Depends on your definition of "vaccine." If you mean it is not a traditional vaccine because it does not use deactivated strands of virus to boost immunity to the real virus, then that is correct. It is using a new delivery method that was being researched long before Covid came on the scene. Your analogy of veggies to ice cream is not a good one. Rather, I would say it is akin to calling frozen yogurt "ice cream." They are not the same thing, but the serve the same purpose.


One of my primary objections to the vaccine in 2021, and still a valid complaint. No argument. That being said, what she meant by "more data" on this vaccine than any other in history is due to the number of scientists that have literally been focused on nothing else for three solid years, going on four. This was an unprecedented cooperative global effort on the part of hundreds of thousands of researchers all over the world to develop the covid vaccines. Even polio, measles, and some of the other deadly diseases of the 50s did not receive this kind of global attention and research. So, you cannot dismiss what she says just because of the time frame involved. The amount of research crunched into that time frame has been massive on a scale never seen before in human history.


Again, no argument here. But the anti-vax crowd has pretty much been claiming that every single death or heart problem over the past year or two has been caused by the vaccine, and I'm sorry, that is simply not the case. Is it possible some of them have been? Yes, and the epidemiologist acknowledges that. But it's on a scale much much smaller than the anti-vax crowd wants it to be. And I use the phrase "wants it to be" quite deliberately, because that is truly what they want. They desire nothing more than for every person who ever took the vaccine to die for no other reason than they can claim their intellectual superiority for being "right." The fact is, ALL vaccines have occasional side effects in a minute number of people. This one will be no different.


That's a strawman argument. You're basically claiming that all deaths are either from the vaccine or covid. Not even close to true. Most deaths have nothing to do with either covid or the vaccine. But this is not what anti-vaxxers want to hear. They WANT every death to be related to the vaccine.


Yep, the flu vaccine is nothing but guesswork every year. They try to guess which strain of flu will be predominant and that's the strain they use for the flu shots. However, and you should remember this from very early in the pandemic: Covid is NOT influenza. It's not even close. Humans have been exposed to influenza for hundreds of years, if not thousands. Also from early in the pandemic, GLP knew that antibodies created from being infected with Covid disappeared within 90 days or so, and the body did not maintain the "blueprint" it needed to create those antibodies again upon reinfection. The boosters are simply to remind the body what it's fighting against.


I think history will look back on this pandemic and wonder if the virus created stupidity. A third of Americans don't even think Covid is real. Many believe it is some kind of global plot for depopulation or some other nefarious scheme created by the Illuminati or some other shadowy group. The US government TRIED to educate public on preventing the spread of Covid by encouraging social distancing and wearing of masks in public. Americans told them to get fucked because of their free-dumbs. You are also confusing people getting infected *because* of the vaccine with people getting infected *despite* having the vaccine. Nobody is getting Covid because they are vaccinated. Not happening. However, it is perfectly possible for someone with the vaccine to still get infected. Again, GLP knew this back in 2021. Raffette and I both caught Covid last year after two years of avoiding it. We were vaccinated and boosted. However, our symptoms were so mild that the only reason we knew we had Covid was because we tested for it. And the reason our symptoms were so mild is because we were vaccinated and boosted so our body could start producing antibodies immediately instead of learning how to do it from scratch.


Agreed. If you can avoid catching Covid it's better for you. That being said, the vaccine has prevented more infections and deaths than it's caused. I'm still leery about long-term effects a decade from now, but that can't be helped. It's a perfect exercise in risk/benefit analysis. There are risks associated with being unvaccinated. There are risks associated with being vaccinate. I'm not going to argue either of those facts with you. However, the benefits of each are a hot topic for debate, and sadly, probably not one I'm going to agree with you on.

That being said, one huge difference between me and anti-vaxxers is my treatment of you. I'm not going to call you names. I'm not going to insult your intelligence. I'm not going to hope that you catch covid and die so I can use that as "evidence" for my argument. I'm not going to lave you red karma because of your viewpoints. I disagree with you; nothing more. Finally, I still remain open to evidence from reliable sources that contradicts anything I've said here. Anti-vaxxers have their minds made up and there is absolutely nothing that can alter their beliefs.

That should count for something.