The purpose of the dividing of Adam and Israel in these end times.

20:00 - 33:00 is good too if you like to hear about Joshua and the crown

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Now we have established that Jacob the northern kingdom was a type and shadow of Eve coming forth from Adam. Look at the language in Jeremaih 30 we see it describing "Jacobs trouble" as a type of child birth. Just as God said to the 2nd born Eve "with painful labor will you give birth to children.

God tells the end from the beginning.


Jeremiah 30:

6 Ask ye now, and see whether a man doth travail with child? wherefore do I see every man with his hands on his loins, as a woman in travail, and all faces are turned into paleness?

7 Alas! for that day is great, so that none is like it: it is even the time of Jacob's trouble, but he shall be saved out of it.

So Jacobs trouble is the 2nd born feminines trouble to enter into the promised land.




Just as Adam and Eve were 2 people and were a type and shadow of the northern and southern kingdom of Israel which show judah as Adam and Jacob as Eve. Jacob too will be a single one of the two anointed just as the northern kingdom of jacob is divided from the southern kingdom of Judah.

So being we have 2 anointed with the names of the two kingdoms it would be logical to determine one anointed represents one kingdom and the other anointed represents the other kingdom and these two anointed would possess the traits of their kingdom. You don't want a represtative that can't relate to you or share in your judgements and aflictions.

So jacobs trouble should come to the representative of the kingdom of Jacob before it comes to the actual kingdom of jacob. Jacobs trouble is on the feast of Rosh Hashannah as the feasts of God are called appointements and dress rehearsals...and rosh hashannah is known as the day Adam and Eve were created and the time of jacobs trouble...(hence.."cursed be the day I was born")


The first servant shows up to tell his kingdom of jacob that judgement is coming...this is the elijah servant who shows up "BEFORE" the terrible day of the Lord which is Jacobs trouble the kingdom. As has been established this Jacob/2nd born servant will have already received part of his punishment on rosh hashannah and will be greatly marred...so he will arrive on the following passover and will show what is going to happen to the kingdom of Jacob/the united states....so when a greatly marred person shows up on Passover of some year we can be assured this is Elijah who is promised to arrive before Judement on Jacob which is called the terrible day of the Lord.

Isiah 52:

13 Behold, my servant shall deal prudently, he shall be exalted and extolled, and be very high.

14 As many were astonied at thee; his visage was so marred more than any man, and his form more than the sons of men:

15 So shall he sprinkle many nations; the kings shall shut their mouths at him: for that which had not been told them shall they see; and that which they had not heard shall they consider.


Once this Elijah arrives on passover it will be the beginning of the redemption process of the final 10 years and he will be the rider on the White Horse..the first of the 4 horsemen.


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If you determine your perspective by everyone else’s perspective nothing new will be discovered….seek a new perspective to unlock secrets.





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Congratulations!

Surely you have some comment sword…the mystery you have been searching for is now being unraveled in front of you ……and nothing from you?...If you don't unravel it then it isn't unraveled?...I guess I'm not getting what you aren't seeing. There are 2 anointed not just one anointed...it takes the 2nd anointed to break the clods..divide what you plow...it don't make sense til you divide the plow then it is all clear.





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Now we notice job in this chapter is cursing the day he was born...which in reality job is a representative of the undivided Adam pre-earth as masculine and feminine but the majority of the physical judgement comes on the feminine jacob side of Adam as it is called jacobs trouble. Adam being the masculine Israel side of the two.



The verses that are of interest are the final verses of the chapter as this jacob will realize he is jacob and will know his judgemnt begins on some rosh hahshanna as that is the birthday of the masculine/feminine undivided Israel known as Adam and Eve that job was cursing the day of being born.

so let's look at the verses in Job 3:

23 Why is light given to a man whose way is hid, and whom God hath hedged in?

24 For my sighing cometh before I eat, and my roarings are poured out like the waters.

25 For the thing which I greatly feared is come upon me, and that which I was afraid of is come unto me.

26 I was not in safety, neither had I rest, neither was I quiet; yet trouble came.


To find what jacob the servants trouble would be you would have to look at what the day of the lord is described as and what the judgement of jacob the kingdom will be.

You would have to know what jacob the servant greatly feared and what could greatly mar his physical appearance.

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Psalm 60:7:

Gilead is mine, and Manasseh is mine; Ephraim also is the strength of mine head; Judah is my lawgiver;


David the lawgiver making him Judah:





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Which came first, the chicken or the egg?

What is the timeline?

A jeeewish guy wrote a book that said:

“People with a “why to live” can endure almost anything”. When you get a “why to live” combined with a purpose and a destiny the deal is sealed.


In concentration camps during the Holocaust they would have the prisoners move piles of rocks from one area to another all day long and the next day have them move them back to the same area over and over to give them no hope of a “why to live” or a purpose to live to break their spirit…never lose your “why to live” before your purpose and destiny arrive.



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Notice in genesis 3 God tells Adam and Eve to be fruitful and fill the earth and they completed that as the earth is now full....God then goes on to say "have dominion over everything that moves on earth". Adam and Eve had to be male and female when they first arrived on earth to be able to create offspring to fill the earth. I belive God is going to send these two back to earth in the last days but this time they will be two males but masculine and feminine in spirit. When God told Adam and Eve to have dominion over everything on earth God wanted a 6000 year pause until the earth was full to fulfill the last half of his blessing of have dominion over everthing that moves on earth. Again Eve need not be a physical female as the kingdom is already full. Eve just needs to perform the spiritual feminine duties which is the priestly duties.

As we know Adam was created male and female as there are 2 creation stories in genesis. It wasn't until the creation in the garden that Eve was separated from Adam to create the kingdom. So we have to find a way to make both Adam and Eve an Israel(firstborn son) as Eve originated from the other half of Adam.

As we know messiah ben judah/david and messiah ben joseph are the 2 anointed in the end times. When we look at the blessings of judah and joseph in genesis 49 we see Judah received the 1st born blessing of the sceptre being a son of Leah....then we see that Joseph received the 1st born birthright as a son of jacobs favorite wife Rachael. So 2 sons each receiving a 1st born blessing...one the sceptre on leahs side and the other the birthright on Racheals side. So these two sons could qualify as being 1st born sons one through the blessing and the other through the birthright as the scruptres state in 1 chronicles 5:2...judah is the chief leader but joseph has the birthright.

Keep in mind Israel is a model of Adam and Eve....when separating an Israel....both halves are still Israel...they just need to be reunited. So when we read Jacob "AND" Israel it is really revealing the 2 anointed(2nd born and 1st born just like when the kingdom divided just like when Adam divided) hidden in the scriptures until the end times

So when we get to Isaiah 40's chapters we see it keep stating that Jacob "AND" Israel are the servant. Why does it keep repeating Jacob "AND" Israel that would be redundant. The reason it keeps saying Jacob "AND Israel is because it is showing you two 1st born sons. If we look at the Kingdom of Israel as a model. Israel started out as one just as Adam did. Then it was divided and the 2nd born came forth...the northern kingdom of Israel was known as the Kingdom of Jacob or Kingdom of Joseph or kingdom of Ephraim(all being 2nd born birthright holders) and the southern kingdom was the kingdom of Judah. So this is a model of Adam and Eve the first born and 2nd born....the 2nd born receives the birthright for equal status with a 1st born.

The 2 dominions these two anointed will receive is the 1st born Judah the kingship and the 2nd born Joseph having the birthright will qualify to be high priest during the millennium. So when we read Jacob "And" Israel in Isaiah 40's it is really saying "2nd born and 1st born" referring to Eve and Adam the feminine and masculine spritually.....as the kingship is masculine and the priesthood invloves lighting candles taking care of the temple baking bread etc...the duties of a feminine wife.

Compare Psalm 105 to Isaiah 41 as we know moses was the civil leader and aaron was the high priest....thus showing Israel and Jacob in Isaiah is shown to be the 2nd born jacob who needed the birthright for the name change and 1st born judah who didn't need the birthright for the name change as he was already given the 1st born son blessing.

Psalm 105:26:
He sent Moses his servant; and Aaron whom he had chosen.


Isaiah 41: 8

But thou, Israel, art my servant, Jacob whom I have chosen, the seed of Abraham my friend.

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Let's count the 7 sets of 7 years of Daniel 9:25 to see when the anointed prince is to arrive:


Let's start with Daniel 9:25:

Daniel 9:25
The Voice
25 Know and understand this: from the proclamation of the word to restore and rebuild Jerusalem to the arrival of the Anointed Ruler, there will be 7 weeks of time. For 62 weeks of time the community will be restored, the city rebuilt with broad streets and deep defenses, even through times of trouble.


So the proclamation to restore and rebuild Jerusalem happend on June 7 1967 during the 6 day war where Israel claimed Jerusalem.

Start with June 7 1967 and go to june 7 1974 for your first set of 7. The 2nd set of 7 is not a full set until June 7th of 1981. So anything less than june 7th 1981 is still of the 1st set of 7. If it isn't a full set of 7 then it is still of the former set of the previous 7.

Notice the sets of 7 start and end the set on June 7th as that is when the declartion of daniel 9:25 happened. This means that one set will end and the next set begin in the same year on June 7th

Most would say 2016 was the completion of the 7th set of 7 but you don't get the beginning of the 8th set of 7 until june 7th 2023. June 7 2023 would be a complete 7 sets of 7 and the beginning of the 8th set of 7. Showing the anionted ruler which is Eliah has to arrive before June 7 2023 to still be in the block of 7 sets of 7...anything after june 7 2023 would be into the 8th set of 7

Elijah is to arrive on passover which means the final time period for Elijah to arrive would be during passover in april of 2023 as that is still before june 7 2023



On the chart start counting june 7 1967 and end on june 7 2023 for the correct full set of 7 sevens of daniel 9:25:

Come on sword you are better than just bumps on peoples threads. Your mind can’t work if your eyes can’t see. Step back and pretend you are neither anointed then look at the most logical interpretation of the earthly kingdom dominion holders. Better yet make yourself the “so called”lesser anointed Elijah. Of all the servants and anointed such as Jeremiah serving 40 years….Moses and Aaron 40 years in the desert….upside down crucifixion Peter… sawn in half Isaiah…all just so much more qualified….basically every servant in the Bible outshines a 3 year messenger you make Elijah out to be who is sitting at the left hand of Jesus for eternity. The grand finale of the two anointed and you make one out to be dud….people will be asking the guy on the left of Jesus “what did you do again, I don’t remember you”….lol


Could you sit on Jesus left for eternity for just being a 3 year messenger….that chair would grow rust on it before I ever sat on it ….but you would sit on it if you was a three year messenger when you saw all the other servants walking by it every day?…….heaven rewards what is done with the talents you are given and 3 year messengership don’t equal 40 year desert in anybodies book. A thousand year priesthood outshines a 40 year priesthood.


David sits at the right hand of Jesus for eternity because he was the earthly king for over a millennium……then according to you Elijah the 3 year messenger qualifies to sit at Jesus’ left. That balance is broken. Elijah would be embarrassed to sit there if he had an ounce of common sense. You make him the high priest for over a millennium and you have equaled the balance.

You have to have open eyes before your mind can work correctly. Elijah a 3 year messenger or an over 1000 year high priest?…take yourself out the equation and choose which one you would have sit on Jesus left for eternity. If you say 3 year messenger your balance doesn’t work and you didn’t take yourself out of the equation.



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Adam the masculine sits at Jesus’s right it don’t take much “WISDOM” to see Eve the feminine will sit on the left as she is the other half of the 1st born.

The masculine is incomplete without the feminine...even the HEEEBREW language is made up of masculine and feminine wording if you excluded the masculine or the feminine the language wouldn't make sense just as if you exclude Adam or Eve the plan will be incomplete.





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Waterman, I will answer you just this one more time. Not to justify my understanding but to correct you of your lack of such.

As I have told you more than once you only reason out the Word of God inducing a lack of discerning the right meaning.

Thus, you think as a man thinks and you reason in the direction a fool would seek to understand. It's not I who is blind but you and you are leading many into the same ditch you shall surely stumble into.

God doesn't judge a man according to his years of service as you assume. And thus, according to your reasoning/claim this is His ways of considering such an honorable servitude.

But God looks upon the heart of a man to determine one's state of sacrifice in His service. And even above that motive is even of a higher calling..obedience. These are but a couple of the factors God considers in positioning a man of his kind in his/her final hierarchy. Overcoming an objective or even many in our lives is also of a great consideration in God's agenda.

God's ways of consideration is not a determining factor of man's assessments or even within puny mans calculated manifestations. But they are the depths of God's understanding and within the course of his ways and thoughts. And thus, they are far beyond the knowledge of simple solutions of such things as the accumulation of years of service toward a highly complicated quest.

The Apostle Paul under the inspiration of God's Spirit didn't emphasize the length of service in determining the winner of the race. But what the race objective in Christ was purposed.

3 things you are missing”

1. Adam is an Israel(firstborn son) and when you divide an israel and bring forth the feminine the feminine is still part of the original making 2 Israel’s. The dividing of the israel just separated the masculine and the feminine. As Adam stated she is bone of my bone and flesh of my flesh and the two become one flesh (gen 2:23-24). When they are sent back into the world to have dominion the will be of twin flame spirits as Eve originated in Adam and came forth from Adam. Just as Jesus came forth from the Father and the northern kingdom came forth from the southern kingdom.

2. When the covenant was given to Adam in the garden to be fruitful and multiply did he multiply by himself? Did Adam go through labor with the children to bring forth the kingdom?. Gods covenant is “if you do this He will do that”. So being both Adam and Eve the masculine and the feminine were needed to bring forth the kingdom it is only reasonable to believe that both Adam and Eve are going to share in the second half of the covenant that states Adam and Eve will have dominion over everything that moves on earth. This is possible during the millennium as there are 2 dominions the kingship and the priesthood. We will have 2 kingdoms the earthly davidic/levitic where the two anointed have dominion and the heavenly melchelzedek where Jesus has dominion.

3. The 3rd thing you are missing is when you have a masculine israel he has no need of the birthright as he is already a firstborn son. The birthright given to Adam/Judah would be useless as he would have gained nothing. It would be like God saying to Adam “here is the first born son blessing now you are a firstborn son”. Then God turning to Eve and saying “sorry I ran out of good blessings, here is a messenger blessing…how”s the pregnancy coming along and when you find time make Adam a sandwich.”…lol. God wants his Israel to have dominion over the whole earth. The problem is there are two separate dominions that the law on earth states have to be ran by two separate individuals. How does God resolve this problem? He splits the feminine from the masculine and gives the masculine the Judah sceptre blessing and gives the feminine the Joseph/birthright blessing and transforms the feminine into an israel so God can have two Israel’s having dominion over the whole earth as was intended from the beginning. The birthright given to a 2nd born feminine Eve/Jacob is what transforms the feminine half of Adam into an israel. It’s easy to see Eve in the book she is the one who is referred to as the 2nd born who needs the birthright for the name change to israel. We see this in the names Jacob, Joseph, and ephraim. These all showing 2nd born birthright holders who need the birthright to become an israel. One who possesses the birthright possesses the name Israel. Only 2nd borns need that birthright as 1st borns are the spiritual masculine and are already Israel’s….such as Adam Judah and David as they hold the sceptre 1st born blessing/dominion.


I Can't Say It Enough: Only 2nd borns need the birthright to have equal status with the 1st born. The firstborn masculines blessing is the "SCEPTRE/KINGSHIP" that is the purpose and dominion of the firstborn son. SO we can check off Kingship for dominion of the firstborn masculine son. Now we need to give the 2nd born Eve the birthright in order for her to qualify for dominionship. THat is how you give 2 domninion and properly use "THE BIRTHRIGHT". Not by making Adam a firstborn masculine son and then giving him the 2nd born feminine birthight blessing.....if you do that then you just wasted "THE BIRTHRIGHT BLESSING" as it did nothing to increase an already firstborn son ADAM.





So the 3 things you aren’t comprehending is:

1. When you divide an israel both halves become two separate Israel’s a masculine israel and a feminine israel

2. The dominion covenant was given not only to the masculine half of Adam but also to the feminine half Eve. If Eve doesn’t receive dominion God didn’t uphold his half of the covenant because Eve brought forth the kingdom through labor pains physically in genesis. When Eve returns she will be the 2nd born birthright holder Jacob who needs the birthright for the name change. The spiritual feminine half of Israel will go through what is called “jacobs trouble” to bring forth the spiritual children of the millennial kingdom. As we see jacobs trouble is compared to labor pains Jeremiah 30:8.

3. The 3rd thing you can not see is a 1st born has no use for the birthright….it only works on 2nd born feminine Israel’s to transform them into equal status with the masculine half israel so the feminine can have the feminine dominion of the priesthood on earth during the millennium.



There is one more major obstacle you are having. You try to apply melchelzedek kingdom order on earth. The earth isn’t melchelzedek order it is davidic/levitic. Only Jesus’ kingdom in heaven is melchelzedek order….Jesus will always be higher in throne than the 2 anointed.


Thanks for the post…haven’t heard from you in a bit. Still confident on the 10 more year timeline? Things seem to be ramping up. Jimmy carter will be 98 in October and I lean toward him being one of the “5 are fallen” kings of revelation 17:10. We got Biden/ahab and Harris/jezzebel just waiting for Elijah to arrive before joe steps down and Harris takes the reigns for a short space until Obama comes back.

Any thought on that Daniel 9:25 prophecy of the 7 sets of 7 deadline being up on June 7 2023 for the anointed prince to arrive before that date? If this anointed prince who I believe is Elijah is to arrive before June 7 2023 it would be in april during passover and he should arrive greatly "marred" so If Jacobs(the servant) trouble is on rosh Hashannah we would know if this prince is going to be marred on the rosh hashannah prior to the next passover. So we would have a 6 month prior warning to when Elijah the prince will arrive on the world stage as the rider on the white horse......I guess we will find out within your 10 year time limit which rosh hashannah jacob(the servants) trouble will come as I believe Jacob the servants trouble comes 1 year before jacob the kingdoms trouble comes.

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I told you beforehand I am done discussing these theorize speculations with you. You have no proof you are who you claim to be. Neither no confirmation of that claim or any witnesses to verify what your imagination of your calculated self-interpretation of scriptures are relaying concerning the future scriptural prophesies of any certain event.

You claim I am missing three things. Perhaps you are right perhaps you're not. At least I acknowledge my shortcomings. You on the other-hand acknowledge only that your opinionated observance is right because you say so. And yes a few others agree with the interpreted meaning of what certain scriptural passages are stating. Or should I say as you agree with a few others in their observation. For as long as I have known you (all of your life), I have never found that you have had an original thought of your own worth considering its importance.

I know for a fact that any thought of yours that could be consider scriptural you stole from much of my tutelage. Oh but you call it gleaming the fields I believe. Like Ruth a widow women whose example was excusable and even lawful in the eyes of scripture.

But thievery from a grown man to take from others belonging without permission is still thief if credit for that belief is not acknowledge as an others if asked where you learned this or that. And I make no claim of the importance of what I sought to teach you in what I found in scriptural understanding. For its gain is all through the Lord's revealing. But we need to acknowledge the one who reveals any truth nonetheless, just to justify our own good character. Sorry, I wish not to be mean about it, but as I say that is my observation.

Nevertheless, as I once told you prophecy must follow the paradigm of its happening in full. And prophecy concerning the individual, especially the individual, must come before the happening manifest for it to be of a truth not the individual following after the prophecies.

There is a verse in scripture that you need to observe and consider. This verse is not only for you but also my dear brother in the Lord Eddie, for he sometimes reads some of my post.

(Heb.5:14KJV) But strong meat belongs to them who are of a full age, even those who by reason of use have their (spiritual) sense exercised to discern both good and evil.

In other words: the stronger portions of the Word are meant to be understood in the comprehension aspect of the spiritual concept through the mature believer, the tried and chastened individual. Those individuals who seek the deeper meanings of the many mysteries of God by the only means possible that is studying the Word, its purposed depths of its present, past and future revealings.

So (this is for Eddie), in one of its concepts it means hear the whole message before you even consider condemning the messenger. Thus, has many lost their prospects of a deeper sanctification from the bondage of this world by not hearing the full message.

Thus, did the Israelite when they sought to stone Moses because they thought his approach was of an evil doing. Because they didn't understand in their lack of maturity the ways of God to bring unto Himself even greater glory. For His purpose was not to allow them to die of thrust but to open the rock for their provision. Neither did He desire to starve them unto death but to feed them manna from heaven.

But they refused to allow the whole picture to display its own meaning before they distorted its purposed objective. So also did Naaman refusing to listen to Elisha instructions for he thought the approach was wrong, not even appearing before him, how rude Naaman assumed. But he came to his senses in time.

Waterman, thank you for allowing me this portion of my post, on your thread, to address Eddie. I know how much you are concern for his well-being. For you often ask about him. You of course will be disappointed to hear that Eddie no longer desires to communicate with me but nevertheless I still have you who desires to communicate continually..lol.

Waterman, concerning your or someone else's speculations of the Adam Eve theory. It bypasses the necessity of Eve's continual need in God future paradigm for it has already been accomplished. Thus, in the form as Eve being the Mother of nations, and thus the populace now seen upon the Earth. And if she has any further objectives that portion shall be fulfilled in her future generational offspring.

Nevertheless, Eve's mission is complete and accomplished when she passed on. Even as most of God's servants completed their objectives in the course of their lives and went on to their respite. As far as any future speculation of her possessing the earth and having dominance over it. She is satisfied in the progeny of her offspring fulfilling that promise.

As far as your other speculations go they are just that speculations. Biden is not symbolic of Ahab or Harris of Jezebel or Obama returning to his office. And the fifth ruler is not about the United States but it's about Russia and that 5th ruler has long since died (Rev.17KJV).

These are again nothing more than your imagining of your self-inflated thoughts, of your self-glorifying your position, of your self-speculation, that you are that symbolic Elijah that saves the day. You are not, they are not, and it isn't going to happen. All three (Biden, Harris, and Obama) will hardly be remembered before the Elijah event will happen some yrs. from now.

Concerning the Melchizedek argument I discussed this with you in our email exchange more than once. Thus, revealing the office of both priesthood and royal ruler-ship in but one man the prince of/in Israel (Ezek.44-48KJV).

As far as the anointed prince returning on the 6/7/23 that date will pass without his appearing. As so many of your date settings failed to appear. And when he does appear regardless of speculation by many it is not whom men believe.

For that anointed prince shall be the "roaring lion chased out of the wood" (2 Esdras.11:37-46KJV), (2 Esdras.12:31-34KJV). And no waterman you are not that anointed prince. For he is called a prince because he is the (spiritual) son of a king (2 Esdras.13:52) but even today that daytime approaches. Nether is it Jesus for a king of which Jesus is could never be relegated to the lower position of a prince.

Waterman, as always you are regurgitating the words of other speculators who only study small portions/passages of scriptural insights to gain recognition. But dare not study the Word for personal gratification toward the glorification of the recognition of God's revealings of His purposed objectives.

The ten year time line you spoke of concerning what was shown me is not the end but the beginning of the end. And I told you this in confidentiality. But then again you hold things such as trust, loyalty and good regards in low esteem, so I should have expected such.

Now please cease from addressing me any longer as you do by the calling me into play by the word (sword). I don't appreciate contentions and my spirit hasn't a taste for such things. So as I have said before waterman believe as you will but don't get me involved. So far the ground on my territory claims seems sound and void of any ditches
observed thus far.

PS. Repent not for your beliefs, but for your hubris attitude of claims of your self importance and prideful displays of whom you claim to be. There is no shame in a contrite and humble spirit. But pride is dangerous in that it often keeps us from repentance in many needs unrecognized.

Sorry to hear "Eddie" who you shared bread with has lifted his heel against you, I had a guy do that to me once you might know him...lol, but did either of us really think he was going to hang around very long once you began revealing things to hard for him to believe? For someone to believe even half of what you could deliver they would have to be related and most likely lived in your house growing up...they would have to understand your back story and your personality. They would have to know who they themselves were, what position they held, and how a judah would treat a Joseph in order to have the patience to endure years of discouragement and vexing just as it is written in the scriptures how a judah would treat an ephraim...you followed it to a tee...lol..and most people don't have the patience or the understanding to know the relationship of the two anointed. The world looks for the two annointed to be best buddies...them against the world. These two anointed are a Judah and an Joseph/Ephraim of course they aren't going to get along just look at the two kingdoms of Judah and Ephraim even after 2500 hundered years of division, vexing and rivlary they still can't unite...you think the two anointed are going to be besties right from the beginning til the reunitication of the two kingdoms.....When the 2nd anointed was learning what the 1st anointed plowed everyting was perfect....but then the 2nd born learned who he was and shared that with the 1st born who was promised not to be able to see the 2nd born til the fulness of the gentiles and the relationship crumbled just as God intended zech 11:14:Then I cut in pieces my second staff Union, to break the brotherhood between Judah and Israel so that the feminine wouldn't be dependant on the other anointed...like a baby bird being thrown from the nest......but you will see that later when the fulness of the gentiles comes in.

You continually for some unknown reason keep thinking the 2nd born birthright holder half of the two anointed is supposed to be plowing some great new understanding as you keep saying "I taught you this and I taught you that" of course you did but I correctly divided what you plowed....the 2nd born doesn't plow he breaks what you plow into two dominions. So when I see you state something correct I am able to divide it and show you which half of the inheritance is yours and which is mine....you just don't seem as thrilled as me when I share what is my inheitance.



Now you speak for Eve also and know what Eve desires of the dominion promised to her to be distributed to others? I could use the same words and say if "Adam has any further objectives that portion shall be fulfilled in his future generational offspring" because when God makes a covenant with 2 people he really means their children not the ones he really made the covenant with...is that how it works? If the masculine Israel Adam is coming back then rest assured God will send the feminine Israel Eve also to fulfill his unbreakable covenant.

P.S

You mistake my confidence for pride. The promise of my covenant is what is going to add to my confidence of surviving the time of Jacobs trouble..so you don't see pride..you see confidence and mistake it for pride...because when God makes a coveant he can't break it.

I’ve heard it said if two men want the same thing they either share it or become enemies…..if you see the earthly dominion as melchelzedek then you will become an enemy of the other anointed. If you see the earthly dominion as davidic/levitic you will share the offices…..guess which one you are?

No Darren the wood walker…no Eddie the book enthusiast only me who stays no matter what you say or do for 5 years for 10 years for over 25 years…gonna keep waiting for someone new who will leave you in a couple months like all the others relationships?….how hard are you up for not liking me? Only the masculine half of Adam is blind to seeing his partner and I’m not the masculine half you are.


Maybe you will find a two week relationship that suits you better ….good luck on that one.

If it was up to me I’d look for that two week relationship guy too as your blindness has made you very unpleasant.



Last Edited by waterman on 07/10/2022 11:30 PM

There is no unpleasantness in me. It may only seem that way in your conception of another one of your imaginings. It may sound that way waterman (unpleasant) if you discover someone doesn't conform to your interpreted imaginings that doesn't even line up with scripture.

I will say this however I am somewhat angry (Eph.4:26KJV) with the way you seek to twist God's Word to squeeze yourself into a position never meant for you. For you have never had a confirmation from man, spirit, or God. You simply seek to usurp a position never given, never offered, or even sold for a morsel of stewed brew. You claim it is I who seeks a position that you claim I want so very bad. I am between a rock and a hard place.

For God knows my heart and my ambitions. He well knows I sought no openings on His agenda that He cane to me as you well know and more then once; and I applied for no application to review such an offer. If I was offered a lesser placement in my service to God and my fellows I would accept it. For I fear the calling He has called me into. And so should ever man/women and child who might receive a position whether it be higher or lower. For if we would truly acknowledge ourselves we are a poor substitute in the service of God's great command. If I didn't know better I would assume God doesn't know everything about me that he should know. There is no good thing that dwells in me. Paul said it but I mean it.

If it were not for Christ working in me I would hide myself within a hole of some sought out contentment; but woe to me its purpose has already kindled my curiosity.

Listen you're partially right, the first born is/was the one who plowed the Word. That we may seek out the goodness of the soil and what good provisions it's capable of producing.

But it was/is not your concept of the first born it speaks of. For the first born is Jesus Christ. And he plowed the ground that we might behold the truth of God's promises. The second born Joseph will break up the clods. Thus, in so doing he has a goal. That many men of God would do exploits toward the glorification of the Father. And uplift the name of Jesus to gather in the lost sheep for the kingdom's higher purpose. And that the knowledge of the glory of the Lord should fill the earth as the waters cover the sea (Hab.2:14KJV)

Thus, shall the symbolic Joseph and the symbolic Elijah join forces as the two witnesses of (Rev.11KJV). Not the first born and the second born, but the second born Joseph (crown of the head), and the prophet Gad (Elijah). As it clearly states in (Gen.49:26KJV), (Deut.33:20KJV). Nothing complicated about this unless one seeks to hide it.

The scriptures disagree that you are a 2nd born as David is from the line of Judah and that isn't the birthright line therefore David isn't a 2nd born he is from the firstborn sceptre line of Judah:

Psalm 89:20 ,27 NASB

20 “I have found David My servant;With My holy oil I have anointed him,27 “I also shall make him My firstborn, The highest of the kings of the earth.



If you was the 2nd born you would be able to see the other anointed and you see only yourself.

Last Edited by waterman on 07/11/2022 06:41 AM

I see clearly the other anointed it's just not you that I see that irritates you. He/she is a symbolic prophet Elijah as I just discussed in my last post (Duet.33KJV). Now I am finished with these endless discussions bye.

You think you see the other anointed in scripture but where is he in your life. You should have met him by now. Maybe he is taking a nap or had to use the bathroom for a real long time…or he has been right in front of you and communicating with you the whole time you just didn’t recognize him because he wasn’t what you thought he would be….lol. 1st borns can’t see second borns but second borns can see 1st borns

The problem should be easily solved as you stated God hides nothing from you. Ask him where the other anointed is. See if you get an answer before the fullness of the gentiles. Because only Judah is blind to seeing the other anointed til the fullness of the gentiles…

The thing is He already told you who the other anointed is. You just didn’t like the (messenger)2 boats and the helicopter he sent to tell you who the other anointed is.
.Joseph’s always see their brother before his brother sees him.

Last Edited by waterman on 07/11/2022 09:58 AM

This heeebrew year is 5782 which is divisible by 7 making it a shemitah year but it is also divisible by 49 making it a super shmittah year making rosh hashannah 2022/2023 a jubilee year and "the acceptable day of the Lord according to leviticus:

According to Leviticus, the sounding of the trumpet in the acceptable year, Jubilee occurred on the 10th day of the seventh month, on the Day of Atonement. That is the time they proclaimed liberty throughout all the land of Israel to all its inhabitants allowing each one to return to his possession, and each to his family. (Lev. 25:9-10).

Maimonides himself says to avoid literalism, creationism or superficial readings of Genesis, even wrote a text specifically addressing this

Yet, here you are, teaching away

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He did die in 1204 a.d so I suspect he would have a different perspective had he lived after israel came back into the land in 1948 and made the decree to restore and rebuild Jerusalem in 1967.

To watch later…..the rabbis believe an anointed one will come in the year 2022-2023 as it is the jubilee year:

good ole obama...the guy who just never goes away..lol

“Any thought…”

A lot of switchups and 360v365

JtheB came on Passover 6 months before Jesus was born on Tabernacles (true Christmas flesh body is temporary dwelling). He was greatly marred by the time he was 35.

They did an experiement on a rat. They had the rat tread water until he would start to drown. The rat lasted 15 minutes before he began to give up and drown. They removed the rat from the water, dried him off and let him rest. They then put the rat back in the water under the same conditions to see if he would only last 5 or 10 minutes on the second attempt before he would drown..........the 2nd attempt the rat kept treading water and lasted 60 hours before he began to drown. The only thing that was added was the rat had "hope" that he would once again be saved and dried off before he drowned. Hope, It makes the difference.