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DOOM! Used Car Market Set to Collapse in Next 12-18 Months...

 
Ultra MAGA Dan

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DOOM! Used Car Market Set to Collapse in Next 12-18 Months...
The used car market is on the brink of an auto loan collapse that can shake the entire industry.

I am shocked that more people are not talking about this!

We are facing a 2008-ish scenario in the used car market and honestly, it's a disaster waiting to happen.

When buyers purchase a car, a vast majority (~85%) are financed. The problem is that, unlike real estate, auto loans are not subject to strict underwriting requirements allowing almost anyone to get one.

Buyers with lower credit scores were funnelled into loans with 2x interest!
You can see how crazy this is in the latest auto loan consumer reports.

- 25 to 50% of the loans were given to customers who might not be able to repay it

- Lenders only verified the source of income and employment only 4% of the time
If that's not crazy enough, as of now, 5% of Auto Loans are behind payments and nearly half of them are underwater!

Just like how the housing market collapsed from the loan crisis in 2008, the same thing is said to be starting to happen in the Auto Loan market.
As the supply chain and chip crisis has improved from COVID times, used car prices have dropped for 4 consecutive months & are now down 6.4% since January.

This is a nightmare for the banks that have lent money on these cars, whose value is rapidly beginning to fall.
Just recently, Equifax reported that 8.5% of subprime borrowers defaulted on their car loans - the second-highest on record!

WSJ also found that more subprime borrowers have started missing out on payments as rising inflation made them choose between essentials & auto loans.
The reality is that lenders have given buyers unaffordable loans without verifying their financials on car values that cannot be sustained without a chip shortage.

It's only a matter of time - eventually, things have to come back to normal.
KPMG predicts that used car prices can drop 30% as more supplies hit the market and Ally Financial predicts a 20% drop.

The timing is a bit uncertain but it looks like it's going to unravel in the next 12-18 months.

https://imgur.com/X06Ej5t


From everything that I have researched, my biggest concern is that too many people have locked themselves into auto loans that are more expensive than they can afford.

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Re: DOOM! Used Car Market Set to Collapse in Next 12-18 Months...
The used car market is on the brink of an auto loan collapse that can shake the entire industry.

I am shocked that more people are not talking about this!

We are facing a 2008-ish scenario in the used car market and honestly, it's a disaster waiting to happen.

When buyers purchase a car, a vast majority (~85%) are financed. The problem is that, unlike real estate, auto loans are not subject to strict underwriting requirements allowing almost anyone to get one.

Buyers with lower credit scores were funnelled into loans with 2x interest!
You can see how crazy this is in the latest auto loan consumer reports.

- 25 to 50% of the loans were given to customers who might not be able to repay it

- Lenders only verified the source of income and employment only 4% of the time
If that's not crazy enough, as of now, 5% of Auto Loans are behind payments and nearly half of them are underwater!

Just like how the housing market collapsed from the loan crisis in 2008, the same thing is said to be starting to happen in the Auto Loan market.
As the supply chain and chip crisis has improved from COVID times, used car prices have dropped for 4 consecutive months & are now down 6.4% since January.

This is a nightmare for the banks that have lent money on these cars, whose value is rapidly beginning to fall.
Just recently, Equifax reported that 8.5% of subprime borrowers defaulted on their car loans - the second-highest on record!

WSJ also found that more subprime borrowers have started missing out on payments as rising inflation made them choose between essentials & auto loans.
The reality is that lenders have given buyers unaffordable loans without verifying their financials on car values that cannot be sustained without a chip shortage.

It's only a matter of time - eventually, things have to come back to normal.
KPMG predicts that used car prices can drop 30% as more supplies hit the market and Ally Financial predicts a 20% drop.

The timing is a bit uncertain but it looks like it's going to unravel in the next 12-18 months.

https://imgur.com/X06Ej5t


From everything that I have researched, my biggest concern is that too many people have locked themselves into auto loans that are more expensive than they can afford.

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 Quoting: Ultra MAGA Dan


Yes total shitshow coming in both auto and home loans.

Two bubbles unraveling together
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Re: DOOM! Used Car Market Set to Collapse in Next 12-18 Months...
By the way, that chart is wrong. The used car index will below 2020 prices as places like Carvana go tits up.
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Good. Great prices for cash cars.
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Good. Great prices for cash cars.
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New cars are so damn expensive these days, regardless of the shortage, it's hard to imagine used cars crashing to a large degree because folks will still need vehicles.
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I own a dealership, I can tell you, prices have gone up again. We were starting to see a downtrend in March, but now? FIRE! Shit had gone plaid again, all but luxury, and I think this may be where the article is looking.
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used car lots in souther NH are pathetic. they have to be in real trouble. 25% full compared to 3 years ago

places that were selling 2018 models a few years ago now 2009 models all waxed up

snapped this pic of a place selling 70's camper vans. this place was a mid tier place. models 3-4 years old. not vans from the 70's

https://imgur.com/a/SPs7UYC

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ill give this guy credit too. hes working hard to put out vehicles
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what is this finance term you speak of ?
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Good. Great prices for cash cars.
 Quoting: Robotanimal


New cars are so damn expensive these days, regardless of the shortage, it's hard to imagine used cars crashing to a large degree because folks will still need vehicles.
 Quoting: sandyman


You are right. People will still need vehicles, and with lower income that means used cars. Also new car are shit, EVs suck, and it's too expensive for what it is. In fact used cars are just better.
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name one market NOT set to collapse in next 12-18 months

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I own a dealership, I can tell you, prices have gone up again. We were starting to see a downtrend in March, but now? FIRE! Shit had gone plaid again, all but luxury, and I think this may be where the article is looking.
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Oh yeah, trust the report of a car dealer? LMFAO
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Already collapsed in Russia

Thread: REPORT: Russia’s Car Manufacturing Collapses by 97% in May

Auto production in Russia has slowed to a crawl after major automakers exited and Western governments imposed debilitating sanctions on Moscow in response to its invasion of Ukraine.

Russia manufactured 3,700 cars in May, 97% fewer than the same month last year, the country’s statistics agency Rosstat said late Wednesday.

Output fluctuated at the start of the year, with 95,000 cars in January and 108,000 in February, before plummeting to 40,800 in March — the first full month after President Vladimir Putin ordered troops to attack Ukraine.

Russia manufactured a total of 268,000 vehicles between January and May this year, less half of the amount over the same time last year.

Truck and bus production in May fell by nearly 40% and 6.5%, respectively, compared with May 2021.

Russia’s automotive industry employs 300,000 people and 3 million more work in related industries.

Only two out of 20 car plants remain in Russia after major automakers halted production and stopped sales over the country’s invasion of Ukraine.

Sales of the country's most popular and affordable brand, Lada, sank by nearly 84% in May, the Association of European Businesses has said.

Trade and Industry Minister Denis Manturov has attributed a 30% price hike for vehicles to inflation, rising costs of parts and the strengthening ruble.

[link to www.themoscowtimes.com (secure)]

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used car lots in souther NH are pathetic. they have to be in real trouble. 25% full compared to 3 years ago

places that were selling 2018 models a few years ago now 2009 models all waxed up

snapped this pic of a place selling 70's camper vans. this place was a mid tier place. models 3-4 years old. not vans from the 70's

[imgur] [link to imgur.com (secure)]
 Quoting: goliesave


You numbnuts. Do you know anything about vehicles? Especially the ones you took photos of? That's a 4x4 used car lot. There's a landcrusier there, those vans are either toyota hiace or mitsu delicas. Those vehicles are in demand and are selling fairly well on the regular. You took a photo of someone adapting to the market. Importing 25+ yr old Japanese vehicles and making 75% roi.
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it'll be fine. they'll just make a 10 year car note, then a 15 year note, then a 30 year note.

then just lease, you own nothing. now get on the bus. now get in the pod. now eat the bugs.
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Already collapsed in Russia

Thread: REPORT: Russia’s Car Manufacturing Collapses by 97% in May

Auto production in Russia has slowed to a crawl after major automakers exited and Western governments imposed debilitating sanctions on Moscow in response to its invasion of Ukraine.

Russia manufactured 3,700 cars in May, 97% fewer than the same month last year, the country’s statistics agency Rosstat said late Wednesday.

Output fluctuated at the start of the year, with 95,000 cars in January and 108,000 in February, before plummeting to 40,800 in March — the first full month after President Vladimir Putin ordered troops to attack Ukraine.

Russia manufactured a total of 268,000 vehicles between January and May this year, less half of the amount over the same time last year.

Truck and bus production in May fell by nearly 40% and 6.5%, respectively, compared with May 2021.

Russia’s automotive industry employs 300,000 people and 3 million more work in related industries.

Only two out of 20 car plants remain in Russia after major automakers halted production and stopped sales over the country’s invasion of Ukraine.

Sales of the country's most popular and affordable brand, Lada, sank by nearly 84% in May, the Association of European Businesses has said.

Trade and Industry Minister Denis Manturov has attributed a 30% price hike for vehicles to inflation, rising costs of parts and the strengthening ruble.

[link to www.themoscowtimes.com (secure)]

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So I guess the price of windshield wipers is up in Russia as well.

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I've got a 1997 T-Bird with 50K miles on it sitting in my garage.

how much can i get for it?
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I've got a 1997 T-Bird with 50K miles on it sitting in my garage.

how much can i get for it?
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Whatever any idiot will pay for it
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Already collapsed in Russia

Thread: REPORT: Russia’s Car Manufacturing Collapses by 97% in May

Auto production in Russia has slowed to a crawl after major automakers exited and Western governments imposed debilitating sanctions on Moscow in response to its invasion of Ukraine.

Russia manufactured 3,700 cars in May, 97% fewer than the same month last year, the country’s statistics agency Rosstat said late Wednesday.

Output fluctuated at the start of the year, with 95,000 cars in January and 108,000 in February, before plummeting to 40,800 in March — the first full month after President Vladimir Putin ordered troops to attack Ukraine.

Russia manufactured a total of 268,000 vehicles between January and May this year, less half of the amount over the same time last year.

Truck and bus production in May fell by nearly 40% and 6.5%, respectively, compared with May 2021.

Russia’s automotive industry employs 300,000 people and 3 million more work in related industries.

Only two out of 20 car plants remain in Russia after major automakers halted production and stopped sales over the country’s invasion of Ukraine.

Sales of the country's most popular and affordable brand, Lada, sank by nearly 84% in May, the Association of European Businesses has said.

Trade and Industry Minister Denis Manturov has attributed a 30% price hike for vehicles to inflation, rising costs of parts and the strengthening ruble.

[link to www.themoscowtimes.com (secure)]

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 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 83766991


So I guess the price of windshield wipers is up in Russia as well.


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Those hypersonic missles are just pathetic, huh?
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I own a dealership, I can tell you, prices have gone up again. We were starting to see a downtrend in March, but now? FIRE! Shit had gone plaid again, all but luxury, and I think this may be where the article is looking.
 Quoting: WiscoSteve



those lines gonna collide, all right

but at the top right area, not the bottom right.


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Didnt know this, but i could feel it coming and sold my old car to carvana last week

Low mileage, 6 years old, got $19k for it and it was 21k new, so i basically drove it for 6 years for $2000

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By the way, that chart is wrong. The used car index will below 2020 prices as places like Carvana go tits up.
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Thats fine

I would never buy for their ridiculous prices but ill damn sure sell to them when they paid me thousands over bluebook value

lmao
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I've got a 1997 T-Bird with 50K miles on it sitting in my garage.

how much can i get for it?
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5 grand
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used car lots in souther NH are pathetic. they have to be in real trouble. 25% full compared to 3 years ago

places that were selling 2018 models a few years ago now 2009 models all waxed up

snapped this pic of a place selling 70's camper vans. this place was a mid tier place. models 3-4 years old. not vans from the 70's

https://imgur.com/a/SPs7UYC

 Quoting: goliesave


One new/used ford dealer here in town is so empty they actually bought someones old raggedy ass RV to put in the lot
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You all are going to hell
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Good. Great prices for cash cars.
 Quoting: Robotanimal


New cars are so damn expensive these days, regardless of the shortage, it's hard to imagine used cars crashing to a large degree because folks will still need vehicles.
 Quoting: sandyman


You are right. People will still need vehicles, and with lower income that means used cars. Also new car are shit, EVs suck, and it's too expensive for what it is. In fact used cars are just better.
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My new car i bought fucking rules

Sorry to burst your bubble
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I don't like this news.
I was about to sell my wife's old Toyota.
Maybe I'll about to sell it a lot faster.
Like next week.
I don't like looking at maximum results in the rear view mirror as they are speeding away from me into the past.

clueless-ahhh3
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:laugh1:

Flawless.
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You all are going to hell
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Not fuck-me-in-the-ass AC hell, at least.
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1965 Ford Falcon, 200 I6.

Got enough parts put away to build two more.

Ain’t selling, ain’t worried..





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