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I don't know about anyone else, but no, we're not. We've got the usual preps, but not anything on that kind of scale. I'm not to sure most of us can. Buying into a bunker type community is out of our reach and I don't think we'd fit in with that crowd. Also, we're getting older so why would we? It's the young ones that might need to do that. We'll have your backs.

other than RIFF, i doubt many are ready as much as we'd like to b. a few of us still hope we can move before things get too bad.

not sure how we could prep for a Nuke winter either. we have supplies for a year or so and seeds. but not to survive a mini ice age of a few years. that would require water and power stored in huge amounts.

that being said, we have done well to survive this far and some remain covid-free. decisions we have made and will make are bets with our lives. i don't foresee a full nuke war world wide. TPTB would have to stay in their bunkers for far too long. the only reason they would want a full nuke war is if that was the only way to totally destroy covid. that would b a last resort move. personally IMO, the Inner Earth ppl would have something to say bout that. some would see these ppl as "aliens". but they aren't from outer space.

our immediate concerns that are very real and likely is the high cost of heating and electricity this winter. the odds say we will lose power or grids this year. for how long or at what price is debateable.

as for prepping otherwise- i think most prep as best they can for what we think is more likely to happen. some on GLP have stated they don't want to even try to survive a nuke situation.

the simulations or online prediction sites for a nuke war have a flaw. the planet is not a flat surfaced ball. it has hills,trees, and valleys and it is a squished ball. i do feel my "rocking chair zone" theory will help increase the chances of surviving. i just wish i lived closer to the center than this side on the outer edge.

with any SHTF situation, your chances of surviving go up as long as u get thru the 1st 3 to 6 mths. many will perish in the 1st month waiting for govern's to do something. they'll b out of water and food. in winter, lack of heat will shorten that time. then raiders and starvation occurs as resources are used up.

personally, i have some water stashed and live near a river and streams. over a year's worth of food and several different seed types. tools and gear stashed. i'm in 1 of this towns tallest buildings and on the top floor. the door to the roof is just outside mine. have plenty of buckets to get snow to melt.

i lack ability to heat well long term. that's my softspot, but do have plans to tighten it. otherwise i like my chances. could sit still til spring then move to a spot and grow food. i could also go west a bit and guard the Amish if i think they'd b attacked.

much depends what happens and how badly collapse happens. as we have seen with the pandemic the last 3 years, things happen slower in reality. govern's are apt to bounce the power on/off for months. we could see rationing of food and gas as well. even if the economic engine started to crack, most ppl would go to work so society will crawl along. the big fear is when the ppl start to die in huge #'s from either damages from covid and vax combined or a merge such as the EBOLA. once 1 system starts to stutter, they can all stop quickly. b it the schools, medical, grid workers, etc. any 1 part of the basic systems to what we think of as society can cause a domino effect quickly. we should see it coming by a month or so minimum.

Wood was rotted.
At least the dumpster has 4 walls.

If you had a high fever then that could have been rated.
Had a nephew who was clocking in at 103 temp.
Was having hallucinations.

The thought has crossed mt mind.

China, US, EU and many other places have large elderly populations, especially elderly who are chronically sick, and it has been a big issue for long term capital planning.

That, and it gives the evil politicians plausible denialability they would not have with outright euthanasia.

Also explains why places like the African continent, with a much younger population demographic, was not slammed to the same degree as other parts of the world.

FWIW, and not much, I still think there is a genetic marker targeting too.

You know better than that. We have all now been "educamacated" to know than boys can have a cervix and even a uterus. Have you checked your parts, you may have one and never knew.

It was never meant to take care of people fully at all. It was meant to be a supplement to life savings. Now, it is handed out to people who have never paid a dime into the system.

A life spent on welfare? Just roll them right over to Soc Sec. That is before we even get into chain migration and "refugees". Come to the US, bring elderly relatives through chain migration and right on SS they go. Ditto with "refugees".

Older article, sobering perspective..

Covid will be a leading cause of death in the U.S. indefinitely, whether or not the pandemic is 'over'


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Friend of mine was asking a woman who was completing her LPN training where she was going to work.

Ultimately she decided that she "couldn't afford" to work once she monetized the value of all the benefits she received for not working: utilities, rent, EBT, medicaid, child care, and I don't know what all else. Bottom line was she calculated all those things were between $60-$70,000 per year.

The "system" is somewhere between broken and shattered.

How long until the variants flip the same switches?

Thread: BREAKING - Boston University CREATES a new Covid MUTANT strain that has an 80% KILL RATE

looks like a false alarm. was a sick child. no EBOLA signs but is being tested. adult was not sick.

https://twitter.com/_/status/1582046895341703168

"the Omicron S-carrying virus inflicts severe disease with a mortality rate of 80%. "


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They deliberately developed it?

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Thanks Texan Buckeye and JAZZz50 for both your response, I guess I overdone it, I need to control myself from being consumed by the fear, thanks. :-)

whitepiedtv, my best advice is just do what you feel led and are comfortable to do. If it makes you feel better to prep this way and you can afford it, do it.

I was a little girl during the Cuban missile crisis so I don't really remember it, but I was a product of all that fear. We lived with it our whole lives. I still remember the total shock of the movies and photos from Japan that we studied in school. Unbelievable horror. I never thought it would happen again after people saw what it did. I didn't understand the stupidity of the general public. The generation that saw and dealt with the aftermath are all but dead now. The true horror has died with them. Younger people don't believe it was real.

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Thanks Texan Buckeye,

No worry, I just need to slow down a little bit before I go crazy because no one here has reached that daily prep level yet, thanks. :-)

that goes with something i have thought on many times over a bout a decade. if u knew when was now that SHTF was going to happen, u'd have a huge headstart. the more time u know "IT" is happening before the population, the more advantage u have. even if it is at the moment of it happening.

say the power went out and u knew this time it was an EMP. while the population waited for the electricity to come back on, u'd b able to some major final prep work. not easy to know ahead of everyone else. the power goes out for various reasons now, yet it does get repaired. with most apocalyptic SHTF, everyone will know at the same time.

but imagine what u could do if u did know. u could spend the rest of your cash. or move to a safer location.instead of going to work, u'd keep family members together. while the public is in shock and confused, there is much that can b done.

in some ways, some of us did that with this pandemic. we saw it brewing in CHINA in JAN 2020. we bought up good masks, gloves, bleach, hand wipes, and stocked supplies. we sent out alerts for other family and friends. i gave the order to stockpile food and TP here and sent alerts to ppl in late JAN. spent time locating and buying N-95 masks and my half-faced masks while the Chinease were buying them up and shipping them back home. i didn't spend every dollar but did change the focus of our own economic strategy.

preppers figure they are ahead of 90% of the population just by stocking some food and water. since most ppl are living paycheck to paycheck and living like society will last forever. we here @GLP that are trying to avoid covid and based on some of the comments on social media, we are bout 1%. many preppers see covid as a hoax or bad flu even now. few are working to avoid catching viruses. we are way ahead of the public.

As Jazz mentioned, I am probably one of the better prepared people here, but it didn't happen overnight - we did it in stages, by purchasing things a little at a time over years.

First, it was 72 hours of preps. Then a week. Then a month. Nothing that killed our budget, just a little extra in groceries each week, some of which got stored away. Some more expensive items would occasionally become available at a reduced rate through various sources, at which point we would buy those. Took years to build up, but now we are to the point that our preps can last us up to a full year, which gives us time to become self-sufficient off the land.

That's where a lot of people make their fatal mistake. They stockpile a year's worth of food, water, and other supplies, and they use it all in a year with no plans to supplement them, then they're in trouble because the grocery stores still aren't open. Our preps are designed to get us through the initial crisis, after which we start hunting, fishing, trapping, farming, bartering, etc. and we do this *before* our preps run out.

You do what you can with the resources you have available to you, but unless you learn some basic skills to obtain your own food and water after your preps are gone, it's pointless. One critical item in your preps should be books on survival, including plants that are safe to eat, how to build a simple snare, how to preserve meat, how to distill water, how to stitch a wound, CBRN decontamination procedures, etc. If you don't have these skills already and you don't have the books to teach you, then you might was well save your money and not prepare at all.

What. The. Actual. Fuck?

Did Wuhan teach them nothing? JFC the human race is fucking stupid.

"Hey, let's build a nuclear bomb!"
"Hell, yeah! Great idea!"

"Y'know, I wonder what would happen if we took two viruses that are already dangerous and combined them together in a lab environment?"
"Ooooh! Great idea! Let's try that, but we have to be careful!"

Just so you guys know, we have an old satellite dish on our house that I'm going to be removing from the roof and mounting to my antenna mast. Going to hook it up to an old computer and use it to transmit a distress signal into deep space. With any luck, I'll get off this rock. They can probe my ass all they want, as long as it's on some other planet.

the slow burn doom we have been in for over 2 and a half years continues. i don't see that changing much. i do think it will speed up over time but not go full freak out in a month. much of prepping is mental. training your thinking so u don't panic and react to whatever way the end SHTF happens.

it is impossible to prep for every apocalyptic senario. that is why u start with the most likely personal situations u may face and work forward. prep for economic troubles such as losing a job or being injured. prep for local environment situations such as drought, hurricanes,etc. become det free and stash some cash in case of a medical emergency. and then after u are secure enuf to handle the small SHTF, stock or prep for long term 1's. this can include learning new skills, growing food, acquiring tools, solar panels, buggout caches, etc.

on the mental side, i have mentioned things off/on during covid. realize that not everyone we know will survive. some till get covid, and yes sadly some will die from it. "life as we knew it in 2019, ain't coming back." say that out loud til it echos in your mind. we have time to mourn the losses now but may not have it later.

i'll try to find time, mayb later this week, to run some scenarios as to how this slow burn doom can play out with the pandemic. i don't want to predict nukes thou.the damage and odds of surviving it is too bad.

Thing of it is, if you're prepped for one scenario you are already mostly prepped for any other.

Top priorities for survival:
1 - Water
2 - Food
3 - Shelter
4 - Security

Usually in that order, but your environment makes that determination. If you're trapped outside in a blizzard, shelter moves into the number one spot and everything else moves down a notch. But whatever order they fall in, those are your top four priorities.

Anything else is a luxury.

Don't forget to up your PPE supplies, have a feeling Ebola/Covid dual infections are going to make things REALLY interesting the next couple of months

Not good..

Russia sees "no point" in maintaining diplomatic presence in the West, foreign minister Lavrov says

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Ebola virus in Uganda has mutated - researchers

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"Prof Pontiano Kaleebu of the Uganda Virus Research Institute says there is however no evidence that it is any more transmissible that the original strain." (Hmmmm dejavu, heard that before!)



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Defence Secretary Ben Wallace on emergency trip to US amid Ukraine security concerns and nuclear threat

The Defence Secretary has made an emergency trip to the US to discuss the security situation in Ukraine, including the threat of a nuclear attack.

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I am not. I think I'm near a probable target, however it is never listed or shown on anything I've seen that lists/shows them.

I need firewood atm for norm type of prepping. I pulled out our first aid preps from beginning of the pandemic, and a significant number of items are now expired. I need to replace those. So just doing the norm stuff.

I'll survive or not =)

I’m guessing this isn’t good either..

BREAKING Russian army preparing to evacuate Kherson's population, commander says

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I've been prepped for supply chain issues since February 2020. I haven't bothered to prep for nukes. I live less than 10 miles from Navy boot camp, and work right next to it. I figure it's probably fairly high up on the target list, so if nukes fly I'm leaving work and getting drunk at the closest bar.

In a late-night address…, Russian-installed Kherson official Kirill Stremousov calls for people to "evacuate the city as quickly as possible" and says Ukraine "will begin an offensive on the city of Kherson very soon"

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