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Matthew 24:24 Whom are the elect?

 
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What if the elect are those that you truly elect to survive? If there was a seat out of here I would gladly give it to my child. I would 'elect' her....
Thus only those that are truly loved and cherished get saved.
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7 For nation shall rise against nation, and kingdom against kingdom: and there shall be famines, and pestilences, and earthquakes, in divers places.

these types of events have happened since the beginning of man kind..
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Matthew 24:24 For there shall arise false Christs, and false prophets, and shall shew great signs and wonders; insomuch that, if it were possible, they shall deceive the very elect.

Who do you think the elect are?
 Quoting: Achduke7


hmm
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That does not rule out meeting Christ in the air at his 2nd coming just before He arrives. It is not uncommon to meet your King before He returns.

The resurrection happens just before the harpazo.
 Quoting: Achduke7


What does the "air" mean to ya'll? Considering the times these words were written and to whom they were written to, do you think we would understand differently or convey differently?
 Quoting: Satya Revelations


clouds.

Rev 1:7 Behold, he cometh with clouds; and every eye shall see him, and they [also] which pierced him: and all kindreds of the earth shall wail because of him. Even so, Amen.

Rev 11:12 And they heard a great voice from heaven saying unto them, Come up hither. And they ascended up to heaven in a cloud; and their enemies beheld them.
1Th 4:17 Then we which are alive [and] remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord.
 Quoting: Achduke7


I'm ordering an interlinear Aramaic bible version.. it will be interesting to see what the words really say.
 Quoting: Satya Revelations


Also Matthew 24, Mark 13 and Luke 21 are all the same event as the harpazo of 1 Th 14:17.

Matthew 24:30 And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tr!bes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory. 31 And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.

Mark 13:26 And then shall they see the Son of man coming in the clouds with great power and glory. 27 And then shall he send his angels, and shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from the uttermost part of the earth to the uttermost part of heaven.

Luke 21:27 And then shall they see the Son of man coming in a cloud with power and great glory. 28 And when these things begin to come to pass, then look up, and lift up your heads; for your redemption draweth nigh.
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7 For nation shall rise against nation, and kingdom against kingdom: and there shall be famines, and pestilences, and earthquakes, in divers places.

these types of events have happened since the beginning of man kind..
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 81032710


Nation against nation in the whole world did not happen until WWI.
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Actually it is not. Twisting scripture it saying that christ comes back twice.
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Never said he came back “twice”, he only comes back once and that is at the end of the tribulation, pretty clear on that. You’re misconstruing scripture with convoluted interpretation. There is a rapture and I linked an article in this very thread defining this to perfection regarding the word Harpazo and it’s usage within text before the translation of the AKJV. It’s obvious you don’t want to learn, rare people do. They know it all.
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What does rapture mean to you other then being caught up in the clouds?
 Quoting: Achduke7

Folllow and Read the free link I proved itt regarding the word Harpazo, it mirrors my beliefs and will clear up your confusion.
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Where is this link? It is hard to follow AC posts. You should register for a free membership.
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Some of the Elect have actually been shown they are of the Elect. Its not something they can just tell others because then your either going to be looked at like a nut or yer opening yourself up to being off'd. There really is a vendetta by the evil one to do whatever he can to afflict.
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What does the "air" mean to ya'll? Considering the times these words were written and to whom they were written to, do you think we would understand differently or convey differently?
 Quoting: Satya Revelations


clouds.

Rev 1:7 Behold, he cometh with clouds; and every eye shall see him, and they [also] which pierced him: and all kindreds of the earth shall wail because of him. Even so, Amen.

Rev 11:12 And they heard a great voice from heaven saying unto them, Come up hither. And they ascended up to heaven in a cloud; and their enemies beheld them.
1Th 4:17 Then we which are alive [and] remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord.
 Quoting: Achduke7


I'm ordering an interlinear Aramaic bible version.. it will be interesting to see what the words really say.
 Quoting: Satya Revelations


Also Matthew 24, Mark 13 and Luke 21 are all the same event as the harpazo of 1 Th 14:17.

Matthew 24:30 And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tr!bes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory. 31 And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.

Mark 13:26 And then shall they see the Son of man coming in the clouds with great power and glory. 27 And then shall he send his angels, and shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from the uttermost part of the earth to the uttermost part of heaven.

Luke 21:27 And then shall they see the Son of man coming in a cloud with power and great glory. 28 And when these things begin to come to pass, then look up, and lift up your heads; for your redemption draweth nigh.
 Quoting: Achduke7


thank you....... have to wait a few days til I can order.... then it will be some time for me to study this. Hope to be back for anyone who has an open mind.

hf
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NONSENSE.

Did ALL those things happen during the Apostles lifetimes?

Absolutely NOT.

It's also possible that Jesus didn't know ALL the details of the End Times - proof of which is that 60+ years later God gave Jesus The Revelation.

Matthew 24 verse is specific about 'end of the world'.

Matthew 24:3 And as he sat upon the mount of Olives, the disciples came unto him privately, saying, Tell us, when shall these things be? and what shall be the sign of thy coming, and of the end of the world?
 Quoting: Servant-of-the-LORD


but i am not interested what rapture, millenialists think.
im interested in what christians believe.

3As Jesus was sitting on the Mount of Olives, the disciples came to him privately. “Tell us,” they said, “when will this happen, and what will be the sign of your coming and of the end of the age?” New International Verson

clearly age are you using the false King James Bible?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 81032710

Strongs Concordance about 'generation' Matthew 24:34

"the whole multitude of men living at the same time"

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Matthew 24:3 'world' you're using a scriptural variant.

Dispensationalism is just plain WRONG.

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This happens before the Rapture.
We'ere not even close to it happening.

2 Thessalonians 2

3 Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition;

4 Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God.
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This happens before the Rapture.
We'ere not even close to it happening.

2 Thessalonians 2

3 Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition;

4 Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God.

 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1727791


ohhhhhhhhhh this is absolutely happening now. Has been for a while.
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clouds.

Rev 1:7 Behold, he cometh with clouds; and every eye shall see him, and they [also] which pierced him: and all kindreds of the earth shall wail because of him. Even so, Amen.

Rev 11:12 And they heard a great voice from heaven saying unto them, Come up hither. And they ascended up to heaven in a cloud; and their enemies beheld them.
1Th 4:17 Then we which are alive [and] remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord.
 Quoting: Achduke7


I'm ordering an interlinear Aramaic bible version.. it will be interesting to see what the words really say.
 Quoting: Satya Revelations


Also Matthew 24, Mark 13 and Luke 21 are all the same event as the harpazo of 1 Th 14:17.

Matthew 24:30 And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tr!bes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory. 31 And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.

Mark 13:26 And then shall they see the Son of man coming in the clouds with great power and glory. 27 And then shall he send his angels, and shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from the uttermost part of the earth to the uttermost part of heaven.

Luke 21:27 And then shall they see the Son of man coming in a cloud with power and great glory. 28 And when these things begin to come to pass, then look up, and lift up your heads; for your redemption draweth nigh.
 Quoting: Achduke7


thank you....... have to wait a few days til I can order.... then it will be some time for me to study this. Hope to be back for anyone who has an open mind.

hf
 Quoting: Satya Revelations


I have the AENT bible. I will take a look at these verses. I normally stick with kjv.
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Matthew 24:24 For there shall arise false Christs, and false prophets, and shall shew great signs and wonders; insomuch that, if it were possible, they shall deceive the very elect.

Who do you think the elect are?
 Quoting: Achduke7


The elect are people who believe in Jesus Christ, yet even many of the elect will be deceived by antichrist.

The illuminati satanists will project a false coming of Christ in the sky using satelites and projection, most nasa missions are installing devices for the great deception (project bluebeam). They will bring in world government under the antichrist, and everyone will take him as "the christ" but will in fact be the antichrist. All the infiltrated churches will lead their flock to the beast. Order out of chaos like 33rd degree of freemasonry motto, thr antichrist will appear to bring peace to the coming chaos.
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Notice the corrupted NIV and many other new age bibles added an additional mark in the verse below;

Revelation 14:1

New International Version

The Lamb and the 144,000

14 Then I looked, and there before me was the Lamb, standing on Mount Zion, and with him 144,000 who had his name and his Father’s name written on their foreheads.


The majority text:

Revelation 14:1

King James Version

14 And I looked, and, lo, a Lamb stood on the mount Sion, and with him an hundred forty and four thousand, having his Father's name written in their foreheads.

Deceiving the elect to take the mark of the beast
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This happens before the Rapture.
We'ere not even close to it happening.

2 Thessalonians 2

3 Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition;

4 Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God.

 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1727791

ohhhhhhhhhh this is absolutely happening now. Has been for a while.
 Quoting: Satya Revelations

Not even close.
It's been a trickle so far.
You ain't seen nothin' yet.
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Compare what Paul says to what Jesus says. It's the SAME evevent - the Second Coming.

Thread: After the Tribulation Documentary - NO Pre-Trib Rapture

1. No scripture states that Believers / "the Church" will miss Tribulation.

2. No scripture states that Jesus returns BEFORE "the day of the Lord".

3. No scripture states that Jesus returns MORE than once.

4. No scripture states that Jesus takes "the Church" to heaven for any period of time.

5. No scripture states that Tribulation only happens to the Hebrews.

Jesus clearly states that it will encompase the entire Earth.

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The pre-trib rapture is based on this passage by Paul.

1 Thessalonians 4

15 For this we say unto you by the word of the Lord, that we which are alive and remain unto the coming of the Lord shall not prevent them which are asleep.

16 For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first:

17 Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord.


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Key phrases.

0. "we which are alive and remain"

Those are Believers - including Elect - that weren't killed prior to Jesus' return. Remain from what? The Tribulation. These are the same that Jesus states 'he who overcomes' etc...

1. "THE coming of the Lord". Jesus returns once. No scripture states otherwise.

2. "trump of God". This is the "last trump" that Paul speaks of in 1 Corinthians 15:52. For further reference, see the Seven Trumpets of Revelation. This is echoed in Matthew 24.

3. "caught up together". This is the First Resurrection mentioned in Revelation.

4. "in the clouds". Jesus used the SAME phrase describing His Return.

5. "alive and remain" also matches the words "endureth to the end" (Matthew 10:22) "endure unto the end" (Mark 13:13) and "overcometh" (Revelation 2:26)

6. Jesus returns "after the Tribulation".

Matthew 24:29 Immediately after the tribulation

of those days shall the sun be darkened,
and the moon shall not give her light,
and the stars shall fall from heaven,
and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken:


7. Tribulation is not wrath. Scripture proves this.
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thank you....... have to wait a few days til I can order.... then it will be some time for me to study this. Hope to be back for anyone who has an open mind.

hf
 Quoting: Satya Revelations

I have the AENT bible. I will take a look at these verses. I normally stick with kjv.
 Quoting: Achduke7

AENT isn't that much different than the KJV.
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thank you....... have to wait a few days til I can order.... then it will be some time for me to study this. Hope to be back for anyone who has an open mind.

hf
 Quoting: Satya Revelations

I have the AENT bible. I will take a look at these verses. I normally stick with kjv.
 Quoting: Achduke7

AENT isn't that much different than the KJV.
 Quoting: Servant-of-the-LORD


you have studied it?
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Matthew 24:24 For there shall arise false Christs, and false prophets, and shall shew great signs and wonders; insomuch that, if it were possible, they shall deceive the very elect.

Who do you think the elect are?
 Quoting: Achduke7


The elect are people who believe in Jesus Christ, yet even many of the elect will be deceived by antichrist.

The illuminati satanists will project a false coming of Christ in the sky using satelites and projection, most nasa missions are installing devices for the great deception (project bluebeam). They will bring in world government under the antichrist, and everyone will take him as "the christ" but will in fact be the antichrist. All the infiltrated churches will lead their flock to the beast. Order out of chaos like 33rd degree of freemasonry motto, thr antichrist will appear to bring peace to the coming chaos.
 Quoting: Servant of Yahshua


The elect are not deceived.

Mat 24:24 For there shall arise false Christs, and false prophets, and shall shew great signs and wonders; insomuch that, if [it were] possible, they shall deceive the very elect.
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Matthew 24:24 For there shall arise false Christs, and false prophets, and shall shew great signs and wonders; insomuch that, if it were possible, they shall deceive the very elect.

Who do you think the elect are?
 Quoting: Achduke7


The elect are the chosen. The faithful believers. The ones given to the Son by the Father. The ones that are signed and sealed and will be delivered because it was decided to be so before anything existed. The ones He died for on the cross.
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I have the AENT bible. I will take a look at these verses. I normally stick with kjv.
 Quoting: Achduke7

AENT isn't that much different than the KJV.
 Quoting: Servant-of-the-LORD

you have studied it?
 Quoting: Satya Revelations

I've compared various verses from the KJV to it.

What I would call 'critical' verses.

No difference.
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New Living Translation

For false messiahs and false prophets will rise up and perform great signs and wonders so as to deceive, if possible, even God’s chosen ones.
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I have the AENT bible. I will take a look at these verses. I normally stick with kjv.
 Quoting: Achduke7

AENT isn't that much different than the KJV.
 Quoting: Servant-of-the-LORD

you have studied it?
 Quoting: Satya Revelations

I've compared various verses from the KJV to it.

What I would call 'critical' verses.

No difference.
 Quoting: Servant-of-the-LORD


okies, i'm gonna have a looksie too. Did you find an online version? Because I did, and the one i found was just as you say. But somehow, it didn't set right for me so i'm gonna get a bible written with aramaic letters and study for myself.

I don't like to rely on other people's understandings; we all have our filters in place....
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AENT isn't that much different than the KJV.
 Quoting: Servant-of-the-LORD

you have studied it?
 Quoting: Satya Revelations

I've compared various verses from the KJV to it.

What I would call 'critical' verses.

No difference.
 Quoting: Servant-of-the-LORD

okies, i'm gonna have a looksie too. Did you find an online version? Because I did, and the one i found was just as you say. But somehow, it didn't set right for me so i'm gonna get a bible written with aramaic letters and study for myself.

I don't like to rely on other people's understandings; we all have our filters in place....
 Quoting: Satya Revelations

I bought a PDF of Roth's years ago.

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you have studied it?
 Quoting: Satya Revelations

I've compared various verses from the KJV to it.

What I would call 'critical' verses.

No difference.
 Quoting: Servant-of-the-LORD

okies, i'm gonna have a looksie too. Did you find an online version? Because I did, and the one i found was just as you say. But somehow, it didn't set right for me so i'm gonna get a bible written with aramaic letters and study for myself.

I don't like to rely on other people's understandings; we all have our filters in place....
 Quoting: Satya Revelations

I bought a PDF of Roth's years ago.

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 Quoting: Servant-of-the-LORD


Thank you!

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