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Anonymous Coward User ID: 78261532 United States 05/27/2022 01:57 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I’m hoping to hear some realistic opinions and ideas about gun control, I’m sure there’ll be plenty of cute one liners and good catch phrases during this thread, but I’m hoping in a forum like this one we can have enough good with the bad to hear some ideas that are practical and reasonable to both sides. Quoting: Barnacle Bill As a mid-40s college educated, industrial/blue color manager, father of 2 that has legal weapons of all types, I’m a conservative, Christian, hunter/outdoorsman; I believe in 2A rights, glad we have it for a lot more than “deer hunting”. I’m a fan of CCW and believe it is a privilege, not a right to be able to have a CCW, I support the idea of practical proficiency training and proving your ability to carry concealed (ie training class and practical demonstration to pass. I am not a fan of national registry. I am not a fan of mental red flag laws without judicial action. I am a fan of a limiting purchase of semi-auto rifles to people under 21 (with exception of clearly defined hunting rifle (ie Browing BAR style) and semi auto shotguns (not high capacity AR style shotguns. (I realize the idea of what defines a hunting rifle can be debated forever, but I also think most reasonable 2A supporters understand the difference between a Remington 1100 and a Magpul decked out AR.) I believe a practical gun restriction for those under 21 can be achieved, I realize for every one idea there is a dozen opposing it, some with reasonable thoughts, some off the cuff. My concern is that if responsible gun owners/supporters don’t start this discussion, we are going to get pushed out of it. Thoughts? Murder is illegal. |
Cool_Machine
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 23415018 United States 05/27/2022 02:01 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | How about: Quoting: Coldkidc 1. We talk about where the $450,000 school security budget went? 2. We talk about locking doors 3. We talk about police sitting outside because they're scared they don't have the equipment to take out an 18 yr old with a rifle when every single one of them is wearing a vest & has a handgun & a rifle or shotgun in their cars 4. We talk about the fact that he told everybody exactly what he was going to do 6. We talk about the fact that the police didn't respond to the grandmother that called them to tell them he'd shot her 7. The fact that they've turned our schools into a soft target where a gunman can almost be assured they wont be met with resistance 8. We discuss how there is no law that will ever be passed that would stop this kid from doing this because he doesn't give a f*ck about existing laws It wasn't legal for him to enter the school with a firearm It's wasn't legal for him to commit murder It wasn't legal for him to buy a firearm since he lived with a felon It wasn't legal for him to shoot his grandmother in the face It wasn't legal for him to crash his car & abandon it There's a TON more to talk about then jumping to gun control |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 82357180 United States 05/27/2022 02:06 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I’m hoping to hear some realistic opinions and ideas about gun control, I’m sure there’ll be plenty of cute one liners and good catch phrases during this thread, but I’m hoping in a forum like this one we can have enough good with the bad to hear some ideas that are practical and reasonable to both sides. Quoting: Barnacle Bill As a mid-40s college educated, industrial/blue color manager, father of 2 that has legal weapons of all types, I’m a conservative, Christian, hunter/outdoorsman; I believe in 2A rights, glad we have it for a lot more than “deer hunting”. I’m a fan of CCW and believe it is a privilege, not a right to be able to have a CCW, I support the idea of practical proficiency training and proving your ability to carry concealed (ie training class and practical demonstration to pass. I am not a fan of national registry. I am not a fan of mental red flag laws without judicial action. I am a fan of a limiting purchase of semi-auto rifles to people under 21 (with exception of clearly defined hunting rifle (ie Browing BAR style) and semi auto shotguns (not high capacity AR style shotguns. (I realize the idea of what defines a hunting rifle can be debated forever, but I also think most reasonable 2A supporters understand the difference between a Remington 1100 and a Magpul decked out AR.) I believe a practical gun restriction for those under 21 can be achieved, I realize for every one idea there is a dozen opposing it, some with reasonable thoughts, some off the cuff. My concern is that if responsible gun owners/supporters don’t start this discussion, we are going to get pushed out of it. Thoughts? Here are some thoughts. You, like many well-meaning compromisers, make the mistake of allowing these commies to move the line in the sand over and over. You really think it was inadequate gun laws that allowed this mind-controlled pawn to commit this crime? Right on cue you are here to discuss how conservative you are and how you have guns and how we need more gun control laws to appease the libtards so we can be in their discussion of removing the 2A. NO! |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 83396731 United States 05/27/2022 02:16 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I’m hoping to hear some realistic opinions and ideas about gun control, I’m sure there’ll be plenty of cute one liners and good catch phrases during this thread, but I’m hoping in a forum like this one we can have enough good with the bad to hear some ideas that are practical and reasonable to both sides. Quoting: Barnacle Bill As a mid-40s college educated, industrial/blue color manager, father of 2 that has legal weapons of all types, I’m a conservative, Christian, hunter/outdoorsman; I believe in 2A rights, glad we have it for a lot more than “deer hunting”. I’m a fan of CCW and believe it is a privilege, not a right to be able to have a CCW, I support the idea of practical proficiency training and proving your ability to carry concealed (ie training class and practical demonstration to pass. I am not a fan of national registry. I am not a fan of mental red flag laws without judicial action. I am a fan of a limiting purchase of semi-auto rifles to people under 21 (with exception of clearly defined hunting rifle (ie Browing BAR style) and semi auto shotguns (not high capacity AR style shotguns. (I realize the idea of what defines a hunting rifle can be debated forever, but I also think most reasonable 2A supporters understand the difference between a Remington 1100 and a Magpul decked out AR.) I believe a practical gun restriction for those under 21 can be achieved, I realize for every one idea there is a dozen opposing it, some with reasonable thoughts, some off the cuff. My concern is that if responsible gun owners/supporters don’t start this discussion, we are going to get pushed out of it. Thoughts? "Shall not be infringed" is pretty absolute. The founders did not place any restriction whatsoever in the Constitution on whether someone can keep and bear arms. The 2A exists to protect all of the rest of the bill of rights. Without the 2A, kiss all the rest of it goodbye. It is an insurance policy against what they know happens to all free societies. A government that turns against the people. They were scholars, deeply knowledgeable of all concoctions of government in man's thousands of years of existence. They chose a representative constitutional republic because that was the least of all evils. The issue these days is the severe decline in mental health of Americans. However, one cannot make that argument against the 2A because the founding fathers certainly had their share of people who were mentally disturbed in the colonial era. Life was orders of magnitude harder back then. They had very different ways of dealing with the insane. In today's America they medicate with psychotropic drugs which makes the problem 10 times worse. Only extrasensory perception can tell if any presently psychologically healthy individual will go crazy in the future. The truth is, NO BACKGROUND CHECK, NO TEST, NO LICENSE, NO ANYTHING is going to be able to do so. We all just have to live with the fact that any one of us can be a perfect upstanding mentally solid individual that might in their lifetime become a raging lunatic. That's life. I would be an advocate of a condition of gun ownership being having to attend a CCW course. Not only does it teach firearms safety, but also basic skills in operating a weapon in certain scenarios. Not a bad rule as a condition of gun ownership. That would not be counter productive to gun ownership, quite the opposite. It would at least lessen the dumbass factor in gun ownership and at least send them on their way to competent marksmanship. The upside, upon background check and completion you can skip the NICS check for 5 years. |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 83445186 United States 05/27/2022 02:21 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I’m hoping to hear some realistic opinions and ideas about gun control, I’m sure there’ll be plenty of cute one liners and good catch phrases during this thread, but I’m hoping in a forum like this one we can have enough good with the bad to hear some ideas that are practical and reasonable to both sides. Quoting: Barnacle Bill As a mid-40s college educated, industrial/blue color manager, father of 2 that has legal weapons of all types, I’m a conservative, Christian, hunter/outdoorsman; I believe in 2A rights, glad we have it for a lot more than “deer hunting”. I’m a fan of CCW and believe it is a privilege, not a right to be able to have a CCW, I support the idea of practical proficiency training and proving your ability to carry concealed (ie training class and practical demonstration to pass. I am not a fan of national registry. I am not a fan of mental red flag laws without judicial action. I am a fan of a limiting purchase of semi-auto rifles to people under 21 (with exception of clearly defined hunting rifle (ie Browing BAR style) and semi auto shotguns (not high capacity AR style shotguns. (I realize the idea of what defines a hunting rifle can be debated forever, but I also think most reasonable 2A supporters understand the difference between a Remington 1100 and a Magpul decked out AR.) I believe a practical gun restriction for those under 21 can be achieved, I realize for every one idea there is a dozen opposing it, some with reasonable thoughts, some off the cuff. My concern is that if responsible gun owners/supporters don’t start this discussion, we are going to get pushed out of it. Thoughts? Here are some thoughts. You, like many well-meaning compromisers, make the mistake of allowing these commies to move the line in the sand over and over. You really think it was inadequate gun laws that allowed this mind-controlled pawn to commit this crime? Right on cue you are here to discuss how conservative you are and how you have guns and how we need more gun control laws to appease the libtards so we can be in their discussion of removing the 2A. NO! You make a mistake assuming that this "seminar" poster is well meaning. |
Jungleboogie
User ID: 83112306 Canada 05/27/2022 02:25 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Biometric guns should be the future so the bad guys cant use them if there set up to only take your fingerprints Quoting: Mr logic Nope won't work. Conservatives are already considered by Democrats to be domestic terrorists and are pushing the alphabet agencies to think the same way. Embrace the cognitive dissonance. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 83445186 United States 05/27/2022 02:26 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I wonder if those people over there at the WEF and in the UN might have an interest in causing or faking these mass shooting events, and the ridiculous, subsequent media coverage and "seminar" posters out trying to gauge and then mold public opinion regarding a fundamental right that protects people from global communists. They are hoping to put to use data collected during their manufactured covid crisis, applying it to further repress people with an attempt to disarm. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 80880620 Iceland 05/27/2022 02:26 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I’m hoping to hear some realistic opinions and ideas about gun control, I’m sure there’ll be plenty of cute one liners and good catch phrases during this thread, but I’m hoping in a forum like this one we can have enough good with the bad to hear some ideas that are practical and reasonable to both sides. Quoting: Barnacle Bill As a mid-40s college educated, industrial/blue color manager, father of 2 that has legal weapons of all types, I’m a conservative, Christian, hunter/outdoorsman; I believe in 2A rights, glad we have it for a lot more than “deer hunting”. I’m a fan of CCW and believe it is a privilege, not a right to be able to have a CCW, I support the idea of practical proficiency training and proving your ability to carry concealed (ie training class and practical demonstration to pass. I am not a fan of national registry. I am not a fan of mental red flag laws without judicial action. I am a fan of a limiting purchase of semi-auto rifles to people under 21 (with exception of clearly defined hunting rifle (ie Browing BAR style) and semi auto shotguns (not high capacity AR style shotguns. (I realize the idea of what defines a hunting rifle can be debated forever, but I also think most reasonable 2A supporters understand the difference between a Remington 1100 and a Magpul decked out AR.) I believe a practical gun restriction for those under 21 can be achieved, I realize for every one idea there is a dozen opposing it, some with reasonable thoughts, some off the cuff. My concern is that if responsible gun owners/supporters don’t start this discussion, we are going to get pushed out of it. Thoughts? It’s very simple. You charge the police and any others whose public duty is to protect for “failure to protect” and then those penalties get tripled when they prevent others (parents) from doing so. Problem solved. Mass shooter no longer has free reign while the police stand by and do nothing except prevent others from going in. |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 83108223 United States 05/27/2022 02:30 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I’m hoping to hear some realistic opinions and ideas about gun control, I’m sure there’ll be plenty of cute one liners and good catch phrases during this thread, but I’m hoping in a forum like this one we can have enough good with the bad to hear some ideas that are practical and reasonable to both sides. Quoting: Barnacle Bill As a mid-40s college educated, industrial/blue color manager, father of 2 that has legal weapons of all types, I’m a conservative, Christian, hunter/outdoorsman; I believe in 2A rights, glad we have it for a lot more than “deer hunting”. I’m a fan of CCW and believe it is a privilege, not a right to be able to have a CCW, I support the idea of practical proficiency training and proving your ability to carry concealed (ie training class and practical demonstration to pass. I am not a fan of national registry. I am not a fan of mental red flag laws without judicial action. I am a fan of a limiting purchase of semi-auto rifles to people under 21 (with exception of clearly defined hunting rifle (ie Browing BAR style) and semi auto shotguns (not high capacity AR style shotguns. (I realize the idea of what defines a hunting rifle can be debated forever, but I also think most reasonable 2A supporters understand the difference between a Remington 1100 and a Magpul decked out AR.) I believe a practical gun restriction for those under 21 can be achieved, I realize for every one idea there is a dozen opposing it, some with reasonable thoughts, some off the cuff. My concern is that if responsible gun owners/supporters don’t start this discussion, we are going to get pushed out of it. Thoughts? It’s very simple. You charge the police and any others whose public duty is to protect for “failure to protect” and then those penalties get tripled when they prevent others (parents) from doing so. Problem solved. Mass shooter no longer has free reign while the police stand by and do nothing except prevent others from going in. Even with the extreme cowardice of the police, the event happened. There is nothing anyone, even God himself, can do to prevent someone from doing something fucking crazy. |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 77786180 United States 05/27/2022 02:34 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Clearly a shill trying to influence opinion here, but anyways... The solution is the same as it has always been. Arm everyone. Literally. The few idiots that would do this shit will be removed from the population quickly. An armed society is a polite society. Street fights don't happen, because you would get shot in self defense. Muggings wouldn't happen, same reason. But again, that will never happen because solutions are not the goal. The goal is step-by-step taking away the second amendment. |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 80880620 Iceland 05/27/2022 02:41 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Clearly a shill trying to influence opinion here, but anyways... Quoting: Anonymous Coward 77786180 The solution is the same as it has always been. Arm everyone. Literally. The few idiots that would do this shit will be removed from the population quickly. An armed society is a polite society. Street fights don't happen, because you would get shot in self defense. Muggings wouldn't happen, same reason. But again, that will never happen because solutions are not the goal. The goal is step-by-step taking away the second amendment. Does the Second Amendment apply to magic wands? Funny that JK Rowling, A leftist, imagined a world (that everyone loves) where 11 year olds all carried lethal weapons at school. Interesting thought experiment: Could a school shooting rampage ever happen at Hogwarts, where all the students and teachers are armed? What would be the fate of a random school shooter that tried? |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 83396731 United States 05/27/2022 02:47 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I’m hoping to hear some realistic opinions and ideas about gun control, I’m sure there’ll be plenty of cute one liners and good catch phrases during this thread, but I’m hoping in a forum like this one we can have enough good with the bad to hear some ideas that are practical and reasonable to both sides. Quoting: Barnacle Bill As a mid-40s college educated, industrial/blue color manager, father of 2 that has legal weapons of all types, I’m a conservative, Christian, hunter/outdoorsman; I believe in 2A rights, glad we have it for a lot more than “deer hunting”. I’m a fan of CCW and believe it is a privilege, not a right to be able to have a CCW, I support the idea of practical proficiency training and proving your ability to carry concealed (ie training class and practical demonstration to pass. I am not a fan of national registry. I am not a fan of mental red flag laws without judicial action. I am a fan of a limiting purchase of semi-auto rifles to people under 21 (with exception of clearly defined hunting rifle (ie Browing BAR style) and semi auto shotguns (not high capacity AR style shotguns. (I realize the idea of what defines a hunting rifle can be debated forever, but I also think most reasonable 2A supporters understand the difference between a Remington 1100 and a Magpul decked out AR.) I believe a practical gun restriction for those under 21 can be achieved, I realize for every one idea there is a dozen opposing it, some with reasonable thoughts, some off the cuff. My concern is that if responsible gun owners/supporters don’t start this discussion, we are going to get pushed out of it. Thoughts? "Shall not be infringed" is pretty absolute. The founders did not place any restriction whatsoever in the Constitution on whether someone can keep and bear arms. The 2A exists to protect all of the rest of the bill of rights. Without the 2A, kiss all the rest of it goodbye. It is an insurance policy against what they know happens to all free societies. A government that turns against the people. They were scholars, deeply knowledgeable of all concoctions of government in man's thousands of years of existence. They chose a representative constitutional republic because that was the least of all evils. The issue these days is the severe decline in mental health of Americans. However, one cannot make that argument against the 2A because the founding fathers certainly had their share of people who were mentally disturbed in the colonial era. Life was orders of magnitude harder back then. They had very different ways of dealing with the insane. In today's America they medicate with psychotropic drugs which makes the problem 10 times worse. Only extrasensory perception can tell if any presently psychologically healthy individual will go crazy in the future. The truth is, NO BACKGROUND CHECK, NO TEST, NO LICENSE, NO ANYTHING is going to be able to do so. We all just have to live with the fact that any one of us can be a perfect upstanding mentally solid individual that might in their lifetime become a raging lunatic. That's life. I would be an advocate of a condition of gun ownership being having to attend a CCW course. Not only does it teach firearms safety, but also basic skills in operating a weapon in certain scenarios. Not a bad rule as a condition of gun ownership. That would not be counter productive to gun ownership, quite the opposite. It would at least lessen the dumbass factor in gun ownership and at least send them on their way to competent marksmanship. The upside, upon background check and completion you can skip the NICS check for 5 years. Also with regard to the founders: Boy, were they right! It took a while, but they knew what would happen. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 76690070 United States 05/27/2022 03:30 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | The DC crowd had better understand that there is no compromise on any option which they can take and shove right up their kiesters. OP is NOT a 2A supporter in anyway shape or form. SHALL NOT BE INFRINGED is so easy a 9 yr old know what it means. |
Phillip J. Fry
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J to the 3rd User ID: 82221240 Switzerland 05/27/2022 03:41 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | How about: Quoting: Coldkidc 1. We talk about where the $450,000 school security budget went? 2. We talk about locking doors 3. We talk about police sitting outside because they're scared they don't have the equipment to take out an 18 yr old with a rifle when every single one of them is wearing a vest & has a handgun & a rifle or shotgun in their cars 4. We talk about the fact that he told everybody exactly what he was going to do 6. We talk about the fact that the police didn't respond to the grandmother that called them to tell them he'd shot her 7. The fact that they've turned our schools into a soft target where a gunman can almost be assured they wont be met with resistance 8. We discuss how there is no law that will ever be passed that would stop this kid from doing this because he doesn't give a f*ck about existing laws It wasn't legal for him to enter the school with a firearm It's wasn't legal for him to commit murder It wasn't legal for him to buy a firearm since he lived with a felon It wasn't legal for him to shoot his grandmother in the face It wasn't legal for him to crash his car & abandon it There's a TON more to talk about then jumping to gun control this all great points. cheers . . No clotshot, NEVER! . Mad as hell! . |
Phillip J. Fry
User ID: 74985288 United States 05/27/2022 03:44 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | …”We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness.--That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed, --That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government,… …” a design to reduce them under absolute Despotism, it is their right, it is their duty, to throw off such Government”… [link to www.archives.gov (secure)] Last Edited by Phillip J. Fry on 05/27/2022 03:47 AM . "Don't do anything that affects anything. Unless it turns out you were supposed to do it, in which case for the love of God. Don't not do it!" |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 83050270 United States 05/27/2022 03:45 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I’m hoping to hear some realistic opinions and ideas about gun control, I’m sure there’ll be plenty of cute one liners and good catch phrases during this thread, but I’m hoping in a forum like this one we can have enough good with the bad to hear some ideas that are practical and reasonable to both sides. Quoting: Barnacle Bill As a mid-40s college educated, industrial/blue color manager, father of 2 that has legal weapons of all types, I’m a conservative, Christian, hunter/outdoorsman; I believe in 2A rights, glad we have it for a lot more than “deer hunting”. I’m a fan of CCW and believe it is a privilege, not a right to be able to have a CCW, I support the idea of practical proficiency training and proving your ability to carry concealed (ie training class and practical demonstration to pass. I am not a fan of national registry. I am not a fan of mental red flag laws without judicial action. I am a fan of a limiting purchase of semi-auto rifles to people under 21 (with exception of clearly defined hunting rifle (ie Browing BAR style) and semi auto shotguns (not high capacity AR style shotguns. (I realize the idea of what defines a hunting rifle can be debated forever, but I also think most reasonable 2A supporters understand the difference between a Remington 1100 and a Magpul decked out AR.) I believe a practical gun restriction for those under 21 can be achieved, I realize for every one idea there is a dozen opposing it, some with reasonable thoughts, some off the cuff. My concern is that if responsible gun owners/supporters don’t start this discussion, we are going to get pushed out of it. Thoughts? "Shall not be infringed" is pretty absolute. The founders did not place any restriction whatsoever in the Constitution on whether someone can keep and bear arms. The 2A exists to protect all of the rest of the bill of rights. Without the 2A, kiss all the rest of it goodbye. It is an insurance policy against what they know happens to all free societies. A government that turns against the people. They were scholars, deeply knowledgeable of all concoctions of government in man's thousands of years of existence. They chose a representative constitutional republic because that was the least of all evils. The issue these days is the severe decline in mental health of Americans. However, one cannot make that argument against the 2A because the founding fathers certainly had their share of people who were mentally disturbed in the colonial era. Life was orders of magnitude harder back then. They had very different ways of dealing with the insane. In today's America they medicate with psychotropic drugs which makes the problem 10 times worse. Only extrasensory perception can tell if any presently psychologically healthy individual will go crazy in the future. The truth is, NO BACKGROUND CHECK, NO TEST, NO LICENSE, NO ANYTHING is going to be able to do so. We all just have to live with the fact that any one of us can be a perfect upstanding mentally solid individual that might in their lifetime become a raging lunatic. That's life. I would be an advocate of a condition of gun ownership being having to attend a CCW course. Not only does it teach firearms safety, but also basic skills in operating a weapon in certain scenarios. Not a bad rule as a condition of gun ownership. That would not be counter productive to gun ownership, quite the opposite. It would at least lessen the dumbass factor in gun ownership and at least send them on their way to competent marksmanship. The upside, upon background check and completion you can skip the NICS check for 5 years. Also with regard to the founders: Boy, were they right! It took a while, but they knew what would happen. Gun classes should be taught in school...not an option a must. Same age as puberty...hell they can do gender class at the same time and throw uterus shaped cereals at each other. Talk about a bloodbath. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 83050270 United States 05/27/2022 03:46 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Preamble to the Constitution Quoting: Phillip J. Fry We the People of the United States, in Order to form a more perfect Union, establish Justice, insure domestic Tranquility, provide for the common defense, promote the general Welfare, and secure the Blessings of Liberty to ourselves and our Posterity, do ordain and establish this Constitution for the United States of America. |
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You ain't seen nothing yet! User ID: 81167229 United States 05/27/2022 03:49 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I’m hoping to hear some realistic opinions and ideas about gun control, I’m sure there’ll be plenty of cute one liners and good catch phrases during this thread, but I’m hoping in a forum like this one we can have enough good with the bad to hear some ideas that are practical and reasonable to both sides. Quoting: Barnacle Bill As a mid-40s college educated, industrial/blue color manager, father of 2 that has legal weapons of all types, I’m a conservative, Christian, hunter/outdoorsman; I believe in 2A rights, glad we have it for a lot more than “deer hunting”. I’m a fan of CCW and believe it is a privilege, not a right to be able to have a CCW, I support the idea of practical proficiency training and proving your ability to carry concealed (ie training class and practical demonstration to pass. I am not a fan of national registry. I am not a fan of mental red flag laws without judicial action. I am a fan of a limiting purchase of semi-auto rifles to people under 21 (with exception of clearly defined hunting rifle (ie Browing BAR style) and semi auto shotguns (not high capacity AR style shotguns. (I realize the idea of what defines a hunting rifle can be debated forever, but I also think most reasonable 2A supporters understand the difference between a Remington 1100 and a Magpul decked out AR.) I believe a practical gun restriction for those under 21 can be achieved, I realize for every one idea there is a dozen opposing it, some with reasonable thoughts, some off the cuff. My concern is that if responsible gun owners/supporters don’t start this discussion, we are going to get pushed out of it. Thoughts? This is America. Obeying The Bill of Rights and The Constitution is the only option. One great thing about the U.S.A. is that we don't force anyone to stay. People can go find their greener pastures at will. Kamala Harris is not a Natural Born Citizen. She's illegally running. Used by the Founders... Book I of The Law of Nations, Chapter XIX, § 212 (Joseph Chitty numbering) – “Citizens and natives” reads: 'The citizens are the members of the civil society; bound to this society by certain duties, and subject to its authority, they equally participate in its advantages. The natives, or natural-born citizens, are those born in the country, of parents who are citizens. As the society cannot exist and perpetuate itself otherwise than by the children of the citizens, those children naturally follow the condition of their fathers, and succeed to all their rights.' 1758 Emerich de Vattel Oh' What the Hell, do I look like I want to die in some nursing home one day... America must have 4 new Constitutional Amendments... 1. Drug Tests and Mental Evaluations on all politicians and judges randomly five times per year. 2. Term Limits for Federal politicians and judges. 3. Mental and health standards for Supreme Court Justices and retirement age set. 4. A 'Star Chamber' of elected Natural Born Citizens (no attorney's) to ivestigate, try, and prosecute the politicians and government employee's as they see fit. Mandatory death penalty by public hanging is the merciful sentence for pedos and their associates. Democrats are a WMD, literally. Let Justice Be Done Though The Heavens Fall. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 83108223 United States 05/27/2022 03:53 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I’m hoping to hear some realistic opinions and ideas about gun control, I’m sure there’ll be plenty of cute one liners and good catch phrases during this thread, but I’m hoping in a forum like this one we can have enough good with the bad to hear some ideas that are practical and reasonable to both sides. Quoting: Barnacle Bill As a mid-40s college educated, industrial/blue color manager, father of 2 that has legal weapons of all types, I’m a conservative, Christian, hunter/outdoorsman; I believe in 2A rights, glad we have it for a lot more than “deer hunting”. I’m a fan of CCW and believe it is a privilege, not a right to be able to have a CCW, I support the idea of practical proficiency training and proving your ability to carry concealed (ie training class and practical demonstration to pass. I am not a fan of national registry. I am not a fan of mental red flag laws without judicial action. I am a fan of a limiting purchase of semi-auto rifles to people under 21 (with exception of clearly defined hunting rifle (ie Browing BAR style) and semi auto shotguns (not high capacity AR style shotguns. (I realize the idea of what defines a hunting rifle can be debated forever, but I also think most reasonable 2A supporters understand the difference between a Remington 1100 and a Magpul decked out AR.) I believe a practical gun restriction for those under 21 can be achieved, I realize for every one idea there is a dozen opposing it, some with reasonable thoughts, some off the cuff. My concern is that if responsible gun owners/supporters don’t start this discussion, we are going to get pushed out of it. Thoughts? "Shall not be infringed" is pretty absolute. The founders did not place any restriction whatsoever in the Constitution on whether someone can keep and bear arms. The 2A exists to protect all of the rest of the bill of rights. Without the 2A, kiss all the rest of it goodbye. It is an insurance policy against what they know happens to all free societies. A government that turns against the people. They were scholars, deeply knowledgeable of all concoctions of government in man's thousands of years of existence. They chose a representative constitutional republic because that was the least of all evils. The issue these days is the severe decline in mental health of Americans. However, one cannot make that argument against the 2A because the founding fathers certainly had their share of people who were mentally disturbed in the colonial era. Life was orders of magnitude harder back then. They had very different ways of dealing with the insane. In today's America they medicate with psychotropic drugs which makes the problem 10 times worse. Only extrasensory perception can tell if any presently psychologically healthy individual will go crazy in the future. The truth is, NO BACKGROUND CHECK, NO TEST, NO LICENSE, NO ANYTHING is going to be able to do so. We all just have to live with the fact that any one of us can be a perfect upstanding mentally solid individual that might in their lifetime become a raging lunatic. That's life. I would be an advocate of a condition of gun ownership being having to attend a CCW course. Not only does it teach firearms safety, but also basic skills in operating a weapon in certain scenarios. Not a bad rule as a condition of gun ownership. That would not be counter productive to gun ownership, quite the opposite. It would at least lessen the dumbass factor in gun ownership and at least send them on their way to competent marksmanship. The upside, upon background check and completion you can skip the NICS check for 5 years. Also with regard to the founders: Boy, were they right! It took a while, but they knew what would happen. Gun classes should be taught in school...not an option a must. Same age as puberty...hell they can do gender class at the same time and throw uterus shaped cereals at each other. Talk about a bloodbath. In the 80s it was. Does anyone remember gun club? |