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Jesus in the old testament (Tanak)

 
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Thats where we get into the trinity, Jesus is the WORD made flesh (John 1),
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There's no trinity in John 1, retard.

There's no trinity in the Bible. Jesus yes, trinity no.

It's about Jesus. Not the trinity.
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Yes there is.
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NO THERE ISN'T.

Matthew 11:27
All things have been entrusted to Me by My Father. No one knows the Son except the Father, and no one knows the Father except the Son and anyone to whom the Son desires to reveal Him.
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Cult members reject Jesus not the trinity.

Trinitarians reject Jesus because Jesus is not "part of a trinity" or "a trinity" and YOUR Jesus is merely a part of "the trinity".
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No, cult members trough history has rejected the trinity, and because of that their view of Jesus varies from Jesus being the one God or Jesus just being a man, which are all wrong.

Jesus IS part of the trinity beside the Father and the spirit, he is the eternal son of God which is across the old testament, the WORD that became flesh as John 1 states.
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There's no trinity in John 1, retard.

There's no trinity in the Bible. Jesus yes, trinity no.

It's about Jesus. Not the trinity.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 79621974


Yes there is.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 74928758


NO THERE ISN'T.

Matthew 11:27
All things have been entrusted to Me by My Father. No one knows the Son except the Father, and no one knows the Father except the Son and anyone to whom the Son desires to reveal Him.
 Quoting: Just†Me


And how does this debunk the trinity? This AFFIRMS the trinity. You dont have the spirit here, want me to help you find a verse so we can have all 3 members of the trinity in print?
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Cult members reject Jesus not the trinity.

Trinitarians reject Jesus because Jesus is not "part of a trinity" or "a trinity" and YOUR Jesus is merely a part of "the trinity".
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 74928758


No, cult members trough history has rejected the trinity, and because of that their view of Jesus varies from Jesus being the one God or Jesus just being a man, which are all wrong.

Jesus IS part of the trinity beside the Father and the spirit, he is the eternal son of God which is across the old testament, the WORD that became flesh as John 1 states.
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There's no trinity in John 1 retard.

Jesus is the true God he's not part of anything, retard.

Jesus isn't a trinity or part of a trinity.

Stop LYING.

You SPOIL every post you make about Jesus by saying trinity.

LIAR.
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Oh and 1 star...
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1 star for teaching sound theology, well that says alot about the state of people on this forum.
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Yes there is.
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NO THERE ISN'T.

Matthew 11:27
All things have been entrusted to Me by My Father. No one knows the Son except the Father, and no one knows the Father except the Son and anyone to whom the Son desires to reveal Him.
 Quoting: Just†Me


And how does this debunk the trinity? This AFFIRMS the trinity. You dont have the spirit here, want me to help you find a verse so we can have all 3 members of the trinity in print?
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NO ONE KNOWS THE FATHER EXCEPT THE SON AND ANYONE WHO THE SON DESIRES TO REVEAL HIM. YOUR "THIRD PERSON" DOESN'T KNOW THE FATHER, HE WOULD NEED THE SON TO REVEAL HIM TO THEM.

THUS, NO TRINITY, ACCORDING TO JESUS.

YOU'RE IN DENIAL.
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BORING.

WHAT A BORING GODDAMN RELIGION YOU GUYS HAVE CHOSEN TO FOLLOW.
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Cult members reject Jesus not the trinity.

Trinitarians reject Jesus because Jesus is not "part of a trinity" or "a trinity" and YOUR Jesus is merely a part of "the trinity".
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 74928758


No, cult members trough history has rejected the trinity, and because of that their view of Jesus varies from Jesus being the one God or Jesus just being a man, which are all wrong.

Jesus IS part of the trinity beside the Father and the spirit, he is the eternal son of God which is across the old testament, the WORD that became flesh as John 1 states.
 Quoting: Just†Me


There's no trinity in John 1 retard.

Jesus is the true God he's not part of anything, retard.

Jesus isn't a trinity or part of a trinity.

Stop LYING.

You SPOIL every post you make about Jesus by saying trinity.

LIAR.
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Well the fullness of God dwells in Jesus so when we refer to God we can just say Jesus. Still though, trinity is basic christian doctrine and a key to seperate the cults, or the goats, from the christians (the sheep).

John 1:1 - "In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God."

Heres 2 of the 3 that makes up the trinity, all being God.

Genesis 1:26 - Let US make man in OUR image.

Angels did not make man, yet a plurality is speaking. So who?
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Cult members reject Jesus not the trinity.

Trinitarians reject Jesus because Jesus is not "part of a trinity" or "a trinity" and YOUR Jesus is merely a part of "the trinity".
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 74928758


No, cult members trough history has rejected the trinity,
 Quoting: Just†Me


THE FIRST CHRISTIANS WERE NOT TRINITARIAN. ONLY AN IGNORANT FOOL OR A LIAR WOULD SAY THEY WERE.

SO HOW COULD CULTISTS DENY THE TRINITY, RETARD? TRINITARIANS ARE THE CULTISTS! THEY DENY JESUS!
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Cult members reject Jesus not the trinity.

Trinitarians reject Jesus because Jesus is not "part of a trinity" or "a trinity" and YOUR Jesus is merely a part of "the trinity".
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 74928758


No, cult members trough history has rejected the trinity, and because of that their view of Jesus varies from Jesus being the one God or Jesus just being a man, which are all wrong.

Jesus IS part of the trinity beside the Father and the spirit, he is the eternal son of God which is across the old testament, the WORD that became flesh as John 1 states.
 Quoting: Just†Me


There's no trinity in John 1 retard.

Jesus is the true God he's not part of anything, retard.

Jesus isn't a trinity or part of a trinity.

Stop LYING.

You SPOIL every post you make about Jesus by saying trinity.

LIAR.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 74928758


Well the fullness of God dwells in Jesus so when we refer to God we can just say Jesus. Still though, trinity is basic christian doctrine and a key to seperate the cults, or the goats, from the christians (the sheep).

John 1:1 - "In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God."

Heres 2 of the 3 that makes up the trinity, all being God.

Genesis 1:26 - Let US make man in OUR image.

Angels did not make man, yet a plurality is speaking. So who?

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Matthew 11:27
All things have been entrusted to Me by My Father. No one knows the Son except the Father, and no one knows the Father except the Son and anyone to whom the Son desires to reveal Him.


JESUS SAID NO ONE KNOWS THE FATHER EXCEPT THE SON.

NO THIRD PERSON INVOLVED IN ANYTHING.

DEAL WITH IT.
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Jesus would pray to the God of the OT, he was not Him iamwith
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Thats where we get into the trinity, Jesus is the WORD made flesh (John 1), that is not the same as the Father, but they are ONE (as John 10:30 states). The video also go into this, please watch.
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Actually thats where we get into idolatry...
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No we're not. But it looks like you are since you reject the God of the bible. Then something else has taken the place belonging to him. Care to share what?
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Trinity is NOT the God of the bible. Trinity is idolatry

My God, the One true God is YHWH.

My fealty and loyalty to YHWH is utterly pure and untainted.
No men, mangod, animals, statues are in anyway allowed to be annexed into (being God or part of God in any way shape or form either directly or indirectly.

Miracles dont matter. Resurection doesnt matter. No miracle can ever make it okay to resort to idolatry per Deut 13.
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NO THERE ISN'T.

Matthew 11:27
All things have been entrusted to Me by My Father. No one knows the Son except the Father, and no one knows the Father except the Son and anyone to whom the Son desires to reveal Him.
 Quoting: Just†Me


And how does this debunk the trinity? This AFFIRMS the trinity. You dont have the spirit here, want me to help you find a verse so we can have all 3 members of the trinity in print?
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NO ONE KNOWS THE FATHER EXCEPT THE SON AND ANYONE WHO THE SON DESIRES TO REVEAL HIM. YOUR "THIRD PERSON" DOESN'T KNOW THE FATHER, HE WOULD NEED THE SON TO REVEAL HIM TO THEM.

THUS, NO TRINITY, ACCORDING TO JESUS.

YOU'RE IN DENIAL.
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Ahh... youre playing word games?

Ok, if you dont utter any words here, we cant know what you think. Christ is GODS WORD. So knowing God is knowing his WORD, which is Christ.

When it speaks of noone it speaks of men like you or me, not the spirit, the spirit is not seperate from Christ or the Father, they are ONE.

You are simply trying to play ignorant by twisting scripture. Thats neither smart or clever, and you are just heaping judgement on yourself.
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And how does this debunk the trinity? This AFFIRMS the trinity. You dont have the spirit here, want me to help you find a verse so we can have all 3 members of the trinity in print?
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NO ONE KNOWS THE FATHER EXCEPT THE SON AND ANYONE WHO THE SON DESIRES TO REVEAL HIM. YOUR "THIRD PERSON" DOESN'T KNOW THE FATHER, HE WOULD NEED THE SON TO REVEAL HIM TO THEM.

THUS, NO TRINITY, ACCORDING TO JESUS.

YOU'RE IN DENIAL.
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Ahh... youre playing word games?

Ok, if you dont utter any words here, we cant know what you think. Christ is GODS WORD. So knowing God is knowing his WORD, which is Christ.

When it speaks of noone it speaks of men like you or me, not the spirit, the spirit is not seperate from Christ or the Father, they are ONE.

You are simply trying to play ignorant by twisting scripture. Thats neither smart or clever, and you are just heaping judgement on yourself.

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Shut up idiot, Jesus said no third person is involved in anything or knows the Father or the Son. That's not 'word games' that's plain truth straight from Jesus.

Keep on deluding yourself though, retard.
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Cult members reject Jesus not the trinity.

Trinitarians reject Jesus because Jesus is not "part of a trinity" or "a trinity" and YOUR Jesus is merely a part of "the trinity".
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 74928758


No, cult members trough history has rejected the trinity,
 Quoting: Just†Me


THE FIRST CHRISTIANS WERE NOT TRINITARIAN. ONLY AN IGNORANT FOOL OR A LIAR WOULD SAY THEY WERE.

SO HOW COULD CULTISTS DENY THE TRINITY, RETARD? TRINITARIANS ARE THE CULTISTS! THEY DENY JESUS!
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The liar here are you.

We have lots of writings of the church fathers, beside the bible itself, they all affirm the trinity.

Ignatius (died: 110 AD): *Study, therefore, to be established in the doctrines of the Lord and
the apostles, that so all things, whatsoever ye do, may prosper both in the flesh and spirit; in
faith and love; in the Son, and in the Father, and in the Spirit; in the beginning and in the
end; with your most admirable bishop, and the well-compacted spiritual crown of your
presbytery, and the deacons who are according to God. Be ye subject to the bishop, and to
one another, as Jesus Christ to the Father, according to the flesh, and the apostles to Christ,
and to the Father, and to the Spirit; that so there may be a union both fleshly and spiritual.
—Epistle to the Magnesians, Chapter 13*
Didache (died: around 150 AD): *After the foregoing instructions, baptize in the name of the
Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Spirit, in living [running] water…. If you have neither,
pour water three times on the head, in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the
Holy Spirit. —Didache 7:1*
Polycarp (died: 155 AD): *For this cause, yea and for all things, I praise Thee, I bless Thee, I
glorify Thee, through the eternal and heavenly High-priest, Jesus Christ, Thy beloved Son,
through whom with Him and the Holy Spirit be glory both now [and ever] and for the ages to
come. Amen. —Martyrdom of Polycarp 14:3*
Theophilos (died: 181 AD): *...the three days before the luminaries were created are types of
the Trinity, God, his Word, and his Wisdom. —To Autolycus 2:15*
Tertullian (died: 215 AD): *And at the same time the mystery of the oikonomia is
safeguarded, for the unity is distributed in a Trinity. Placed in order, the three are the Father,
Son, and Spirit. They are three, however, not in condition, but in degree; not in being, but in
form; not in power, but in kind; of one being, however, and one condition and one power,
because he is one God of whom degrees and forms and kinds are taken into account in the
name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Spirit. —Against Praxeas 2*
Hippolytus (died: 220 AD): *The Father's Word, therefore, knowing the economy and the will
of the Father, to wit, that the Father seeks to be worshipped in none other way than this,
gave this charge to the disciples after he rose from the dead: "Go ye and teach all nations,
baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost." (Matt
28:19) And by this he showed that whosoever omitted any one of these, failed in glorifying
God perfectly. For it is through the Trinity that the Father is glorified. For the Father willed,
the Son did and the Spirit manifested. —Against Noetus*
Origen (died: 225 AD): *For it is the Trinity alone which exceeds every sense in which not
only temporal but even eternal may be understood. It is all other things, indeed, which are
outside the Trinity, which are to be measured by time and ages.... It seems right to inquire
into the reason why he who is 'born again through God' to salvation has need of both Father
and Son and Holy Spirit and will not obtain salvation apart from the entire Trinity, and why it
is impossible to become partaker of the Father or the Son without the Holy Spirit. In
discussing these points it will undoubtedly be necessary to describe the activity which is
peculiar to the Holy Spirit and that which is peculiar to the Father and Son.*
Novatian (died: 256 AD): *For Scripture as much announces Christ as also God, as it
announces God himself as man. It has as much described Jesus Christ to be man, as
moreover it has also described Christ the Lord to be God. Because it does not set forth him
to be the Son of God only, but also the son of man; nor does it only say, the son of man, but
it has also been accustomed to speak of him as the Son of God. So that being of both, he is
both, lest if he should be one only, he could not be the other. For as nature itself has
prescribed that he must be believed to be a man who is of man, so the same nature
prescribes also that he must be believed to be God who is of God…. Let them, therefore,
who read that Jesus Christ the son of man is man, read also that this same Jesus is called
also God and the Son of God. —Treatise on the Trinity, 11*
Pope Dionysius (died: 262 AD): *Next, I may reasonably turn to those who divide and cut to
pieces and destroy that most sacred doctrine of the Church of God, the Divine Monarchy,
making it as it were three powers and partive subsistences and godheads. I am told that
some among you who are catechists and teachers of the Divine Word, take the lead in this
tenet, who are diametrically opposed, so to speak, to Sabellius' opininons; for he
blasphemously says that the Son is the Father, and Father the Son, but they in some sort
preach three Gods, as dividing the sacred Unity into three subsistences foreign to each other
and utterly separate. For it must be that with the God of the Universe, the Divine Word is
united, and the Holy Ghost must repose and habitate in God; thus in one as in a summit, I
mean the God of the Universe, must the Divine Trinity be gathered up and brought
together....Neither, then, may we divide into three godheads the wonderful and divine
Unity...Rather, we must believe in God, the Father Almighty; and in Christ Jesus, his Son;
and in the Holy Spirit; and that the Word is united to the God of the universe. 'For,' he says,
'The Father and I are one,' and 'I am in the Father, and the Father in me'. For thus both the
Divine Trinity and the holy preaching of the Monarchy will be preserved. —'De decretis Nic.
syn.26*
Bishop Gregory of Neocaesarea (died: 265 AD): *There is one God.... There is a perfect
Trinity, in glory and eternity and sovereignty, neither divided nor estranged. Wherefore there
is nothing either created or in servitude in the Trinity; nor anything super-induced, as if at
some former period it was non-existent, and at some later period it was introduced. And thus
neither was the Son ever wanting to the Father, nor the Spirit to the Son; but without
variation and without change, the same Trinity abides ever. —Declaration of Faith.*
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Trinitarians are worse than Jahoba witnesses

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Jesus would pray to the God of the OT, he was not Him iamwith
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Thats where we get into the trinity, Jesus is the WORD made flesh (John 1), that is not the same as the Father, but they are ONE (as John 10:30 states). The video also go into this, please watch.
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The Hindu trinity makes much more sense. But, I'm the only one here that knows that.
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Jesus would pray to the God of the OT, he was not Him iamwith
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 76699889


Thats where we get into the trinity, Jesus is the WORD made flesh (John 1), that is not the same as the Father, but they are ONE (as John 10:30 states). The video also go into this, please watch.
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The Hindu trinity makes much more sense. But, I'm the only one here that knows that.
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Yep, imagine calling yourself a Christian but teaching people that the true God is the Hindu god.
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BORING.

WHAT A BORING GODDAMN RELIGION YOU GUYS HAVE CHOSEN TO FOLLOW.
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Then its not for you. I dont find this boring at all.
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Cult members reject Jesus not the trinity.

Trinitarians reject Jesus because Jesus is not "part of a trinity" or "a trinity" and YOUR Jesus is merely a part of "the trinity".
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 74928758


No, cult members trough history has rejected the trinity,
 Quoting: Just†Me


THE FIRST CHRISTIANS WERE NOT TRINITARIAN. ONLY AN IGNORANT FOOL OR A LIAR WOULD SAY THEY WERE.

SO HOW COULD CULTISTS DENY THE TRINITY, RETARD? TRINITARIANS ARE THE CULTISTS! THEY DENY JESUS!
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 74928758


The liar here are you.



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THE FIRST CHRISTIANS WERE NOT TRINITARIAN. ONLY AN IGNORANT FOOL OR A LIAR WOULD SAY THEY WERE.
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No, cult members trough history has rejected the trinity,
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THE FIRST CHRISTIANS WERE NOT TRINITARIAN. ONLY AN IGNORANT FOOL OR A LIAR WOULD SAY THEY WERE.

SO HOW COULD CULTISTS DENY THE TRINITY, RETARD? TRINITARIANS ARE THE CULTISTS! THEY DENY JESUS!
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 74928758


The liar here are you.



 Quoting: Just†Me


THE FIRST CHRISTIANS WERE NOT TRINITARIAN. ONLY AN IGNORANT FOOL OR A LIAR WOULD SAY THEY WERE.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 74928758


As documented they were trinitarians, and no wonder since thats what the bible teach. Plain and simple. In fact, lets take another lecture on this while we're at it, and why not a lecture only focusing on the old testament since its all over the new testament anyway:


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Cult members reject Jesus not the trinity.

Trinitarians reject Jesus because Jesus is not "part of a trinity" or "a trinity" and YOUR Jesus is merely a part of "the trinity".
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 74928758


No, cult members trough history has rejected the trinity,
 Quoting: Just†Me


THE FIRST CHRISTIANS WERE NOT TRINITARIAN. ONLY AN IGNORANT FOOL OR A LIAR WOULD SAY THEY WERE.

SO HOW COULD CULTISTS DENY THE TRINITY, RETARD? TRINITARIANS ARE THE CULTISTS! THEY DENY JESUS!
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 74928758


The liar here are you.

We have lots of writings of the church fathers, beside the bible itself, they all affirm the trinity.

Ignatius (died: 110 AD): *Study, therefore, to be established in the doctrines of the Lord and
the apostles, that so all things, whatsoever ye do, may prosper both in the flesh and spirit; in
faith and love; in the Son, and in the Father, and in the Spirit; in the beginning and in the
end; with your most admirable bishop, and the well-compacted spiritual crown of your
presbytery, and the deacons who are according to God. Be ye subject to the bishop, and to
one another, as Jesus Christ to the Father, according to the flesh, and the apostles to Christ,
and to the Father, and to the Spirit; that so there may be a union both fleshly and spiritual.
—Epistle to the Magnesians, Chapter 13*
Didache (died: around 150 AD): *After the foregoing instructions, baptize in the name of the
Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Spirit, in living [running] water…. If you have neither,
pour water three times on the head, in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the
Holy Spirit. —Didache 7:1*
Polycarp (died: 155 AD): *For this cause, yea and for all things, I praise Thee, I bless Thee, I
glorify Thee, through the eternal and heavenly High-priest, Jesus Christ, Thy beloved Son,
through whom with Him and the Holy Spirit be glory both now [and ever] and for the ages to
come. Amen. —Martyrdom of Polycarp 14:3*
Theophilos (died: 181 AD): *...the three days before the luminaries were created are types of
the Trinity, God, his Word, and his Wisdom. —To Autolycus 2:15*
Tertullian (died: 215 AD): *And at the same time the mystery of the oikonomia is
safeguarded, for the unity is distributed in a Trinity. Placed in order, the three are the Father,
Son, and Spirit. They are three, however, not in condition, but in degree; not in being, but in
form; not in power, but in kind; of one being, however, and one condition and one power,
because he is one God of whom degrees and forms and kinds are taken into account in the
name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Spirit. —Against Praxeas 2*
Hippolytus (died: 220 AD): *The Father's Word, therefore, knowing the economy and the will
of the Father, to wit, that the Father seeks to be worshipped in none other way than this,
gave this charge to the disciples after he rose from the dead: "Go ye and teach all nations,
baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost." (Matt
28:19) And by this he showed that whosoever omitted any one of these, failed in glorifying
God perfectly. For it is through the Trinity that the Father is glorified. For the Father willed,
the Son did and the Spirit manifested. —Against Noetus*
Origen (died: 225 AD): *For it is the Trinity alone which exceeds every sense in which not
only temporal but even eternal may be understood. It is all other things, indeed, which are
outside the Trinity, which are to be measured by time and ages.... It seems right to inquire
into the reason why he who is 'born again through God' to salvation has need of both Father
and Son and Holy Spirit and will not obtain salvation apart from the entire Trinity, and why it
is impossible to become partaker of the Father or the Son without the Holy Spirit. In
discussing these points it will undoubtedly be necessary to describe the activity which is
peculiar to the Holy Spirit and that which is peculiar to the Father and Son.*
Novatian (died: 256 AD): *For Scripture as much announces Christ as also God, as it
announces God himself as man. It has as much described Jesus Christ to be man, as
moreover it has also described Christ the Lord to be God. Because it does not set forth him
to be the Son of God only, but also the son of man; nor does it only say, the son of man, but
it has also been accustomed to speak of him as the Son of God. So that being of both, he is
both, lest if he should be one only, he could not be the other. For as nature itself has
prescribed that he must be believed to be a man who is of man, so the same nature
prescribes also that he must be believed to be God who is of God…. Let them, therefore,
who read that Jesus Christ the son of man is man, read also that this same Jesus is called
also God and the Son of God. —Treatise on the Trinity, 11*
Pope Dionysius (died: 262 AD): *Next, I may reasonably turn to those who divide and cut to
pieces and destroy that most sacred doctrine of the Church of God, the Divine Monarchy,
making it as it were three powers and partive subsistences and godheads. I am told that
some among you who are catechists and teachers of the Divine Word, take the lead in this
tenet, who are diametrically opposed, so to speak, to Sabellius' opininons; for he
blasphemously says that the Son is the Father, and Father the Son, but they in some sort
preach three Gods, as dividing the sacred Unity into three subsistences foreign to each other
and utterly separate. For it must be that with the God of the Universe, the Divine Word is
united, and the Holy Ghost must repose and habitate in God; thus in one as in a summit, I
mean the God of the Universe, must the Divine Trinity be gathered up and brought
together....Neither, then, may we divide into three godheads the wonderful and divine
Unity...Rather, we must believe in God, the Father Almighty; and in Christ Jesus, his Son;
and in the Holy Spirit; and that the Word is united to the God of the universe. 'For,' he says,
'The Father and I are one,' and 'I am in the Father, and the Father in me'. For thus both the
Divine Trinity and the holy preaching of the Monarchy will be preserved. —'De decretis Nic.
syn.26*
Bishop Gregory of Neocaesarea (died: 265 AD): *There is one God.... There is a perfect
Trinity, in glory and eternity and sovereignty, neither divided nor estranged. Wherefore there
is nothing either created or in servitude in the Trinity; nor anything super-induced, as if at
some former period it was non-existent, and at some later period it was introduced. And thus
neither was the Son ever wanting to the Father, nor the Spirit to the Son; but without
variation and without change, the same Trinity abides ever. —Declaration of Faith.*
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ignatious died 110ad. You have him as your earliest "church father"

Well i got news for you. Ignatius did not believe in the trinity as it has been defined for nearly 1700 years

He believed in subordinationism. Only Father YHWH was legit God to Ignatious and he saw jesus as lesser and subordinate to YHWH. Same with any references to spirit. Over and over ignatious declares only YHWH Father is the one most high God with no equal

Trinity teaches coequal/coeternal
Makes a man into being God or some part of God

Idolatry

Ignatious would be seen as a total heretic to any modern christian church.

You are going to have to try harder

Anything after 100ad is not really (early church) not really. Not when thr church started at pentecost in the 30's AD.
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ignatious died 110ad. You have him as your earliest "church father"

Well i got news for you. Ignatius did not believe in the trinity as it has been defined for nearly 1700 years

He believed in subordinationism. Only Father YHWH was legit God to Ignatious and he saw jesus as lesser and subordinate to YHWH. Same with any references to spirit. Over and over ignatious declares only YHWH Father is the one most high God with no equal

Trinity teaches coequal/coeternal
Makes a man into being God or some part of God

Idolatry

Ignatious would be seen as a total heretic to any modern christian church.

You are going to have to try harder

Anything after 100ad is not really (early church) not really. Not when thr church started at pentecost in the 30's AD.
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Ignatius:

“there are not then either three Fathers, or three Sons, or three Paracletes, but one Father, and one Son, and one Paraclete . . . into three possessed of equal honor.”

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Before 100 ad theres very little written, the church was small and still in the beginning stages, which means you have to just make up things since you dont have anyone denying the trinity from that time, and the bible teach the trinity.

So any particular reason you decide to lie?

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So youre a pagan. The true God is a trinity, thats what cult members reject, but thats what true christians believe and what the bible teach, so ofcourse you refuse to listen to this. Then i suggest you leave, because you have nothing to contribute here.
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Christians have been so much lost, you prove it again. Too bad for all of you neither Jesus nor his first disciples were christians.
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Christian means follower of Christ and were first given in Antioch so youre right, but later Christian came to mean a follower of Christ.

As for you, what pagan religion do you follow?
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Christian means follower of CHRIST. NOT "THE TRINITY".

CHOOSE BETWEEN THEM CAREFULLY. PAGAN...
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And the fullness of God, the trinity, is in Christ, which we follow. You rejecting the God of the bible and what he reveals about himself makes you the pagan, not me.
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The Cross in the Old Testament is also a fine topic.
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Melchizedek

Genesis Chapter 14

18 And Melchizedek king of Salem brought forth bread and wine: and he was the priest of the most high God.

19 And he blessed him, and said, Blessed be Abram of the most high God, possessor of heaven and earth:

20 And blessed be the most high God, which hath delivered thine enemies into thy hand. And he gave him tithes of all.

What the Bible says about Tammuz
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What does the worship of Tammuz have to do with the sign of the cross? According to historian Alexander Hislop, Tammuz was intimately associated with the Babylonian mystery religions begun by the worship of Nimrod, Semiramis, and her illegitimate son, Horus. The original form of the Babylonian letter T was † (tau), identical to the crosses used today in this world's Christianity. This was the initial of Tammuz. Referring to this sign of Tammuz, Hislop writes:

That mystic Tau was marked in baptism on the foreheads of those initiated into the Mysteries. . . . The Vestal virgins of Pagan Rome wore it suspended from their necklaces, as the nuns do now. . . . There is hardly a Pagan tribe where the cross has not been found. . . . [T]he X which in itself was not an unnatural symbol of Christ, the true Messiah, and which had once been regarded as such, was allowed to go entirely into disuse, and the Tau, "†", the sign of the cross, the indisputable sign of Tammuz, the false Messiah, was everywhere substituted in its stead. (The Two Babylons, 1959, p. 198-199, 204-205) [link to www.bibletools.org (secure)]

2 Kings 17:12
For they served idols, whereof the LORD had said unto them, Ye shall not do this thing.
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Superb post! Hislops The Two Babylons is a classic!

The cross is definetly a symbol of the sun god Nimrod/Tammuz. They would offer human sacrifices to tammuz on the cross. When Jesus died on the cross and rose again, he not only defeated death, but he defeated satans babylon mystery religion as well!
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No theologian in the first three Christian centuries was a trinitarian in the sense of a believing that the one God is tripersonal, containing equally divine “persons”, Father, Son, and Holy Spirit.

The terms we translate as “Trinity” (Latin: trinitas, Greek: trias) seem to have come into use only in the last two decades of the second century; but such usage doesn’t reflect trinitarian belief.

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And the fullness of God, the trinity, is in Christ, which we follow.
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You're literally making stuff up.

Nowhere does it say that in the Bible.

The Father dwells in Christ, not "the trinity".

You fukking liar!
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No theologian in the first three Christian centuries was a trinitarian in the sense of a believing that the one God is tripersonal, containing equally divine “persons”, Father, Son, and Holy Spirit.

The terms we translate as “Trinity” (Latin: trinitas, Greek: trias) seem to have come into use only in the last two decades of the second century; but such usage doesn’t reflect trinitarian belief.

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This is a false revision of history.
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Thats where we get into the trinity, Jesus is the WORD made flesh (John 1), that is not the same as the Father, but they are ONE (as John 10:30 states). The video also go into this, please watch.
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I know the Bible, no need to listen to anybody.
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If you by that mean Jesus was not the Father, ok, but he is God that was made flesh.
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There is no trinity of God in MONOtheism, get it in your thick skulls pagans!
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^^^^
this guy don't know bout hyperdinensions
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In the old testament the worship of God YHVH was the way. When Jesus (Yahshua the deliverer/saviour) who is the image of God YHVH came in the flesh, the worship of Jesus (Yahshua h3br3w) became the way. In the old testament, YHVH put his spirit upon the prophets and his people. In the new testament Jesus puts the Holy Ghost upon his people.

The summary is their is One God YHVH, Jesus is his image, God YHVH come in the flesh. God YHVH, Jesus and the Holy Ghost all are one, and come from the same spirit which is the Alpha and Omega YHVH.

When the Holy Ghost comes upon us, it leads us to the worship of Jesus Christ, we dont worship the Holy Ghost, as the Holy Ghost brings us to the worship of Jesus.

When God YHVH spirit fell on Jeremiah for say, the spirit brought Jeremiah to worship God YHVH.

The catholic babylonian church literally worship the Holy Ghost, and it causes much confusion, but their trinity comes from babylon.

I pray only to Yahshua Messiah (Jesus Christ)
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And the fullness of God, the trinity, is in Christ, which we follow.
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You're literally making stuff up.

Nowhere does it say that in the Bible.

The Father dwells in Christ, not "the trinity".

You fukking liar!
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ONE MEDIATOR (GO BETWEEN) BETWEEN GOD AND MAN.

NOT TWO MEDIATORS.

THE FATHER ALONE DWELLS IN CHRIST. NOT "THE TRINITY" OR "TWO PARTS OF THE TRINITY" ETC.





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