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Has anybody here tried the Monroe Institute Gateway Experience classes? I'm about 3/4 through the course and wonder how it might be working for anybody else... I figure this is a group which might have an interest in that material.
 Quoting: Lord Schlitz


Strong interest.

I bought the Gateway Experience on CDs.

There is another thread that dove into this, questioning the effectiveness of the material. I contributed heavily to that thread.

Robert Monroe’s tapes (actual tape cassettes) were so effective in using his Hemi-Sync binaural method to astral travel that it caught the attention of the DOD and CIA. Monroe personally trained the CIA to use his techniques. By then, he had already written two books on astral projection:

Journeys Out of the Body
Far Journeys

These books focused on astral travel and the need to learn it so as to escape the loosh energy farm (Monroe is credited as the person that coined the term “loosh”).

But this is where things get murky.

In late 1994, his third book, “Ultimate Journey” was published. However, the writing style of this book is so completely different from his first two books, that immediately following the first chapter, I realized this book was NOT written by Monroe. Moreover, it was a complete departure from astral travel, and instead advocated more for the “earth is a school” concept. Shortly thereafter, Monroe died in March 1995.

In 2003, the CIA released its report of Monroe’s work, and the report also detailed the form and shape of our “reality”. It’s a fascinating read and can be found here:

[link to www.cia.gov (secure)]

These days, the Monroe Institute no longer advertises its astral travel Gateway Experience as its leading product. Instead, they promote “self help” products.

To date, people that bought the CD’s are NOT reporting success in astral travel using them. There are people trying to locate the original tapes to compare against the CDs because the tapes were exceptionally effective in causing astral travel to occur.

I have posted on other threads that I am of the opinion that the CIA co-opted Monroe’s work, changed the Gateway Experience material so it is no longer effective to aid in astral travel, ghost-wrote most of his 3rd book, and then had Monroe killed “naturally”…. all to prevent people from learning to astral travel.

This effectively keeps humans trapped in the loosh energy prison farm.

Now….

You say you’re taking “classes” on the Gateway Experience. Are you in fact participating in an actual class at the institute in Virginia, or are you using the CDs?

Have you found success in astral travel using the CD’s?

.

Last Edited by Zovalex on 06/15/2022 01:11 AM
“Mental slavery is the worst form of slavery.
It gives you the illusion of freedom,
makes you trust, love, and defend your oppressor,
while making an enemy of those
who are trying to free you or open your eyes.”
-Fiyah

“None are more hopelessly enslaved than those who falsely believe they are free.”
-Johann Wolfgang von Goethe

“You have been programmed to resist the very person that is here to set you free, from the prison of your Mind... You are not free... everything you are has been manufactured by Minds that have not your best interest. You are imprisoned by beliefs and not reality. Religions are mental programs to imprison your Mind.”

-SOL
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Please watch this

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True words

But getting out is the hard part

No way they would erase your memory to learn lessons.

That’s like tossing a photo album into the fireplace.
 Quoting: CopyNinja87


I heard the soul trap was removed recently by the Protoi alliance. There are good guys out there. We are free now.
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I've heard the same
 Quoting: Satyarevelations



I've been saying this, because I was shown by guidance of this....we are in a slow and progressive transitioning from this realm. The transitioning happens after we pass.
 Quoting: cosmicgypsy


If one let's go of all that is not them in this life, they can transmute death and be in their true home here and now. Yay!
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Well I for one, would be interested in what you have to say if you would be willing to speak in an informative manner, in such a way as could be understood by imbeciles such as myself, without condescension or belittling. Seems like you have something of significance to share.
 Quoting: Satyarevelations


You are now, of all people, one of those who only waste my time, of whom I have just spoken.

One of those who has already shown extensively that he has no real interest and no need for truth.

If you had real interest and were inwardly ready, you would have immediately realized that the insults cannot be authentic, if what has been said in content is correct.

If you had a longing for the truth, you would have immediately grabbed the pearls, then the stench would not have bothered you. You might not even have noticed it.

For the reason, however, I know that you will not appreciate the pearls either, if I present them to you polished on a golden tray.

And even your second chance to then ask questions about the many statements, each of which proves that what Zovalex and Squirrel spread in disinformation is not only wrong, but can only be wrong, you did not use.

So what should I be able to do for you?

I can only offer you to expose once again the obvious, namely that Zovalex and Squirrel both have nothing to bring forward to the arguments presented, which immediately bring down their entire edifice of thought, but only react with excuses and diversionary maneuvers.

I cannot free you from the ego prison here, but I can show you with very simple means and understandable for everyone how the ego prison works and is constituted.

The work to come into the present and reality and to live your life in complete freedom, in boundless joy and eternal peace, nobody can take from you. You have to walk the path yourself.

By the way, walking the path does not mean that you read something and then suddenly understand everything, but that you do the work very concretely and look and see that the ego is a very big liar and deceiver and that what it claims has nothing to do with what actually happens in the immediate perception and experience.

My offer is, as far as my time allows, to answer you and also the others questions about the essential statements I have made. At least up to the point where it is recognized by you what the obvious reality is outside of the thinking, that is the I. A reality that you only need to look at and perceive and that someone like Zovalex is one who turns the prison into a padded cell.

Alternatively, we could of course invalidate all the bases of his assertions once again - this has already been done, just not noticed by you - by asking him, for example, to show us the "I" that does all the great things he talks about or to show us where his soul is to be found. He will fail at everything. It's all hot air with Zovalex & Co. And it can't be any other way.

But I think it is better to talk about what you are, what your true identity is, and not about what you are not, because in the end that will take care of itself, as if in passing.

The one truth is obvious and it has been passed on for thousands of years in all cultures, on all continents and even in all religions. The error, on the other hand, is boundless. The number of prison lovers and their tales is innumerable.

You are awareness. Pure knowing.
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Ya gotta love this guy.

Satya specifically stated:

if you would be willing to speak in an informative manner,

… without condescension or belittling.
 Quoting: Satyarevelations



How does “Mr Everlasting Love and No Ego” reply?

He bitch slaps Satya FIVE times:


You are now, of all people, one of those who only waste my time, of whom I have just spoken.

One of those who has already shown extensively that he has no real interest and no need for truth.

If you had real interest and were inwardly ready, you would have immediately realized that the insults cannot be authentic, if what has been said in content is correct.

If you had a longing for the truth, you would have immediately grabbed the pearls, then the stench would not have bothered you. You might not even have noticed it.

For the reason, however, I know that you will not appreciate the pearls either, if I present them to you polished on a golden tray.
 Quoting: ELB 73348028



Clearly, Mr. “I have no Ego” has some sick need to make people come crawling to him to beg though….

“Pleeeeeaaaase, All Knowing and Wise One…..
pleeeeeaaaase bestow thy infinite knowledge on thy lowly slave.”

*slap! Smack!*

”You worthless worm! You don’t deserve to stand in the shadow of my divine presence!”

“But pleeeeeaaaase, Your Lordship…. thy lowly slave begs to just have a small sip from they cup of Great Cosmic Wisdom of the Ages… pleeeeaaaase!!”

*Smack! SLAP!*

”Grovel and beg harder, maggot! Satisfy my Egoless Ego with more begging! You are not worthy of cleaning my toilet, much less waste my heavy money-making time explaining the architecture and construct of Consciousness and the Universe!”


His insults are entertaining, though. He truly makes me laugh.

In fact, I’m flattered that he has specifically targeted ME for special bitch-slapping. It means he sees me as a threat to what he perceives as “Truth”, and he feels a responsibility to proscribe my continuing effects to draw his fellow christians away from their Mind-imprisonment of religious doctrine.

Be that as it may, I have a lifetime of learning, study, research, and experience that has brought me to where I stand today. That path necessarily requires that I remain open Minded to ALL schools of thought. Over the years, I have adopted and subsequently discarded bits and pieces of what I learn. I do not outright reject new information…. I CRAVE new information. I apply what I learn to my life, over a period of YEARS, and I gradually let non-Truths fall away organically as Truth bubbles to the surface.

So I am quite happy to take an insult-laden bitch-slapping from Mr. Egoless Ego for the sake of learning something that may well alter my current views. After all, I am a man of reason and logic. Rather than alter my perception of reality to conform to my beliefs, I quickly alter my beliefs to match reality.

That said, let’s take a look at some constructive statements our new guest has so graciously bestowed upon us:

I cannot free you from the ego prison here, but I can show you with very simple means and understandable for everyone how the ego prison works and is constituted.

The work to come into the present and reality and to live your life in complete freedom, in boundless joy and eternal peace, nobody can take from you. You have to walk the path yourself.

By the way, walking the path does not mean that you read something and then suddenly understand everything, but that you do the work very concretely and look and see that the ego is a very big liar and deceiver and that what it claims has nothing to do with what actually happens in the immediate perception and experience.

My offer is, as far as my time allows, to answer you and also the others questions about the essential statements I have made. At least up to the point where it is recognized by you what the obvious reality is outside of the thinking, that is the I. A reality that you only need to look at and perceive …

But I think it is better to talk about what you are, what your true identity is, and not about what you are not, because in the end that will take care of itself, as if in passing.

The one truth is obvious and it has been passed on for thousands of years in all cultures, on all continents and even in all religions. The error, on the other hand, is boundless. The number of prison lovers and their tales is innumerable.

You are awareness. Pure knowing.
 Quoting: ELB 73348028


Sounds good.

But there is not an iota of SUBSTANCE to his words.

Not yet, anyway.

But then again, he makes clear that it is an OFFER to bestow his divine wisdom of the ages.

I’m all ears.

But given the fact he has twice alluded to his adherence to religious beliefs, I am skeptical of his real intention.

Perhaps he was sent by his Archonic overlords to silence the information in this thread…. or to at least create doubt and division among any who come here to learn more of the Soul prison.

So Satya…. Take one for the team! Looks like you’re going to have to get smacked around, kicked, spat on, and insulted if you want Mr Ego Transcending Ego to feed you a few morsels of his Great Cosmic insights. Sorry about that, but those are his requirements. Accordingly, I encourage you to humble your Ego, just as he evidently has (*cough*), and hear what he has to say.

After all, he is correct in this:

You are Awareness. Pure Knowing.

.

Last Edited by Zovalex on 06/15/2022 11:06 AM
“Mental slavery is the worst form of slavery.
It gives you the illusion of freedom,
makes you trust, love, and defend your oppressor,
while making an enemy of those
who are trying to free you or open your eyes.”
-Fiyah

“None are more hopelessly enslaved than those who falsely believe they are free.”
-Johann Wolfgang von Goethe

“You have been programmed to resist the very person that is here to set you free, from the prison of your Mind... You are not free... everything you are has been manufactured by Minds that have not your best interest. You are imprisoned by beliefs and not reality. Religions are mental programs to imprison your Mind.”

-SOL
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Has anybody here tried the Monroe Institute Gateway Experience classes? I'm about 3/4 through the course and wonder how it might be working for anybody else... I figure this is a group which might have an interest in that material.
 Quoting: Lord Schlitz


Strong interest.

I bought the Gateway Experience on CDs.

There is another thread that dove into this, questioning the effectiveness of the material. I contributed heavily to that thread.

Robert Monroe’s tapes (actual tape cassettes) were so effective in using his Hemi-Sync binaural method to astral travel that it caught the attention of the DOD and CIA. Monroe personally trained the CIA to use his techniques. By then, he had already written two books on astral projection:

Journeys Out of the Body
Far Journeys

These books focused on astral travel and the need to learn it so as to escape the loosh energy farm (Monroe is credited as the person that coined the term “loosh”).

But this is where things get murky.

In late 1994, his third book, “Ultimate Journey” was published. However, the writing style of this book is so completely different from his first two books, that immediately following the first chapter, I realized this book was NOT written by Monroe. Moreover, it was a complete departure from astral travel, and instead advocated more for the “earth is a school” concept. Shortly thereafter, Monroe died in March 1995.

In 2003, the CIA released its report of Monroe’s work, and the report also detailed the form and shape of our “reality”. It’s a fascinating read and can be found here:

[link to www.cia.gov (secure)]

These days, the Monroe Institute no longer advertises its astral travel Gateway Experience as its leading product. Instead, they promote “self help” products.

To date, people that bought the CD’s are NOT reporting success in astral travel using them. There are people trying to locate the original tapes to compare against the CDs because the tapes were exceptionally effective in causing astral travel to occur.

I have posted on other threads that I am of the opinion that the CIA co-opted Monroe’s work, changed the Gateway Experience material so it is no longer effective to aid in astral travel, ghost-wrote most of his 3rd book, and then had Monroe killed “naturally”…. all to prevent people from learning to astral travel.

This effectively keeps humans trapped in the loosh energy prison farm.

Now….

You say you’re taking “classes” on the Gateway Experience. Are you in fact participating in an actual class at the institute in Virginia, or are you using the CDs?

Have you found success in astral travel using the CD’s?

.
 Quoting: Zovalex


Very interesting, I'll be doing some reading!

When I said 'classes' I should have said 'lessons -' I am using the .flac files shared on the Internet years ago which are purported to be ripped from the old tapes. There is at least one lesson which references not needing the tape anymore at that point to do a certain technique - I would think they would have edited that out when the CD version was cut, but I don't have the CD version to verify that.

I have not had an OBE during the lessons, but have had two or three interesting experiences while sleeping since starting the course which at the very least would be considered lucid dreaming.

For instance, I suddenly realized I was out of my body and hurried to attempt things I'd planned to do because I didn't know how long the experience would last. I could think of a person or a place I wanted to visit and I felt a sense of exhilaration and a blur as if I was flying forward very rapidly. I would then arrive at the destination.

The most interesting thing I saw was when, in this state, I attempted to locate a recently-deceased pet. The exhilaration and flying rush happened as above, but I ended up in a huge dark void - an empty area with no light. Slowly, objects started to appear to fill in the void - it reminded me of a video game where new graphics are being drawn in the distance as you move forward due to them not being able to have everything on the screen at once, if that makes sense. Bushes, grass and trees started to appear to fill in the large area. Then people started to appear - mostly children.

The first one was a boy of about 6 who was scared and crying 'where am I?' I didn't know what to tell him to comfort him because I had no idea myself.

By this time all of the darkness was gone and I was in a huge area of greenery, like a beautiful park. Dogs started appearing and some of the children were playing with them - I actually chided one for being too rough with one of the animals but the animal didn't seem to care.

However, none of them were my dog so I started moving around (I am still moving by floating at this point) and calling her name. After minutes of this I came upon a child who told me he had heard somebody calling a dog by that name earlier, and pointed at a group of people at a place far off in the distance.

On my way there I started feeling anxious about some of the terrain I was crossing (even though I knew I could not fall) and it was enough to flash me back in my body, awake and disappointed.

I'll be the first to admit that all of this could be nothing but lucid dreaming - but the feelings experienced when picking a target and moving to it are unlike any I've had while dreaming in the past, and have been repeated.

I should also note that I recall the material mentioning that some of the later lessons will use different, more beneficial sound frequencies to take the likelihood of successful OBEs to a higher level. The painfully slow levels of progression are said to be on purpose so you'll be fully prepared not to panic during your first OBE experience. I have not reached those sessions yet...
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^^^ That's pretty amazing lucid dreaming (astral travel)
Wonder if the children were also dreamers, and maybe some deceased as well?

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^^^ That's pretty amazing lucid dreaming (astral travel)
Wonder if the children were also dreamers, and maybe some deceased as well?
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Considering it later, that occurred to me to be a distinct possibility (if it was more than a lucid dream). Of course, the child could have also been having an OBE - people are able to see each other when both in that state, at least according to the Monroe Institute. Everyone there could see me and interact with me.

In the instances where I used living people I know as my travel targets it seemed that I appeared to be invisible to them.
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^^^ That's pretty amazing lucid dreaming (astral travel)
Wonder if the children were also dreamers, and maybe some deceased as well?
 Quoting: 936432979


Considering it later, that occurred to me to be a distinct possibility (if it was more than a lucid dream). Of course, the child could have also been having an OBE - people are able to see each other when both in that state, at least according to the Monroe Institute. Everyone there could see me and interact with me.

In the instances where I used living people I know as my travel targets it seemed that I appeared to be invisible to them.
 Quoting: Lord Schlitz


I think we maybe travel out of body oftentimes automatically with no effort while dreaming. But the dreams are often so weird i can’t be be positively sure about that.
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Ya gotta love this guy.

Satya specifically stated:

if you would be willing to speak in an informative manner,

… without condescension or belittling.
 Quoting: Satyarevelations



How does “Mr Everlasting Love and No Ego” reply?

He bitch slaps Satya FIVE times:


You are now, of all people, one of those who only waste my time, of whom I have just spoken.

One of those who has already shown extensively that he has no real interest and no need for truth.

If you had real interest and were inwardly ready, you would have immediately realized that the insults cannot be authentic, if what has been said in content is correct.

If you had a longing for the truth, you would have immediately grabbed the pearls, then the stench would not have bothered you. You might not even have noticed it.

For the reason, however, I know that you will not appreciate the pearls either, if I present them to you polished on a golden tray.
 Quoting: ELB 73348028



Clearly, Mr. “I have no Ego” has some sick need to make people come crawling to him to beg though….

“Pleeeeeaaaase, All Knowing and Wise One…..
pleeeeeaaaase bestow thy infinite knowledge on thy lowly slave.”

*slap! Smack!*

”You worthless worm! You don’t deserve to stand in the shadow of my divine presence!”

“But pleeeeeaaaase, Your Lordship…. thy lowly slave begs to just have a small sip from they cup of Great Cosmic Wisdom of the Ages… pleeeeaaaase!!”

*Smack! SLAP!*

”Grovel and beg harder, maggot! Satisfy my Egoless Ego with more begging! You are not worthy of cleaning my toilet, much less waste my heavy money-making time explaining the architecture and construct of Consciousness and the Universe!”


His insults are entertaining, though. He truly makes me laugh.

In fact, I’m flattered that he has specifically targeted ME for special bitch-slapping. It means he sees me as a threat to what he perceives as “Truth”, and he feels a responsibility to proscribe my continuing effects to draw his fellow christians away from their Mind-imprisonment of religious doctrine.

Be that as it may, I have a lifetime of learning, study, research, and experience that has brought me to where I stand today. That path necessarily requires that I remain open Minded to ALL schools of thought. Over the years, I have adopted and subsequently discarded bits and pieces of what I learn. I do not outright reject new information…. I CRAVE new information. I apply what I learn to my life, over a period of YEARS, and I gradually let non-Truths fall away organically as Truth bubbles to the surface.

So I am quite happy to take an insult-laden bitch-slapping from Mr. Egoless Ego for the sake of learning something that may well alter my current views. After all, I am a man of reason and logic. Rather than alter my perception of reality to conform to my beliefs, I quickly alter my beliefs to match reality.

That said, let’s take a look at some constructive statements our new guest has so graciously bestowed upon us:

I cannot free you from the ego prison here, but I can show you with very simple means and understandable for everyone how the ego prison works and is constituted.

The work to come into the present and reality and to live your life in complete freedom, in boundless joy and eternal peace, nobody can take from you. You have to walk the path yourself.

By the way, walking the path does not mean that you read something and then suddenly understand everything, but that you do the work very concretely and look and see that the ego is a very big liar and deceiver and that what it claims has nothing to do with what actually happens in the immediate perception and experience.

My offer is, as far as my time allows, to answer you and also the others questions about the essential statements I have made. At least up to the point where it is recognized by you what the obvious reality is outside of the thinking, that is the I. A reality that you only need to look at and perceive …

But I think it is better to talk about what you are, what your true identity is, and not about what you are not, because in the end that will take care of itself, as if in passing.

The one truth is obvious and it has been passed on for thousands of years in all cultures, on all continents and even in all religions. The error, on the other hand, is boundless. The number of prison lovers and their tales is innumerable.

You are awareness. Pure knowing.
 Quoting: ELB 73348028


Sounds good.

But there is not an iota of SUBSTANCE to his words.

Not yet, anyway.

But then again, he makes clear that it is an OFFER to bestow his divine wisdom of the ages.

I’m all ears.

But given the fact he has twice alluded to his adherence to religious beliefs, I am skeptical of his real intention.

Perhaps he was sent by his Archonic overlords to silence the information in this thread…. or to at least create doubt and division among any who come here to learn more of the Soul prison.

So Satya…. Take one for the team! Looks like you’re going to have to get smacked around, kicked, spat on, and insulted if you want Mr Ego Transcending Ego to feed you a few morsels of his Great Cosmic insights. Sorry about that, but those are his requirements. Accordingly, I encourage you to humble your Ego, just as he evidently has (*cough*), and hear what he has to say.

After all, he is correct in this:

You are Awareness. Pure Knowing.

.
 Quoting: Zovalex


Those were my exact sentiments when I read that.

"GROVEL MORE PEASANT!"

Maybe we're being trolledlolsign
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^^^ That's pretty amazing lucid dreaming (astral travel)
Wonder if the children were also dreamers, and maybe some deceased as well?
 Quoting: 936432979


Considering it later, that occurred to me to be a distinct possibility (if it was more than a lucid dream). Of course, the child could have also been having an OBE - people are able to see each other when both in that state, at least according to the Monroe Institute. Everyone there could see me and interact with me.

In the instances where I used living people I know as my travel targets it seemed that I appeared to be invisible to them.
 Quoting: Lord Schlitz


I think we maybe travel out of body oftentimes automatically with no effort while dreaming. But the dreams are often so weird i can’t be be positively sure about that.
 Quoting: 936432979


We do. We leave our bodies every night and go into the astral but we aren't aware of it.
Humans are meant to be free
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^^^ That's pretty amazing lucid dreaming (astral travel)
Wonder if the children were also dreamers, and maybe some deceased as well?
 Quoting: 936432979


Considering it later, that occurred to me to be a distinct possibility (if it was more than a lucid dream). Of course, the child could have also been having an OBE - people are able to see each other when both in that state, at least according to the Monroe Institute. Everyone there could see me and interact with me.

In the instances where I used living people I know as my travel targets it seemed that I appeared to be invisible to them.
 Quoting: Lord Schlitz


I think we maybe travel out of body oftentimes automatically with no effort while dreaming. But the dreams are often so weird i can’t be be positively sure about that.
 Quoting: 936432979


We do. We leave our bodies every night and go into the astral but we aren't aware of it.
 Quoting: Sexy Squirrel


so often I wake up with a WTF feeling......... feeling anxious, stomach hurts....... weird energy
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When I said 'classes' I should have said 'lessons -' I am using the .flac files shared on the Internet years ago which are purported to be ripped from the old tapes.

I have not had an OBE during the lessons, but have had two or three interesting experiences while sleeping since starting the course which at the very least would be considered lucid dreaming.
 Quoting: Lord Schlitz


The most important part of the training is in the beginning:
Reaching “Focus 10” (Mind awake, body asleep).

Learning to do that is the difficult part for most people. Apparently, the original tapes aided a person to accomplish this almost effortlessly, with many early students reporting almost spontaneous astral travel with almost no effort.

However, I am finding that shortly following the point where Monroe is speaking about “Mind awake, body asleep”, I suddenly feel an intense fatigue - exactly the opposite of Focus 10. It takes strong effort to fight past the fatigue. This is where I suspect the materials have been compromised to in fact prevent astral travel.


However, none of them were my dog so I started moving around (I am still moving by floating at this point) and calling her name. After minutes of this I came upon a child who told me he had heard somebody calling a dog by that name earlier, and pointed at a group of people at a place far off in the distance.

On my way there I started feeling anxious about some of the terrain I was crossing (even though I knew I could not fall) and it was enough to flash me back in my body, awake and disappointed.

I'll be the first to admit that all of this could be nothing but lucid dreaming - but the feelings experienced when picking a target and moving to it are unlike any I've had while dreaming in the past, and have been repeated.
 Quoting: Lord Schlitz


Since I began using the Gateway Experience, my dreams have deepened to the point that I am quite literally in another physical world. Moreover, I am progressively developing powerful abilities in my dreams that are increasing and improving little by little, month over month. I am now at the point that when dreaming, I suddenly remember that I have the ability to control my environment with my Mind, and I am able to shape and form my surroundings. I’ve even been able to project images and hallucinations into the Minds of people chasing me to kill me in dreams.



I bought the Gateway Experience about a year or so ago, and I am still on the second CD of Wave 1! The other Waves are still sealed in plastic, unopened.
I am working to master Focus 10 before progressing, even though the materials say that it isn’t necessary to do so.

Problem is, I keep falling asleep at a specific point in the exercise, so I’m working to overcome that first before moving forward to the other training.

Please keep us posted on your progress. I’m very interested in knowing if anyone has authentic recordings from the original tapes.

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“Mental slavery is the worst form of slavery.
It gives you the illusion of freedom,
makes you trust, love, and defend your oppressor,
while making an enemy of those
who are trying to free you or open your eyes.”
-Fiyah

“None are more hopelessly enslaved than those who falsely believe they are free.”
-Johann Wolfgang von Goethe

“You have been programmed to resist the very person that is here to set you free, from the prison of your Mind... You are not free... everything you are has been manufactured by Minds that have not your best interest. You are imprisoned by beliefs and not reality. Religions are mental programs to imprison your Mind.”

-SOL
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Clearly, Mr. "I have no Ego" has some sick need to make people come crawling to him to beg though [...]

How does "Mr. Everlasting Love and No Ego" reply?
 Quoting: Zovalex


Here is the answer you were looking for.

What is clear is that here a hateful narcissist has a very pressing need to lie, fabricate statements, gaslight, distract from the fact that he has been refuted in content with primitive insinuations and distortions of content, fabricated quotes and ad hominem verbiage.

In fact, I'm flattered that he has specifically targeted ME for special bitch-slapping. It means he sees me as a threat to what he perceives as "Truth", and he feels a responsibility to proscribe my continuing effects to draw his fellow christians away from their mind-imprisonment of religious doctrine.
 Quoting: Zovalex


Next, completely out of the air, made up straw man argument, which we'll get to in a moment.

Be that as it may, I have a lifetime of learning, study, research, and experience that has brought me to where I stand today.
 Quoting: Zovalex


The cheap attempts now for the second time to pretend competence without any substantive argument is just noticed by everyone.

It is more than clear that you have neither knowledge, let alone experience regarding the things you talk about.

If it were not as I say, you would have immediately responded in substance with viable arguments when I proved your theories not only wrong, but impossible.

But there is not an iota of SUBSTANCE to his words.
 Quoting: Zovalex


As one with even average intelligence can grasp, the clarification and offer also refers to what has already been said. And they had such substance that you immediately did everything you could to deflect from that substance by any means. As usual from you, you did everything to conceal the substance, to suppress and to discredit and defame the messenger with lies, insinuations, falsified quotations, content distortions and ad hominem arguments.

So there was already a lot of substance, just not from you.

I had also already referred to this, as you of course also noticed when you ‘accidentally’ cut off part of the quote. Namely this...

And even your second chance to then ask questions about the many statements, each of which proves that what Zovalex and Squirrel spread in disinformation is not only wrong, but can only be wrong, you did not use.

So what should I be able to do for you?

 Quoting: ELB 73348028


It is not surprising that the immediately following paragraph is also missing, which also exposes your alleged openness and greed for knowledge, which we will talk about in a moment, as a mendacious deception. You are interested in your narcissistic self-overestimation only for your own truth. Your ignorant wandering around in complete darkness.

I can only offer you to expose once again the obvious, namely that Zovalex and Squirrel both have nothing to bring forward to the arguments presented, which immediately bring down their entire edifice of thought, but only react with excuses and diversionary maneuvers.
 Quoting: ELB 73348028


So why do you manipulate and falsify quotes purposefully so that the meaning is twisted? Out of love for the truth or because you yourself are a hateful, narcissistic phony and disinformer who cannot bear to be exposed for what he is? A cheap blowhard who clearly has no idea what he is talking about and who has no answers to the simplest questions that would be basic to his concepts and theories.

Thus, for all those who impartially follow your dogged battle of truth destruction and truth prevention, that nothing could be a bigger lie, an even deeper narcissistic self-deception, and a wholly more absurd announcement than this next distortion - in an endless series of fact distortions.

So I am quite happy to take an insult-laden bitch-slapping from Mr. Egoless Ego for the sake of learning something that may well alter my current views. After all, I am a man of reason and logic. Rather than alter my perception of reality to conform to my beliefs, I quickly alter my beliefs to match reality.
 Quoting: Zovalex


As I have said many times now: You too had the chance to react to the many arguments that expose your whole fantasy story as insubstantial mental illness. But for obvious reasons you not only didn't use it, but you did everything so that the arguments are not taken note of by others.

Your true intentions were clear for everyone at the latest at the point when you started to talk permanently about "Mr. Egoless Ego", when it was long clear that I myself said exactly the opposite and even corrected you explicitly and several times.

So you are an unfair, deceitful, lying and manipulative trickster, who would like to make the following statements, but demonstrably has no real knowledge and not a hint of real insight to make such a statement.

And one like you should be taken seriously as an enlightener. Really?

After all, he is correct in this:

You are Awareness. Pure Knowing.

 Quoting: Zovalex


Still, it's good that you reaffirm the correctness, because this factually exposes all the rest of your fairy tales, e.g. the ‘Archon Soul Prison’ story, as 100% BS. That is logical.

As an explanation for those who, unlike you, Zovalex, Squirrel and Satya, already have beginner's knowledge of consciousness, awareness and soul, let me remind you again of the essentials:

You ARE Awareness. Not "I HAVE awareness." Pure knowing is that which sees the constituents of the person, sense perception, feelings, thoughts, etc. The "I" is what is seen. This has been said many times, ignored by the disinformers Zovalex and Squirrel, hushed up and buried under ad hominem garbage to protect their tall tales and fraud.

The self and the soul can be recognized ONLY in itself, with itself and by itself. NEVER by the ego-I, not by the person, not by Zovalex and not by Squirrel.

Thus it is also quite clear and completely logical that there can be no ‘soul prison’, because the soul is eternally free and unbound. It has no dimensional quality and cannot be grasped by the mind. It is impossible to touch it in any way.

These are the facts. Everyone, who wants to, can check this truth directly with himself.

Therefore all, who also use their head for independent thinking, know that this statement, which is also repeated by Zovalex in variants constantly and in the same autistic manner - as also the ‘NoEgo’ lie -, also has the exactly opposite meaning.

Perhaps he was sent by his Archonic overlords to silence the information in this thread
 Quoting: Zovalex


Another bogus argument, another distraction and distortion of the facts.

Like everything Zovalex says and does. Zero knowledge, zero insight, no arguments, zero substance. Only deception and disinformation.

True, on the contrary, it is undeniable that the theories propagated by Squirrel, Zovalex & Co. unerringly imprison the ego, preventing the awakening and knowing of the Self, the Soul and the Absolute.

If you are looking for a spiritual PsyOp, you have found it with the ‘soul trap’ story of these embarrassing jokers.


So we are dealing here with people who have too little brain mass to be able to distinguish seer, seeing and seen, but who nevertheless imagine that they have to do enlightenment work OR we are dealing with crazy psychopaths and the dregs of humanity who do everything to prevent their fellow men from waking up.

Neither does the world need.

There a somewhat more offensive writing style is clearly also appropriate.
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The light is a trap. They can impersonate loved ones.
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You ARE Awareness. Not "I HAVE awareness." Pure knowing is that which sees the constituents of the person, sense perception, feelings, thoughts, etc. The "I" is what is seen. This has been said many times, ignored by the disinformers Zovalex and Squirrel, hushed up and buried under ad hominem garbage to protect their tall tales and fraud.

The self and the soul can be recognized ONLY in itself, with itself and by itself. NEVER by the ego-I, not by the person, not by Zovalex and not by Squirrel.

Thus it is also quite clear and completely logical that there can be no ‘soul prison’, because the soul is eternally free and unbound. It has no dimensional quality and cannot be grasped by the mind. It is impossible to touch it in any way.

These are the facts. Everyone, who wants to, can check this truth directly with himself.
 Quoting: ELB 73348028


“Before 30,000 BCE --
Earth started being used a dumping ground and prison for Immortal Spiritual Beings who were judged "untouchable", meaning criminal or non-conformists. IS-BEs were captured, encapsulated in electronic traps and transported to Earth from various parts of the "Old Empire". Underground "amnesia stations" were set up on Mars and on Earth in the Rwenzori Mountains in Africa, in the Pyrenees Mountains of Portugal, and in steppes of Mongolia.

These electronic monitoring points create force screens designed to detect and capture IS-BEs, when the IS-BE departs the body at death. IS-BEs are brainwashed using extreme electronic force in order to maintain Earth's population in state of perpetual amnesia. Further population controls are installed through the use of long range electronic thought control mechanisms.
These stations are still in operation and they are extremely difficult to attack or destroy, even for The Domain, which will not maintain a significant military
force in this area until a later date.“

“ On Earth most beings are not aware that they are IS-
BEs, or that there are spirits of any kind. Many other
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beings are aware of this, but nearly everyone has a very
limited understanding of themselves as an IS-BE.
One of the reasons for this is that IS-BEs have been
waging war against each other since the beginning of
time. The purpose of these wars have always been to
establish domination by one IS-BE or group of IS-BEs
over another. Since an IS-BE cannot be "killed", the
objective has been to capture and immobilize IS-BEs.
This has been done in an nearly unlimited variety of
ways. The most basic method to capture and immobilize
an IS-BE is through the use of various kinds of "traps".
IS-BE traps have been made and put in place by many
invading societies, such as the one that established the
"Old Empire", beginning about sixty-four trillion years
ago. Traps are often set up in the "territory" of the
IS-BEs being attacked. Usually a trap is set with the
electronic wave of "beauty" to attract the interest and
attention of the IS-BE. When the IS-BE moves toward the
source of the aesthetic wave, such as a beautiful
building or beautiful music, the trap is activated by
the energy put out by the IS-BE.
One of the most common trap mechanism uses the IS-BE's
own thought energy output when the IS-BE tries to attack
or fight back against the trap. The trap is activated
and energized by the IS-BE's own thought energy. The
harder the IS-BE fights against the trap, the more it
pulls the IBS toward it and keeps them "stuck" in the
trap.
Throughout the entire history of this physical universe,
vast areas of space have been taken over and colonized
by IS-BE societies who invade and take over new areas of
space in this fashion. In the past, these invasions
have always shared common elements:
1) the overwhelming use of force of arms, usually with
nuclear or electronic weapons.
2) mind control of the IS-BEs in the invaded area
through the use of electroshock, drugs, hypnosis,
erasure of memory and the implantation of false memory
or false information intended to subjugate and enslave
the local IS-BE population.
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3) take over of natural resources by the invading IS-
BEs.
4) political, economic and social slavery of the local
population.
These activities continue in present time. All of the
IS-BEs on Earth have been members of one or more of
these activities in the past, both as an invader, or as
part of the population being invaded. There are no
"saints" in this universe. Very few have avoided or
been exempted from warfare between IS-BEs.
IS-BEs on Earth are still the victims of this activity
at this very moment. The between-lives amnesia
administered to IS-BEs is one on the mechanisms of an
elaborate system of "Old Empire" IS-BE traps, that
prevent an IS-BE from escaping.
This operation is managed by an illicit, renegade secret police 118 (Footnote) force of the "Old Empire", using false provocation operations to disguise their activities
119 (Footnote) in order to prevent detection by their own government, The Domain and by the victims of their activities. They are mind-control methods developed by government psychiatrists. 120 (Footnote)
Earth is a "ghetto" 121 (Footnote) planet. It is the result of an intergalactic "Holocaust". 122 (Footnote) IS-BEs have been sentenced to Earth either because:
1) They are too viciously insane or perverse to function
as part of any civilization, no matter how degraded or
corrupt.
2) Or, they are a revolutionary threat to the social,
economic and political caste system that has been so
carefully built and brutally enforced in the "Old
Empire". Biological bodies are specifically designed
and designated as the lowest order of entity in the "Old
Empire" caste system. When an IS-BE is sent to Earth,
and then tricked or coerced into operating in a
biological body, they are actually in a prison, inside a
prison.
3) In an effort to permanently and irreversibly rid the
"Old Empire" of such "untouchables", the eternal
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identity, memory, and abilities of every IS-BE is forcefully erased. This "final solution" 123 (Footnote) was conceived and carried out by the psychopathic criminals who are controlled by the "Old Empire".
The mass extermination of "untouchables" and prison
camps created by Germany during World War II were
recently revealed. Likewise, the IS-BEs of Earth are the
victims of spiritual eradication and eternal slavery
inside frail, biological bodies, inspired by the same
kind of craven hatred in the "Old Empire".
The kind and creative inmates of Earth are continuously
tortured by butchers and lunatics who are controlled by
the "Old Empire" prison operators. The so-called
"civilizations" of Earth, from the age of useless
pyramids to the age of nuclear holocaust, have been a
colossal waste of natural resources, a perverted use of
intelligence, and an overt oppression of the spiritual
essence of every single IS-BE on the planet.
If The Domain sent ships to every corner of the universe
in search of "Hell", their quest could end on Earth.
What greater brutality can be inflicted on anyone than
to erase the spiritual awareness, identity, ability,
and memory that is the essence of oneself?
The Domain has, as yet, been unable to rescue the 3,000
IS-BEs of the Expeditionary Force Battalion either.
They are forced to inhabit biological bodies on Earth.
We have been able to recognize and track most of them
for the past 8,000 years. However, our attempts to
communicate with them are usually futile, as they are
unable to remember their true identity.”
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“Before 30,000 BCE -- Earth started being used a dumping ground and prison for Immortal Spiritual Beings [...]
 Quoting: Tiaka9


This is exactly the same kind of very imaginative but idiotic adventure stories as told by Squirrel and Zovalex, but which fail already at the very beginning.

An entity, an independent being exists only in the thinking, nowhere else.

The reality is absolute. In this absolute awareness only something appears, a thought that looks like an autonomous subject and entity, the "I".

But this apparent duality never leaves the absolute. Thus, the appearance of "you" is non-being and never comes into existence.

What you think you are. 'I', you will not find anywhere.

There are no beings existing. What exists is the knowing of these appearances.

You can easily check this with yourself by trying to pinpoint your "I" and by examining whether the space in which the thoughts appear has any form of limitation or boundary.

As you can see, reality is so simple that it is almost impossible for the mind to grasp.
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The light is a trap. They can impersonate loved ones.
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Correct. They project images of loved ones and religious figures to lure the deceased person into the light.
Humans are meant to be free
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I think this video is a good resource for anyone who wants to leave their body.

[link to youtu.be (secure)]
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It seems that one particular individual in this thread seems to think he is the all of all, since he is pure consciousness only. The fact is we are all fractals of the all of all pure consciousness. we .... ALL of us, are of fallen consciousness while in this 3D/4D vibration.

As such, our individual fractalized "souls" can indeed be trapped. It's already happening that we can watch NOW in this realm. They are already taking peoples' consciousness and putting them into robots, clones, various avatars. To say that on a global level this is not a prison planet because it's impossible to capture "pure knowing" is naive, to be kind.

Because we are multiple dimensional beings, we do have access to our higher consciousness, but because this is attainable only by raising our vibration, 3D/4D can absolutely be a trap.
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If you think so, you shouldn't have anything to worry about, right?
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Reincarnation is a Trap. It's only purpose is to feed parasitic entities. That's it.

In this video, I go over exactly what to do to never Reincarnate ever again.


 Quoting: Sexy Squirrel

I have a ticket to a dreamless sleep, I doubt I can change it even if I could:

Ec:3:20:
All go unto one place;
all are of the dust,
and all turn to dust again.
Ec:12:7:
Then shall the dust return to the earth as it was:
and the spirit shall return unto God who gave it.
Ec:9:10:
Whatsoever thy hand findeth to do,
do it with thy might; for there is no work,
nor device,
nor knowledge,
nor wisdom,
in the grave,
whither thou goest.

There is no place that says 'other flesh' goes to sleep when they die. They would ascend to New Jerusalem and regain a body when the Flock has made some pastures for them, as they will need to eat to remain alive forever.
When a mortal is resurrected, they become immortals. That would tend to interfere with the 'next death and next resurrection, would it not?
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It seems that one particular individual in this thread seems to think he is the all of all, since he is pure consciousness only.
 Quoting: Satyarevelations


If you want to talk to me, talk to me directly. Let me know what you don't understand about my hint that you have no consciousness, but appear in consciousness (in the form of an I-thought).

The only trap that exists is yourself.

The only decision you have to make is whether you want to be identified any longer with something that you see or whether you are ready to recognize that which sees.

Very simple to understand. There is no need to make up crazy stories.

P.S. As a reminder, as you just read, consciousness is absolute, so it can never be integrated into anything (limited). For that you don't need to know or think anything, you just need to be still and look at the 'space' in which everything appears.
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The most important part of the training is in the beginning:
Reaching “Focus 10” (Mind awake, body asleep).

Learning to do that is the difficult part for most people. Apparently, the original tapes aided a person to accomplish this almost effortlessly, with many early students reporting almost spontaneous astral travel with almost no effort.

However, I am finding that shortly following the point where Monroe is speaking about “Mind awake, body asleep”, I suddenly feel an intense fatigue - exactly the opposite of Focus 10. It takes strong effort to fight past the fatigue. This is where I suspect the materials have been compromised to in fact prevent astral travel.

 Quoting: Zovalex


I have not had difficulty staying awake in Focus 10 or Focus 12, though the non-verbal communication exercises get me near the edge. They do recommend reclining in a comfortable chair instead of lying completely down if one has difficulty staying mentally awake - that is how I usually do the lessons.

Looking ahead, one of the lessons I'll be doing soon actually requires you to do it when you go to bed for the night and drop fully into sleep afterward - that one might make it tricky to be alert for the required parts.
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 Quoting: Satyarevelations


One more thing:

I forgot to write that again explicitly, because that should be clear, but you had asked to explain everything for the stupid ones, because you are not the brightest candle on the cake.

'All of all, pure consciousness', that is what you are and do not have to become first. You only look from the wrong direction.
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It seems that one particular individual in this thread seems to think he is the all of all, since he is pure consciousness only.
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One more thing:

I forgot to write that again explicitly, because that should be clear, but you had asked to explain everything for the stupid ones, because you are not the brightest candle on the cake.

'All of all, pure consciousness', that is what you are and do not have to become first. You only look from the wrong direction.
 Quoting: ELB 73348028


I never said "become" If you want to more clearly understand what I say, you have only need to ask POLITELY

...... you didn't address one single thing I said. You are just like christians *teaching* about their bibles, speaking in circular logic.....self-serving, and with a highly inflated ego. You say you are truth, because you say you are. That's it.

Now, this will be my last engagement with you. I don't give my energy away to low vibrational egoic soulless beings.
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It seems that one particular individual in this thread seems to think he is the all of all, since he is pure consciousness only.
 Quoting: Satyarevelations


One more thing:

I forgot to write that again explicitly, because that should be clear, but you had asked to explain everything for the stupid ones, because you are not the brightest candle on the cake.

'All of all, pure consciousness', that is what you are and do not have to become first. You only look from the wrong direction.
 Quoting: ELB 73348028


I never said "become" If you want to more clearly understand what I say, you have only need to ask POLITELY

...... you didn't address one single thing I said. You are just like christians *teaching* about their bibles, speaking in circular logic.....self-serving, and with a highly inflated ego. You say you are truth, because you say you are. That's it.

Now, this will be my last engagement with you. I don't give my energy away to low vibrational egoic soulless beings.
 Quoting: Satyarevelations


There is no need to be offended, I only repeated what you wrote to me.

I have also addressed everything, but you have not understood.

However, one error should be cleared up at the end. The soul describes the pointless point between absolute and what appears as material world.

So you can HAVE soul just as little as consciousness. Here with two terms for different points of view the same thing is described.

The soul is therefore that in which you appear. This also explains why the soul remains, while the experiences, e.g. the body, can change.

Basically nothing belongs to your "I", even if it would like to assimilate everything.

All the best for you!
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This is exactly the same kind of very imaginative but idiotic adventure stories as told by Squirrel and Zovalex, but which fail already at the very beginning.

An entity, an independent being exists only in the thinking, nowhere else.
 Quoting: ELB 73348028


From the same “story”. ELB, are you able to depart from your bioengineered “physical” body at will?


“The primary nature of an immortal spiritual being is that they live in a timeless state of "is", and the only reason for their existence is that they decide to "be".

IS-BEs have been around since before the beginning of the universe. The reason they are called "immortal", is because a "spirit" is not born and cannot die, but exists in a personally postulated perception of "is - will be". She was careful to explain that every spirit is not the same. Each is completely
unique in identity, power, awareness and ability. The difference between an IS-BE like Airl and most of the IS-BEs inhabiting bodies on Earth, is that Airl can
enter and depart from her "doll" at will.
She can perceive at selective depths through matter. Airl and other officers of The Domain can communicate
telepathically. Since an IS-BE is not a physical universe entity it has no location in space or time. An IS-BE is literally, "immaterial". They can span great
distances of space instantly.


They can experience sensations, more intensely than a biological body, without the use of physical sensory mechanisms. An IS-BE can exclude pain from their
perception. Airl can also remember her "identity", so to speak, all the way back into the dim mists of time, for trillions of years!

She says that the existing collection of suns in this immediate vicinity of the universe have been burning for the last 200 trillion years. The age of the physical universe is nearly infinitely old, but probably at least four quadrillion 62 years since its earliest beginnings.

Time is a difficult factor to measure as it depends on the subjective memory of IS-BEs and there has been no uniform record of events throughout the physical universe since it began. As on Earth, there are many different time measurement systems, defined by various cultures, which use cycles of motion, and points of origin to establish age and duration.

The physical universe itself is formed from the convergence and amalgamation of many other individual universes, each one of which were created by an IS-BE or group of IS-BEs. The collision of these illusory universes commingled and coalesced and were solidified to form a mutually created universe. Because it is agreed that energy and forms can be created, but not destroyed, this creative process has continued to form an ever-expanding universe of nearly infinite physical proportions.

Before the formation of the physical universe there was a vast period during which universes were not solid, but wholly illusionary. You might say that the universe was a universe of magical illusions which were made to appear and vanish at the will of the magician. In every case, the "magician" was one or more IS-BEs. Many IS- BEs on Earth can still recall vague images from that period. Tales of magic, sorcery and enchantment, fairy tales and mythology speak of such things, although in very crude terms.

Each IS-BE entered into the physical universe when they lost their own, "home" universe. That is, when an IS-BE's "home" universe was overwhelmed by the physical universe, or when the IS-BE joined with other IS-BEs to
create or conquer the physical universe.”
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Re: Reincarnation is a Scam & How to Never Reincarnate Ever Again
It seems that one particular individual in this thread seems to think he is the all of all, since he is pure consciousness only.
 Quoting: Satyarevelations


One more thing:

I forgot to write that again explicitly, because that should be clear, but you had asked to explain everything for the stupid ones, because you are not the brightest candle on the cake.

'All of all, pure consciousness', that is what you are and do not have to become first. You only look from the wrong direction.
 Quoting: ELB 73348028


I never said "become" If you want to more clearly understand what I say, you have only need to ask POLITELY

...... you didn't address one single thing I said. You are just like christians *teaching* about their bibles, speaking in circular logic.....self-serving, and with a highly inflated ego. You say you are truth, because you say you are. That's it.

Now, this will be my last engagement with you. I don't give my energy away to low vibrational egoic soulless beings.
 Quoting: Satyarevelations


There is no need to be offended, I only repeated what you wrote to me.

I have also addressed everything, but you have not understood.

However, one error should be cleared up at the end. The soul describes the pointless point between absolute and what appears as material world.

So you can HAVE soul just as little as consciousness. Here with two terms for different points of view the same thing is described.

The soul is therefore that in which you appear. This also explains why the soul remains, while the experiences, e.g. the body, can change.

Basically nothing belongs to your "I", even if it would like to assimilate everything.

All the best for you!
 Quoting: ELB 73348028


I was walking my dog, thinking about you.. What you say. How you say it. Why you say the things you do, the way you do.

You are a representative of that one that is known by many names, but right now, I choose Yaldebaoth. You actually are, in your inner circle, exactly as you say you are. You're in your own bubble. Constricted by your own energy. And you get a bit lonely now and then, in your own bubble of ALL KNOWINGNESS. You want others to join you in your circular, enclosed bubble.

Thanks for revealing yourself! It makes things much easier for the rest of us, to avoid your self-imposed chaotic confusion.

All the best to you!! really..... hoping...... and sending you love, if you'll have it.





GLP