US FIREARM Mental health checks? In Australia, prescription drugs, DUI, accusation of assault, all disqualify you.

That's part of the plan.
Medical marijuana cards disqualify you.
Mj still Illegal under federal law.

Just looking out for you.

Mental illness is not caused my domestic abuse. It's the other way around. Domestic abuse is a behavioral symptom of mental illness, mostly Cluster B.

And, mental illness - brain disruption and disorders - is both genetic and epigenetic (environment). Parents who are unfit to be parents, inclusive of untreated "functional" mental illness, pass genes to children and then disrupt brain development during critical years due to the parent's pathology and inability to raise healthy, well adjusted children into adulthood.

Generation to generation and it all starts with the parents.

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Read all of my posts .. i am not an extremist.. i do not represent any organization..

I am crypto Monk

The digital Robin Hood

Definitely would disqualify you in Australia. Once you have a firearm license system with caveats, everything you do is recorded. Even drink driving will disqualify you in Australia. Or if you have a fight with your Mrs and she even just ACCUSES you of assault, you lose your guns and licence for 20 years..Big problem over here as women often do it to be nasty.

My posts are available.. i am not an extremist

I am crypto monk .. the Digital Robin Hood

I'm dx with PTSD, too, friend.

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Then don’t get a fucking MM card if you want to own firearms

You really believe domestic abuse does not cause mental illness

I am baffled

Should an IQ test be a qualifier for voting? Score in the top 60% and vote, or score in the bottom 40% and don't?

We can cite all the reasons of practicality we like, that seemingly make sense and produce demonstrable benefit.

At the end of the day you have to ask "is it a human right or not?"

If it is, then being a human is the only qualifier you can put on it besides not harming others directly through your actions.

Is self defense a natural human right? Is having a say in your government a right?

If they are, then government should provide as little restriction/infringement as possible around the means of exercising that right.

Our laws and our constitution and the structure of our society are built on the assumption that we are all basically decent people with sometimes competing and sometimes opposed interests. With the exception that there will always be a very few bad apples.

It is not built to accommodate having the incorrigibly criminal nor the mentally imbalanced running around loose terrorizing the rest of us.

You fix the tragedy problem by removing the insane, the incorrigible and the psychopaths from society. This requires that there be institutions to house and manage those individuals.

Somewhere around the late 60's and early 70's there was a movement that got started, which focused on the suffering of the mentally I'll and criminals. So many institutions closed, their denizens set free to roam the earth and impact the lives of the law-abiding and the same. Homelessness soared, crime soared, and general impact to society soared compared to previous levels. The "reform them in prison" movement did not create better men, it created better liars in front of parole boards. The "Give them a prescription and set them free" movement did not create saner and more functional people, it created an explosion in homeless, unemployed people who were tasked with a few seemingly simple daily things to manage, which they couldn't/wouldn't/didn't.... their situation did not improve, but rather degraded. Clearly too much was expected of these people.

The solution is to bring back meaningful prosecution/sentencing and meaningful treatment/housing of those few who cannot function rationally and reasonably like the rest of us.

You rape someone? You should be in jail until you are no longer a threat, and if you do repeat offend it will mean the rest of your life in jail. You kill someone and they prove it beyond doubt, you die. You're irrational and can't reliably follow treatment instructions? Well if you can't care for yourself someone else will have to, and you may or may not like the terms of that arrangement but it is what it is.

People in our society these days are demanding guaranteed happy endings for everybody. Fact is, that's not reality. Some people have deeply rooted problems that will never be solved by all the "positive thinking" and good intentions in the world, and what's being put in place of that magic wand I'd a thin layer of denial painted over a thick strata of "we don't want to think about that", "our taxpayers don't want to shell out for that", and "that's somebody else's problem".

AKA, denial.

So either we face up to some harsh realities and unpleasant truths, and try to do the honorable but uncomfortable thing, or we go on living in denial and start insisting that the best, brightest and most responsible of us get treated exactly the same as the worst of us, the sickest of us, the most pathological of us.

Because living in a free society demands we all be treated alike, but if you have the insane and criminal free to circulate as they are now then you are going to have to restrict everyone to the extent that no one can really be considered free.

Founder John Adam's observed famously that our constitution was designed for upright, moral people to live peaceably and free under. Founder James Madison similarly observed that our Constitution requires “sufficient virtue among men for self-government,” otherwise, “nothing less than the chains of despotism can restrain them from destroying and devouring one another.”

So, take the "bad" people out society or take the freedom. The two are incompatible. If bad people are free then bad things are gonna happen. If bad people are separated from the rest of us then the bad things that do happen will be rare and infrequent aberrations. Or, give up any pretense of protecting freedom and and admit that we are unwilling to make the uncomfortable choices and sacrifices a free society requires, and that Madison's "chains of despotism" are necessary to have a functioning society where the most trustworthy are treated the same as the least trustworthy, i.e., not trusted with any real degree of freedom at all.

You may not represent any organization..but your uniform does.

A smart person can make a zipgun or other improvised munition like Molotov's in just a few minutes. The material to make anything that would take out large numbers of people can be bought at home depot and Lowes.


If the intent is to do evil, a gun is not needed.

My point is that mental health checks ,gun control laws and pandering talking heads will only work if its absolute. The laws that made drugs illegal do not seem to work. Someone always gets by. The ones who want to do bad things will work around the law.

Seriously Mate,

The last fucking thing we wanna do is stern America into Australia...Mate!

I never said you were an extremist......


Ok?

My guy its an avatar and tell me one thing that I said that has made anyone look bad

I am not active duty anymore

What's a mental health check?

Do we lock someone up in an unfamiliar environment for 3 days and interrogate them?

Then? Whats your point?

No obviously you thought of the most absurd scenario..

It is physically and virtually impossible to disarm the population of America

And the government knows this. But there is an issue that needs to be dealt with.

We present the extreme arguments from either side and meet in the middle because even though we have our moments and we are far from perfect.. the United States of America is the greatest country on Earth

Domestic abuse in adulthood does not cause mental illness. It causes trauma and associated anxiety, depression and PTSD and psychological issues...all brain/neuro injuries and conditions that can be effectively treated; it doesn't cause mental illness disorders.

In childhood, "domestic violence", abuse and neglect do cause mental illness - "abnormal" structural, wiring and neurochem brain development that remains a lifetime in most. Genes are turned on and neuro becomes hardwired during critical brain development years, which occurs until age 25 yo.

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So, how do we do it?


"Are you a homicidal maniac?"

"No, Sir."

"Good to go."

You got shell shock retard?

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Ok let me clarify

Childhood domestic abuse

Sort of referring to the school shooter epidemic.. Assuming that all events are organic

Well then lets get realistic.
In some places homosexuality and trans are considered mental illness.

Even in the USA until a few years ago...

The definition of "normal" is a fluid target. Compare the DSM-IV to DSM-I.

And, if person x is considered to have a mental illness, are they to be paid a disability via SSI?
Do you want "crazy people" to vote?
Should the mentally ill be granted the rights of citizenship? You already took the 2A away from them.

Honestly not trying to be argumentative. Just want folks to understand the scope of the matter.

Your flag? you Ukrainian or are you just rooting for that gay porn star, midget .aggot zelenski?

No such animal. A qualified psych evaluation is a fairly lengthy process demanding qualified and experienced professionals. The availability of the latter makes this physically impossible as a requirement for firearms.

Hell, they can't even manage such in high conflict child custody cases to determine mental fitness of parents.

Don't let anyone sell ya on "mental health checks"; it will only be used against the population.

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There's a thing in the upper world...its called a vee pee enn there Mick Dumbdee.

Well speaking from my own experience..whenever I had an issue I sought out medical assistance

So usually if someone goes to the doctor on their own the scenario is going to be more like this…

“Are you a homicidal maniac?”

“Yes, sir.”

.. and lets throw in another variable

Social media. Something needs to be done about red flag social media posts

There have been so many times when these kids social media posts were ignored because there is no current regulation

Mental health is a question on the NICS form already.

Got it.

Criminals never lie. And more government will fix it if they do.