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Most Work Is Pointless, But People Still Get Paid For It. Might As Well Have UBI and Less Bullshit Jobs.

 
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Bullshit Jobs: A Theory is a 2018 book by anthropologist David Graeber that postulates the existence of meaningless jobs and analyzes their societal harm. He contends that over half of societal work is pointless, and becomes psychologically destructive when paired with a work ethic that associates work with self-worth.

In Bullshit Jobs, American anthropologist David Graeber posits that the productivity benefits of automation have not led to a 15-hour workweek, as predicted by economist John Maynard Keynes in 1930, but instead to "bullshit jobs": "a form of paid employment that is so completely pointless, unnecessary, or pernicious that even the employee cannot justify its existence even though, as part of the conditions of employment, the employee feels obliged to pretend that this is not the case."[1] While these jobs can offer good compensation and ample free time, Graeber holds that the pointlessness of the work grates at their humanity and creates a "profound psychological violence".[1]

In society, he credits the Puritan-capitalist work ethic for making the labor of capitalism into religious duty: that workers did not reap advances in productivity as a reduced workday because, as a societal norm, they believe that work determines their self-worth, even as they find that work pointless.

Bullshit jobs also serve political ends, in which political parties are more concerned about having jobs than whether the jobs are fulfilling. In addition, he contends, populations occupied with busy work have less time to revolt.[3]

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Nice post, OP. Spot on. We should all be working maximum 20 hour workweeks…
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I used to be a manager at Amazon and 75% of my time on job was creating fraudulent reports to explain how I was spending my time helping the company.

The irony.

Edit: the other 25% was dominating the entire warehouse at foosball in the breakroom. I was the foosball champ.
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It’s funny. I am a bit of a psychic and I was going to write a thread on this today without the benefit of academic cover bit nice to have.

It’s all about domination and control. Forcing you into the hierarchy and making you belong. You need to me managed and if you play along you can rise and manage people too. It’s all about the whole slave system that’s been in place for millennium. It’s absurd and anti-human. Unspiritual. All material and ego. Got Satan? He is real folks. Very real. Nothing to do with pedophilia and sadism, that’s more of Lucifer’s bag. Satan is Ahriman.
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Boom. Truth.
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Facts
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The boomar generation was so spoiled and entitled, they could buy a house, start a family, afford 2 cars, and live a great life for doing jack shit at their office jobs. Just a bunch of pencil pushers who spent most of their time thinking of ways to fake and pretend that work was done without actually doing anything produtive.

These days you can be a genius rockstar in business but you have to settle for peanuts and will never be able to afford your own house.
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UBI is fine. But most people are told to love their slavery so they are against it. Because it's "communist".

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Most work is so a handful of people can get mega rich off of your work.
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I guess I am doing all the work, hunh.
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Some people just need to be slaves, otherwise they'll just sit around and let their life waste away. Just don't impose this on the rest of us, thanks.
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uhhh, bu then people would be free, and have free time. the whole point of the system is so that does not happen.

Humans with free time = have tasted freedom and are uncontrollable, dangerous creators.
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Human interaction is a big selling point.
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You useless eater haters need to get over yourselves, because you’re most likely useless eaters too by your definition.
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Agreed...

Remove all other benefits

Let actual contracting commence
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You mean people can still look at the inflation created by the government creating cash and still thing a UBI system can function let alone be anything they would want.

Until we build nanomachines to rip apart and assemble molecular structures and then make replicators like in Star Trek. UBI will end up being no different then communist ration cards. You will end up having a equal share of nothing.

You have to have enough goods and resources for everyone at any given time or the whole system comes apart. The reason capitalism and the other systems exist is because there are not enough resources for everyone to live equally and have anything.

Last Edited by themessengernevermatters on 06/26/2022 01:12 PM
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You mean people can still look at the inflation created by the government creating cash and still thing a UBI system can function let alone be anything they would want.

Until we build nanomachines to rip apart and assemble molecules and then make replicators like in Star Trek. UBI will end up being no different then communist ration cards. You will end up having a equal share of nothing.

You have to have enough goods and resources for everyone at any given time or the whole system comes apart. The reason capitalism and the other systems exist is because there are not enough resources for everyone to live equally and have anything.
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The same people telling you about inflation are the same people giving all the money to their friends, family, etc...

You just haven't figured that out yet...

Even in rural North Carolina they know of record profits to corporations through all of this supposed inflation...

You think m1 matters, no, m2 matters
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You mean people can still look at the inflation created by the government creating cash and still thing a UBI system can function let alone be anything they would want.

Until we build nanomachines to rip apart and assemble molecules and then make replicators like in Star Trek. UBI will end up being no different then communist ration cards. You will end up having a equal share of nothing.

You have to have enough goods and resources for everyone at any given time or the whole system comes apart. The reason capitalism and the other systems exist is because there are not enough resources for everyone to live equally and have anything.
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You don’t get it. There wouldn’t be extra money added to the system. The people getting paid for pointless work would just stop doing pointless work for a paycheck, since UBI would cover their basic expenses.
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Gibsmedat..
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You mean people can still look at the inflation created by the government creating cash and still thing a UBI system can function let alone be anything they would want.

Until we build nanomachines to rip apart and assemble molecules and then make replicators like in Star Trek. UBI will end up being no different then communist ration cards. You will end up having a equal share of nothing.

You have to have enough goods and resources for everyone at any given time or the whole system comes apart. The reason capitalism and the other systems exist is because there are not enough resources for everyone to live equally and have anything.
 Quoting: themessengernevermatters


The same people telling you about inflation are the same people giving all the money to their friends, family, etc...

You just haven't figured that out yet...

Even in rural North Carolina they know of record profits to corporations through all of this supposed inflation...

You think m1 matters, no, m2 matters
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They give all the cash to their friends but none to you because of the truth of inflation. There is not enough stuff for all of the people. If you divvy it all up equally you will have nothing. Nothing you would want anyway.

That is what the communist countries could never get around and in the end like Cuba and the old soviet union, the people get the shaft of scarcity.

Human have to get a hell of a lot more resources, improve their technology and actually get off the fricken planet for UBI to ever work. Anyone who says otherwise lives in a fantasy land where goods and resources come out of their backside.

Last Edited by themessengernevermatters on 06/26/2022 01:18 PM
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Why don’t they end career welfare leeches? They get paid to spread fucked up poverty.

They also put people working right now in poverty by causing inflation and higher taxes.
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You mean people can still look at the inflation created by the government creating cash and still thing a UBI system can function let alone be anything they would want.

Until we build nanomachines to rip apart and assemble molecules and then make replicators like in Star Trek. UBI will end up being no different then communist ration cards. You will end up having a equal share of nothing.

You have to have enough goods and resources for everyone at any given time or the whole system comes apart. The reason capitalism and the other systems exist is because there are not enough resources for everyone to live equally and have anything.
 Quoting: themessengernevermatters


The same people telling you about inflation are the same people giving all the money to their friends, family, etc...

You just haven't figured that out yet...

Even in rural North Carolina they know of record profits to corporations through all of this supposed inflation...

You think m1 matters, no, m2 matters
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 78899589


They give all the cash to their friends but none to you because of the truth of inflation. There is not enough stuff for all of the people. If you divvy it all up equally you will have nothing. Nothing you would want anyway.

That is what the communist countries could never get around and in the end like Cuba and the old soviet union, the people get the shaft of scarcity.
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Name a communist country with UBI...

What you have is artificial prices with everything, btw, who do you think owns everything?

Your problem is that you can't see that you're actually making a claim against free market in favor of rigged prices.
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Why don’t they end career welfare leeches? They get paid to spread fucked up poverty.

They also put people working right now in poverty by causing inflation and higher taxes.
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The same people you supposedly don't trust are the same ones who taught you about inflation...

And taxes are merely tribute for control.
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We have people slaving away to make worthless trinkets for a paycheck. If they made the same amount through UBI and didn’t work what would change? Less worthless trinkets and less waste, with a much higher quality of life for the liberated economic slaves.
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If you ever feel your job is pointless, imagine being the guy in Germany, installing turn signals on BMWs.
I'm not paranoid...am I?
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Every job i see posted expects the job to be your life and devote all your waking hours and energy to making other people money
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Every job i see posted expects the job to be your life and devote all your waking hours and energy to making other people money
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Obey your Consumerism Cult masters! Don’t you want to “succeed?”





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