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Matthew 24:24 Whom are the elect?

 
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What is going to happen during the tribulation will be the worst time in human history and more horrible than any time moving forward in the future of humanity. Picking up your cross means your daily walk with God, spreading the gospel, and repenting. God did not appoint his people for wrath, especially the worst wrath he’ll ever allow on humanity. The rapture is biblical and God’s word. Not believing in the rapture of Christ rescuing his body could result in one being left behind. He asks us to pray to escape these trials, not doubt him. I’d tread lightly on this subject and not deceive yourself.

God hath not appointed us to wrath, but to obtain salvation by our Lord Jesus Christ,
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The harpazo is true. The rapture doctrine is false. The harpazo is part of the resurrection. The Dead(Rising First) is the resurrection and happens before the living. There is only one resurrection of the just.

As for wrath we are not subject to wrath. First tribulation and then wrath. The wrath happens after the 6th seal as noted in Revelation.
 Quoting: Achduke7

You haven’t actually studied the word Harpazo in the Bible and it’s origins. It most definitely refers to the rapture as it alludes to 5 different times in the Bible when people were physically raptured or taken from one place to another whether it be to heaven or to another place on earth. As I said above, I think you need to study this because you’re deceived. I started a thread on, you can read it here. Let me know if you have any questions, the source I used regarding the word Harpazo and it’s origin, usuagr, and literal meaning aren’t up for debate and dates back to the Latin Vulgate before the AKJV. Let me know if you have any questions.

Thread: Harpazo, the Rapture is real and let’s just clear this up once and for all

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The above will clear up any confusion you have.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 80518784


Only once in the bible in 1 Th 4:17 does harpazo denote what everyone calls the rapture but looking at 1 Th 4:14 and 1 th 4:16 we can see this is in the context of the resurrection!

Rise and Rose from the Dead is the resurrection.


1 TH 4:14 For if we believe that Jesus died and rose again, even so them also which sleep in Jesus will God bring with him. 15 For this we say unto you by the word of the Lord, that we which are alive and remain unto the coming of the Lord shall not prevent them which are asleep. 16 For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first:
 Quoting: Achduke7

Paul makes it clear we meet Christ in the air in the verse you reference as opposed to the surface of the earth. This distinctly separates the Harpazo or Rapture from the resurrection as when Christ returns the second time to earth, he will do so with the armies of heaven and sit upon the Mt. of Olives and dispense judgment. Two completely separate events.
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in verse 34 he speaks of "these" plural referring to all the previous events in the verses describing the skys and ages and sign in heaven, not only fig tree. the fig tree is probably a parable.



chapter 35 he says his WORD will continue beyond that generation basically. and the bible is around today.


verse 36 throws it off unles he means "hour and day unknown within their generation" maybe


jesus eventually came after crucifixition and dying and showed his hands to one companian.


i thinking some of those events never happened or he refered to his future within the apostles timeframe.
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maybe we can agree to disagree lol.
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From all the data the elect are sone sort of reward gift to Christ for his shed blood

Revelation tells us more

They number an exact 144 thousand from us

They are all DNA descendants of the 12 tribes.. So actually can be of any race that carries the DNA that only God can detect

They all have no guile .. I guess they do not curse or lie or judge any one

They have never been defiled with women and are all virgins.. This tells us they are all males and have not been with a prostitute

They do not have the mark of the beast - which in the US would be ones SSN... So they obviously live off the land.. No SSN, They have no bank account, no drivers license, no house mortgage, do not have any government job... all of these and there are many more that require you to have a number for your name.. This is what they overcome. Ones SSN at least seen by God means you belong to that beast government because your name is numbered to it I guess.

There is no scripture that say's they preach or prophecy or do miracles.. All it say's is they are protected through the great tribulation.. and in such a way that God actually cuts the tribulation short for their sake.. So obviously someone is about to push the global thermonuclear war button and God cuts that short to rescue them

And OH.. almost forgot.. They are what abortion has been about all these years.. Just as Satan tried to kill Moses and Jesus as infants or babies Satan has been all these years trying to kill these elect as babies. For some reason Satan must have some crystal ball predictor on which babies might be one of the elect

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Laughable, again that's called the great tribulation, yet you are not with the Christ, otherwise I would had known you as one of my sheep?.

Pope 'Acher, Paul & Cephas a.k.a Peter the swarthy' Francis did a good jobs brainwashing the world on her senile and haughty majesty Queen of Worm who broke the Law of the Sun consciousness into the pit of no return.

What? still don't believe that I am Elijah?.

Or wished that I am not Elijah?.

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And his disciples questioned him, saying, “Why then do the scribes say that it is necessary for Elijah to arrive first?”

But in response, he said to them: “Elijah, indeed, shall arrive and restore all things.

But I say to you, that Elijah has already arrived, and they did not recognize him, but they did whatever they wanted to him. So also shall the Son of man suffer from them.”

Then the disciples understood that he had spoken to them about John the Baptist. - Lord Jesus in Matthew 17:10-13 Vulgate Bible
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From all the data the elect are sone sort of reward gift to Christ for his shed blood

Revelation tells us more

They number an exact 144 thousand from us

They are all DNA descendants of the 12 tribes.. So actually can be of any race that carries the DNA that only God can detect

They all have no guile .. I guess they do not curse or lie or judge any one

They have never been defiled with women and are all virgins.. This tells us they are all males and have not been with a prostitute

They do not have the mark of the beast - which in the US would be ones SSN... So they obviously live off the land.. No SSN, They have no bank account, no drivers license, no house mortgage, do not have any government job... all of these and there are many more that require you to have a number for your name.. This is what they overcome.

There is no scripture that say's they preach or prophecy or do miracles.. All it say's is they are protected through the great tribulation.. and in such a way that God actually cuts the tribulation short for their sake.. So obviously someone is about to push the global thermonuclear war button and God cuts that short to rescue them
 Quoting: YEA Eoreris


People at the time of Jesus ministering to the flock, we're worshiping the Queen of Heaven, a deity called the Queen of Heaven, that would be a lot of goddesses, and there are a lot of symbols about her, you can look it up. These 144 thousand were their first fruits from him. These are from all the t-group revelation and these did not know women, they didn't worship the queen of heaven cult. Each t-group has a name in Revelation and the amount of each.

Revelation chapter 7 is where to look. Each t-group has a name. Each name and their grouping were never worshipped at the feet of the Queen of Heaven and this cult goes all the way back in time when Jeremiah spoke about this problem. Today has become a practice today, abortion is one of them, sexual deviancy is another, and more. Some people don't know they are involved in the worship of her cult. Below is part of it, done by trickery.

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Below is the ancient cult.

[link to en.wikipedia.org (secure)]

Ahab and Jezebel worshipped her in another name but the same, they had shaved-headed men and women who were their living god and goddesses, they were working and sexual workers do, you will find this in the writings of Paul to a Church group. These women of the group had been part of them and needed to be called down because they were doing things they should not have been doing.

Some of them at the time Roman would become pregnant and sacrifice the baby the next year on the spring day they called Easter for the land. These cults are still in existence, I found this out, made me sick. All of them are linked in part or whole. Baal Peor, the first name for this evil by God after coming out of Egypt and that problem in the tent that ended it. The first time the devil had a link to its' evil.

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The harpazo is true. The rapture doctrine is false. The harpazo is part of the resurrection. The Dead(Rising First) is the resurrection and happens before the living. There is only one resurrection of the just.

As for wrath we are not subject to wrath. First tribulation and then wrath. The wrath happens after the 6th seal as noted in Revelation.
 Quoting: Achduke7

You haven’t actually studied the word Harpazo in the Bible and it’s origins. It most definitely refers to the rapture as it alludes to 5 different times in the Bible when people were physically raptured or taken from one place to another whether it be to heaven or to another place on earth. As I said above, I think you need to study this because you’re deceived. I started a thread on, you can read it here. Let me know if you have any questions, the source I used regarding the word Harpazo and it’s origin, usuagr, and literal meaning aren’t up for debate and dates back to the Latin Vulgate before the AKJV. Let me know if you have any questions.

Thread: Harpazo, the Rapture is real and let’s just clear this up once and for all

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The above will clear up any confusion you have.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 80518784


Only once in the bible in 1 Th 4:17 does harpazo denote what everyone calls the rapture but looking at 1 Th 4:14 and 1 th 4:16 we can see this is in the context of the resurrection!

Rise and Rose from the Dead is the resurrection.


1 TH 4:14 For if we believe that Jesus died and rose again, even so them also which sleep in Jesus will God bring with him. 15 For this we say unto you by the word of the Lord, that we which are alive and remain unto the coming of the Lord shall not prevent them which are asleep. 16 For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first:
 Quoting: Achduke7

Paul makes it clear we meet Christ in the air in the verse you reference as opposed to the surface of the earth. This distinctly separates the Harpazo or Rapture from the resurrection as when Christ returns the second time to earth, he will do so with the armies of heaven and sit upon the Mt. of Olives and dispense judgment. Two completely separate events.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 80518784


That does not rule out meeting Christ in the air at his 2nd coming just before He arrives. It is not uncommon to meet your King before He returns.

The resurrection happens just before the harpazo.

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Interesting notion. Belief is personal faith and faith in that which is unseen. God gave us free will. Do I believe the bible is correct? Yes, but that is my belief. How ever mystery quoter, you dont seem to have an unhealthy association with this demonic clown imagery you keep posting. What's your thoughts?.. without copying and pasting.
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Course you cannot see the subconcious of the soul, let alone superconscious of the Spirit with the optical vision of your human conscious eyes and isn't beauty within the eyes of the beholder?.

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This is not a new age thread. Do you have anything to contribute about the elect?
 Quoting: Achduke7


Again maybe English not your main language?, truly I am not here for you but for others who are with the Christ.

So deleted the truth as you pleased.

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I said, “In the middle of my life I am to enter the gates of Sheol; I am to be deprived of the rest of my years.” I said, “I will not see Charlie, Charlie in the land of the living; I will look on man no more among the inhabitants of the world. - Isaiah 38:9-11

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Lo, for my own welfare I had great bitterness; it is You who has kept my soul from the pit of nothingness, for You have cast all my sins behind Your back. For Sheol cannot thank You, death cannot praise You; those who go down to the pit cannot hope for Your faithfulness. It is the living who give thanks to You, as I do today. [said Hezekiah a.k.a Nostradamus] - Isaiah 38:17-19
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You haven’t actually studied the word Harpazo in the Bible and it’s origins. It most definitely refers to the rapture as it alludes to 5 different times in the Bible when people were physically raptured or taken from one place to another whether it be to heaven or to another place on earth. As I said above, I think you need to study this because you’re deceived. I started a thread on, you can read it here. Let me know if you have any questions, the source I used regarding the word Harpazo and it’s origin, usuagr, and literal meaning aren’t up for debate and dates back to the Latin Vulgate before the AKJV. Let me know if you have any questions.

Thread: Harpazo, the Rapture is real and let’s just clear this up once and for all

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The above will clear up any confusion you have.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 80518784


Only once in the bible in 1 Th 4:17 does harpazo denote what everyone calls the rapture but looking at 1 Th 4:14 and 1 th 4:16 we can see this is in the context of the resurrection!

Rise and Rose from the Dead is the resurrection.


1 TH 4:14 For if we believe that Jesus died and rose again, even so them also which sleep in Jesus will God bring with him. 15 For this we say unto you by the word of the Lord, that we which are alive and remain unto the coming of the Lord shall not prevent them which are asleep. 16 For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first:
 Quoting: Achduke7

Paul makes it clear we meet Christ in the air in the verse you reference as opposed to the surface of the earth. This distinctly separates the Harpazo or Rapture from the resurrection as when Christ returns the second time to earth, he will do so with the armies of heaven and sit upon the Mt. of Olives and dispense judgment. Two completely separate events.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 80518784


That does not rule out meeting Christ in the air at his 2nd coming just before He arrives. It is not uncommon to meet your King before He returns.

The resurrection happens just before the harpazo.
 Quoting: Achduke7


What does the "air" mean to ya'll? Considering the times these words were written and to whom they were written to, do you think we would understand differently or convey differently?
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You haven’t actually studied the word Harpazo in the Bible and it’s origins. It most definitely refers to the rapture as it alludes to 5 different times in the Bible when people were physically raptured or taken from one place to another whether it be to heaven or to another place on earth. As I said above, I think you need to study this because you’re deceived. I started a thread on, you can read it here. Let me know if you have any questions, the source I used regarding the word Harpazo and it’s origin, usuagr, and literal meaning aren’t up for debate and dates back to the Latin Vulgate before the AKJV. Let me know if you have any questions.

Thread: Harpazo, the Rapture is real and let’s just clear this up once and for all

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The above will clear up any confusion you have.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 80518784


Only once in the bible in 1 Th 4:17 does harpazo denote what everyone calls the rapture but looking at 1 Th 4:14 and 1 th 4:16 we can see this is in the context of the resurrection!

Rise and Rose from the Dead is the resurrection.


1 TH 4:14 For if we believe that Jesus died and rose again, even so them also which sleep in Jesus will God bring with him. 15 For this we say unto you by the word of the Lord, that we which are alive and remain unto the coming of the Lord shall not prevent them which are asleep. 16 For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first:
 Quoting: Achduke7

Paul makes it clear we meet Christ in the air in the verse you reference as opposed to the surface of the earth. This distinctly separates the Harpazo or Rapture from the resurrection as when Christ returns the second time to earth, he will do so with the armies of heaven and sit upon the Mt. of Olives and dispense judgment. Two completely separate events.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 80518784


That does not rule out meeting Christ in the air at his 2nd coming just before He arrives. It is not uncommon to meet your King before He returns.

The resurrection happens just before the harpazo.
 Quoting: Achduke7


Jesus died on the cross he was resurrected, he went to hell first or the place of their rest, where they had been until his coming, he came to tell them and set them free, they not only were freed, they came back with him, the door was opened and the prisoner was set free, some didn't they heard his words, I guess they didn't want to be free or they could not be freed some group cannot be freed because they never believed of his coming, other awaited him since their day.

Remember this part, those who died knowing Jesus is lord and the Lord God sent him, are with him today, they do not go into the pit. The believer rises first, and after the thousand years are up when New Jerusalem comes down from Heaven is what it says, after those thousand years, another time comes. Read it again, slowly, Jesus said he did not know the time or the hour only the Lord God knows, but everything that happens before it is known. We don't know the day or the hour and guess what you don't need to know except be watchful, be ready at all times. Love overcomes much and when much is given, I am not talking about money, though if you have more than you need, help where you can do the best.
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pffft-spitsmoke

If anyone teaches otherwise, and does not consent to the sound words of our Lord Jesus Christ, and to that doctrine which is in accord with piety,

then he is arrogant, knowing nothing, yet languishing amid the questions and quarrels of words. From these arise envy, contention, blasphemy, evil suspicions: - Timothy 6:3-4
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Matthew 24:24 For there shall arise false Christs, and false prophets, and shall shew great signs and wonders; insomuch that, if it were possible, they shall deceive the very elect.

Who do you think the elect are?
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Matthew 19:30

But many who are first will be last, and the last first.
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Again you mean the elect of the living father?.

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'Take what is yours and go. But it is my will to give to this last, just as to you.

And is it not lawful for me to do what I will? Or is your eye wicked because I am good?’

So then, the last shall be first, and the first shall be last. For many ALL are called, but few are chosen choose to listen. Therefore, they do not choose RIGHT.” - Lord Jesus in Matthew 20:14-16


I cannot choose for you, but I CAN help you make your own right choice. “Many are called but few are chosen” should read, “ALL are called but few choose to listen. Therefore, they do not choose RIGHT.”

The “chosen ones” are merely those who choose right SOONER. This is the real meaning of the celestial speed-up. Strong wills can do this NOW, and you WILL find rest for your Souls. God knows you only in peace, and this IS your reality.

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imo, it's most important to understand the aramaic meaning of the word we have interpreted for us as "elect." I haven't looked at it yet, but the understanding from the original languages is very often quite different than what the english language has given us.
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Only once in the bible in 1 Th 4:17 does harpazo denote what everyone calls the rapture but looking at 1 Th 4:14 and 1 th 4:16 we can see this is in the context of the resurrection!

Rise and Rose from the Dead is the resurrection.


1 TH 4:14 For if we believe that Jesus died and rose again, even so them also which sleep in Jesus will God bring with him. 15 For this we say unto you by the word of the Lord, that we which are alive and remain unto the coming of the Lord shall not prevent them which are asleep. 16 For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first:
 Quoting: Achduke7

Paul makes it clear we meet Christ in the air in the verse you reference as opposed to the surface of the earth. This distinctly separates the Harpazo or Rapture from the resurrection as when Christ returns the second time to earth, he will do so with the armies of heaven and sit upon the Mt. of Olives and dispense judgment. Two completely separate events.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 80518784


That does not rule out meeting Christ in the air at his 2nd coming just before He arrives. It is not uncommon to meet your King before He returns.

The resurrection happens just before the harpazo.
 Quoting: Achduke7


What does the "air" mean to ya'll? Considering the times these words were written and to whom they were written to, do you think we would understand differently or convey differently?
 Quoting: Satya Revelations


clouds.

Rev 1:7 Behold, he cometh with clouds; and every eye shall see him, and they [also] which pierced him: and all kindreds of the earth shall wail because of him. Even so, Amen.

Rev 11:12 And they heard a great voice from heaven saying unto them, Come up hither. And they ascended up to heaven in a cloud; and their enemies beheld them.
1Th 4:17 Then we which are alive [and] remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord.
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You haven’t actually studied the word Harpazo in the Bible and it’s origins. It most definitely refers to the rapture as it alludes to 5 different times in the Bible when people were physically raptured or taken from one place to another whether it be to heaven or to another place on earth. As I said above, I think you need to study this because you’re deceived. I started a thread on, you can read it here. Let me know if you have any questions, the source I used regarding the word Harpazo and it’s origin, usuagr, and literal meaning aren’t up for debate and dates back to the Latin Vulgate before the AKJV. Let me know if you have any questions.

Thread: Harpazo, the Rapture is real and let’s just clear this up once and for all

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The above will clear up any confusion you have.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 80518784


Only once in the bible in 1 Th 4:17 does harpazo denote what everyone calls the rapture but looking at 1 Th 4:14 and 1 th 4:16 we can see this is in the context of the resurrection!

Rise and Rose from the Dead is the resurrection.


1 TH 4:14 For if we believe that Jesus died and rose again, even so them also which sleep in Jesus will God bring with him. 15 For this we say unto you by the word of the Lord, that we which are alive and remain unto the coming of the Lord shall not prevent them which are asleep. 16 For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first:
 Quoting: Achduke7

Paul makes it clear we meet Christ in the air in the verse you reference as opposed to the surface of the earth. This distinctly separates the Harpazo or Rapture from the resurrection as when Christ returns the second time to earth, he will do so with the armies of heaven and sit upon the Mt. of Olives and dispense judgment. Two completely separate events.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 80518784


That does not rule out meeting Christ in the air at his 2nd coming just before He arrives. It is not uncommon to meet your King before He returns.

The resurrection happens just before the harpazo.
 Quoting: Achduke7

You’re twisting scripture friend.
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Only once in the bible in 1 Th 4:17 does harpazo denote what everyone calls the rapture but looking at 1 Th 4:14 and 1 th 4:16 we can see this is in the context of the resurrection!

Rise and Rose from the Dead is the resurrection.


1 TH 4:14 For if we believe that Jesus died and rose again, even so them also which sleep in Jesus will God bring with him. 15 For this we say unto you by the word of the Lord, that we which are alive and remain unto the coming of the Lord shall not prevent them which are asleep. 16 For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first:
 Quoting: Achduke7

Paul makes it clear we meet Christ in the air in the verse you reference as opposed to the surface of the earth. This distinctly separates the Harpazo or Rapture from the resurrection as when Christ returns the second time to earth, he will do so with the armies of heaven and sit upon the Mt. of Olives and dispense judgment. Two completely separate events.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 80518784


That does not rule out meeting Christ in the air at his 2nd coming just before He arrives. It is not uncommon to meet your King before He returns.

The resurrection happens just before the harpazo.
 Quoting: Achduke7

You’re twisting scripture friend.
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Actually it is not. Twisting scripture it saying that christ comes back twice.
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I've noticed that the people that do not believe in the Rapture, Christ seizing His faithful away to Him before the Tribulation,

also do not believe in the Tribulation for Israel until she begs His Pardon for their Sin and their Salvation.
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For I do not desire, brethren,
that you should be ignorant of this mystery,
lest you should be wise in your own opinion,
that blindness in part has happened to Israel
until the fullness of the Gentiles has come in.
And so all Israel will be saved, as it is written

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Thread: The Great Tribulation is Not Wrath - Rapture End Times - KJV Bible Study
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Re: Matthew 24:24 Whom are the elect?
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Paul makes it clear we meet Christ in the air in the verse you reference as opposed to the surface of the earth. This distinctly separates the Harpazo or Rapture from the resurrection as when Christ returns the second time to earth, he will do so with the armies of heaven and sit upon the Mt. of Olives and dispense judgment. Two completely separate events.
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That does not rule out meeting Christ in the air at his 2nd coming just before He arrives. It is not uncommon to meet your King before He returns.

The resurrection happens just before the harpazo.
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You’re twisting scripture friend.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 81213675


Actually it is not. Twisting scripture it saying that christ comes back twice.
 Quoting: Achduke7

Never said he came back “twice”, he only comes back once and that is at the end of the tribulation, pretty clear on that. You’re misconstruing scripture with convoluted interpretation. There is a rapture and I linked an article in this very thread defining this to perfection regarding the word Harpazo and it’s usage within text before the translation of the AKJV. It’s obvious you don’t want to learn, rare people do. They know it all.
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Re: Matthew 24:24 Whom are the elect?
matthew chapter 24 verse 1 (talking to his disciples)

" Jesus left the temple and was walking away when his disciples came up to him to call his attention to its buildings.1 Jesus left the temple and was walking away when his disciples came up to him to call his attention to its buildings."

he continues speaking to disciples in the next verses.

matthew chapter 24 v 34:

"Truly I tell you, this generation will certainly not pass away until all these things have happened."


the whole chapter is about destruction of temple and sign of end of times (ages: verse 3) not necessarly the end of the world.

either way it was in their generation.
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NONSENSE.

Did ALL those things happen during the Apostles lifetimes?

Absolutely NOT.

It's also possible that Jesus didn't know ALL the details of the End Times - proof of which is that 60+ years later God gave Jesus The Revelation.

Matthew 24 verse is specific about 'end of the world'.

Matthew 24:3 And as he sat upon the mount of Olives, the disciples came unto him privately, saying, Tell us, when shall these things be? and what shall be the sign of thy coming, and of the end of the world?
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Paul makes it clear we meet Christ in the air in the verse you reference as opposed to the surface of the earth. This distinctly separates the Harpazo or Rapture from the resurrection as when Christ returns the second time to earth, he will do so with the armies of heaven and sit upon the Mt. of Olives and dispense judgment. Two completely separate events.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 80518784


That does not rule out meeting Christ in the air at his 2nd coming just before He arrives. It is not uncommon to meet your King before He returns.

The resurrection happens just before the harpazo.
 Quoting: Achduke7


What does the "air" mean to ya'll? Considering the times these words were written and to whom they were written to, do you think we would understand differently or convey differently?
 Quoting: Satya Revelations


clouds.

Rev 1:7 Behold, he cometh with clouds; and every eye shall see him, and they [also] which pierced him: and all kindreds of the earth shall wail because of him. Even so, Amen.

Rev 11:12 And they heard a great voice from heaven saying unto them, Come up hither. And they ascended up to heaven in a cloud; and their enemies beheld them.
1Th 4:17 Then we which are alive [and] remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord.
 Quoting: Achduke7


I'm ordering an interlinear Aramaic bible version.. it will be interesting to see what the words really say.
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That does not rule out meeting Christ in the air at his 2nd coming just before He arrives. It is not uncommon to meet your King before He returns.

The resurrection happens just before the harpazo.
 Quoting: Achduke7

You’re twisting scripture friend.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 81213675


Actually it is not. Twisting scripture it saying that christ comes back twice.
 Quoting: Achduke7

Never said he came back “twice”, he only comes back once and that is at the end of the tribulation, pretty clear on that. You’re misconstruing scripture with convoluted interpretation. There is a rapture and I linked an article in this very thread defining this to perfection regarding the word Harpazo and it’s usage within text before the translation of the AKJV. It’s obvious you don’t want to learn, rare people do. They know it all.
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What does rapture mean to you other then being caught up in the clouds?
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Re: Matthew 24:24 Whom are the elect?
a generation is 20-25 years.

an age might be around 2000-2500 years.
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Yet many of the verses of Matthew 24 are specific to 'the END of the WORLD'.


Matthew 24 King James Version

1 And Jesus went out, and departed from the temple: and his disciples came to him for to shew him the buildings of the temple.

2 And Jesus said unto them, See ye not all these things? verily I say unto you, There shall not be left here one stone upon another, that shall not be thrown down.

3 And as he sat upon the mount of Olives, the disciples came unto him privately, saying, Tell us, when shall these things be? and what shall be the sign of thy coming, and of the end of the world?

4 And Jesus answered and said unto them, Take heed that no man deceive you.

5 For many shall come in my name, saying, I am Christ; and shall deceive many.

6 And ye shall hear of wars and rumours of wars: see that ye be not troubled: for all these things must come to pass, but the end is not yet.

7 For nation shall rise against nation, and kingdom against kingdom: and there shall be famines, and pestilences, and earthquakes, in divers places.

8 All these are the beginning of sorrows.


9 Then shall they deliver you up to be afflicted, and shall kill you: and ye shall be hated of all nations for my name's sake.

10 And then shall many be offended, and shall betray one another, and shall hate one another.

11 And many false prophets shall rise, and shall deceive many.

12 And because iniquity shall abound, the love of many shall wax cold.

13 But he that shall endure unto the end, the same shall be saved.

14 And this gospel of the kingdom shall be preached in all the world for a witness unto all nations; and then shall the end come.

15 When ye therefore shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, stand in the holy place, (whoso readeth, let him understand:)

16 Then let them which be in Judaea flee into the mountains:

17 Let him which is on the housetop not come down to take any thing out of his house:

18 Neither let him which is in the field return back to take his clothes.

19 And woe unto them that are with child, and to them that give suck in those days!

20 But pray ye that your flight be not in the winter, neither on the sabbath day:

21 For then shall be great tribulation, such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, no, nor ever shall be.

22 And except those days should be shortened, there should no flesh be saved: but for the elect's sake those days shall be shortened.

23 Then if any man shall say unto you, Lo, here is Christ, or there; believe it not.

24 For there shall arise false Christs, and false prophets, and shall shew great signs and wonders; insomuch that, if it were possible, they shall deceive the very elect.

25 Behold, I have told you before.

26 Wherefore if they shall say unto you, Behold, he is in the desert; go not forth: behold, he is in the secret chambers; believe it not.

27 For as the lightning cometh out of the east, and shineth even unto the west; so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.

28 For wheresoever the carcase is, there will the eagles be gathered together.

29 Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken:

30 And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tri-***clans***-bes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.

31 And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.

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32 Now learn a parable of the fig tree; When his branch is yet tender, and putteth forth leaves, ye know that summer is nigh:

33 So likewise ye, when ye shall see all these things, know that it is near, even at the doors.

34 Verily I say unto you, This generation shall not pass, till all these things be fulfilled.

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35 Heaven and earth shall pass away, but my words shall not pass away.

36 But of that day and hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels of heaven, but my Father only.

37 But as the days of Noah were, so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.

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38 For as in the days that were before the flood they were eating and drinking, marrying and giving in marriage, until the day that Noe entered into the ark,

39 And knew not until the flood came, and took them all away; so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.

40 Then shall two be in the field; the one shall be taken, and the other left.

41 Two women shall be grinding at the mill; the one shall be taken, and the other left.

42 Watch therefore: for ye know not what hour your Lord doth come.

43 But know this, that if the goodman of the house had known in what watch the thief would come, he would have watched, and would not have suffered his house to be broken up.

44 Therefore be ye also ready: for in such an hour as ye think not the Son of man cometh.

45 Who then is a faithful and wise servant, whom his lord hath made ruler over his household, to give them meat in due season?

46 Blessed is that servant, whom his lord when he cometh shall find so doing.

47 Verily I say unto you, That he shall make him ruler over all his goods.

48 But and if that evil servant shall say in his heart, My lord delayeth his coming;

49 And shall begin to smite his fellowservants, and to eat and drink with the drunken;

50 The lord of that servant shall come in a day when he looketh not for him, and in an hour that he is not aware of,

51 And shall cut him asunder, and appoint him his portion with the hypocrites: there shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth.


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Re: Matthew 24:24 Whom are the elect?
NONSENSE.

Did ALL those things happen during the Apostles lifetimes?

Absolutely NOT.

It's also possible that Jesus didn't know ALL the details of the End Times - proof of which is that 60+ years later God gave Jesus The Revelation.

Matthew 24 verse is specific about 'end of the world'.

Matthew 24:3 And as he sat upon the mount of Olives, the disciples came unto him privately, saying, Tell us, when shall these things be? and what shall be the sign of thy coming, and of the end of the world?



but i am not interested what rapture, millenialists think.
im interested in what christians believe.



3As Jesus was sitting on the Mount of Olives, the disciples came to him privately. “Tell us,” they said, “when will this happen, and what will be the sign of your coming and of the end of the age?”
New International Verson



clearly age


are you using the false King James Bible?
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You’re twisting scripture friend.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 81213675


Actually it is not. Twisting scripture it saying that christ comes back twice.
 Quoting: Achduke7

Never said he came back “twice”, he only comes back once and that is at the end of the tribulation, pretty clear on that. You’re misconstruing scripture with convoluted interpretation. There is a rapture and I linked an article in this very thread defining this to perfection regarding the word Harpazo and it’s usage within text before the translation of the AKJV. It’s obvious you don’t want to learn, rare people do. They know it all.
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What does rapture mean to you other then being caught up in the clouds?
 Quoting: Achduke7

Folllow and Read the free link I proved itt regarding the word Harpazo, it mirrors my beliefs and will clear up your confusion.
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Souls who didn't follow Satan in the first earth age.
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Thread: THERE WILL BE NO PRE TRIB RAPTURE..here is why..IF you have the guts to read it.

Thread: After the Tribulation: Revisited - NO Pre-Trib Rapture - KJV Bible Study Christian Theology

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