the project than you get out of having done that. The fracking industry as a whole has NEVER turned a profit. Look it up. Small individual companies can turn a profit on small wells with microscopic flow rates, but the industry as a whole is not profitable. That's why the consolidation, bankruptcies, mass firings, the production slow down, etc. People started to realize fracking (at least at breakneck rates) wasn't going to make money. So, a lot of capital recently has gone from fracking and solar/wind mills to deep water. The fact is, the easy / cheap energy has been extracted. What remains costs more. A LOT more. So prices go up. Monetary based system of governance.
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Was at my local Walmart yesterday...it was empty .. skeleton crew working..I use to work there myself...I figured middle of the month, everyone's broke..but even for the middle of the month it was deserted...if people had money to spend, they'd be in there doing so...I was a cashier during the first few stimulus..it was crazy busy... people are BROKE , SICK OR DEAD
 Quoting: Halfbreedgal 83276748


That's a good example of people being "priced out" of the liquid fuel club. I suspect before too long retail gasoline will become prohibitively expensive for some people. People aren't going to go to walmart as much to buy all the Chinese trinkets. Either due to them not being there because of shipping / supply line problems, or because the price increased beyond what the shopper can justify paying. When the cost of energy goes up, everything else goes up right along with it.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 72946100


People arent driving any less at $5 gass..traffic is even higher...buss tickets are $3 ..if they go any higher noone will ride them..even $3 one way is a rip...imagine 5$ one way....no way
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 72558093


An excellent example of how high energy prices will / does / has reduced liquid fuel demand. Those passengers that will forgo their bus ride are the portion of the population that are being priced out of the "liquid fuel" club. Bike or walk now.
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It's just the usual pump and dump routine . The cesspool has a regular tide .
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Looks like Russia keeps on winning.
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We're experiencing a realization about what is valuable. Turns out what's most valuable in a first world monetary based society is EASY access to AFFORDABLE ENERGY. All that stuff in walmart and target is being revalued based on the cost of energy, pricing a portion of the population out of the market for the products and services. It's not an accident. It costs more (energy / money) to extract energy resources from the crust of the Earth than it ever has in history. The easy energy has been extracted. Now, the companies that do the extracting need a price a lot of citizens cannot afford to stay in business. Keep in mind those "profits" they make have to be re-invested in future projects, or flow rates (supply to market) decrease rapidly. That's part of the reason energy has become so expensive. A LOT of investment capital went to projects trying to glorify electrons as an energy source. Investors moved money out of conventional (hydrocarbon) energy into wind mills and solar panels. Now we are seeing the return on those investments. The investment capital for future (todays) production went to "electrify America" projects that don't even provide a fraction of what it takes to run a first world society. So here we are. With an energy supply deficit due to the average investors inability to understand the difference between the energy density of electrons as compared to hydrocarbons. It's like comparing a belt fed machine gun to a water pistol. They're not even in the same category. It is my assertion that the average American is about to decrease their energy utilization by a lot. Whether voluntarily due to concerns for the environment, or due to a lack of available/affordable supply. But that is going to be theme moving forward as best I can tell.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 72946100


So peak Oil was right just off by 3 decades. Ok maybe but if that's the case why kill fracking? The consequences of peak Oil are far more devastating than the consequences of the environmental impacts of fracking.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 82048685


Because fracking as an industry is a net energy loser. It takes more energy to power the project than you get out of having done that. The fracking industry as a whole has NEVER turned a profit. Look it up. Small individual companies can turn a profit on small wells with microscopic flow rates, but the industry as a whole is not profitable. That's why the consolidation, bankruptcies, mass firings, the production slow down, etc. People started to realize fracking (at least at breakneck rates) wasn't going to make money. So, a lot of capital recently has gone from fracking and solar/wind mills to deep water. The fact is, the easy / cheap energy has been extracted. What remains costs more. A LOT more. So prices go up. Monetary based system of governance.
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It was a nice attempt to slow the loss of US dollar reserve currency status.

It bought the US a decade or so.
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Looks like Russia keeps on winning.
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I think most people still don't understand what Russia pulling their energy off the global market will do to the global economy. If that eventuality is realized, hold on to your hats.
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nice thread! WED CARSH!? ....TUNE-IN @3PM EST! HOO - WAH! UH..
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DAILY LOW SO FAR TODAY IS 32,155

...THEN..IS HAS POOR SUPPORT ALL THE WAY DOWN TO 31,825..AFTUH

THAT...29,995. CAPS.
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THERE GOES THE FIRST ONE!.....
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Ha Ha Ha

EROI

1-1/2 barrel of oil invested to extract 1 barrel of oil out of ground

Don't worry be happy you have electric car

green raw deal

Need nuclear power

Lots and lots of nuclear power

Oil demand increase beyond 2050

Breatharians unite

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We're experiencing a realization about what is valuable. Turns out what's most valuable in a first world monetary based society is EASY access to AFFORDABLE ENERGY. All that stuff in walmart and target is being revalued based on the cost of energy, pricing a portion of the population out of the market for the products and services. It's not an accident. It costs more (energy / money) to extract energy resources from the crust of the Earth than it ever has in history. The easy energy has been extracted. Now, the companies that do the extracting need a price a lot of citizens cannot afford to stay in business. Keep in mind those "profits" they make have to be re-invested in future projects, or flow rates (supply to market) decrease rapidly. That's part of the reason energy has become so expensive. A LOT of investment capital went to projects trying to glorify electrons as an energy source. Investors moved money out of conventional (hydrocarbon) energy into wind mills and solar panels. Now we are seeing the return on those investments. The investment capital for future (todays) production went to "electrify America" projects that don't even provide a fraction of what it takes to run a first world society. So here we are. With an energy supply deficit due to the average investors inability to understand the difference between the energy density of electrons as compared to hydrocarbons. It's like comparing a belt fed machine gun to a water pistol. They're not even in the same category. It is my assertion that the average American is about to decrease their energy utilization by a lot. Whether voluntarily due to concerns for the environment, or due to a lack of available/affordable supply. But that is going to be theme moving forward as best I can tell.
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So peak Oil was right just off by 3 decades. Ok maybe but if that's the case why kill fracking? The consequences of peak Oil are far more devastating than the consequences of the environmental impacts of fracking.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 82048685


Because fracking as an industry is a net energy loser. It takes more energy to power the project than you get out of having done that. The fracking industry as a whole has NEVER turned a profit. Look it up. Small individual companies can turn a profit on small wells with microscopic flow rates, but the industry as a whole is not profitable. That's why the consolidation, bankruptcies, mass firings, the production slow down, etc. People started to realize fracking (at least at breakneck rates) wasn't going to make money. So, a lot of capital recently has gone from fracking and solar/wind mills to deep water. The fact is, the easy / cheap energy has been extracted. What remains costs more. A LOT more. So prices go up. Monetary based system of governance.
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It was a nice attempt to slow the loss of US dollar reserve currency status.

It bought the US a decade or so.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 80154459


Probably. That would make sense. They were able to get LOTS of energy out of the ground, but weren't making any money doing it. So eventually investors backed out (very upset) and the industry shrunk very quickly. I don't think we'll see anything like that again. Without massive subsidies, or some way to stay profitable.
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nice thread! WED CARSH!? ....TUNE-IN @3PM EST! HOO - WAH! UH..
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 83295475


DAILY LOW SO FAR TODAY IS 32,155

...THEN..IS HAS POOR SUPPORT ALL THE WAY DOWN TO 31,825..AFTUH

THAT...29,995. CAPS.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 83295475


THERE GOES THE FIRST ONE!.....
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32,108..LOW FOR THE DAY!....
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Ah, yes.
Muh Merica has officially become W€!M&R.

Enjoy it, rubes.
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The 1% never made so much money so quickly as they did recently.

Now we are going to go through hard economic times.

Doesn't take a rocket scientist.

Follow the money, it has to go somewhere. And from someone.
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"Doesn't take a rocket scientist."

Well, Elon Musk maybe..
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good let it collapse
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it's carshing
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So peak Oil was right just off by 3 decades. Ok maybe but if that's the case why kill fracking? The consequences of peak Oil are far more devastating than the consequences of the environmental impacts of fracking.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 82048685


Because fracking as an industry is a net energy loser. It takes more energy to power the project than you get out of having done that. The fracking industry as a whole has NEVER turned a profit. Look it up. Small individual companies can turn a profit on small wells with microscopic flow rates, but the industry as a whole is not profitable. That's why the consolidation, bankruptcies, mass firings, the production slow down, etc. People started to realize fracking (at least at breakneck rates) wasn't going to make money. So, a lot of capital recently has gone from fracking and solar/wind mills to deep water. The fact is, the easy / cheap energy has been extracted. What remains costs more. A LOT more. So prices go up. Monetary based system of governance.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 72946100


It was a nice attempt to slow the loss of US dollar reserve currency status.

It bought the US a decade or so.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 80154459


Probably. That would make sense. They were able to get LOTS of energy out of the ground, but weren't making any money doing it. So eventually investors backed out (very upset) and the industry shrunk very quickly. I don't think we'll see anything like that again. Without massive subsidies, or some way to stay profitable.
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Are you familiar with the behemoth cracker plant in Monaca Pa?

What in your opinion will become of that city sized monstrosity?
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"Doesn't take a rocket scientist."

Well, Elon Musk maybe..
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Yeah but he only plays one on tv...lol
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