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Gangstalking reasons.

 
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Want to know something?

I tracked a number of these people.

And I pulled their records and in a number of cases i managed to obtain their mental health records.

What I found was they all have a record with the psychiatry and were administered a relatively new antipsychotic drug.

Their stories are pathetic mostly.
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How were you able to access their medical records?
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The point is to destroy you mentally.

Leave you as an empty shell of a person.

With no will to make yourself something.
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They gave me the will to build their box, when I decide to round'em up...
 Quoting: BRIEF


Same. They don't realize that their abuse and manipulation don't work on everyone. In fact, it only makes the strong that much more stronger...
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A. Before the gang-stalking I was ambitious and motivated, but now after it's been going on for a decade I'm absolutely determined and fearless.

Psychological methods DO NOT work on everyone and as you said, the strong become BRAVER and FEARLESS.

When I find one person that has access to the elite's control files and when those are released it will be absolute ARMAGEDDON for them. A bloodbath for the illuminati never seen before in human history. God willing.

When I was in school I created trauma muscle memory responses from the bullies. One guy bullied everyone except for me. Literally the whole class! Except for me because he knew if he did that, I would push him down the stairs and lock him in a dark storage room. That is psychology 101 and just because people they rule over in the West have submitted, doesn't mean everyone will.

The elite need to develop that same muscle memory response. They have the same psychological reflexes - and remember they have more to hide! :)

For me it is entertaining seeing them drive themselves insane stalking me and getting no result.

And I have developed every method and technique to manage them and watch their lunacy (it's my entertainment - small pleasures). I will switch my emotional responses so cry when I'm happy, smile when I'm sad, constantly change and switch my online activities so it's harder to follow me around, speak about one thing while planning for something the opposite, smile and laugh when I read articles or any online media about them so they get their guard down, act like I love people I hate and show that I hate people I love and every now and again I flip the switch and I watch them running around in circles confused and trying to keep up with the "new" me.

In the meantime it has made me extremely spiritual and grounded understanding what happens to you on a soul level when you cause mischief for Truth Seekers. A big big big penalty which cannot be escaped! :)


If EVERY TIME they stalked us or invaded our privacy the following information was leaked on the internet:-

1. All their bank account details
2. Address
3. Personal life
4. Sex tapes
5. Affairs
6. Pedophilia
7. Criminal activity and that of all their friends and family was on the internet they would be so absolutely terrified as their entire inner circle would turn in on them and they would be alienated from all their people.

Remember alienation from society is what they do to us.

Their aim is to alienate us from work, family, friends, our own senses to be disturbed and unclear.

They have been trying for me and wasted a decade of my life however it made me fully aware this system needs to be overthrown and it is a must and not an option to obtain the manpower, resources, and financial reserves to do so.

The entire Illuminati/Freemason network do not understand that God sends them to cause problems for people that with rip them to shreds and it is God's plan to give powers to his soldiers and mercenaries on planet Earth to eliminate them from the Earth. They think they are in control but there is a reason why God sends them to the people that will unleash levels of viciousness that will make their bones shake in terror.
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Its a delusion

And The Illuminati is a fiction trilogy

I even know who pushed that bullshit for 40 years... it comes from the hippy community

It was a joke/larp

Do your research
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hf
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Indeed... CIA SS



Everyone knows populism and right wing ideology will never rule a part of the world larger than 1 or a couple of rogue nations


Everyone is done with Nazis

IAm done with Nazis


Let them die pls
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And Israelis.
 Quoting: Sweet Jesus!



I think the Nazi clowns are at war with the Israeli
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 83973365


They cut deals with them and several books they wrote, as well as excerpted private letters, and endorsed German philosophers, not to mention their treatment of African refugees, tells me that their only objection to the Nazis was that they were antisemites.
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By the way

Tell your "god" if he is so powerful and want to disable a clown, he should do it himself...

Remind your "god" he can easily incarnate in them and change their behavior

My god wants nothing from me but the lazy highlife and feelgood

Thats my god

He works for me
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By the way

Tell your "god" if he is so powerful and want to disable a clown, he should do it himself...

Remind your "god" he can easily incarnate in them and change their behavior

My god wants nothing from me but the lazy highlife and feelgood

Thats my god

He works for me
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I just got fed up with you saying it was my job to work so that others didn't have to.
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Indeed... CIA SS



Everyone knows populism and right wing ideology will never rule a part of the world larger than 1 or a couple of rogue nations


Everyone is done with Nazis

IAm done with Nazis


Let them die pls
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And Israelis.
 Quoting: Sweet Jesus!



I think the Nazi clowns are at war with the Israeli
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 83973365


They cut deals with them and several books they wrote, as well as excerpted private letters, and endorsed German philosophers, not to mention their treatment of African refugees, tells me that their only objection to the Nazis was that they were antisemites.
 Quoting: Sweet Jesus!



Apart from that they are more or less the same.. maybe

I dont think they are more humanitarian.. same pond different devil
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By the way

Tell your "god" if he is so powerful and want to disable a clown, he should do it himself...

Remind your "god" he can easily incarnate in them and change their behavior

My god wants nothing from me but the lazy highlife and feelgood

Thats my god

He works for me
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I just got fed up with you saying it was my job to work so that others didn't have to.
 Quoting: Sweet Jesus!


I did enough for others

Including fighting online

Now i am slowly retiring and stopping with the bullshit

It doesnt profit me
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And Israelis.
 Quoting: Sweet Jesus!



I think the Nazi clowns are at war with the Israeli
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 83973365


They cut deals with them and several books they wrote, as well as excerpted private letters, and endorsed German philosophers, not to mention their treatment of African refugees, tells me that their only objection to the Nazis was that they were antisemites.
 Quoting: Sweet Jesus!



Apart from that they are more or less the same.. maybe

I dont think they are more humanitarian.. same pond different devil
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 83973365


I don't really care. I'm just fending off the inevitable posts about them having better intentions despite using the same methods as the people they say are their enemies. I'm just glad that they revealed themselves before I did something evil for their sake that I would later regret.
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I will lay back and study a bit, work and enjoy life now
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I will lay back and study a bit, work and enjoy life now
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I'm just here at work. I try and stay away from this site at home, sometimes for weeks at a time.
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I think it is more of a class/status thing over any other ideology or culture. Obviously high tech is involved. Only someone with clout and a following would be able to have access to that, not a TI. I think it is used for a multitude of reasons but mostly an ego pablum and form of entertainment. Sure you are given hints it is being done "for your own good" to improve you, that is a carrot. But it doesn't cease. Somehow your wildest dreams are tapped into and used to keep you hooked into the whole scenario once you discover it and ignore the fools saying you need meds or similarly. The fools here are the ones who deny a possibility or validation that this exists.

I mean seriously, since when did any technology only serve the common good for altruistic purposes?

I feel it also taps into a "better than you" attitude. The people behind this terror feel superior for whatever reasons and claim the masses as fodder, a commodity, something to use for their benefit.

The tech brought it to a whole new level. A level that will never be undone unless we lose all ability to be able to use tech.

Don't ever believe for a second you are cared for by the users of this genre. Just another disposable inspiration, entertainment, satisfier of curiosity seeking? I think the psychological aspect that is created is especially despicable. Total plausible deniability so you appear crazy to even your loved ones. What is life worth after that ?

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Gangstalking is very real. There is a big call center in Plano, Texas that handles all their message traffic.
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I think it is more of a class/status thing over any other ideology or culture. Obviously high tech is involved. Only someone with clout and a following would be able to have access to that, not a TI. I think it is used for a multitude of reasons but mostly an ego pablum and form of entertainment. Sure you are given hints it is being done "for your own good" to improve you, that is a carrot. But it doesn't cease. Somehow your wildest dreams are tapped into and used to keep you hooked into the whole scenario once you discover it and ignore the fools saying you need meds or similarly. The fools here are the ones who deny a possibility or validation that this exists.

I mean seriously, since when did any technology only serve the common good for altruistic purposes?

I feel it also taps into a "better than you" attitude. The people behind this terror feel superior for whatever reasons and claim the masses as fodder, a commodity, something to use for their benefit.

The tech brought it to a whole new level. A level that will never be undone unless we lose all ability to be able to use tech.

Don't ever believe for a second you are cared for by the users of this genre. Just another disposable inspiration, entertainment, satisfier of curiosity seeking? I think the psychological aspect that is created is especially despicable. Total plausible deniability so you appear crazy to even your loved ones. What is life worth after that ?
 Quoting: MagentaMage


The user aspect you've got correct, but there are important nuances. For one, there are people who are obviously more concerned about the outcome than others. The ones who are blase about it are those who are both ethnocentric and have an insider status so if the goal fails they are protected from the blowback and don't care about those who aren't in any case. The handwringing ones have an investment in the outcome and are made into the window dressing for the more nihilistic/racist/nationalistic elements, who are the primary beneficiaries. This also has the side effect of making the target feel bad when he/she stands up for themselves allowing for the hardened characters to step in to deliver another blow.

The basic flaw is that for all the protests that humane reasons are behind the attacks, the crueler elements have obviously been assured ahead of time that they bear no costs from their violations of the target. This means that the liberal 'cause' is secondary and disposable, as are the people who represent it. Bad guys with a candy coating of good guys, in other words.

So when a person finally refuses to work together with them any longer, every attempt is made to convey that the liberal cause is the actual reason that the toughs are employed; but even a cursory view of the historical reality shows that the cause in its present form is less than a century old, while the racist elements have an established and respected place in the society that stands to benefit should it succeed. If the target has a conscience, it is absolutely necessary to lie to them to get them onboard, with the hopes of a sunk-cost fallacy of sorts locking them in for the long haul, either to drown their sorrows in material indulgences or else to be gotten rid of once they outlive their usefulness.

Same as it ever was.
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I think it is more of a class/status thing over any other ideology or culture. Obviously high tech is involved. Only someone with clout and a following would be able to have access to that, not a TI. I think it is used for a multitude of reasons but mostly an ego pablum and form of entertainment. Sure you are given hints it is being done "for your own good" to improve you, that is a carrot. But it doesn't cease. Somehow your wildest dreams are tapped into and used to keep you hooked into the whole scenario once you discover it and ignore the fools saying you need meds or similarly. The fools here are the ones who deny a possibility or validation that this exists.

I mean seriously, since when did any technology only serve the common good for altruistic purposes?

I feel it also taps into a "better than you" attitude. The people behind this terror feel superior for whatever reasons and claim the masses as fodder, a commodity, something to use for their benefit.

The tech brought it to a whole new level. A level that will never be undone unless we lose all ability to be able to use tech.

Don't ever believe for a second you are cared for by the users of this genre. Just another disposable inspiration, entertainment, satisfier of curiosity seeking? I think the psychological aspect that is created is especially despicable. Total plausible deniability so you appear crazy to even your loved ones. What is life worth after that ?
 Quoting: MagentaMage


The user aspect you've got correct, but there are important nuances. For one, there are people who are obviously more concerned about the outcome than others. The ones who are blase about it are those who are both ethnocentric and have an insider status so if the goal fails they are protected from the blowback and don't care about those who aren't in any case. The handwringing ones have an investment in the outcome and are made into the window dressing for the more nihilistic/racist/nationalistic elements, who are the primary beneficiaries. This also has the side effect of making the target feel bad when he/she stands up for themselves allowing for the hardened characters to step in to deliver another blow.

The basic flaw is that for all the protests that humane reasons are behind the attacks, the crueler elements have obviously been assured ahead of time that they bear no costs from their violations of the target. This means that the liberal 'cause' is secondary and disposable, as are the people who represent it. Bad guys with a candy coating of good guys, in other words.

So when a person finally refuses to work together with them any longer, every attempt is made to convey that the liberal cause is the actual reason that the toughs are employed; but even a cursory view of the historical reality shows that the cause in its present form is less than a century old, while the racist elements have an established and respected place in the society that stands to benefit should it succeed. If the target has a conscience, it is absolutely necessary to lie to them to get them onboard, with the hopes of a sunk-cost fallacy of sorts locking them in for the long haul, either to drown their sorrows in material indulgences or else to be gotten rid of once they outlive their usefulness.

Same as it ever was.
 Quoting: Sweet Jesus!



conscience is a beautiful thing but not a trait that all share. Somehow the conscience seems bereft and missing amongst the users of such destructive methods, despite their efforts to wear a mask of concern and care. THe fact that efforts are made to employ said mask tells me they know it is wrong. Perhaps it is all about the biggest commodity in society. Money.

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I think it is more of a class/status thing over any other ideology or culture. Obviously high tech is involved. Only someone with clout and a following would be able to have access to that, not a TI. I think it is used for a multitude of reasons but mostly an ego pablum and form of entertainment. Sure you are given hints it is being done "for your own good" to improve you, that is a carrot. But it doesn't cease. Somehow your wildest dreams are tapped into and used to keep you hooked into the whole scenario once you discover it and ignore the fools saying you need meds or similarly. The fools here are the ones who deny a possibility or validation that this exists.

I mean seriously, since when did any technology only serve the common good for altruistic purposes?

I feel it also taps into a "better than you" attitude. The people behind this terror feel superior for whatever reasons and claim the masses as fodder, a commodity, something to use for their benefit.

The tech brought it to a whole new level. A level that will never be undone unless we lose all ability to be able to use tech.

Don't ever believe for a second you are cared for by the users of this genre. Just another disposable inspiration, entertainment, satisfier of curiosity seeking? I think the psychological aspect that is created is especially despicable. Total plausible deniability so you appear crazy to even your loved ones. What is life worth after that ?
 Quoting: MagentaMage


The user aspect you've got correct, but there are important nuances. For one, there are people who are obviously more concerned about the outcome than others. The ones who are blase about it are those who are both ethnocentric and have an insider status so if the goal fails they are protected from the blowback and don't care about those who aren't in any case. The handwringing ones have an investment in the outcome and are made into the window dressing for the more nihilistic/racist/nationalistic elements, who are the primary beneficiaries. This also has the side effect of making the target feel bad when he/she stands up for themselves allowing for the hardened characters to step in to deliver another blow.

The basic flaw is that for all the protests that humane reasons are behind the attacks, the crueler elements have obviously been assured ahead of time that they bear no costs from their violations of the target. This means that the liberal 'cause' is secondary and disposable, as are the people who represent it. Bad guys with a candy coating of good guys, in other words.

So when a person finally refuses to work together with them any longer, every attempt is made to convey that the liberal cause is the actual reason that the toughs are employed; but even a cursory view of the historical reality shows that the cause in its present form is less than a century old, while the racist elements have an established and respected place in the society that stands to benefit should it succeed. If the target has a conscience, it is absolutely necessary to lie to them to get them onboard, with the hopes of a sunk-cost fallacy of sorts locking them in for the long haul, either to drown their sorrows in material indulgences or else to be gotten rid of once they outlive their usefulness.

Same as it ever was.
 Quoting: Sweet Jesus!



conscience is a beautiful thing but not a trait that all share. Somehow the conscience seems bereft and missing amongst the users of such destructive methods, despite their efforts to wear a mask of concern and care. THe fact that efforts are made to employ said mask tells me they know it is wrong. Perhaps it is all about the biggest commodity in society. Money.
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I have at the least affective empathy. What the people I'm dealing with want is what is called ethnic affiliation. In other words, I'm supposed to deaden a general sympathy for others in favor of a sense of duty to those who share my background alone, with service to anyone else being derivative at best. But those people who are pressing me are the sort who really didn't have any conscience in the way they acted and are the same people as they were when they were children. My empathy just turns off.

Now there are a lot of strategies that try to get me to work together with these people by the more gentle-appearing sort of people--'law of attraction' which is basically the case that I either wouldn't ever meet/be affected by the people if they didn't mirror some aspect of myself, karma as either sin or something I agreed to take on before I was born, or 'it takes all kinds to make a world,' and so forth--but in reality, these nice people really can't justify the behavior of the aggressive assholes without appeal to some kind of theology or metaphysics. It's a lie they have told themselves and now are trying to tell me.

Eventually, the accusations of lacking an ethnic feeling are wrapped up in the accusation of lacking empathy altogether and make it impossible to do good for anyone naively without second guessing myself, so I just stop. It isn't narcissism to get fed up in that way, no matter how many writings by theologians who also said you could beat your wife for refusing to sleep with you (Maimonides) and that black people weren't even human (Maimonides again), along with many other very telling quotes regarding the subject of empathy. I would agree that not everybody has it--sometimes entire nations lack it. But a sense of duty makes many very good at pretending. I also agree that it's all about money.

Anyway, unless you were going to say something important, I am pretty much convinced that writing to any of you on here is a waste of my time. Unless of course you were slyly calling me selfish or concerned solely with my reputation or a reward? In which case, you know where you can go.
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I think it is more of a class/status thing over any other ideology or culture. Obviously high tech is involved. Only someone with clout and a following would be able to have access to that, not a TI. I think it is used for a multitude of reasons but mostly an ego pablum and form of entertainment. Sure you are given hints it is being done "for your own good" to improve you, that is a carrot. But it doesn't cease. Somehow your wildest dreams are tapped into and used to keep you hooked into the whole scenario once you discover it and ignore the fools saying you need meds or similarly. The fools here are the ones who deny a possibility or validation that this exists.

I mean seriously, since when did any technology only serve the common good for altruistic purposes?

I feel it also taps into a "better than you" attitude. The people behind this terror feel superior for whatever reasons and claim the masses as fodder, a commodity, something to use for their benefit.

The tech brought it to a whole new level. A level that will never be undone unless we lose all ability to be able to use tech.

Don't ever believe for a second you are cared for by the users of this genre. Just another disposable inspiration, entertainment, satisfier of curiosity seeking? I think the psychological aspect that is created is especially despicable. Total plausible deniability so you appear crazy to even your loved ones. What is life worth after that ?
 Quoting: MagentaMage


The user aspect you've got correct, but there are important nuances. For one, there are people who are obviously more concerned about the outcome than others. The ones who are blase about it are those who are both ethnocentric and have an insider status so if the goal fails they are protected from the blowback and don't care about those who aren't in any case. The handwringing ones have an investment in the outcome and are made into the window dressing for the more nihilistic/racist/nationalistic elements, who are the primary beneficiaries. This also has the side effect of making the target feel bad when he/she stands up for themselves allowing for the hardened characters to step in to deliver another blow.

The basic flaw is that for all the protests that humane reasons are behind the attacks, the crueler elements have obviously been assured ahead of time that they bear no costs from their violations of the target. This means that the liberal 'cause' is secondary and disposable, as are the people who represent it. Bad guys with a candy coating of good guys, in other words.

So when a person finally refuses to work together with them any longer, every attempt is made to convey that the liberal cause is the actual reason that the toughs are employed; but even a cursory view of the historical reality shows that the cause in its present form is less than a century old, while the racist elements have an established and respected place in the society that stands to benefit should it succeed. If the target has a conscience, it is absolutely necessary to lie to them to get them onboard, with the hopes of a sunk-cost fallacy of sorts locking them in for the long haul, either to drown their sorrows in material indulgences or else to be gotten rid of once they outlive their usefulness.

Same as it ever was.
 Quoting: Sweet Jesus!



conscience is a beautiful thing but not a trait that all share. Somehow the conscience seems bereft and missing amongst the users of such destructive methods, despite their efforts to wear a mask of concern and care. THe fact that efforts are made to employ said mask tells me they know it is wrong. Perhaps it is all about the biggest commodity in society. Money.
 Quoting: MagentaMage


I have at the least affective empathy. What the people I'm dealing with want is what is called ethnic affiliation. In other words, I'm supposed to deaden a general sympathy for others in favor of a sense of duty to those who share my background alone, with service to anyone else being derivative at best. But those people who are pressing me are the sort who really didn't have any conscience in the way they acted and are the same people as they were when they were children. My empathy just turns off.

Now there are a lot of strategies that try to get me to work together with these people by the more gentle-appearing sort of people--'law of attraction' which is basically the case that I either wouldn't ever meet/be affected by the people if they didn't mirror some aspect of myself, karma as either sin or something I agreed to take on before I was born, or 'it takes all kinds to make a world,' and so forth--but in reality, these nice people really can't justify the behavior of the aggressive assholes without appeal to some kind of theology or metaphysics. It's a lie they have told themselves and now are trying to tell me.

Eventually, the accusations of lacking an ethnic feeling are wrapped up in the accusation of lacking empathy altogether and make it impossible to do good for anyone naively without second guessing myself, so I just stop. It isn't narcissism to get fed up in that way, no matter how many writings by theologians who also said you could beat your wife for refusing to sleep with you (Maimonides) and that black people weren't even human (Maimonides again), along with many other very telling quotes regarding the subject of empathy. I would agree that not everybody has it--sometimes entire nations lack it. But a sense of duty makes many very good at pretending. I also agree that it's all about money.

Anyway, unless you were going to say something important, I am pretty much convinced that writing to any of you on here is a waste of my time. Unless of course you were slyly calling me selfish or concerned solely with my reputation or a reward? In which case, you know where you can go.
 Quoting: Sweet Jesus!


Very interesting. I want to take this moment to say I am glad to have this conversation with you. A big part of the sadness and anger stemming from such an experience is you consistently become isolated and face such things alone. For some moments today I have felt less than alone and I am appreciative of that immensely and am grateful.

On what you wrote: I have my own personal experiences in life that have resulted in my opinions of certain subject matter. I do not need any manipulation to feel any greater or lesser, or whatever, there - my experiences are worth more to me than adopting a manipulator's stance of my required "education" -- especially from the shadows or from behind a curtain of sorts. Humph.... The minute I feel manipulation into play I go cold. I was raised by a cruel, unloving, cold narcisstic mother. Retrospect and deep contemplation have taught me that I must go with my own ways and not something forced upon me in passive aggressive ways through a punishing manipulative process. I just buck that, and greatly so, even if just in spite of, perhaps that is wise-ness creeping into my confused persona, I welcome it.

I have always been a clear communicator and direct at that, even in youth. Anyone who claims to know me should know that is the best way to achieve desired results. If I want to play a game, I will unpack a box and play the darn thing, my free will, you see. If I sense, I am being manipulated into playing a game within an unknown agenda I take my ball and go home.

Now the concept of home has lost its meaning, especially through this experience. For that and here and now I must say, I have no home. It is a painful truth that I have come to understand and accept, in my aloneness. And from there I go. This process has stolen that from me and I am not thankful in the least. Everyone should feel a concept of home and happiness of some form or fashion hf
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I think it is more of a class/status thing over any other ideology or culture. Obviously high tech is involved. Only someone with clout and a following would be able to have access to that, not a TI. I think it is used for a multitude of reasons but mostly an ego pablum and form of entertainment. Sure you are given hints it is being done "for your own good" to improve you, that is a carrot. But it doesn't cease. Somehow your wildest dreams are tapped into and used to keep you hooked into the whole scenario once you discover it and ignore the fools saying you need meds or similarly. The fools here are the ones who deny a possibility or validation that this exists.

I mean seriously, since when did any technology only serve the common good for altruistic purposes?

I feel it also taps into a "better than you" attitude. The people behind this terror feel superior for whatever reasons and claim the masses as fodder, a commodity, something to use for their benefit.

The tech brought it to a whole new level. A level that will never be undone unless we lose all ability to be able to use tech.

Don't ever believe for a second you are cared for by the users of this genre. Just another disposable inspiration, entertainment, satisfier of curiosity seeking? I think the psychological aspect that is created is especially despicable. Total plausible deniability so you appear crazy to even your loved ones. What is life worth after that ?
 Quoting: MagentaMage


The user aspect you've got correct, but there are important nuances. For one, there are people who are obviously more concerned about the outcome than others. The ones who are blase about it are those who are both ethnocentric and have an insider status so if the goal fails they are protected from the blowback and don't care about those who aren't in any case. The handwringing ones have an investment in the outcome and are made into the window dressing for the more nihilistic/racist/nationalistic elements, who are the primary beneficiaries. This also has the side effect of making the target feel bad when he/she stands up for themselves allowing for the hardened characters to step in to deliver another blow.

The basic flaw is that for all the protests that humane reasons are behind the attacks, the crueler elements have obviously been assured ahead of time that they bear no costs from their violations of the target. This means that the liberal 'cause' is secondary and disposable, as are the people who represent it. Bad guys with a candy coating of good guys, in other words.

So when a person finally refuses to work together with them any longer, every attempt is made to convey that the liberal cause is the actual reason that the toughs are employed; but even a cursory view of the historical reality shows that the cause in its present form is less than a century old, while the racist elements have an established and respected place in the society that stands to benefit should it succeed. If the target has a conscience, it is absolutely necessary to lie to them to get them onboard, with the hopes of a sunk-cost fallacy of sorts locking them in for the long haul, either to drown their sorrows in material indulgences or else to be gotten rid of once they outlive their usefulness.

Same as it ever was.
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conscience is a beautiful thing but not a trait that all share. Somehow the conscience seems bereft and missing amongst the users of such destructive methods, despite their efforts to wear a mask of concern and care. THe fact that efforts are made to employ said mask tells me they know it is wrong. Perhaps it is all about the biggest commodity in society. Money.
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I have at the least affective empathy. What the people I'm dealing with want is what is called ethnic affiliation. In other words, I'm supposed to deaden a general sympathy for others in favor of a sense of duty to those who share my background alone, with service to anyone else being derivative at best. But those people who are pressing me are the sort who really didn't have any conscience in the way they acted and are the same people as they were when they were children. My empathy just turns off.

Now there are a lot of strategies that try to get me to work together with these people by the more gentle-appearing sort of people--'law of attraction' which is basically the case that I either wouldn't ever meet/be affected by the people if they didn't mirror some aspect of myself, karma as either sin or something I agreed to take on before I was born, or 'it takes all kinds to make a world,' and so forth--but in reality, these nice people really can't justify the behavior of the aggressive assholes without appeal to some kind of theology or metaphysics. It's a lie they have told themselves and now are trying to tell me.

Eventually, the accusations of lacking an ethnic feeling are wrapped up in the accusation of lacking empathy altogether and make it impossible to do good for anyone naively without second guessing myself, so I just stop. It isn't narcissism to get fed up in that way, no matter how many writings by theologians who also said you could beat your wife for refusing to sleep with you (Maimonides) and that black people weren't even human (Maimonides again), along with many other very telling quotes regarding the subject of empathy. I would agree that not everybody has it--sometimes entire nations lack it. But a sense of duty makes many very good at pretending. I also agree that it's all about money.

Anyway, unless you were going to say something important, I am pretty much convinced that writing to any of you on here is a waste of my time. Unless of course you were slyly calling me selfish or concerned solely with my reputation or a reward? In which case, you know where you can go.
 Quoting: Sweet Jesus!


Separately but not less important. Your response here just fit a few pieces of the puzzle into my vast mental research and understanding about some things I have been dealing with or have had to recently navigate through. Shivers truly because they were uncomfortable moments just out of the blue or from left field. Especially work related events. I get really pissed at the lack of respect of boundaries going through this.

Overall, it seems when I get out of a certain deep hole caused by chaos and weird events, just when I start to relax a little I am forced back into another situation. I just don't have it me anymore to try. I am effing tired, literally, mentally and can't even go home to relax and recuperate. Enough is enough.
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No gangstalking here in Amstelveen

Maybe in Taviv .. lets see when go on beachholiday to eulat...
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The user aspect you've got correct, but there are important nuances. For one, there are people who are obviously more concerned about the outcome than others. The ones who are blase about it are those who are both ethnocentric and have an insider status so if the goal fails they are protected from the blowback and don't care about those who aren't in any case. The handwringing ones have an investment in the outcome and are made into the window dressing for the more nihilistic/racist/nationalistic elements, who are the primary beneficiaries. This also has the side effect of making the target feel bad when he/she stands up for themselves allowing for the hardened characters to step in to deliver another blow.

The basic flaw is that for all the protests that humane reasons are behind the attacks, the crueler elements have obviously been assured ahead of time that they bear no costs from their violations of the target. This means that the liberal 'cause' is secondary and disposable, as are the people who represent it. Bad guys with a candy coating of good guys, in other words.

So when a person finally refuses to work together with them any longer, every attempt is made to convey that the liberal cause is the actual reason that the toughs are employed; but even a cursory view of the historical reality shows that the cause in its present form is less than a century old, while the racist elements have an established and respected place in the society that stands to benefit should it succeed. If the target has a conscience, it is absolutely necessary to lie to them to get them onboard, with the hopes of a sunk-cost fallacy of sorts locking them in for the long haul, either to drown their sorrows in material indulgences or else to be gotten rid of once they outlive their usefulness.

Same as it ever was.
 Quoting: Sweet Jesus!



conscience is a beautiful thing but not a trait that all share. Somehow the conscience seems bereft and missing amongst the users of such destructive methods, despite their efforts to wear a mask of concern and care. THe fact that efforts are made to employ said mask tells me they know it is wrong. Perhaps it is all about the biggest commodity in society. Money.
 Quoting: MagentaMage


I have at the least affective empathy. What the people I'm dealing with want is what is called ethnic affiliation. In other words, I'm supposed to deaden a general sympathy for others in favor of a sense of duty to those who share my background alone, with service to anyone else being derivative at best. But those people who are pressing me are the sort who really didn't have any conscience in the way they acted and are the same people as they were when they were children. My empathy just turns off.

Now there are a lot of strategies that try to get me to work together with these people by the more gentle-appearing sort of people--'law of attraction' which is basically the case that I either wouldn't ever meet/be affected by the people if they didn't mirror some aspect of myself, karma as either sin or something I agreed to take on before I was born, or 'it takes all kinds to make a world,' and so forth--but in reality, these nice people really can't justify the behavior of the aggressive assholes without appeal to some kind of theology or metaphysics. It's a lie they have told themselves and now are trying to tell me.

Eventually, the accusations of lacking an ethnic feeling are wrapped up in the accusation of lacking empathy altogether and make it impossible to do good for anyone naively without second guessing myself, so I just stop. It isn't narcissism to get fed up in that way, no matter how many writings by theologians who also said you could beat your wife for refusing to sleep with you (Maimonides) and that black people weren't even human (Maimonides again), along with many other very telling quotes regarding the subject of empathy. I would agree that not everybody has it--sometimes entire nations lack it. But a sense of duty makes many very good at pretending. I also agree that it's all about money.

Anyway, unless you were going to say something important, I am pretty much convinced that writing to any of you on here is a waste of my time. Unless of course you were slyly calling me selfish or concerned solely with my reputation or a reward? In which case, you know where you can go.
 Quoting: Sweet Jesus!


Separately but not less important. Your response here just fit a few pieces of the puzzle into my vast mental research and understanding about some things I have been dealing with or have had to recently navigate through. Shivers truly because they were uncomfortable moments just out of the blue or from left field. Especially work related events. I get really pissed at the lack of respect of boundaries going through this.

Overall, it seems when I get out of a certain deep hole caused by chaos and weird events, just when I start to relax a little I am forced back into another situation. I just don't have it me anymore to try. I am effing tired, literally, mentally and can't even go home to relax and recuperate. Enough is enough.
 Quoting: MagentaMage


There's an argument technique where you attach extremely personal traumas to a subject you want the traumatized person to let go of, whether as a framing device for the topic itself or as tangentially brought up in the course of an argument you have no intention of budging on. The people who pick fights with me seem to insist on fighting this way because it ties in moral opposition to some 'issues' I have rather than any sort of considered thought process that led us to have different opinions. After awhile I just get tired of the person altogether, because they have a certain look they intend for me to have and will have no respect for my personal boundaries until they get it. Then others of them are surprised when our relationship is defined by fighting whenever they don't get everything they want that I'm willing to cut ties no matter how harmful it is to my personal interests. So I get you there.
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you guys write well and seem real smart. im not. im a monkey from a monkey family whos lucky (unlucky) to be alive at this point
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it is only us getting our karma from others - turn within - search your mind for something you did to someone else that they did to you - forgive them unconditionally and move on from it - love them - and be kind and forgive yourself for hurting others
if you can't find something similar within your own life, then look at it as something from a past life
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those who know, do not speak, there is more wisdom in the silence
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it is only us getting our karma from others - turn within - search your mind for something you did to someone else that they did to you - forgive them unconditionally and move on from it - love them - and be kind and forgive yourself for hurting others
if you can't find something similar within your own life, then look at it as something from a past life
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my father basically put me here. and i clearly forgive him and try to help him. this is garbage b. fukin s bullsh1t

why would anyone want to be here like this. fukin bs garbage fake mind weirdness fake ppl. fuk it
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the world is at war. and if you are a t.i you are a victim of all of it. brutality everywhere seen and unseen. some reasons greedy some necessary but none work for me really
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it is only us getting our karma from others - turn within - search your mind for something you did to someone else that they did to you - forgive them unconditionally and move on from it - love them - and be kind and forgive yourself for hurting others
if you can't find something similar within your own life, then look at it as something from a past life
 Quoting: ~metanoia~


um, this has nothing to do with purely spiritual or metaphysical situations or of any past lives, in entirety. This is a true, visceral, horrid, real and grueling way to live in this current world. Most of it has nothing to do with me or the person I am. Sure, the projections are there during the process and horror experience of it, to make you believe that you are at fault. I am not at fault for any other's ill intended misuse of power or issues they may have with me. That I accept some sort of blame or responsibility for the situation(s) that this has caused, the soul killing experience I find as a result of living this nightmare is not mine alone to blame. so no, it ain't my fault, I am not the one who is misusing my power. Ugh.
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it is only us getting our karma from others - turn within - search your mind for something you did to someone else that they did to you - forgive them unconditionally and move on from it - love them - and be kind and forgive yourself for hurting others
if you can't find something similar within your own life, then look at it as something from a past life
 Quoting: ~metanoia~


um, this has nothing to do with purely spiritual or metaphysical situations or of any past lives, in entirety. This is a true, visceral, horrid, real and grueling way to live in this current world. Most of it has nothing to do with me or the person I am. Sure, the projections are there during the process and horror experience of it, to make you believe that you are at fault. I am not at fault for any other's ill intended misuse of power or issues they may have with me. That I accept some sort of blame or responsibility for the situation(s) that this has caused, the soul killing experience I find as a result of living this nightmare is not mine alone to blame. so no, it ain't my fault, I am not the one who is misusing my power. Ugh.
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A quote form Steiner

We speak of reincarnation and the law of karma. One can tell oneself: I don't believe in reincarnation, but I can assume that it exists. I'll act as if my assumption is true and wait to see what comes of it.
A man who thinks and acts like this will make amazing discoveries. In everything that happens to him he'll think: I caused this in a past life and now bear the consequences of my own deeds.
If such a man unconsciously did something foolish and he's punished for it, he'll think: I'll make myself aware of this foolishness, so that I can see that I was the one who brought on these ugly consequences.
This is the real meaning of: Whoever hits you on the right cheek, turn the other one to him also.
Anyone who succeeds in looking for the cause of everything that hits him in himself has accomplished a great deal. One who does this will soon notice that it brings him forward, that he begins to loosen karmic chains and increasingly gets control of his life.
Such a man treads his life's path freely and surely. One can verify all theosophical teachings in the same way. So let's all try to bring ever more spirituality into life and make the light and life that the great masters stream into us alive.
You should all realize that the battles theosophy and especially esotericism will have to fight with the outer world will get ever bigger.
There it's a matter of standing fast and being silent, my sisters and brothers, and stand fast, as you look at your goal and at the great masters who stand by us."
~Rudolf Steiner 
Cayce and Jesus - the Kingdom is within us all
2046 Vogt's Sun Nova
those who know, do not speak, there is more wisdom in the silence
heaven won't accept impurity
the heartbroken are the most wicked
lead me back to heaven
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it is only us getting our karma from others - turn within - search your mind for something you did to someone else that they did to you - forgive them unconditionally and move on from it - love them - and be kind and forgive yourself for hurting others
if you can't find something similar within your own life, then look at it as something from a past life
 Quoting: ~metanoia~


um, this has nothing to do with purely spiritual or metaphysical situations or of any past lives, in entirety. This is a true, visceral, horrid, real and grueling way to live in this current world. Most of it has nothing to do with me or the person I am. Sure, the projections are there during the process and horror experience of it, to make you believe that you are at fault. I am not at fault for any other's ill intended misuse of power or issues they may have with me. That I accept some sort of blame or responsibility for the situation(s) that this has caused, the soul killing experience I find as a result of living this nightmare is not mine alone to blame. so no, it ain't my fault, I am not the one who is misusing my power. Ugh.
 Quoting: MagentaMage


A quote form Steiner

We speak of reincarnation and the law of karma. One can tell oneself: I don't believe in reincarnation, but I can assume that it exists. I'll act as if my assumption is true and wait to see what comes of it.
A man who thinks and acts like this will make amazing discoveries. In everything that happens to him he'll think: I caused this in a past life and now bear the consequences of my own deeds.
If such a man unconsciously did something foolish and he's punished for it, he'll think: I'll make myself aware of this foolishness, so that I can see that I was the one who brought on these ugly consequences.
This is the real meaning of: Whoever hits you on the right cheek, turn the other one to him also.
Anyone who succeeds in looking for the cause of everything that hits him in himself has accomplished a great deal. One who does this will soon notice that it brings him forward, that he begins to loosen karmic chains and increasingly gets control of his life.
Such a man treads his life's path freely and surely. One can verify all theosophical teachings in the same way. So let's all try to bring ever more spirituality into life and make the light and life that the great masters stream into us alive.
You should all realize that the battles theosophy and especially esotericism will have to fight with the outer world will get ever bigger.
There it's a matter of standing fast and being silent, my sisters and brothers, and stand fast, as you look at your goal and at the great masters who stand by us."
~Rudolf Steiner 
 Quoting: ~metanoia~


nope, i get what you are trying to convey, or mr. steiner is trying to convey. Asked simply...then why do "they" hide? These are people on our planet Earth involved in shenanigans. Why do the coward's hide? What is so scary to them or makes them not want to be seen. If it is some karma it is synthetic karma that "they" think you should be reaping, again the "better than/holier than thou" attitude. You did this in 7 lives ago, my momma told me bla blah and now you have to suffer and lose your privacy and do pennance in this life because you, um, uhhhh, yeah you smoke cigarettes? From where I sit and what I have been through it/this comment from you, appreciated for the energy, does feel like gas lighting. Nope....

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Why is it I can’t help but feel I’ve been totally screwed over in life? Like used abused victimized stolen from lied to and left with no recourse of ever getting back on my feet?
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The point is to destroy you mentally.

Leave you as an empty shell of a person.

With no will to make yourself something.
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They gave me the will to build their box, when I decide to round'em up...
 Quoting: BRIEF


Same. They don't realize that their abuse and manipulation don't work on everyone. In fact, it only makes the strong that much more stronger...
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while the bolded can be true, it is fleeting and won't sustain. There is no way a person can endure years of torture and come out a better person. Esp. when they have no support structure, and, this current society isn't conducive to helping the down and out in loving and caring ways. It is a cruel place to be these days. Life is worthless to most of the common humans and with this group doing this stuff, well it seems even more the case.
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The point is to destroy you mentally.

Leave you as an empty shell of a person.

With no will to make yourself something.
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They gave me the will to build their box, when I decide to round'em up...
 Quoting: BRIEF


Same. They don't realize that their abuse and manipulation don't work on everyone. In fact, it only makes the strong that much more stronger...
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 82473020


while the bolded can be true, it is fleeting and won't sustain. There is no way a person can endure years of torture and come out a better person. Esp. when they have no support structure, and, this current society isn't conducive to helping the down and out in loving and caring ways. It is a cruel place to be these days. Life is worthless to most of the common humans and with this group doing this stuff, well it seems even more the case.
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It also fails to cause the victim to empathize with the politics of the torturers after the fact. Nice try, though. Other people have hurt me to make a point before. The message that got across was that they are vicious.
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They gave me the will to build their box, when I decide to round'em up...
 Quoting: BRIEF


Same. They don't realize that their abuse and manipulation don't work on everyone. In fact, it only makes the strong that much more stronger...
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while the bolded can be true, it is fleeting and won't sustain. There is no way a person can endure years of torture and come out a better person. Esp. when they have no support structure, and, this current society isn't conducive to helping the down and out in loving and caring ways. It is a cruel place to be these days. Life is worthless to most of the common humans and with this group doing this stuff, well it seems even more the case.
 Quoting: MagentaMage


It also fails to cause the victim to empathize with the politics of the torturers after the fact. Nice try, though. Other people have hurt me to make a point before. The message that got across was that they are vicious.
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yes I have been back and forth with the not gonna ever empathize and then I get pulled back in. It doesn't help that they have mined my heart and used who I love to the core as the carrot trying to make me believe there is some sort of reconciliation and happy ending. I know painfully, foolishly differently now. Ya know. it is really sad because I could have made a difference in the world and provided talents and gifts. Not anymore, I just want to disappear because I know that is the only way it will go away. My hopes and dreams have been used against me and I overcame tremendous odds and did what I thought I should do for "them" over and over, it never stops. The hard part is knowing the hypocrisy involved in the expectations put upon me. That is how I came to realize that has to be for inspiration and entertainment purposes, a pasttime of a rich and powerful person, like a personal jester or private dancer, sigh.... To them, my struggle and strife was more important than me finding joy yet I was supposed to show and express joy like a good little controlled puppet. There is no joy, less to believe in anymore and definitely no hope.

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Same. They don't realize that their abuse and manipulation don't work on everyone. In fact, it only makes the strong that much more stronger...
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while the bolded can be true, it is fleeting and won't sustain. There is no way a person can endure years of torture and come out a better person. Esp. when they have no support structure, and, this current society isn't conducive to helping the down and out in loving and caring ways. It is a cruel place to be these days. Life is worthless to most of the common humans and with this group doing this stuff, well it seems even more the case.
 Quoting: MagentaMage


It also fails to cause the victim to empathize with the politics of the torturers after the fact. Nice try, though. Other people have hurt me to make a point before. The message that got across was that they are vicious.
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yes I have been back and forth with the not gonna ever empathize and then I get pulled back in. It doesn't help that they have mined my heart and used who I love to the core as the carrot trying to make me believe there is some sort of reconciliation and happy ending. I know painfully, foolishly differently now. Ya know. it is really sad because I could have made a difference in the world and provided talents and gifts. Not anymore, I just want to disappear because I know that is the only way it will go away. My hopes and dreams have been used against me and I overcame tremendous odds and did what I thought I should do for "them" over and over, it never stops. The hard part is knowing the hypocrisy involved in the expectations put upon me. That is how I came to realize that has to be for inspiration and entertainment purposes, a pasttime of a rich and powerful person, like a personal jester or private dancer, sigh.... To them, my struggle and strife was more important than me finding joy yet I was supposed to show and express joy like a good little controlled puppet. There is no joy, less to believe in anymore and definitely no hope.
 Quoting: MagentaMage


I expected as much from the beginning, frankly. I should have killed myself at sixteen when it happened the second time. It isn't just the rich, though: it is pretty deeply engrained in the psyche throughout the ethnicity. Just the reasoning changes. It's why the text insists on forgiveness much more strongly than it tells people not to do something that would require forgiveness later. The person it favors is the guy who says "better to ask for forgiveness than to ask for permission." In the end, it's just easier not to care for anyone, anywhere at all. Sorry to say.





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