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User ID: 22886090 Italy 05/18/2022 11:28 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | There isn't any demand destruction to speak of yet. That'll come soon. Right now everyone still wants that $5 gasoline and the trinkets at the store from China, but they're getting more and more expensive due to shipping and manufacturing costs. Because of the increase in the price of energy. Eventually, they'll come to realize that stuff is too expensive, but rich folks will keep consuming even with elevated prices. So the demand isn't going anywhere. It's all a supply question the way I see it, and how much the price will go up. How fast people reduce their energy footprint etc. That's what I meant....it's coming. Did you see the report about consumer credit increase? People are maxing out credit cards hoping the status quo will return. Countries around the world are collapsing as we speak. Sri Lanka, Cuba, Turkey, etc. The third world will be rioting within weeks when they can't get bread. The world is not headed back to normal any time soon. Probably not ever. I didn't see that report, but ANYTHING to keep the money changing hands. The reason a mouse trap is dangerous is because the mouse doesn't understand why the cheeze is free. I've been saying for a while that "getting back to normal" isn't what most people think. What we've been doing the past 150yrs or so isn't "normal". What's normal is what we're heading toward, and most people have no idea what's involved. That is exactly right. First tell the truth, then give your opinion.... |
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Forum Administrator 05/18/2022 11:30 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Bad news for crypto tards is that all of it combined is worth zero. I underestimated the top and pulled out at $52K. Yep, left some $$$ on the table. Now, waiting to see where I think the bottom will be to start easing back in. My guess is between $8K-$9K, but if WWIII breaks out, could go lower. Fate whispers to the warrior "You cannot withstand the storm" the warrior whispers back "I am the storm" INTJ-A |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 80747063 United States 05/18/2022 11:30 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | people always talk about 2008. Quoting: T-Man no one i know or hang out with remembers this happening. probably depended on the sector you work in people with pensions, real-estate investments 401 ks etc and builders framers plumbers in 2008 were slaughtered economically, what was your age and socioeconomic status in 2008. |
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User ID: 80668400 Netherlands 05/18/2022 11:31 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | We're experiencing a realization about what is valuable. Turns out what's most valuable in a first world monetary based society is EASY access to AFFORDABLE ENERGY. All that stuff in walmart and target is being revalued based on the cost of energy, pricing a portion of the population out of the market for the products and services. It's not an accident. It costs more (energy / money) to extract energy resources from the crust of the Earth than it ever has in history. The easy energy has been extracted. Now, the companies that do the extracting need a price a lot of citizens cannot afford to stay in business. Keep in mind those "profits" they make have to be re-invested in future projects, or flow rates (supply to market) decrease rapidly. That's part of the reason energy has become so expensive. A LOT of investment capital went to projects trying to glorify electrons as an energy source. Investors moved money out of conventional (hydrocarbon) energy into wind mills and solar panels. Now we are seeing the return on those investments. The investment capital for future (todays) production went to "electrify America" projects that don't even provide a fraction of what it takes to run a first world society. So here we are. With an energy supply deficit due to the average investors inability to understand the difference between the energy density of electrons as compared to hydrocarbons. It's like comparing a belt fed machine gun to a water pistol. They're not even in the same category. It is my assertion that the average American is about to decrease their energy utilization by a lot. Whether voluntarily due to concerns for the environment, or due to a lack of available/affordable supply. But that is going to be theme moving forward as best I can tell. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 72946100 So peak Oil was right just off by 3 decades. Ok maybe but if that's the case why kill fracking? The consequences of peak Oil are far more devastating than the consequences of the environmental impacts of fracking. My husband is a geophysicist, he finds oil for a living. He says there is no such thing as "peak oil." Abiotic oil? :kkwapper: |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 72558093 United States 05/18/2022 11:34 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | people always talk about 2008. Quoting: T-Man no one i know or hang out with remembers this happening. probably depended on the sector you work in people with pensions, real-estate investments 401 ks etc and builders framers plumbers in 2008 were slaughtered economically, what was your age and socioeconomic status in 2008. Plumbers t..tile guya..framers..landscapers.painters all booked out till sept nov and charging top dollar..how do u explain? |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 79731793 United States 05/18/2022 11:35 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | people always talk about 2008. Quoting: T-Man no one i know or hang out with remembers this happening. probably depended on the sector you work in This IS 2008. The country never actually recovered from that crash.... Obama just kicked the can down the road by "buying" temporary recovery on our bankrupt American credit card at the cost of later hyper inflation and economic doom. Hyper inflation and economic doom have arrived. We're absolutely fucked. This is the consequences of going to usury based central banking paper money. The game has only gone on by stealing wealth from the laborers who actually produce goods that people need. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 72946100 United States 05/18/2022 11:37 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | We're experiencing a realization about what is valuable. Turns out what's most valuable in a first world monetary based society is EASY access to AFFORDABLE ENERGY. All that stuff in walmart and target is being revalued based on the cost of energy, pricing a portion of the population out of the market for the products and services. It's not an accident. It costs more (energy / money) to extract energy resources from the crust of the Earth than it ever has in history. The easy energy has been extracted. Now, the companies that do the extracting need a price a lot of citizens cannot afford to stay in business. Keep in mind those "profits" they make have to be re-invested in future projects, or flow rates (supply to market) decrease rapidly. That's part of the reason energy has become so expensive. A LOT of investment capital went to projects trying to glorify electrons as an energy source. Investors moved money out of conventional (hydrocarbon) energy into wind mills and solar panels. Now we are seeing the return on those investments. The investment capital for future (todays) production went to "electrify America" projects that don't even provide a fraction of what it takes to run a first world society. So here we are. With an energy supply deficit due to the average investors inability to understand the difference between the energy density of electrons as compared to hydrocarbons. It's like comparing a belt fed machine gun to a water pistol. They're not even in the same category. It is my assertion that the average American is about to decrease their energy utilization by a lot. Whether voluntarily due to concerns for the environment, or due to a lack of available/affordable supply. But that is going to be theme moving forward as best I can tell. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 72946100 So peak Oil was right just off by 3 decades. Ok maybe but if that's the case why kill fracking? The consequences of peak Oil are far more devastating than the consequences of the environmental impacts of fracking. My husband is a geophysicist, he finds oil for a living. He says there is no such thing as "peak oil." Abiotic oil? Oil might be abiotic, or fossil but it doesn't matter. The observe "replenishment" that has been observed takes place at a teeny tiny rate. I think it's seepage from neighboring deposits, but like I said it doesn't matter. The flow rates aren't enough to even be noticeable, let alone anywhere close to being enough to make a well profitable again, or to put even a small dent in demand. That demand increases exponentially. Flow rates at abandoned wells do not. Might be able to come back after 10yrs and get another year of production out of it, but it's not going to be a money maker or a Ghawar. |
Critical Thinker User ID: 80900221 United States 05/18/2022 11:37 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Walmart dropped like 12% after reporting earning yesterday. Largest retailer in America. Target down 23% after reporting earning this morning. You can’t have a growing economy without consumer spending. These two companies are probably the best indicator of consumer spending. Roughly 70% of our economy is driven by consumers. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 78985001 [link to finviz.com (secure)] Horseshit!!! Wake the fuck up! These Monopolies are the problem with our world today because the oligarchies control them all. Many years ago there used to be ethics and things like monopoly laws, but not anymore. These places are no better than watering and feeding troths for the sleepy sheep because most of them can't produce food for themselves. If a collapse is what we need to wake up the sleep masses so be it. |
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User ID: 83054467 United States 05/18/2022 11:40 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I mean, it's not like they would know I'm white. I could wear a hoody and mask, a little spray tan... Deep Thoughts With Jack Handey. Unjabbed - Take Dayquil or Nyquil if you get the flu |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 83289897 United States 05/18/2022 11:42 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | When the Q2 earnings come in, in the crapper at that, the downturn will accelerate like an afterburner climb. Quoting: Lady Jane Smith Im glad! They have been preying on us and our children long enough. Its time for the reckoning and its starts with the fake monetary debt system! We've been lied to and cheated our entire existence, they day of accountability has arrived! I hope when it crashes it leaves a huge sinkhole to suck these parasites down into the pits of hell! Let it burn to the ground with the IRS and the Central Banks!! So something better and more honest can happen for We The People!!! Let the good times roll! |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 83295475 United States 05/18/2022 11:44 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Walmart dropped like 12% after reporting earning yesterday. Largest retailer in America. Target down 23% after reporting earning this morning. You can’t have a growing economy without consumer spending. These two companies are probably the best indicator of consumer spending. Roughly 70% of our economy is driven by consumers. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 78985001 [link to finviz.com (secure)] |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 21006153 United States 05/18/2022 11:45 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | ... Quoting: Anonymous Coward 72946100 The 2008 housing debacle was the first swing at reducing liquid fuel demand so escalating energy prices wouldn't wreck the economy. It was years in the making, worked pretty well. Then there was covid, airline woes, pipeline hacks, lumber shortages, etc. All in an effort to reduce liquid fuel demand to keep prices in a range that would keep some semblance of economic activity, so the economy doesn't break beyond repair. Now we have the Russia/Ukraine conflict for the same exact reason. Lockdowns in China...same. Every major news headline has to do with access to energy. And the pie has gotten incredibly small. I don't know if we're on the last slice, but the slice we're competing for is more expensive that it has ever been because the slice is so thin its obvious there isn't enough for everyone to get as much as they want...so prices go up. As they are. I suspect the next big event to curtail liquid fuel demand isn't far off. Maybe another covid lockdown, cyber attack, something. It's coming, watch. bruh i love you. literally for years ive been saying all of the big things that are happening are all about oil. nothing more. from global warming, lockdowns, shipping issues, travel restrictions etc. One omission: the top 1% use 40% That 40% is going to get a lot bigger. It seems to me that a portion of the population (that can no longer afford the product) are being priced out of the market. I don't know how much or how fast, but middle class especially are about to have less and less energy to work with due to no longer being able to afford it. We'll see. Yes. That is the plan. The top 1% don't plan to MEAINGINFULLY reduce their consumption. Sure, their private jets will get slightly improved efficiencies, etc. Total supply (old) = 100 units Total Supply (oil and all its input to the world) = heading to 70 Top 1% = 40 units (before) Top 1% = 40 units (at least, going forward) Fuel for 99% = 60 units (before) Fuel for 99% = 30 units (after). Yeah, so basically the masses have to be cut in half in the next 3 years, and by 70% in 5 years. In the not too distant future the US "middle class" will have the same net lifestyle as the working poor did in 2000. |
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Entitled title User ID: 47885652 Netherlands 05/18/2022 11:46 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I sold almost all my stuff before it got too bad. I would be having a heart attack right now watching this, if I was still in. will you buy back in with the money you made, trying to get more than you have before? |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 83294138 France 05/18/2022 11:50 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Chineses are pulling out their money out of the West, before Xi takes over Taiwan, there will be no Chinese funds to freeze or steal by the western bankers when the war will be on. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 83294138 clever af. if true It will be even more obvious to see on the crypto market, it's gonna be epic. |
I AM I WILL
User ID: 83054467 United States 05/18/2022 11:51 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I sold almost all my stuff before it got too bad. I would be having a heart attack right now watching this, if I was still in. will you buy back in with the money you made, trying to get more than you have before? Depends on how this crazy train continues to roll. I was doing pretty good daytrading, for awhile. Don't know if that will ever return. I'm all in on XRP and it better come through by the end of this year. Then I'll take those profits and put them wherever it seems smart. I honestly don't know how long this world has...we might not even be here in another couple years. Unjabbed - Take Dayquil or Nyquil if you get the flu |
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Entitled title User ID: 47885652 Netherlands 05/18/2022 11:51 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Chineses are pulling out their money out of the West, before Xi takes over Taiwan, there will be no Chinese funds to freeze or steal by the western bankers when the war will be on. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 83294138 clever af. if true It will be even more obvious to see on the crypto market, it's gonna be epic. its already dumping again |