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100 bucks says the DA charges the store owner with murder
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I hope so
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100 bucks says the DA charges the store owner with murder
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 79921326


I hope so
 Quoting: BoneTrout


He was unarmed, and shoplifting


It was an illegal kill... You don't have the legal right to kill somebody for shoplifting.
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The guy jumped over the counter. That is something an armed robber would do.

The shopkeeper is justified imo because if that were me i would have assumed the guy was armed after being so brazen. I would t be willing to bet my life on it.

If im on the jury, he walks 100%
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 74552911


I would fry his ass for murdering unarmed white kids.
 Quoting: BoneTrout


You have a racial motive for your opinion?

WTF does it matter what color the guy has
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Re: Store Owner Stabs Thief To Death -- Gonna Need Some Opinions On This One...
Look, I get it, crime is totally out of control and even worse, it's intentionally being allowed to be.

However, this one just really doesn't sit well. Maybe it's the innocence & fear in the perp's voice as he exclaims, "I'm dead..." but really not feeling like this needed to go down like that. Fucking tragic all around for this country. verysad

What do y'all think?


 Quoting: J-Bird


I'm no way justified in the northeast but I guess we'll see what Nevada laws are.

That's all that matters is the law right?


Otherwise it should be common sense you don't murder someone for stealing.
 Quoting: Mike 83294801


Yep agreed,he didn't have a weapon, that I could see anyway. The guy will be charged is my guess. He went after the thief, the thief was only stealing merchandise and for that you can not kill a person..

Fuck meee
fuk meeeee
Oop, I'm DEAD...i'm deeadddddd..boop.
chuckle
 Quoting: Slipknotz

If anything his "buddy" who bailed will be charged with murder for his friend's death, in many states a death while in commission of a crime is murder. That kid could have run like his pal did, but no, he went for the goods and then got combative and THEN he got stabbed, he's just as guilty as his buddy for his own death. There is no duty to retreat in Nevada, it's not a state run by pussies in NYC.
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If you go into anyones place with the intent to do a crime, expect being killed as one of the outcomes. Two on one is scary during a CRIME.

Sorry it ended like this but it wasnt out of the realm of possibilities when he chose to do this.

Still made me sick to see. Very sad all the way around.
 Quoting: Carbuncle


Bad times to be a billy bad ass. People will start to return and finish the job. Times are hard and these people are once normal folk that got fckd by communist and corporate America.

Most of them are young friends and family . They just haven't hardened up like mobsters yet.
 Quoting: BoneTrout


I think he'll be ready for them

If they exist

He's had time to prepare, he's probably ready for 5 of his friends at once (but they're too scared)

Store guy might have more and fiercer friends than dead robber guy
 Quoting: Gorgol


One thing i have learned about life.

You are never ready and you are never as bad ass as you believe.
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The shop keeper should get a medal from the mayor.

Play stupid games, I have zero empathy.
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Hahahahaha

hard to say how this ends up in the courts. the stabber advanced on the stabbie and started stabbing the stabbie that didn't have a weapon in his hands that I could see

robber definitely fucked up that's for sure and beyond dispute but I'd need to be convinced that the stabber was in fear for his life thus justifying the use of deadly force upon the stabbie

I'm on the fence with this

in the final analysis the stabber was at work trying to earn a living when his life was forever changed by a would be robber

push come to shove I'd side with the stabber but wouldn't feel great about it

no haha's on this one
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No one ever told you that you have to like it.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 83968638


Hahahahaha

never will enjoy killing, your fault, their fault or nobodies fault.

it's a dog eat dog world to be sure

have faced what could have been construed as deadly attacks against me twice

both times I could have put a quick end to the hostilities but instead tried to de-escalate till their was no other choice other than kill or be killed.

the first time the gang that attacked scattered when they saw the .45 so danger averted

the second time the guy's wife calmed him down long enough for me to escape. days later the guy saw me on the street and came over to apologize for acting like an asshole and to say that he was told that I was armed and that he deeply appreciated the fact that I let him live. we are somewhat good acquaintances now.

maybe I'm just lucky, I really don't know

what I do know is that for me causing death is the option of last resort

no haha's
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Yeah, none of this happened. Stfu
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The shop keeper should get a medal from the mayor.

Play stupid games, I have zero empathy.
 Quoting: Johnny Moonlight


yeah but you also have to have compassion for your fellow man or this earth turns in to hell.


Shoplifting is a Class c Misdemeanor..


If we are giving out the death penalty for shoplifting its gonna be a really scary world
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Re: Store Owner Stabs Thief To Death -- Gonna Need Some Opinions On This One...
Look, I get it, crime is totally out of control and even worse, it's intentionally being allowed to be.

However, this one just really doesn't sit well. Maybe it's the innocence & fear in the perp's voice as he exclaims, "I'm dead..." but really not feeling like this needed to go down like that. Fucking tragic all around for this country. verysad

What do y'all think?


 Quoting: J-Bird


I'm no way justified in the northeast but I guess we'll see what Nevada laws are.

That's all that matters is the law right?


Otherwise it should be common sense you don't murder someone for stealing.
 Quoting: Mike 83294801


Yep agreed,he didn't have a weapon, that I could see anyway. The guy will be charged is my guess. He went after the thief, the thief was only stealing merchandise and for that you can not kill a person..

Fuck meee
fuk meeeee
Oop, I'm DEAD...i'm deeadddddd..boop.
chuckle
 Quoting: Slipknotz

If anything his "buddy" who bailed will be charged with murder for his friend's death, in many states a death while in commission of a crime is murder. That kid could have run like his pal did, but no, he went for the goods and then got combative and THEN he got stabbed, he's just as guilty as his buddy for his own death. There is no duty to retreat in Nevada, it's not a state run by pussies in NYC.
 Quoting: Doom Monkey


Some of these people will take the time to follow you home. Get to know your family etc. Its just as risky to kill people as its always been. You dont really know who you are killing.
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He was justified in the initial strikes, but by the time he stabbed him in the neck the robber was trying to withdraw. That’s 2nd degree murder
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 80232388

 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 82508839


Every strike after that was premeditated capital murder.

He had intent to kill.
 Quoting: BoneTrout


Do you even understand what capitol murder is or what the benchmarks are for or threshold for captol murder? Not only does this argument fall on its face at proposal on the sheer idiocy of it , you would never sell that at a jury trial then your stuck with a humiliating downward depart AT TRIAL .

Quit citing what you have absolutely no understanding of . You just come off contrived and ignorant .
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If you go into anyones place with the intent to do a crime, expect being killed as one of the outcomes. Two on one is scary during a CRIME.

Sorry it ended like this but it wasnt out of the realm of possibilities when he chose to do this.

Still made me sick to see. Very sad all the way around.
 Quoting: Carbuncle


Bad times to be a billy bad ass. People will start to return and finish the job. Times are hard and these people are once normal folk that got fckd by communist and corporate America.

Most of them are young friends and family . They just haven't hardened up like mobsters yet.
 Quoting: BoneTrout


I think he'll be ready for them

If they exist

He's had time to prepare, he's probably ready for 5 of his friends at once (but they're too scared)

Store guy might have more and fiercer friends than dead robber guy
 Quoting: Gorgol


One thing i have learned about life.

You are never ready and you are never as bad ass as you believe.
 Quoting: BoneTrout


I am. I open carry while mowing my lawn so everyone can plainly see that this motherfucker ain't fuckin around.

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That was cold blooded murder of someone basically doing a dine and dash.
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Boo fucking hoo!

You TRAITOR to America!

fuckoff2
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If you go into anyones place with the intent to do a crime, expect being killed as one of the outcomes. Two on one is scary during a CRIME.

Sorry it ended like this but it wasnt out of the realm of possibilities when he chose to do this.

Still made me sick to see. Very sad all the way around.
 Quoting: Carbuncle


Bad times to be a billy bad ass. People will start to return and finish the job. Times are hard and these people are once normal folk that got fckd by communist and corporate America.

Most of them are young friends and family . They just haven't hardened up like mobsters yet.
 Quoting: BoneTrout


I think he'll be ready for them

If they exist

He's had time to prepare, he's probably ready for 5 of his friends at once (but they're too scared)

Store guy might have more and fiercer friends than dead robber guy
 Quoting: Gorgol


One thing i have learned about life.

You are never ready and you are never as bad ass as you believe.
 Quoting: BoneTrout


Being ready is mostly a case of not forgetting to prepare in line with what you have learned

The thing that you learned about life is about you

Still you could be right in some cases, like with dead robber guy

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He was justified in the initial strikes, but by the time he stabbed him in the neck the robber was trying to withdraw. That’s 2nd degree murder
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 80232388

 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 82508839


Every strike after that was premeditated capital murder.

He had intent to kill.
 Quoting: BoneTrout


You cannot have premeditation until you have planning ahead of the incident.
Did the worker plan the robbery in order to have an excuse to kill the robber?
If not, you cannot have premeditation.
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The guy jumped over the counter. That is something an armed robber would do.

The shopkeeper is justified imo because if that were me i would have assumed the guy was armed after being so brazen. I would t be willing to bet my life on it.

If im on the jury, he walks 100%
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 74552911


I would fry his ass for murdering unarmed white kids.
 Quoting: BoneTrout


You have a racial motive for your opinion?

WTF does it matter what color the guy has
 Quoting: Gorgol


Because he was unarmed and property has never been a reason to kill. Nothing wrong with being white.
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The shop keeper should get a medal from the mayor.

Play stupid games, I have zero empathy.
 Quoting: Johnny Moonlight


yeah but you also have to have compassion for your fellow man or this earth turns in to hell.


Shoplifting is a Class c Misdemeanor..


If we are giving out the death penalty for shoplifting its gonna be a really scary world
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 79921326


Was it "just" shoplifting, or were there other things going on that involved weapons and the fear of ones life.

That counts for something, something worth a bit more than the lives of the thieves.
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He was justified in the initial strikes, but by the time he stabbed him in the neck the robber was trying to withdraw. That’s 2nd degree murder
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 80232388

 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 82508839


Every strike after that was premeditated capital murder.

He had intent to kill.
 Quoting: BoneTrout


You cannot have premeditation until you have planning ahead of the incident.
Did the worker plan the robbery in order to have an excuse to kill the robber?
If not, you cannot have premeditation.
 Quoting: Confederate Soldier


U.s Case law states premeditation happens instantly when the thought to kill happens. It goes from self defense to premeditated murder.
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Normally I enjoy seeing some assholes getting blasted when they try to rob a home or store using a weapon but this was not called for.

Because when the asshole attempted to run after he stabbed him in the leg he should have just let him go instead of repeatedly trying to stab an unarmed person.
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if its okay to kill somebody over property then every traffic accident would have somebody dead from multiple gun shots.

Some jack ass speeding in the left lane hits me with a deadly weapon while breaking the law.

He destroys my property after giving no care to my life or safety while speeding and drive like a fool.

Maybe I as a driver should use lethal force with a blade right?

Same concept.
 Quoting: BoneTrout


Not at all.
You really need to take some criminal justice courses before you pontificate.
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The guy jumped over the counter. That is something an armed robber would do.

The shopkeeper is justified imo because if that were me i would have assumed the guy was armed after being so brazen. I would t be willing to bet my life on it.

If im on the jury, he walks 100%
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 74552911


I would fry his ass for murdering unarmed white kids.
 Quoting: BoneTrout


You have a racial motive for your opinion?

WTF does it matter what color the guy has
 Quoting: Gorgol


Because he was unarmed and property has never been a reason to kill. Nothing wrong with being white.
 Quoting: BoneTrout


saganwhat

How do you know he was unarmed with 2 of those with masks on

If you'd show me a picture of the 2 and ask me if I think those could be armed, I'd consider it very likely, yes

Did you get that there were 2?

But nothing wrong with being white, sure

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The guy jumped over the counter. That is something an armed robber would do.

The shopkeeper is justified imo because if that were me i would have assumed the guy was armed after being so brazen. I would t be willing to bet my life on it.

If im on the jury, he walks 100%
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 74552911


I would fry his ass for murdering unarmed white kids.
 Quoting: BoneTrout


You have a racial motive for your opinion?

WTF does it matter what color the guy has
 Quoting: Gorgol


Because he was unarmed and property has never been a reason to kill. Nothing wrong with being white.
 Quoting: BoneTrout


It is justified to use lethal force against an invader, particularly commiting forceful entry into a private dwelling, which employee-only areas are considered, especially with that private area visibly blocked off by a barrier that requires violent action to overcome.
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Many thugs and thug defenders are upset they didn't get to see another asian getting head stomped.
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He was justified in the initial strikes, but by the time he stabbed him in the neck the robber was trying to withdraw. That’s 2nd degree murder
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 80232388

 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 82508839


Every strike after that was premeditated capital murder.

He had intent to kill.
 Quoting: BoneTrout


Do you even understand what capitol murder is or what the benchmarks are for or threshold for captol murder? Not only does this argument fall on its face at proposal on the sheer idiocy of it , you would never sell that at a jury trial then your stuck with a humiliating downward depart AT TRIAL .

Quit citing what you have absolutely no understanding of . You just come off contrived and ignorant .
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He doesn't get that lethal force is meant to be LETHAL.
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Bad times to be a billy bad ass. People will start to return and finish the job. Times are hard and these people are once normal folk that got fckd by communist and corporate America.

Most of them are young friends and family . They just haven't hardened up like mobsters yet.
 Quoting: BoneTrout


I think he'll be ready for them

If they exist

He's had time to prepare, he's probably ready for 5 of his friends at once (but they're too scared)

Store guy might have more and fiercer friends than dead robber guy
 Quoting: Gorgol


One thing i have learned about life.

You are never ready and you are never as bad ass as you believe.
 Quoting: BoneTrout


I am. I open carry while mowing my lawn so everyone can plainly see that this motherfucker ain't fuckin around.

rockon
 Quoting: Johnny Moonlight


Thats all fine and dandy but a psychopath will just wait till you turn your back after smiling and waving at you.
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How was the clerk dude to know if the dirtbag robber was packing or not?

The dirtbag jumped the counter and made a move toward the clerk, the clerk then had no choice but to neutralize the dirtbag who easily could've had a weapon.

Common-sense shit.

If dirtbags don't want to get dead they should stop being criminal pieces of dogshit..
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 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 82508839


Every strike after that was premeditated capital murder.

He had intent to kill.
 Quoting: BoneTrout


You cannot have premeditation until you have planning ahead of the incident.
Did the worker plan the robbery in order to have an excuse to kill the robber?
If not, you cannot have premeditation.
 Quoting: Confederate Soldier


U.s Case law states premeditation happens instantly when the thought to kill happens. It goes from self defense to premeditated murder.
 Quoting: BoneTrout


That doesn't apply to breaking and entering right?
1010.
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The shop keeper should get a medal from the mayor.

Play stupid games, I have zero empathy.
 Quoting: Johnny Moonlight


yeah but you also have to have compassion for your fellow man or this earth turns in to hell.


Shoplifting is a Class c Misdemeanor..


If we are giving out the death penalty for shoplifting its gonna be a really scary world
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 79921326


Was it "just" shoplifting, or were there other things going on that involved weapons and the fear of ones life.

That counts for something, something worth a bit more than the lives of the thieves.
 Quoting: Johnny Moonlight




Two things we know about the criminals. There were three of them (disparity of force) and one made an aggressive move. The first time I watched it I thought he was going after the owner. Why not just grab some merch on the way out? Those two things help the case for self defense. You can always second guess watching someone ten times, but the first time I saw it I did think the jump over the counter was to get to the owner. Now he grabbed cigarettes instead but the owner reacted so fast it was almost simultaneously. I think the problem the owner has is the last two stabs.
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He was justified in the initial strikes, but by the time he stabbed him in the neck the robber was trying to withdraw. That’s 2nd degree murder
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 80232388

 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 82508839


Every strike after that was premeditated capital murder.

He had intent to kill.
 Quoting: BoneTrout


You cannot have premeditation until you have planning ahead of the incident.
Did the worker plan the robbery in order to have an excuse to kill the robber?
If not, you cannot have premeditation.
 Quoting: Confederate Soldier


Did he? Did he think about how he would shiv a person coming over the counter?
That is premeditation, if not legally than in effect.

I would have shot all three of them probably, I have thought about what I would do beforehand so I don't have to do it when I am surprised. BUT I WOULD NOT KILL ANYONE UNLESS I didn't feel I had a safe alternative.
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 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 82508839


Every strike after that was premeditated capital murder.

He had intent to kill.
 Quoting: BoneTrout


Do you even understand what capitol murder is or what the benchmarks are for or threshold for captol murder? Not only does this argument fall on its face at proposal on the sheer idiocy of it , you would never sell that at a jury trial then your stuck with a humiliating downward depart AT TRIAL .

Quit citing what you have absolutely no understanding of . You just come off contrived and ignorant .
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 79308445


He doesn't get that lethal force is meant to be LETHAL.
 Quoting: Doom Monkey


The threat was over. Each swing takes a thought to kill. He also held the guy up to stab him more so it looked good on camera.
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Look, I get it, crime is totally out of control and even worse, it's intentionally being allowed to be.

However, this one just really doesn't sit well. Maybe it's the innocence & fear in the perp's voice as he exclaims, "I'm dead..." but really not feeling like this needed to go down like that. Fucking tragic all around for this country. verysad

What do y'all think?


 Quoting: J-Bird


I'm no way justified in the northeast but I guess we'll see what Nevada laws are.

That's all that matters is the law right?


Otherwise it should be common sense you don't murder someone for stealing.
 Quoting: Mike 83294801


I guess you have never worked HARD for your things, and had thieves take those things from you.

I will HELP anyone that ASKS, but I will KILL anyone that TAKES.





GLP