A couple of questions if you are homeless or low on cash...

I've said it before...

Not that I'm a fan of govt programs but we should create a civilian force in the military called the Agriculture Force or AG Force.

We should convert the millions of acres of vacant federal lands into farms and assign people to run them. Perhaps the military sets a quota for your farm and if you go over it you get a bonus.

This would be a way to get people not qualified or capable of serving the military to instead serve the country by keeping the food supply high.

These people could be trained as farmers and Lord knows the govt has the land to do it.

I guess, but I know there are issues with these.

I'd pay people decent money, and not encourage a race to the bottom, with people lowering prices.

Work would be meaningful (cleaning up trash/planting trees etc etc) I often clean up trash for free in the mornings.

If you could raise possible issues I'd be interested.

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Having thought about this, it will most likely not work so well in the industrialized west.

The idea of "An hours work for an hours pay" seems to be lost on many modern westerners.

Interesting enough idea, but do we have to involve the military and governments?

Your idea could be trialed on half an acre of privately owned land, with 2 or 3 workers, and a 500 to 1500 USD budget.

Then we could dispense with all the techno-communist vocabulary.

Software can out-manoevure governments. Open source, even more rapidly.

I'm not a fan of government programs, but *proceeds to create government program.*

True.

Open source is the best things to solve all world's problems.

Everything free for everybody.

You obviously don’t understand the IRS.
When you pay them that way, you need to withhold the taxes, or you are setting them up to be in criminal default next April.

If you want to help the homeless in America, you can not incorporate the payment in the app. It can only connect the worker to the job offer, and the payment needs to be in cash, off the books. Which in turn, puts the IRS on your back.

What you are missing is the government doesn’t want to help the homeless, and they will punish those that do.

You clearly mean well, but you don’t understand how evil the US government has become.

Good info, but you are incredibly patronizing.

This is why no one wants to hire Americans.

Bleeuuurrrgh.

~O~

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~O~

Just lay off with the "I know you mean well" comments.

And don't make assumptions about what I know or don't know.

Dumb motherf**kers.

Last Edited by Daozen on 05/21/2022 07:32 AM

Look, I am basically Mary Poppins.

Is that how you would speak to Mary Poppins?

Because of the obscene amount of land the feds own they kinda have to be the ones to lead it.

Logic here seems simple...

Feds have literally millions up acres of vacant land.
Weve got record homelessness and despair.
We're about to run into a gigantic food crisis.

Seems like a pretty obvious solution to me.

Well, I drafted quite a lengthy and specific response to your question, but it was either blocked, deleted or eaten by the Universe.

Perhaps I'll attempt to rewrite and contribute again when I have more time.

Wishing you much success with your endeavor.

The distilled version of my position is that prevention of poverty and homelessness through temporary "hands up" efforts and programs, whether private or public/gov is the most productive and effective path.

Your app could aid in this effort with certain demographics if you are able to reach people prior to their electricity, Internet and/or cell services being turned off.

Best!
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Last Edited by TXP on 05/21/2022 08:13 AM

You may have obvious logic, but how realizable is it?

OK, but logically, how long would it take for them to let anyone trial a project like that?

10 years of lobbying?

Innovation normally starts from the private sector.

Local gov would most likely not even talk to you until you'd proven the concept on a microscale.

Trial it on private land, start the momentum, and then petition the bigger players.

Private land trusts and corporations also have a lot of spare land.

How is that patronizing.
Honestly I just presented actual facts of life in the USA.

I complimented you for meaning well.

So if no one wants to hire Americans, how would this app work in America.

Wait for the feds to lead an initiative and you'll end up... uhh... where we are now, sauntering towards dystopia.

The private sector is full of innovation right now.

I guess you get what you google.

Anyway, your solution is trialable on a small scale.

I speak to everyone the same way, factually.

Now, this ^^^ is, unfortunately, 100% factual. And, it doesn't matter if it's the local, state or fed level. They could pretty much eradicate it if they wanted, inclusive of mental health reform to address the root cause of much of the homeless challenge; they do not.
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You obviously don’t understand
What you are missing is
but you don’t understand how evil

Leave out stuff like that, and the rest of your post contains vital ideas.

Key rule, don't make any assumptions about anyone's position, knowledge or aims.

~O~

Now...

Does the IRS tax paypal payments?

Is there a lower threshold where people don't get taxed? Like, earn under 12 grand in one year and don't get taxed?

That's how it works in most countries.

I agree completely with what you're saying I just don't know that any private corp would be interested in doing this when they could just hire real farmers instead.

Someone would have to train the homeless to farm. Seems in order to do this on a large scale it would have to military in it's nature.

Daozen, a few great, private communities exist throughout the States that are modeled to place the qualifying homeless in "tiny homes" where they also provide a community environment with such features as common kitchen and living/entertainment areas and services that include legal, mental health, medical, skills and craft training, job placement, etc. They've created a support system for people, which also includes a contribution and accountability system for all residents. Of course, all private with professional skilled services being donated.

It's honestly a mission of which I'd like to be part of duplicating across the country.

Your app would be well-positioned for this population.
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Has to first be people who want to get out of poverty. That would be the first prerequisite.

Then BARTERING. No money involved since they have none to spare if any at all. Skills either established skills or those wanting to learn good skills.

Also since all people must be verified for any job for safety and security, there would have to be a way to identify those who are truly honest people or it won't work either. Too many out there ready to steal and harm. Can't just go with someones word, trust and saying they are honest. Must protect both sides in the barter process. Must have a workable fail safe method for this in place prior.

By private industry I mean some guy with 1500 dollars spare.

Involving the military is too communistic for my tastes. Feels like a work camp.

The experiments are already going on.

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In order to scale something, you'd need media and money. The military are not essential, IMO.

Maybe there will be a time when the military help fix the Earth, but I'm not holding my breath for it.

Start small, with a replicable experiment, and scale up in modular units.

That's typically handled by the employer where taxes are deducted in advance and then it's incumbent upon the employee to file annually.

With self employment and contract work, it's the responsibility of the worker to file annually.

And, then there's under the table cash payment.

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Revolution is the best option for everybody except the junta (U.S.Joint Cmdrs) - if everybody knew or cared about facts

So then the question becomes:

Is there such a thing as an under-the-table digital payment?

You could also become a non-profit / charity and take a step towards legality.

Someone could be a local node, collect money, and pay cash to 5-10 people.

And the big consideration: There's a lower taxable limit, and many concessions made for charities, if you look at the small print.

The lower taxable limit seems to be about 12,000 in the US. Most homeless people would be below that.

~O~

You're describing a social credit score you nimwit....

If those doing the "verifying" will chose what is deemed as "safe, secure, and verified", do you not see the problem there?

Let me enlighten you:

-"Guns aren't safe, they're an epidemic"
-"hate speech isn't safe"
-"misogyny isn't safe"
-"unvaxxed (or soon, unchipped) isn't safe"
-"speech contrary to the approval of the disinformation board isn't safe"

pick your flavor...

Somebody is probably making jokes about how they need a drink or pain killers and how all those people out there .....

1. Bitcoin or other crypto digital pmt, perhaps

2. Far too much paperwork and quarterly and annual filings and reports even for the non-homeless, person

3. I assume that person might then become responsible for tax payment. If not, those 5-10 people on the receiving end will still be responsible.

4. Any person receiving income in the year must file even if said person falls under the taxable threshold.

The IRS wants their money and with the collusion of Congress has, oh, so many reams upon reams of tax code and laws to ensure they receive it.
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Last Edited by TXP on 05/21/2022 08:42 AM

I meant that I or someone else could file as a charity, and make it legal to pay others.

Meta-point

If you bring up an obstacle, please make an effort to brainstorm a solution. Otherwise it offloads all the thinking onto me.

At least turn the obstacle into a question, and let others think about it.

Im busy with Javascript and CSS right now. I just don't have the time to research the legalities.

I won't blow off all the legal issues, as I'm aware they are important...

What I would do, is set up a FB/Rddit or other group for people to figure out the legal issues involved with work.

~O~

There are many ways around these issues if people use their brains. One is to exchange work for a product that was previously agreed on. i.e. 4 hours work for 100 USD worth of food/credit.

Last Edited by Daozen on 05/21/2022 09:01 AM

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Give them a job.

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We are giving you facts in response to your ideas to use in your equation and developnent. We aren't here to develop your program for you.

Be appreciative for the contributions, FFS. You have challenges.
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