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Ethanol gas and small engines.Lawn mowers. Easy fix for lawnmowers, tillers, many small engines.

 
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Ethanol gas and small engines.Lawn mowers. Easy fix for lawnmowers, tillers, many small engines.
It's the hose. The fuel line deteriorates from the ethanol.

A new line does the same because it is made of the same materials.

I caught on the third time I cleaned my carburetor.

I needed a way to filter the gas in the fuel line.

Here's how.

Get a foam air filter such as are used on many fine BRIGGS engines.

Cut a small piece maybe half an inch long and the diameter sufficient to go into the fuel line snuggly.

It's not a 426 hemi, so the engine will still get plenty of fuel for its needs.

Detach the fuel line at the carburetor.
Let a little bit of gas flow through it in a futile attempt to clear the line of debris.

Jam that bit of flexible, porous, filter material into the fuel line at the point where it attaches to the carb.
Don't push it up the line. Just far enough to be able to get the line back on.
A reasonable amount of fuel should still be able to drip out. It doesn't take much to run a little engine.


Attach the line to the carburetor with the bit of foam inside the line acting as a flexible mini filter.

Put everything back together, using the right clamps and cleaning up spilled fuel to prevent a fire.

Be appropriately safe.
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It's the hose. The fuel line deteriorates from the ethanol.

A new line does the same because it is made of the same materials.

I caught on the third time I cleaned my carburetor.

I needed a way to filter the gas in the fuel line.

Here's how.

Get a foam air filter such as are used on many fine BRIGGS engines.

Cut a small piece maybe half an inch long and the diameter sufficient to go into the fuel line snuggly.

It's not a 426 hemi, so the engine will still get plenty of fuel for its needs.

Detach the fuel line at the carburetor.
Let a little bit of gas flow through it in a futile attempt to clear the line of debris.

Jam that bit of flexible, porous, filter material into the fuel line at the point where it attaches to the carb.
Don't push it up the line. Just far enough to be able to get the line back on.
A reasonable amount of fuel should still be able to drip out. It doesn't take much to run a little engine.


Attach the line to the carburetor with the bit of foam inside the line acting as a flexible mini filter.

Put everything back together, using the right clamps and cleaning up spilled fuel to prevent a fire.

Be appropriately safe.
 Quoting: Small Engine Tip 76812370


Run a 'inline fuel filter'.
if you "Jam that bit of flexible, porous, filter material into the fuel line at the point where it attaches to the carb", it'll eventually disintegrate and you'll end up rebuilding your carburetor.
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Op, this is one of the worst engine tips I've ever had the displeasure to read.

Please tell me you're not White.
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Op, this is one of the worst engine tips I've ever had the displeasure to read.

Please tell me you're not White.
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It has worked for two years.

White as rice in a snow storm.

This isn't an idea.

It is a working solution
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Re: Ethanol gas and small engines.Lawn mowers. Easy fix for lawnmowers, tillers, many small engines.
It's the hose. The fuel line deteriorates from the ethanol.

A new line does the same because it is made of the same materials.

I caught on the third time I cleaned my carburetor.

I needed a way to filter the gas in the fuel line.

Here's how.

Get a foam air filter such as are used on many fine BRIGGS engines.

Cut a small piece maybe half an inch long and the diameter sufficient to go into the fuel line snuggly.

It's not a 426 hemi, so the engine will still get plenty of fuel for its needs.

Detach the fuel line at the carburetor.
Let a little bit of gas flow through it in a futile attempt to clear the line of debris.

Jam that bit of flexible, porous, filter material into the fuel line at the point where it attaches to the carb.
Don't push it up the line. Just far enough to be able to get the line back on.
A reasonable amount of fuel should still be able to drip out. It doesn't take much to run a little engine.


Attach the line to the carburetor with the bit of foam inside the line acting as a flexible mini filter.

Put everything back together, using the right clamps and cleaning up spilled fuel to prevent a fire.

Be appropriately safe.
 Quoting: Small Engine Tip 76812370


Run a 'inline fuel filter'.
if you "Jam that bit of flexible, porous, filter material into the fuel line at the point where it attaches to the carb", it'll eventually disintegrate and you'll end up rebuilding your carburetor.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 83277861

Reread the post.

The specified material resists deterioration from gasoline.
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It's the hose. The fuel line deteriorates from the ethanol.

A new line does the same because it is made of the same materials.

I caught on the third time I cleaned my carburetor.

I needed a way to filter the gas in the fuel line.

Here's how.

Get a foam air filter such as are used on many fine BRIGGS engines.

Cut a small piece maybe half an inch long and the diameter sufficient to go into the fuel line snuggly.

It's not a 426 hemi, so the engine will still get plenty of fuel for its needs.

Detach the fuel line at the carburetor.
Let a little bit of gas flow through it in a futile attempt to clear the line of debris.

Jam that bit of flexible, porous, filter material into the fuel line at the point where it attaches to the carb.
Don't push it up the line. Just far enough to be able to get the line back on.
A reasonable amount of fuel should still be able to drip out. It doesn't take much to run a little engine.


Attach the line to the carburetor with the bit of foam inside the line acting as a flexible mini filter.

Put everything back together, using the right clamps and cleaning up spilled fuel to prevent a fire.

Be appropriately safe.
 Quoting: Small Engine Tip 76812370


Run a 'inline fuel filter'.
if you "Jam that bit of flexible, porous, filter material into the fuel line at the point where it attaches to the carb", it'll eventually disintegrate and you'll end up rebuilding your carburetor.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 83277861

Reread the post.

The specified material resists deterioration from gasoline.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 83843544


Maybe you should reread the post you quoted. "Run an inline fuel filter"

OP mentions Briggs and Stratton. They sell inexpensive inline fuel filters. Every quality mower comes with one installed, but if you bought some piece of trash without one it should run about $6 to add one. No need to reinvent the wheel.

The problem with ethanol blended fuel is that if stored for a long period with ethanol fuel in the carb, that ethanol will eventually turn to chunks AFTER it has passed through the fuel filter. Then those chunks plug up the jets in the carb, usually the idle jet first.
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Ummmm, hello?

Why not just run an actual inline fuel filter?
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Op, this is one of the worst engine tips I've ever had the displeasure to read.

Please tell me you're not White.
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op has a valid point that ethanol is bad for the fuel line. The better answer is drain the lines after use , let the carb run empty.
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Ummmm, hello?

Why not just run an actual inline fuel filter?
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Excellent question!

How would you attach the inline filter to the carb without using

Fuel line?

Also, clearances, Clarence.

Over? from the movie 'AIRPLANE!'
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Did I mention that I have done this and that it worked well?


Why, I believe I did!
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op has a valid point that ethanol is bad for the fuel line. The better answer is drain the lines after use , let the carb run empty.
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Or vote with your Dollars and buy Real Gas. The tards that complain about ethanol the most are the ones that buy it. I won't even put that trash in my Honda Accord, and it would burn it just fine.
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op has a valid point that ethanol is bad for the fuel line. The better answer is drain the lines after use , let the carb run empty.
 Quoting: Acinnc 79192717


Or vote with your Dollars and buy Real Gas. The tards that complain about ethanol the most are the ones that buy it. I won't even put that trash in my Honda Accord, and it would burn it just fine.
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I have to go to the next town over for real gas.
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Ummmm, hello?

Why not just run an actual inline fuel filter?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 83832508


Excellent question!

How would you attach the inline filter to the carb without using

Fuel line?

Also, clearances, Clarence.

Over? from the movie 'AIRPLANE!'
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 83843544





I'll take this one.... ya just cut the fuel into two pieces... the issue isn't adding fuel line
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buy ethanol free fuel. do a google search. i go 10 miles out of the way to get it. it goes in all my small engines, mix oil or not, and it goes in my 14hp sawmill and my topkick with a 454.

dont run ethanol fuels in small motors, period. if you want your shit to last go out of your way and load up on ethanol free and stabilize.
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It's the hose. The fuel line deteriorates from the ethanol.

A new line does the same because it is made of the same materials.

I caught on the third time I cleaned my carburetor.

I needed a way to filter the gas in the fuel line.

Here's how.

Get a foam air filter such as are used on many fine BRIGGS engines.

Cut a small piece maybe half an inch long and the diameter sufficient to go into the fuel line snuggly.

It's not a 426 hemi, so the engine will still get plenty of fuel for its needs.

Detach the fuel line at the carburetor.
Let a little bit of gas flow through it in a futile attempt to clear the line of debris.

Jam that bit of flexible, porous, filter material into the fuel line at the point where it attaches to the carb.
Don't push it up the line. Just far enough to be able to get the line back on.
A reasonable amount of fuel should still be able to drip out. It doesn't take much to run a little engine.


Attach the line to the carburetor with the bit of foam inside the line acting as a flexible mini filter.

Put everything back together, using the right clamps and cleaning up spilled fuel to prevent a fire.

Be appropriately safe.
 Quoting: Small Engine Tip 76812370


Run a 'inline fuel filter'.
if you "Jam that bit of flexible, porous, filter material into the fuel line at the point where it attaches to the carb", it'll eventually disintegrate and you'll end up rebuilding your carburetor.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 83277861

Reread the post.

The specified material resists deterioration from gasoline.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 83843544


Maybe you should reread the post you quoted. "Run an inline fuel filter"

OP mentions Briggs and Stratton. They sell inexpensive inline fuel filters. Every quality mower comes with one installed, but if you bought some piece of trash without one it should run about $6 to add one. No need to reinvent the wheel.

The problem with ethanol blended fuel is that if stored for a long period with ethanol fuel in the carb, that ethanol will eventually turn to chunks AFTER it has passed through the fuel filter. Then those chunks plug up the jets in the carb, usually the idle jet first.
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It basically turns into shellac with moisture over time.
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Geez.
Ethanol doesn't "turn to chunks" when its old.....
The alcohol attacks the aluminum of the carb which then corrodes and chunks of the corrosion plug up the jets and micro-tiny holes in the carb.
Have none of you ever rebuilt a mower carb?????
This is 3rd grade stuff...Come On Man!
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Ummmm, hello?

Why not just run an actual inline fuel filter?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 83832508


Excellent question!

How would you attach the inline filter to the carb without using

Fuel line?

Also, clearances, Clarence.

Over? from the movie 'AIRPLANE!'
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 83843544





I'll take this one.... ya just cut the fuel into two pieces... the issue isn't adding fuel line
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 74976163

Correct. The issue isn't adding fuel line. The issue is that the fuel line, (the line that YOU would attach between the carburetor and the inline fuel filter) THAT fuel line has a lining that deteriorates in the presence of ethanol fuel. And when you go the the parts store, they will happily sell you the same exact line with the same exact problem.
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The ethanol results in the carb jets gumming up.

easy enough job to clean them, but lots of lawnmowers are ending up being scrapped anyway.

Run anything with a carb on fuel without ethanol in it.
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Geez.
Ethanol doesn't "turn to chunks" when its old.....
The alcohol attacks the aluminum of the carb which then corrodes and chunks of the corrosion plug up the jets and micro-tiny holes in the carb.
Have none of you ever rebuilt a mower carb?????
This is 3rd grade stuff...Come On Man!
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 81437720


I know, but I wasn't going down that rabbit hole.

BTW, it's not the alcohol. It's the water held by the alcohol.
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Geez.
Ethanol doesn't "turn to chunks" when its old.....
The alcohol attacks the aluminum of the carb which then corrodes and chunks of the corrosion plug up the jets and micro-tiny holes in the carb.
Have none of you ever rebuilt a mower carb?????
This is 3rd grade stuff...Come On Man!
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I push a 31yr old Toro with Japanese-made commercial grade Suzuki 2-Cycle. I keep the Japanese-made $200+ Mukuni carburetor in tip top shape. Thanks for playing.
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Geez.
Ethanol doesn't "turn to chunks" when its old.....
The alcohol attacks the aluminum of the carb which then corrodes and chunks of the corrosion plug up the jets and micro-tiny holes in the carb.
Have none of you ever rebuilt a mower carb?????
This is 3rd grade stuff...Come On Man!
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I push a 31yr old Toro with Japanese-made commercial grade Suzuki 2-Cycle. I keep the Japanese-made $200+ Mukuni carburetor in tip top shape. Thanks for playing.
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Yep. I have a used 4 hp walk-behind weed whipper and it works perfectly.

40 dollars. Came with a Harbor Freight Chinese copy of a Honda.

No issues.
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Ridiculous.

Like a piece of foam is going to stop ethanol from being in contact with the fuel and carb, not a bit.

If filtration worked for ethanol we wouldn't even be having these discussions.

Sacrifice a pregnant chicken on your hood and all your babies will be born naked.
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Ummmm, hello?

Why not just run an actual inline fuel filter?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 83832508


Excellent question!

How would you attach the inline filter to the carb without using

Fuel line?

Also, clearances, Clarence.

Over? from the movie 'AIRPLANE!'
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 83843544




Then pack a wad of air filter foam into it. Duh. But, seriously, if you own yard equipment made in the last decade,.they'll be engineered to be friendly to ethanol added to fuel. People fill the cans for mowers and edgers where they fuel they're vehicles. And, I 100% agree that ethanol mandates are a ridiculous 'solution' to economic downturn. . When Bush was in office he enacted this mandate as a way to deal with an economic issue. And all it did, and will do this time, is raise the cost to raise beef and other livestock. Then think: ripple effect...

That's not even close to why it should be ended. Fundamentally, ethanol inclusion is an elaborate ruse that makes ZERO sense from the start. Your mileage will worsen no matter what. It's a small but relevant amount if you do the math... ethanol contains just 85% of the BTU's of gasoline. Ethanol has a lower energy density than gasoline. Jes' a stupid foolishly misguided, (purposely?)³, 'solution'

I'll take this one.... ya just cut the fuel into two pieces... the issue isn't adding fuel line
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 74976163

Correct. The issue isn't adding fuel line. The issue is that the fuel line, (the line that YOU would attach between the carburetor and the inline fuel filter) THAT fuel line has a lining that deteriorates in the presence of ethanol fuel. And when you go the the parts store, they will happily sell you the same exact line with the same exact problem.
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Ridiculous.

Like a piece of foam is going to stop ethanol from being in contact with the fuel and carb, not a bit.

If filtration worked for ethanol we wouldn't even be having these discussions.

Sacrifice a pregnant chicken on your hood and all your babies will be born naked.
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The foam filter in the fuel line prevents the bits of deteriorated rubber fuel line from getting into the carburetor.

The ethanol gets into the carburetor just fine.
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what if you use plastic clear tube instead of rubber?
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Op, this is one of the worst engine tips I've ever had the displeasure to read.

Please tell me you're not White.
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pffft-spitsmoke
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what if you use plastic clear tube instead of rubber?
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Probably a good choice. I didn't, because I know sometimes that kind gets brittle. Then I would probably have to use different clamps. Plus I was unsure of how vibration would affect the untried new material. I really like the neoprene fuel line, but I get bored trying to explain the world to the typical AutoZonian parts clerk.
I had a newish briggs foam filter and it worked.
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Ridiculous.

Like a piece of foam is going to stop ethanol from being in contact with the fuel and carb, not a bit.

If filtration worked for ethanol we wouldn't even be having these discussions.

Sacrifice a pregnant chicken on your hood and all your babies will be born naked.
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The foam filter in the fuel line prevents the bits of deteriorated rubber fuel line from getting into the carburetor.

The ethanol gets into the carburetor just fine.
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I have more trouble with dried corn syrup than I do rubber. Last jets I cleaned were set up like concrete, had to soak and then rod them out. The month before that it was running fine.
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what if you use plastic clear tube instead of rubber?
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Probably a good choice. I didn't, because I know sometimes that kind gets brittle. Then I would probably have to use different clamps. Plus I was unsure of how vibration would affect the untried new material. I really like the neoprene fuel line, but I get bored trying to explain the world to the typical AutoZonian parts clerk.
I had a newish briggs foam filter and it worked.
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Plastic tubing will become yellow, then brown in no time, and as hard as a wedding prick.

There's ethanol resistant fuel hose available, polyurethane, etc.
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Ever heard of a flex fuel car? They are manufactured to burn gas or alcohol. Not all rubber degrades from alcohol. Just make sure when you buy fuel line that it can run alcohol.

Another thing is, that today's automobiles have sealed fuel systems. So the fuel is never subject to the environment. Small engines, mowers, saws, weedeaters, do not have sealed fuel systems. So alcohol will vaporize fast and leave behind shellac.

If you are going to leave a small engine for an extended period of time, run the fuel out of it and spray the inside of the tank with WD40. Also, it you store your small engines in a shed or so that gets hot in the summer, don't store any equipment in it, unless the fuel has been drained.

It's not actually the alcohol that kills things, it's whats left behind after the alcohol evaporates that kills engines.

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