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Anonymous Coward User ID: 49880811 United States 07/31/2022 06:07 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: 2.2 Gallons of dry wood EQUALS 1 Gallon of gasoline BTU's yet we let trees rot or become forest fires that could have heated/driven us all year. I've seen a few cars set up to run on wood gas, but realistically you'd only get away with using those on the farm or in a post shtf scenario, they'd never let you use one on the road legally because of emissions bullshit, that also doesn't take into account the power needed to process the wood to be able to use it as fuel, but that's irrelevant, shit works. [link to www.youtube.com (secure)] I'm half tempted to try something like this out on a smaller scale to run my lawn mowing tractor. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 72198701 United States 07/31/2022 06:12 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: 2.2 Gallons of dry wood EQUALS 1 Gallon of gasoline BTU's yet we let trees rot or become forest fires that could have heated/driven us all year. either way the ICE engine is woefully inadequate....look at all the heat it wastes a different fuel is not a solution. we need the navy to share a whole different system of propulsion....which their patents suggest they have. |
Anonymous Coward (OP) User ID: 83944161 United States 07/31/2022 06:15 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: 2.2 Gallons of dry wood EQUALS 1 Gallon of gasoline BTU's yet we let trees rot or become forest fires that could have heated/driven us all year. " Thus, if all the energy released by the wildfires of 2002 could have been captured and used it could have supplied enough electricity for 64,200,000 people,..." From--- file:///C:/Users/bb/Downloads/ifwildfirewereelectricity.pdf |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 72198701 United States 07/31/2022 06:21 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: 2.2 Gallons of dry wood EQUALS 1 Gallon of gasoline BTU's yet we let trees rot or become forest fires that could have heated/driven us all year. I've seen a few cars set up to run on wood gas, but realistically you'd only get away with using those on the farm or in a post shtf scenario, they'd never let you use one on the road legally because of emissions bullshit, that also doesn't take into account the power needed to process the wood to be able to use it as fuel, but that's irrelevant, shit works. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 49880811 [link to www.youtube.com (secure)] I'm half tempted to try something like this out on a smaller scale to run my lawn mowing tractor. a better use for wood fuel is home and water heating units. they make them free standing like a hot water heater and they are outdoor units. they are fully contained...all the owner needs to do is put scrap would in the burner. they are spendy though. I worked on a ganja farm that had one and the owner was a rep for the company. i also hitched a ride one time with a guy who sold waste oil heaters to auto repair shops...especially places that worked on semis. i can't remember the name of either company, i tried to search...but there are so many now. there are even units that burn wood or oil waste....there are gobs of garage made ones too. if live in a wooded area you can heat your home and water for next to nothing. this post was brought to you by traffic lights. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 72198701 United States 07/31/2022 06:23 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: 2.2 Gallons of dry wood EQUALS 1 Gallon of gasoline BTU's yet we let trees rot or become forest fires that could have heated/driven us all year. " Thus, if all the energy released by the wildfires of 2002 could have been Quoting: Anonymous Coward 83944161 captured and used it could have supplied enough electricity for 64,200,000 people,..." From--- file:///C:/Users/bb/Downloads/ifwildfirewereelectricity.pdf one would think it's all just sitting up their against the dome. this post brought to you by stairs. |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 83977073 United States 08/07/2022 10:32 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: 2.2 Gallons of dry wood EQUALS 1 Gallon of gasoline BTU's yet we let trees rot or become forest fires that could have heated/driven us all year. OH PLEASE! There is enough petroleum on Earth to last us FOREVER. It is NOT dino dung, it is ROCK OIL, which is what petroleum means. It is produced in the Earth, and the supply is endless. It will last as long as the Earth does. Dead trees however are very useful to the environment in MANY ways. They, like petroleum, will be here as long as the Earth exists, so don't worry about it. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 82524972 United States 08/07/2022 10:37 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: 2.2 Gallons of dry wood EQUALS 1 Gallon of gasoline BTU's yet we let trees rot or become forest fires that could have heated/driven us all year. CO2 is what all natural carbohydrates are made from. CO2 is where all oxygen is extracted from. Without CO2 you suffocate and starve. There's no natural alternative. The point is that whether you burn it or let it rot the end result is repeated CO2 transformation in the carbon cycle. |
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User ID: 81925158 United States 08/07/2022 10:41 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: 2.2 Gallons of dry wood EQUALS 1 Gallon of gasoline BTU's yet we let trees rot or become forest fires that could have heated/driven us all year. You can run any combustion motor on wood gas. Just search gasifier. There are plenty of plans and videos showing how to build one and use one [link to www.build-a-gasifier.com (secure)] Peace Love and Leo |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 83968596 United States 08/07/2022 10:52 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: 2.2 Gallons of dry wood EQUALS 1 Gallon of gasoline BTU's yet we let trees rot or become forest fires that could have heated/driven us all year. Wood rots to CO2 some directly and some with methane intermediate stage. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 82524972 CO2 is what all natural carbohydrates are made from. CO2 is where all oxygen is extracted from. Without CO2 you suffocate and starve. There's no natural alternative. The point is that whether you burn it or let it rot the end result is repeated CO2 transformation in the carbon cycle. Since the the outcome of wood rotting or being burned is co2...why not burn it to power our needs? Same amount of co2 from the wood rotting and forest fires as when the dead wood is collected and burned to make electricity and heat. The use of wood for energy creation is a type of Free Energy. No more co2 as a result of using wood as fuel instead of letting it rot on forest ground. And wood ash spread back on soil is good for plant growth. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 83969816 United States 08/07/2022 10:57 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: 2.2 Gallons of dry wood EQUALS 1 Gallon of gasoline BTU's yet we let trees rot or become forest fires that could have heated/driven us all year. The emissions from wood gas are supposedly much cleaner than petroleum. The big downsides are tar deposits if not filtered correctly and lower hp potential. In other words if you have a 10hp designed to run on gasoline, you will at best get about 6hp out of it using wood gas. I am experimenting with one right now because I would like to have another alternative to run my generator in the event of a power outage, but frankly I haven’t found the “secret sauce” yet. It looks basic and simple to build, but if you don’t get everything right all you have made is a smoker as I have unfortunately experienced. But I’m not giving up, if I get this going I think it will be a great source of renewable alternative energy. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 83968596 United States 08/07/2022 11:08 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: 2.2 Gallons of dry wood EQUALS 1 Gallon of gasoline BTU's yet we let trees rot or become forest fires that could have heated/driven us all year. Isn't the end result of gasification of wood (ie pulling volatile gases out of the wood by burning wood in an oxygen starved environment) biochar? Biochar is very good at enriching soil for plant growth. So useful energy is obtained for human use and decades of increased fertility of soil can result. And less or no fossil fuel needs and wars as a result. |
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JAZZz50
User ID: 79996701 08/07/2022 11:17 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: 2.2 Gallons of dry wood EQUALS 1 Gallon of gasoline BTU's yet we let trees rot or become forest fires that could have heated/driven us all year. The emissions from wood gas are supposedly much cleaner than petroleum. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 83969816 The big downsides are tar deposits if not filtered correctly and lower hp potential. In other words if you have a 10hp designed to run on gasoline, you will at best get about 6hp out of it using wood gas. I am experimenting with one right now because I would like to have another alternative to run my generator in the event of a power outage, but frankly I haven’t found the “secret sauce” yet. It looks basic and simple to build, but if you don’t get everything right all you have made is a smoker as I have unfortunately experienced. But I’m not giving up, if I get this going I think it will be a great source of renewable alternative energy. i think the problem is the amount of energy lost in producing heat. the newer style wood stoves are more efficient, but u still are making heat not gas. now if u turned that hear into steam energy, u might recoup some of the loss. i do think we have the tech to do such a thing and make it very efficient. centripital force cranks, less friction. and this would b a renewable energy source. not sure it would work on a massive scale to power a town but would b useful in a prep/SHTF situation. i did see a video where they converted the wood into an oil. i believe they distilled the gas. this would store the fuel for later use. in this case, u could heat during winter and save some of the fuel for a summer energy source. long as we are on the subject, we could look at hammer pumps for water. use this to take the water up 50feet and fill a tank. use gravity of falling water from there to turn a generator. other than up front costs and the wearing out of the pressure valves, this is close to a free energy sealed system. JAZZZ50 2020 The SHTF literally as TP ran out. we went from being over the target, to actually being the target. too close to the truth. if i had a dollar for everytime someone says "merge" without using the word, i'd b so green i'd b King of Mars. |
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JAZZz50
User ID: 79996701 08/07/2022 11:33 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: 2.2 Gallons of dry wood EQUALS 1 Gallon of gasoline BTU's yet we let trees rot or become forest fires that could have heated/driven us all year. we need someone from CORNELL to run the math for us. would b interesting to compare the #'s- energy equivilance, amount of wood needed, height and output rations for a water system,etc. JAZZZ50 2020 The SHTF literally as TP ran out. we went from being over the target, to actually being the target. too close to the truth. if i had a dollar for everytime someone says "merge" without using the word, i'd b so green i'd b King of Mars. |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 83968596 United States 08/07/2022 11:56 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: 2.2 Gallons of dry wood EQUALS 1 Gallon of gasoline BTU's yet we let trees rot or become forest fires that could have heated/driven us all year. we need someone from CORNELL to run the math for us. would b interesting to compare the #'s- energy equivilance, amount of wood needed, height and output rations for a water system,etc. Quoting: JAZZz50 Cornell vaxxed the hell out of it's students and staff...better to get true data from somewhere else. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 82524972 United States 08/07/2022 02:01 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: 2.2 Gallons of dry wood EQUALS 1 Gallon of gasoline BTU's yet we let trees rot or become forest fires that could have heated/driven us all year. Wood rots to CO2 some directly and some with methane intermediate stage. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 82524972 CO2 is what all natural carbohydrates are made from. CO2 is where all oxygen is extracted from. Without CO2 you suffocate and starve. There's no natural alternative. The point is that whether you burn it or let it rot the end result is repeated CO2 transformation in the carbon cycle. Since the the outcome of wood rotting or being burned is co2...why not burn it to power our needs? Same amount of co2 from the wood rotting and forest fires as when the dead wood is collected and burned to make electricity and heat. The use of wood for energy creation is a type of Free Energy. No more co2 as a result of using wood as fuel instead of letting it rot on forest ground. And wood ash spread back on soil is good for plant growth. I heat my homes with lumber industry waste products mixed with food grade plastic the combination yields a cleaner and hotter fire in the proper combustion atmosphere. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 83978156 United States 08/07/2022 02:07 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: 2.2 Gallons of dry wood EQUALS 1 Gallon of gasoline BTU's yet we let trees rot or become forest fires that could have heated/driven us all year. we need someone from CORNELL to run the math for us. would b interesting to compare the #'s- energy equivilance, amount of wood needed, height and output rations for a water system,etc. Quoting: JAZZz50 Thread: 1,068 of 25,582 cornell students had pos. covid test last week---- 1 in every 25,582 in India had pos. test last week --- LINKS |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 83851101 United States 08/07/2022 03:02 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: 2.2 Gallons of dry wood EQUALS 1 Gallon of gasoline BTU's yet we let trees rot or become forest fires that could have heated/driven us all year. Rotting trees are necessary to keep the top soil of the forests healthy. People just need to quit using so much fucking energy. Modern humans are pathetic spoiled babies. |
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User ID: 78973486 United States 08/07/2022 03:04 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: 2.2 Gallons of dry wood EQUALS 1 Gallon of gasoline BTU's yet we let trees rot or become forest fires that could have heated/driven us all year. OH PLEASE! There is enough petroleum on Earth to last us FOREVER. It is NOT dino dung, it is ROCK OIL, which is what petroleum means. It is produced in the Earth, and the supply is endless. It will last as long as the Earth does. Dead trees however are very useful to the environment in MANY ways. They, like petroleum, will be here as long as the Earth exists, so don't worry about it. Liberalism is totalitarianism with a human face – Thomas Sowell |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 77773591 Canada 08/07/2022 03:24 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: 2.2 Gallons of dry wood EQUALS 1 Gallon of gasoline BTU's yet we let trees rot or become forest fires that could have heated/driven us all year. OH PLEASE! There is enough petroleum on Earth to last us FOREVER. It is NOT dino dung, it is ROCK OIL, which is what petroleum means. It is produced in the Earth, and the supply is endless. It will last as long as the Earth does. Dead trees however are very useful to the environment in MANY ways. They, like petroleum, will be here as long as the Earth exists, so don't worry about it. That doesn't change the fact that our forests are mismanaged |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 83978156 United States 08/07/2022 07:39 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: 2.2 Gallons of dry wood EQUALS 1 Gallon of gasoline BTU's yet we let trees rot or become forest fires that could have heated/driven us all year. Wood rots to CO2 some directly and some with methane intermediate stage. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 82524972 CO2 is what all natural carbohydrates are made from. CO2 is where all oxygen is extracted from. Without CO2 you suffocate and starve. There's no natural alternative. The point is that whether you burn it or let it rot the end result is repeated CO2 transformation in the carbon cycle. Since the the outcome of wood rotting or being burned is co2...why not burn it to power our needs? Same amount of co2 from the wood rotting and forest fires as when the dead wood is collected and burned to make electricity and heat. The use of wood for energy creation is a type of Free Energy. No more co2 as a result of using wood as fuel instead of letting it rot on forest ground. And wood ash spread back on soil is good for plant growth. |