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(OP) User ID: 19437667 United States 08/01/2022 08:30 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: Democrats ‘Assault Weapons’ Ban Will Outlaw a Host of Everyday Firearms Owned by Law-Abiding Citizens It doesn’t matter what they “outlaw” or “ban”. None of their gun confiscation “laws” are constitutional or legitimate. Quoting: Lord of the Sheeple you're right they wouldnt lock anyone up for what they deem to be crimes. Just like they wont arrest people protesting scotus house, just like they released the guy on minor assualt charges for tryign to stab a candidate and not attempted murder, and they release antifa .. wait what??!! Coastie Patriot SIC SEMPER TYRRANIS THE SAME PEOPLE WHO SAID NO GUNS BECAUSE OF POLICE NOW WANT TO DEFUND THE POLICE!!!! Dr Thaddeus They They don't really care whether the truth gets out, because the public no longer knows what's meant by "the truth." Well, I mean, no one can tell the difference anymore between what's real and what's fake. Anyway, the point is, I can tell you all of this, right out in the open, because it doesn't matter who knows about it. They won't know whether to believe it or not.- X Files: Lost art of Forehead Sweat A gun is a tool, Marion, no better or no worse than any other tool, an axe, a shovel or anything. A gun is as good or as bad as the man using it. Remember that. -SHANE- Jefferson Smith: You see, boys forget what their country means by just reading The Land of the Free in history books. Then they get to be men they forget even more. Liberty's too precious a thing to be buried in books, Miss Saunders. Men should hold it up in front of them every single day of their lives and say: I'm free to think and to speak. My ancestors couldn't, I can, and my children will. Boys ought to grow up remembering that . - MR Smith Goes To Washington- to grow up remembering th My oath to support and defend the constitution against all enemies foreign and domestic has no expiration date!!! Ten Bears : It's sad that governments are chiefed by the double tongues. There is iron in your words of death for all Comanche to see and so there is iron in your words of life. No signed paper can hold the iron. It must come from men. Outlaw Josey Wales |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 15127697 United States 08/01/2022 08:37 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: Democrats ‘Assault Weapons’ Ban Will Outlaw a Host of Everyday Firearms Owned by Law-Abiding Citizens Not that I endorse this law by any stretch (it is blatantly unconstitutional, virtually admitted even by the bill's supporters), I did not see in the linked article any justification that the proposed ban was "more sweeping" than the 1994 ban. If you are going to claim the ban extends to many more types of firearms than those targeted by the '94 ban, you should be able to call out a few examples. Doing the one, without the other, is at best poor journalism or at worst, a propaganda piece designed to portray a very bad bill as worse than it actually is. Facts matter and pro-gunners lose the moral high ground if they use exaggerations and mischaracterizations to try to push a point. IMHO just telling the unadorned facts paints a damning enough picture, without any stretching of the facts remotely necessary. |
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Lord of the Sheeple
User ID: 77497299 United States 08/01/2022 09:06 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: Democrats ‘Assault Weapons’ Ban Will Outlaw a Host of Everyday Firearms Owned by Law-Abiding Citizens It doesn’t matter what they “outlaw” or “ban”. None of their gun confiscation “laws” are constitutional or legitimate. Quoting: Lord of the Sheeple you're right they wouldnt lock anyone up for what they deem to be crimes. Just like they wont arrest people protesting scotus house, just like they released the guy on minor assualt charges for tryign to stab a candidate and not attempted murder, and they release antifa .. wait what??!! When they do those things, they are acting unlawfully and are just behaving as criminals. Yes, criminals can hurt you and even kill you, but they have no legitimacy. Criminals can be defeated and should not be feared or given legitimacy that they do not have. The Constitution prevails unless people are cowards. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 78107266 United States 08/01/2022 09:07 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: Democrats ‘Assault Weapons’ Ban Will Outlaw a Host of Everyday Firearms Owned by Law-Abiding Citizens We are about to go to war with China, so what is the rush to ban any weapons and force people to turn them in? Can I get a liberal or a democrat to give me a honest answer? or even an answer that you have been told to use by your masters? |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 54243940 United States 08/01/2022 09:28 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: Democrats ‘Assault Weapons’ Ban Will Outlaw a Host of Everyday Firearms Owned by Law-Abiding Citizens The new bill is exactly the same as the '94 bill. That ban lasted 10 years and courts found it Constitutional. (They didn't change anything because the old law has already been approved by multiple courts -- any new restrictions could open it up to new lawsuits.) It bans the production and sale of new weapons and accessories that are listed in the bill. It has no affect on existing weapons and accessories that are already legally owned. If you have an AR, or a pistol with a threaded barrel tip, or a 30 round magazine, they aren't trying to take them away. And if you currently own a prohibited item, you'll still be able to sell it. If you don't own one, you'll be able to buy a pre-ban item. Just like the '94 ban this doesn't change anything regarding the stuff that already exists. You can own, use, transport, buy, or sell any existing items. The ban only applies to items made on or after the date when the ban goes into effect. ---------------- It's a stupid, useless law just like the '94 ban. The only thing it'll accomplish is to drive up the prices of pre-ban items. But it's not confiscation. It's not the end of the world. It's just going back to the way things were from 1994 to 2004. |
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(OP) User ID: 19437667 United States 08/01/2022 09:31 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: Democrats ‘Assault Weapons’ Ban Will Outlaw a Host of Everyday Firearms Owned by Law-Abiding Citizens it only needs 10 votes from senate... not a lot not a little either Coastie Patriot SIC SEMPER TYRRANIS THE SAME PEOPLE WHO SAID NO GUNS BECAUSE OF POLICE NOW WANT TO DEFUND THE POLICE!!!! Dr Thaddeus They They don't really care whether the truth gets out, because the public no longer knows what's meant by "the truth." Well, I mean, no one can tell the difference anymore between what's real and what's fake. Anyway, the point is, I can tell you all of this, right out in the open, because it doesn't matter who knows about it. They won't know whether to believe it or not.- X Files: Lost art of Forehead Sweat A gun is a tool, Marion, no better or no worse than any other tool, an axe, a shovel or anything. A gun is as good or as bad as the man using it. Remember that. -SHANE- Jefferson Smith: You see, boys forget what their country means by just reading The Land of the Free in history books. Then they get to be men they forget even more. Liberty's too precious a thing to be buried in books, Miss Saunders. Men should hold it up in front of them every single day of their lives and say: I'm free to think and to speak. My ancestors couldn't, I can, and my children will. Boys ought to grow up remembering that . - MR Smith Goes To Washington- to grow up remembering th My oath to support and defend the constitution against all enemies foreign and domestic has no expiration date!!! Ten Bears : It's sad that governments are chiefed by the double tongues. There is iron in your words of death for all Comanche to see and so there is iron in your words of life. No signed paper can hold the iron. It must come from men. Outlaw Josey Wales |
CO SKY WATCHER
User ID: 82758632 United States 08/01/2022 09:32 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: Democrats ‘Assault Weapons’ Ban Will Outlaw a Host of Everyday Firearms Owned by Law-Abiding Citizens Supreme Court would likely strike it down too. Not worried at this point Try to come and take them from us, criminals “Those who vote decide nothing. Those who count the vote decide everything.” ― Joseph Stalin |
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User ID: 80068884 United States 08/01/2022 09:56 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: Democrats ‘Assault Weapons’ Ban Will Outlaw a Host of Everyday Firearms Owned by Law-Abiding Citizens The Globalists (UN WEF NATO EU) are now making their move around the world. NeoCon and RINO Republicans are Globalists (Communists), as are all Democrats They will betray us. Canada becoming dearmed, Mexico dearmed (except cartels), now they have to dearm the U.S., so they can make their North American Union branch of the Communist NWO. |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 78107266 United States 08/01/2022 10:06 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: Democrats ‘Assault Weapons’ Ban Will Outlaw a Host of Everyday Firearms Owned by Law-Abiding Citizens The new bill is exactly the same as the '94 bill. That ban lasted 10 years and courts found it Constitutional. (They didn't change anything because the old law has already been approved by multiple courts -- any new restrictions could open it up to new lawsuits.) Quoting: Anonymous Coward 54243940 It bans the production and sale of new weapons and accessories that are listed in the bill. It has no affect on existing weapons and accessories that are already legally owned. If you have an AR, or a pistol with a threaded barrel tip, or a 30 round magazine, they aren't trying to take them away. And if you currently own a prohibited item, you'll still be able to sell it. If you don't own one, you'll be able to buy a pre-ban item. Just like the '94 ban this doesn't change anything regarding the stuff that already exists. You can own, use, transport, buy, or sell any existing items. The ban only applies to items made on or after the date when the ban goes into effect. ---------------- It's a stupid, useless law just like the '94 ban. The only thing it'll accomplish is to drive up the prices of pre-ban items. But it's not confiscation. It's not the end of the world. It's just going back to the way things were from 1994 to 2004. Let's assume that you read the bill in its entirety, under provisions of the bill if your grandfathered weapons and magazines are not locked up or on your person and are visible to any random visitor and they report you to the police, the police can then arrest you and take away all your weapons and ammunition under the terms of this bill. That means anyone that has seen Facebook posts or Youtube videos of you wielding the banned weapons or magazines can in turn report you to the authority as a threat and a criminal and there are no repercussions against turning anyone in. Here's the text of the bill as it was passed. [link to www.congress.gov (secure)] |
Weisshaupt
User ID: 74074048 United States 08/01/2022 10:16 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: Democrats ‘Assault Weapons’ Ban Will Outlaw a Host of Everyday Firearms Owned by Law-Abiding Citizens It doesn’t matter what they “outlaw” or “ban”. None of their gun confiscation “laws” are constitutional or legitimate. Quoting: Lord of the Sheeple And they don't have enough LEO willing to enforce such things on any account , and those who attempt to do so will find both they and their families will be pariahs - if not actively hunted |
StopsniffinmeBrandon
User ID: 80068884 United States 08/01/2022 10:18 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: Democrats ‘Assault Weapons’ Ban Will Outlaw a Host of Everyday Firearms Owned by Law-Abiding Citizens [link to www.congress.gov (secure)] And Senate version : S.1108 |
Weisshaupt
User ID: 74074048 United States 08/01/2022 10:19 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: Democrats ‘Assault Weapons’ Ban Will Outlaw a Host of Everyday Firearms Owned by Law-Abiding Citizens Make sure you tell your neighbors that you approve. Tell; them how many people you are willing to kill with guns to "end gun violence" Once your neighbors they are committed to dying in their driveway defending their freedom from people like you , is there a reason they shouldn't make sure you go with them? So please. Keep running your mouth |
Slipknotz
User ID: 55176856 United States 08/01/2022 10:22 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: Democrats ‘Assault Weapons’ Ban Will Outlaw a Host of Everyday Firearms Owned by Law-Abiding Citizens Will not pass the Senate. If it does, I think there will be some serious pushback and even civil unrest here. Quoting: CO SKY WATCHER Supreme Court would likely strike it down too. Not worried at this point Try to come and take them from us, criminals Lazy americans will not lift a finger in defense of their constitutional rights. |
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User ID: 80985767 United States 08/01/2022 10:26 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: Democrats ‘Assault Weapons’ Ban Will Outlaw a Host of Everyday Firearms Owned by Law-Abiding Citizens Not that I endorse this law by any stretch (it is blatantly unconstitutional, virtually admitted even by the bill's supporters), I did not see in the linked article any justification that the proposed ban was "more sweeping" than the 1994 ban. If you are going to claim the ban extends to many more types of firearms than those targeted by the '94 ban, you should be able to call out a few examples. Doing the one, without the other, is at best poor journalism or at worst, a propaganda piece designed to portray a very bad bill as worse than it actually is. Facts matter and pro-gunners lose the moral high ground if they use exaggerations and mischaracterizations to try to push a point. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 15127697 IMHO just telling the unadorned facts paints a damning enough picture, without any stretching of the facts remotely necessary. It expands to almost all semi auto pistols and rifles in existence dude. Anything that currently has a more than 15 round mag manufactured for it is banned. For someone like me that means EVERY GUN I HAVE except one 90 year old bolt action rifle and a couple 22's is illegal under this law! roguetechie |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 54243940 United States 08/01/2022 10:27 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: Democrats ‘Assault Weapons’ Ban Will Outlaw a Host of Everyday Firearms Owned by Law-Abiding Citizens The new bill is exactly the same as the '94 bill. That ban lasted 10 years and courts found it Constitutional. (They didn't change anything because the old law has already been approved by multiple courts -- any new restrictions could open it up to new lawsuits.) Quoting: Anonymous Coward 54243940 It bans the production and sale of new weapons and accessories that are listed in the bill. It has no affect on existing weapons and accessories that are already legally owned. If you have an AR, or a pistol with a threaded barrel tip, or a 30 round magazine, they aren't trying to take them away. And if you currently own a prohibited item, you'll still be able to sell it. If you don't own one, you'll be able to buy a pre-ban item. Just like the '94 ban this doesn't change anything regarding the stuff that already exists. You can own, use, transport, buy, or sell any existing items. The ban only applies to items made on or after the date when the ban goes into effect. ---------------- It's a stupid, useless law just like the '94 ban. The only thing it'll accomplish is to drive up the prices of pre-ban items. But it's not confiscation. It's not the end of the world. It's just going back to the way things were from 1994 to 2004. Let's assume that you read the bill in its entirety, under provisions of the bill if your grandfathered weapons and magazines are not locked up or on your person and are visible to any random visitor and they report you to the police, the police can then arrest you and take away all your weapons and ammunition under the terms of this bill. That means anyone that has seen Facebook posts or Youtube videos of you wielding the banned weapons or magazines can in turn report you to the authority as a threat and a criminal and there are no repercussions against turning anyone in. Here's the text of the bill as it was passed. [link to www.congress.gov (secure)] That's not what the law says. "(aa) Secure Storage Or Safety Device Requirement For Grandfathered Semiautomatic Assault Weapons.—It shall be unlawful for any person, other than a licensed importer, licensed manufacturer, or licensed dealer, to store or keep under the dominion or control of that person any grandfathered semiautomatic assault weapon that the person knows, or has reasonable cause to believe, will be accessible to an individual prohibited from receiving or possessing a firearm under subsection (g), (n), or (x), or any provision of State law, unless the grandfathered semiautomatic assault weapon is— “(1) carried on the person, or within such close proximity that the person can readily retrieve and use the grandfathered semiautomatic assault weapon as if the grandfathered semiautomatic assault weapon were carried on the person; or “(2) locked by a secure gun storage or safety device that the prohibited individual has no ability to access.”." If you have minor children in your residence or have guests who are convicted felons, you have to keep your prohibited items locked up when you're not around. If you don't have them locked up you have to be close enough to them to maintain control of them. If kids or felons aren't around you don't have to lock up the items. |
roguetechie81
User ID: 80985767 United States 08/01/2022 10:29 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: Democrats ‘Assault Weapons’ Ban Will Outlaw a Host of Everyday Firearms Owned by Law-Abiding Citizens Will not pass the Senate. If it does, I think there will be some serious pushback and even civil unrest here. Quoting: CO SKY WATCHER Supreme Court would likely strike it down too. Not worried at this point Try to come and take them from us, criminals Lazy americans will not lift a finger in defense of their constitutional rights. That's a very bad bet to make. A lot of us are very aware of what the next steps in their plans are and have decided this hill seems like a nice hill to die on. Not as many of us as I'd like, but on balance probably more than enough. roguetechie |
StopsniffinmeBrandon
User ID: 80068884 United States 08/01/2022 10:29 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: Democrats ‘Assault Weapons’ Ban Will Outlaw a Host of Everyday Firearms Owned by Law-Abiding Citizens Remember when the Government/Media/Social Media brainwashed and "weaponized" the vaxxed, against the unvaxxed? They shut down any opinion or fact that didn't support the Government narrative. They will do the same thing with their unConstitutional Gun Control. ("Remember...it's for you babies and your Grandmother!") |
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Weisshaupt
User ID: 74074048 United States 08/01/2022 10:39 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: Democrats ‘Assault Weapons’ Ban Will Outlaw a Host of Everyday Firearms Owned by Law-Abiding Citizens Will not pass the Senate. If it does, I think there will be some serious pushback and even civil unrest here. Quoting: CO SKY WATCHER Supreme Court would likely strike it down too. Not worried at this point Try to come and take them from us, criminals Lazy americans will not lift a finger in defense of their constitutional rights. Most will not. Say only 1% do. Oh, that is 3.3 Million people, that is more than the effective number of LEOS and Military they could deploy to enforce these measures. If everyone one of the 1% that resists kills one enforcer before bleeding out, then they loose by simple attrition. And most LEOs are not willing to get shot and endanger their families enforcing a law that does nothing to protect anyone. |
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