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THAT is hilarious.

DWS will be issuing a statement before too long urging Ukrainian citizens to begin preparations for a possible nuclear attack and for foreign nationals to leave Ukraine and Russia.

Reaching DEFCON 3 is certain; reaching DEFCON 2 is looking very possible. What we're doing right now is trying to assess the timing of what's coming.

I was afraid you were going to say that this week. We finally have a bid accepted on a house we love that needs us to get all the little things fixed on her. She's a beautiful 100 yr. house that people have ignored for several years. I hope we get the VA to see that and we get to live in her.

It's big enough to take in the kids if needed, but not enormous, and out of the way enough I think.

Riff I know you're uncomfortable with this, but I have to ask. Please, if y'all are praying people, pray that this all works out. If you're not, I'll take all the positivity I can find right now.

For what it's worth you've got our support, TB, I hope it works out and soon.

Think positive, push ahead, go for it TB.

Sending positive thoughts your way..

new change- gota take covid test before med appoint. don't want the vaxed staff infected. but nobody is wearing masks anywhere else. WTF

ridiculous. we been the most careful here and now the vaxed are scared of getting covid from us. yet they ran round freely with the vax. kinda like scared water will make fire. LMAO

Nah, not uncomfortable. When dealing with family or friends, I automatically translate "praying for you" into "thinking about you."

I am hoping the best for you.

I may have the shave the cats.

Seriously, this is ugly.

Means "select" units are on 15 minute standby.

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OPEC+ to cut oil production more than one two million barrels per day!!!

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Don't forget our levels don't necessarily reflect the military levels. They are meant for civilians, and in this particular case, Ukrainian civilians more than Americans, at least for now. We are are more concerned about a Russian nuclear attack on Ukraine than on the US or NATO, and unless the West does something really stupid in response, we don't think it will expand beyond Ukraine's borders.

Sorry if I haven't made that more clear in the past.

That being said, even if we're correct and Russia limits its attack to one or two nuclear weapons, there will be immediate global consequences that will still be extremely serious. People will panic, and that makes them dangerous.

I confirmed the military level with a personal, to remain unnamed (for obvious reasons), source.

That said, I have errand running to do.

Yes, boring, mundane things happen in my life too.

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People will flip out everywhere.

This is one I will sit out.

Not going to head out for a social observation study on this one.

Full text of our analysis:

Many commentators have been trying to guess Russia’s next move in Ukraine, especially concern the possible use of nuclear weapons. Will Russia detonate one or won’t they?

The problem with most of these is that they have been looking at Putin as a rational, reasonable man.

He’s not.

This doesn’t mean he’s mad or insane or any other cartoon variety the image conjures up.

It means that Putin is not operating the war from the cold, dispassionate position it takes to properly prosecute a war.

The war in Ukraine is personal to him. And that is what makes Putin a very dangerous man.

From the onset, Vladimir Putin has not operated in the manner expected by any rational standard. Russia has constantly defied expectations because Russia has not done what any sane military would have. From the invasion to the operation to throwing chaff into the fire (untrained and/or unprepared conscripts), Russia is behaving as if it is defending St. Petersburg from the advancing Third Reich rather than as the invader trying to capture new territory.

Putin himself has responded as a cornered animal rather than a leader, snarling and swiping in a desperate attempt to keep NATO out of Ukraine. Cue the obligatory nuclear threat that is made every couple of days from either him or his subordinates.

More telling, though, is Putin’s hands-on approach to the war. Reports are that he is micromanaging. This is never a good thing. Generally, a leader gives the army its objectives and then lets the army do its thing. But when politicians start to get involved, things go bad. And the more they get involved, the worse it gets. Just look at the Korean and Vietnam wars and see what results from when politicians butt in.

But this micromanaging also means that the war is a reflection on him. These are his victories as well as his failures.

We also have to look at the build-up to this war.

Putin has been an adversary to the West and NATO for a long time. He sees Western encroachment as a threat. That NATO plans to swallow up Russia and reduce it to a second-rate nation under the thumb of the United States. Some of this comes from his upbringing. And some of this comes from Russian DNA which is encoded to fear invasion. (Getting invaded multiple times will do that to a country.)

This is what made Putin who he is and is what is driving his actions.

So Putin sees the West not only coming for his beloved country and empire, but for himself.

Couple this with the fact that Putin’s legacy is on the line here. This is his war. No one in his cabinet came to him one day and said, “Let’s capture Ukraine.” This was his idea. This is his baby. He has put everything into it. He has wrapped his country’s economy into it, thousands of lives, and drafted hundreds of thousands of Russian citizens on the mantle of his war. He had better produce or it has been a waste. And then what will happen to him?

History, as they say, is written by the winners.

All this combines to make Vladimir Putin a very dangerous man. Because his stake in this war is personal. There is only one balance sheet that he is consulting: his. And he needs to come out ahead.

So make no mistake about it. There is no cost so high that Putin will not pay. No number of lives that can’t be sacrificed. No risk too great. Because the alternative is too bleak for him to contemplate.

Fortunately, Putin not insane. Otherwise he would have used a nuke right from the outset. He can still weigh the cost and benefit of actions.

He still holds out hope that he can pull a victory out of this. That Ukraine can be ground out through attrition. After all, Russia has more people than Ukraine.

But there is a line in the sand. There is a point where Putin will take the next step. He’s already said it.

“Why would we want a world without Russia?”

Of course, no one is looking to eliminate Russia. But that isn’t how Vladimir Putin sees it.

He will do what it takes to protect himself.

It’s not a question of if he will or will not use a nuclear weapon in the war in Ukraine. He will.

The question is: What will be the cause for him to use it?

The United States has been publicly ambiguous as to what it would do in response to a nuclear strike by Russia. However, some U.S. officials have stated that President Biden favours a non-nuclear response.

So now Russia knows the cost. Now Putin knows exactly where the line is.

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Due to the current situation in Ukraine, The DEFCON Warning System advises citizens in the Ukraine and surrounding areas to begin preparations in the event of nuclear attack.

As I have said before, Vlad will accomplish his goal (we can debate all day on what he goal may actually be) or he will die.

I agree, he is a dangerous bear. Not insane, highly intelligent and determined. He knows sacrifices will be made, and he considers such acceptable.

If we wish to debate his goal, my opinion is that he wishes to reassemble the former Russian Empire (not to be confused with the former Soviet Union); he becoming Czar Vlad the Great, first of his name. Yes, he is an ego maniac.

JMO, have nothing but a gut feeling to base this upon.

Bingo. This is our assessment as well.

dumb awayd goes to CA.

Cali is woke?? not so much-"California high school cancels football season after athletes filmed staging ‘slave auction’"


The auction seemed to show them selling their black teammates.

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NEW - U.S. to buy "nuclear emergency" drugs for $290 million.

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In some ways the West wants this as much if it more than Russia.
Economies are crashing or catching fire.
There needs to be a big mobilization to keep the printers printing.
And what better excuse than a catastrophic war.

I don’t see a way out of it.
If they don’t.
Then they still face the heat from the economic infernos.

The only pro I see is that a large enough war could keep society bound together for the common cause.

war is handy and coincidentally those will help cover up issues from covid. hmmmm like xmas to protecting and CYA the ppl who threw the vax at the pandemic and failed to control the spread.

can b used to explain high costs such as for food or energy. these were coming. did u expect everyone else to work without hazard pay equal to nurses? how else u goina get ppl to replace critical workers? enitce them with $$. can't train replacements fast enuf so need cover up for the shortages.

lack of food and energy. we already know covid can jump species. we see high rates of bird flu and swine flu. HFMD affecting beef as well. let alone less workers to process the meat and package foods. CHINA is still not back to full production. will they ever b? hence, packaging is in short supply. the only thing reused is the crates from the farm to the processors. everything else is toss and pack in new containers.

plus with everyone pointing fingers and yelling RUSSIA, RUSSIA, they won't b yelling for FARCI's head or the shut down of any country's health depts.

a nuke here or there would cover up damage from vax too. suitcase nuke or radiation from the sky100's of miles away. will we see studies showing FUKESHEMA caused high cancer rates in the US soon?

war covers up ppl being moved around. military ppl, bunnker ppl, etc. won't b watched or noticed they disappeared.

history repeats itself cause we keep letting idiots b in charge over and over again. what year is this any how? does anyone really know?

oh and war explains away lots and lots of $$ being spent. where is it really going? BIDEN took a cut, ZELENSKY took a cut. but there is still way more than that shifted around already. AI/bots cost big $$$$$. BERTHA ain't cheap to dig new bunker shafts with either.

Jazz, the one thing that I remember most about history classes at school is that the real reason for WWI and II was to get out of worldwide debt. We didn't go into much detail about WWI, but we did on WWII. I don't think most people realized then or now that that's what really happened, but today? It's pretty in our faces that our economy is being destroyed deliberately today. I wasn't even a glimmer in my daddy's eye for WWII, but I wonder if people saw then what we see now.

I'm not saying there weren't a ton of other reasons for the wars in the past, there were, but if you look at the world economies just before the wars of the 20th century you'll see that things were going south.

I'm not too surprised that we're facing another world war at this time. Most of the greatest generation has died off and it's not taught anymore. Young people haven't heard their parents and grandparents stories and if they did, they blew it off.

I just hope this isn't really the war to end all wars and most people. I'm afraid it could be.

Oh and thanks everyone for your prayers and kind thoughts. We've put in the request for the last hurdle on the house. The VA inspection is the last. If that goes through, we'll be moving around the middle of next month.

This one is the hardest and final word.

congrats TB.

Thanks hon, but it's not a done deal just yet. The VA could screw things up. Not sure when they'll do their inspection/appraisal. We just put in the order this afternoon. Hopefully they'll do it this week. This house is moving very fast, so I'm really hoping hard for this one. Mr. TB even likes it enough to spend the extra money on it. That's a first! LOL

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Chinese 'Zero-Covid' guards in hazmat suits trap families inside airport and police draconian lockdown with MACHINE GUNS after just 61 new virus cases were reported in the province

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Keeping fingers crossed and praying this house works out for you.

sure hope this ain't an omen. squirrel prepped 42 gallons of walnuts under dudes truck hood. he's ready for SHTF for a few winters.

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Putin’s Apocalyptic End Game in Ukraine
Annexation and Mobilization Make Nuclear War More Likely

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