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Just†Me
(OP) User ID: 83653213  Norway06/14/2022 04:45 PM  Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | You love to school everyone on everything that doesn't align with everything you say. the KJV was composed by Sir Francis Bacon, a known Rosicrucian and Freemason master. It was then approved by King James, a gay, catholic 33 degree freemason. It was full of symbology on the pages..... this is exactly why it was rejected by masses of people, until they started getting persecuted and murdered for their rejection of it. There were countless translations of the bibles before the KJV was forced upon the people And this was done because of the times of the event, catholic against protestant.........everyone speaking and writing by code. Anyone who thinks the KJV wasn't a part of this mess is a fool. Which is a well known lie. 50 of Britains best scholars translated it into english for King James from the base text which is textus receptus. So get at it. Make a mockery out of yourself and attack it, and ill show you dont know what youre talking about. This is one of my favourite topics, so instead of talk the talk, walk the walk and get started. KJV: John 8:24 I said therefore unto you, that ye shall die in your sins: for if ye believe not that I am he*, ye shall die in your sins. He was added to the text. So now what was that about KJB not having extra text? No it wasnt troll, and here ill just use the ancient codex sinaiticus which is the critical text to show they all say the same here, this is not a disputed verse, just you yapping away like you have done here for hours: [link to codexsinaiticus.org (secure)] I want a serious debate by someone that knows something about the bible. That excludes you. Just†Me recomends: Romans 10:13 - “whoever calls on the name of the Lord shall be saved.” Some prophecies fullfilled by Jesus: [link to www.gotquestions.org (secure)] The bible for download: [link to rcbi-resources.yolasite.com] |
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| Just†Me
(OP) User ID: 83653213 Norway06/14/2022 04:49 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | John 7:39 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 60065642 King James Version 39 (But this spake he of the Spirit, which they that believe on him should receive: for the Holy Ghost was not yet given; because that Jesus was not yet glorified.) *given* was added because its a specification in the english translation, irrelevant. Now, leave the stage for the other guy, this tread was not made for your trolling purposes. Start your own troll-treads. Just†Me recomends: Romans 10:13 - “whoever calls on the name of the Lord shall be saved.” Some prophecies fullfilled by Jesus: [link to www.gotquestions.org (secure)] The bible for download: [link to rcbi-resources.yolasite.com] |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 60065642 Canada06/14/2022 04:51 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | John 7:39 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 60065642 King James Version 39 (But this spake he of the Spirit, which they that believe on him should receive: for the Holy Ghost was not yet given; because that Jesus was not yet glorified.) *given* was added because So you admit *given* is added. Thank you very much. |
| Just†Me
(OP) User ID: 83653213 Norway06/14/2022 04:53 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | John 7:39 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 60065642 King James Version 39 (But this spake he of the Spirit, which they that believe on him should receive: for the Holy Ghost was not yet given; because that Jesus was not yet glorified.) *given* was added because So you admit *given* is added. Thank you very much. you havent proven anything except being a troll and a clown. Get lost, your "input" isnt relevant to anyone. Just†Me recomends: Romans 10:13 - “whoever calls on the name of the Lord shall be saved.” Some prophecies fullfilled by Jesus: [link to www.gotquestions.org (secure)] The bible for download: [link to rcbi-resources.yolasite.com] |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 60065642 Canada06/14/2022 04:55 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | John 7:39 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 60065642 King James Version 39 (But this spake he of the Spirit, which they that believe on him should receive: for the Holy Ghost was not yet given; because that Jesus was not yet glorified.) *given* was added because So you admit *given* is added. Thank you very much. you havent proven anything except being a troll and a clown. Get lost, your "input" isnt relevant to anyone. You said the KJV has no added words... I showed you added words... your argument was "because _____", indicating there are added words.. |
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| Anonymous Coward User ID: 60065642 Canada06/14/2022 04:58 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | John 7:39 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 60065642 King James Version 39 (But this spake he of the Spirit, which they that believe on him should receive: for the Holy Ghost was not yet given; because that Jesus was not yet glorified.) *given* was added Go and look in your KJV... the word "given" will be in italics, indicating it is not in the original Greek texts. |
| Just†Me
(OP) User ID: 83653213 Norway06/14/2022 04:58 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | you havent proven anything except being a troll and a clown. Get lost, your "input" isnt relevant to anyone. You said the KJV has no added words... I showed you added words... your argument was "because _____", indicating there are added words.. What i mean when i say the KJV doesnt have ADDED WORDS is that the KJV doesnt add text into the bible that shouldnt be there when its translated. I speak norwegian, dimwit. When english is translated, our sentences can look different, with more words to get the same meaning in norwegian as it has in english. Thats the nature of translation. Sadly for you, youre too stupid to know this. That makes you incompetent to have a serious debate with. Youre a clown and a troll, and you are wasting everyones time. So please get lost, and stop drowning the few serious posts here in nonsense. Just†Me recomends: Romans 10:13 - “whoever calls on the name of the Lord shall be saved.” Some prophecies fullfilled by Jesus: [link to www.gotquestions.org (secure)] The bible for download: [link to rcbi-resources.yolasite.com] |
| Just†Me
(OP) User ID: 83653213 Norway06/14/2022 05:05 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Ellicott's Commentary for English Readers Quoting: Anonymous Coward 60065642 If ye believe not that I am he.--The word "He" is not found in the Greek text, and this is marked by the italics in English; ...and since you quote a commentary that debunks your nonsense, it says its an interpretation, if he said "unless you believe I am" (meaning YHVH) or "he", essentially conveys the same message, but "HE" would be a better reading in english, thats why its translated this way. This is obiously shocking to you, but greek is not identical to english. Just†Me recomends: Romans 10:13 - “whoever calls on the name of the Lord shall be saved.” Some prophecies fullfilled by Jesus: [link to www.gotquestions.org (secure)] The bible for download: [link to rcbi-resources.yolasite.com] |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 60065642 Canada06/14/2022 05:11 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Ellicott's Commentary for English Readers Quoting: Anonymous Coward 60065642 If ye believe not that I am he.--The word "He" is not found in the Greek text, and this is marked by the italics in English; ...and since you quote a commentary that debunks your nonsense, How can you possibly say that, since it says exactly what I said, that the KJV has added "he" instead of just "I AM"? |
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| Just†Me
(OP) User ID: 83653213 Norway06/14/2022 05:14 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Ellicott's Commentary for English Readers Quoting: Anonymous Coward 60065642 If ye believe not that I am he.--The word "He" is not found in the Greek text, and this is marked by the italics in English; ...and since you quote a commentary that debunks your nonsense, How can you possibly say that, since it says exactly what I said, that the KJV has added "he" instead of just "I AM"? know what? Why dont you only read the greek and hebr then since all translations will rearrange sentences and add or remove words to make it readable in other langauges. That means you just said you cant quote ANY english translation AT ALL. And that means you have to shut up. Just†Me recomends: Romans 10:13 - “whoever calls on the name of the Lord shall be saved.” Some prophecies fullfilled by Jesus: [link to www.gotquestions.org (secure)] The bible for download: [link to rcbi-resources.yolasite.com] |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 60065642 Canada06/14/2022 05:16 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Ellicott's Commentary for English Readers Quoting: Anonymous Coward 60065642 If ye believe not that I am he.--The word "He" is not found in the Greek text, and this is marked by the italics in English; ...and since you quote a commentary that debunks your nonsense, How can you possibly say that, since it says exactly what I said, that the KJV has added "he" instead of just "I AM"? know what? Why dont you only read the greek and hebr then since all translations will rearrange sentences and add or remove words to make it readable in other langauges. That means you just said you cant quote ANY english translation AT ALL. And that means you have to shut up. There's no "he" in the Greek so there shouldn't be in English. That's all I'm saying. |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 79361424  United States06/14/2022 05:18 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | |
| Just†Me
(OP) User ID: 83653213 Norway06/14/2022 05:18 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | How can you possibly say that, since it says exactly what I said, that the KJV has added "he" instead of just "I AM"? know what? Why dont you only read the greek and hebr then since all translations will rearrange sentences and add or remove words to make it readable in other langauges. That means you just said you cant quote ANY english translation AT ALL. And that means you have to shut up. There's no "he" in the Greek so there shouldn't be in English. That's all I'm saying. No, you just told everyone here you cant quote or refer to ANY english translation of the bible AT ALL, because its the NATURE of a translation to rearrange sentences, add or remove words to convey the meaning of a translation into readable english (or to and from any other language). So since you decide to be stupid here, follow your own damn rules and shut up. Just†Me recomends: Romans 10:13 - “whoever calls on the name of the Lord shall be saved.” Some prophecies fullfilled by Jesus: [link to www.gotquestions.org (secure)] The bible for download: [link to rcbi-resources.yolasite.com] |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 60065642 Canada06/14/2022 05:19 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Oh boy, read Genesis 1, that is the Spirit of God - Holy Spirit. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 79361424 In the OT, where you see Angel of The Lord, its Jesus preincarnate. The Trinity is not an NT concept, the Trinity is an OT concept. Nope. The Spirit of God and the Angel of the Lord are the same person. That's not the trinity that's binity. There's no trinity in Gen 1:1-2. Only a binity. |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 60065642 Canada06/14/2022 05:21 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | ... Quoting: Anonymous Coward 60065642 How can you possibly say that, since it says exactly what I said, that the KJV has added "he" instead of just "I AM"? know what? Why dont you only read the greek and hebr then since all translations will rearrange sentences and add or remove words to make it readable in other langauges. That means you just said you cant quote ANY english translation AT ALL. And that means you have to shut up. There's no "he" in the Greek so there shouldn't be in English. That's all I'm saying. No, you just told everyone here you cant quote or refer to ANY english translation of the bible AT ALL, because its the NATURE of a translation to rearrange sentences, add or remove words to convey the meaning of a translation into readable english (or to and from any other language). So since you decide to be stupid here, follow your own damn rules and shut up. Derp. If you pick up ANY KJV at random and look at John 8:24 it will say "I am he" with "he" in italics INDICATING IT WAS *ADDED*. You refuse to accept this. You are delusional! |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 80376576 United States06/14/2022 06:01 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | KJV has added words.. which of course you know because we surely have been down this road before... which makes you dishonest. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 75523127 No it hasnt, and id love to school you on this. You love to school everyone on everything that doesn't align with everything you say. the KJV was composed by Sir Francis Bacon, a known Rosicrucian and Freemason master. It was then approved by King James, a gay, catholic 33 degree freemason. It was full of symbology on the pages..... this is exactly why it was rejected by masses of people, until they started getting persecuted and murdered for their rejection of it. There were countless translations of the bibles before the KJV was forced upon the people And this was done because of the times of the event, catholic against protestant.........everyone speaking and writing by code. Anyone who thinks the KJV wasn't a part of this mess is a fool. Which is a well known lie. 50 of Britains best scholars translated it into english for King James from the base text which is textus receptus. So get at it. Make a mockery out of yourself and attack it, and ill show you dont know what youre talking about. This is one of my favourite topics, so instead of talk the talk, walk the walk and get started. anyone who uses a "christinan" wikipeadia as their source of truth....... meh. Not worth my time. You probably authored II Timothy 3:16-17 |
| Servant-of-the-LORD
User ID: 83542070 United States06/14/2022 10:20 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | KJV: John 8:24 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 60065642 I said therefore unto you, that ye shall die in your sins: for if ye believe not that I am he*, ye shall die in your sins. He was added to the text. So now what was that about KJB not having extra text? 4 verses later - 'He' IS in the text. John 8:28 Then said Jesus unto them, When ye have lifted up the Son of man, then shall ye know that I am he, and that I do nothing of myself; but as my Father hath taught me, I speak these things. ..... 4. "I am" in the Greek means "I Exist". The interpretation of John 8:24 and 8:58 of Jesus supposedly claiming to be the "I AM" is wrong. The Greek word used in BOTH verses translates as "to exist". See here. [link to www.blueletterbible.org (secure)] ..... Thread: John 8:58 John 8:24 - "I am" means "I EXIST" from the Greek - KJV Bible Study I am a humble Servant of the one True Living God. |
| Servant-of-the-LORD
User ID: 83542070 United States06/14/2022 10:32 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Excerpts from the Pootine Bible The Conception of Jesus "Holy Spirit Jesus impregnated Mary with Himself". The Baptism of Jesus "Holy Spirit God Jesus spoke from heaven... ...then Holy Spirit Jesus landed on his own shoulder... ...filled himself WITH himslef... ...then LED himself into the wilderness" The Death of Jesus "Holy Spirit Jesus died on the Cross"?? "Holy Spirit Jesus was resurrected"???? The Day of Pentecost "And Holy Spirit Jesus danced on the heads of the Apostles and disciples on the day of Pentecost" ..... So...have you prayed to the Flaming Sword Holy Spirit God Jesus today??? I am a humble Servant of the one True Living God. |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 77505643 United States06/14/2022 10:33 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Quoting: Anonymous Coward 77505643 I accuse you of using a false translation, you link to Jahoba.org. This can only be the reply of the squandered potential of chauchat. So Ps 45:6 doesn't say, "Your throne is God forever, and ever....", yet here we see it rendered that way- [link to biblehub.com (secure)] and here too: [link to biblehub.com (secure)] Would something like that ever make you kyrioser and kyrioser so as to maybe even wonder things like,"Why the discrepancy between the actual meaning in H3br3w, and all these [so-called] 'Bible''translations' that don't say that"? |
| Servant-of-the-LORD
User ID: 83542070 United States06/14/2022 10:49 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | John 8:28 Then said Jesus unto them, When ye have lifted up the Son of man, then shall ye know that I am he, and that I do nothing of myself; but as my Father hath taught me, I speak these things. I am a humble Servant of the one True Living God. |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 77505643 United States06/14/2022 11:29 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | How can you possibly say that, since it says exactly what I said, that the KJV has added "he" instead of just "I AM"? know what? Why dont you only read the greek and hebr then since all translations will rearrange sentences and add or remove words to make it readable in other langauges. That means you just said you cant quote ANY english translation AT ALL. And that means you have to shut up. There's no "he" in the Greek so there shouldn't be in English. That's all I'm saying. In John 9:9. when asked if he was the man born blind that Jesus is said to have healed, "the man kept on saying "ego eimi" . But, [link to biblehub.com (secure)] - here is added ["he"] [IOW, "I am [he]", is what "Ego eimi" means, in English, whether it's born-blind guy saying it, or Jesus saying it]. Also , see here : [link to biblehub.com (secure)] - |
| Centex7
User ID: 83664424 United States06/15/2022 07:58 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | ... Quoting: Anonymous Coward 60065642 How can you possibly say that, since it says exactly what I said, that the KJV has added "he" instead of just "I AM"? know what? Why dont you only read the greek and hebr then since all translations will rearrange sentences and add or remove words to make it readable in other langauges. That means you just said you cant quote ANY english translation AT ALL. And that means you have to shut up. There's no "he" in the Greek so there shouldn't be in English. That's all I'm saying. In John 9:9. when asked if he was the man born blind that Jesus is said to have healed, "the man kept on saying "ego eimi" . But, [link to biblehub.com (secure)] - here is added ["he"] [IOW, "I am [he]", is what "Ego eimi" means, in English, whether it's born-blind guy saying it, or Jesus saying it]. Also , see here : [link to biblehub.com (secure)] - While you boys argue "he" or not, is the claim of healing true? Unknown, in any language. Do people have spontaneous healing absent a god? Yes! It is recognized medically. As well as misdiagnosed illness which never was. However, a spiritual being intervention is quite a high bar which is poorly crossed by Bible tales. |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 41227633 Canada06/15/2022 10:31 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | If you pick up ANY KJV at random and look at John 8:24 it will say "I am he" with "he" in italics INDICATING IT WAS *ADDED*. You refuse to accept this. You are delusional! Quoting: Anonymous Coward 60065642 John 8:28 Then said Jesus unto them, When ye have lifted up the Son of man, then shall ye know that I am he, and that I do nothing of myself; but as my Father hath taught me, I speak these things. What's your point, retard?  |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 41227633 Canada06/15/2022 10:32 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | KJV: John 8:24 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 60065642 I said therefore unto you, that ye shall die in your sins: for if ye believe not that I am he*, ye shall die in your sins. He was added to the text. So now what was that about KJB not having extra text? 4 verses later - 'He' IS in the text. But "He" was added into John 8:24. Deal with it, dum dum. |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 80376576 United States06/15/2022 11:28 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | ... Quoting: Just†Me know what? Why dont you only read the greek and hebr then since all translations will rearrange sentences and add or remove words to make it readable in other langauges. That means you just said you cant quote ANY english translation AT ALL. And that means you have to shut up. There's no "he" in the Greek so there shouldn't be in English. That's all I'm saying. In John 9:9. when asked if he was the man born blind that Jesus is said to have healed, "the man kept on saying "ego eimi" . But, [link to biblehub.com (secure)] - here is added ["he"] [IOW, "I am [he]", is what "Ego eimi" means, in English, whether it's born-blind guy saying it, or Jesus saying it]. Also , see here : [link to biblehub.com (secure)] - While you boys argue "he" or not, is the claim of healing true? Unknown, in any language. Do people have spontaneous healing absent a god? Yes! It is recognized medically. As well as misdiagnosed illness which never was. However, a spiritual being intervention is quite a high bar which is poorly crossed by Bible tales. That's a really interesting topic in and of itself. Deserves its own thread. Shall I ? |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 75628875 Canada06/15/2022 12:55 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | ... Quoting: Anonymous Coward 60065642 There's no "he" in the Greek so there shouldn't be in English. That's all I'm saying. In John 9:9. when asked if he was the man born blind that Jesus is said to have healed, "the man kept on saying "ego eimi" . But, [link to biblehub.com (secure)] - here is added ["he"] [IOW, "I am [he]", is what "Ego eimi" means, in English, whether it's born-blind guy saying it, or Jesus saying it]. Also , see here : [link to biblehub.com (secure)] - While you boys argue "he" or not, is the claim of healing true? Unknown, in any language. Do people have spontaneous healing absent a god? Yes! It is recognized medically. As well as misdiagnosed illness which never was. However, a spiritual being intervention is quite a high bar which is poorly crossed by Bible tales. That's a really interesting topic in and of itself. Deserves its own thread. Shall I ? Na |
