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Well, on one hand, I'm of the opinion that if you decide to enter someone's private house or business while it's occupied to steal from them, you deserve what you get.

On the other hand, the robber did not appear to be armed, and the store owner used lethal force, which goes against everything I've ever been taught about using lethal force to defend yourself.

Hard call to make, but if you tied me down and waterboarded me, I'd probably side with the store owner. Crime is out of control, and it's a toss-up on whether or not the local police will protect you. That means it's up to us to protect ourselves from the thugs, even if it gets messy sometimes.
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2 robbers. 1 innocent. Both perpps could have had weapons. Owner reacted fast to a real threat. Sad but no crime by store owner
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Now I dont feel bad when these kids protest and burn down stores.

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How was the clerk dude to know if the dirtbag robber was packing or not?

The dirtbag jumped the counter and made a move toward the clerk, the clerk then had no choice but to neutralize the dirtbag who easily could've had a weapon.

Common-sense shit.

If dirtbags don't want to get dead they should stop being criminal pieces of dogshit..
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That's how I see it.

Would be thief provoked and escalated the situation.

The clerk has an instant to react when suddenly being advanced upon without the leisure of having foreknowledge of whether the assailant is armed or not.

Who is going to wait around and find out?

Should be common sense.
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You cannot have premeditation until you have planning ahead of the incident.
Did the worker plan the robbery in order to have an excuse to kill the robber?
If not, you cannot have premeditation.
 Quoting: Confederate Soldier


U.s Case law states premeditation happens instantly when the thought to kill happens. It goes from self defense to premeditated murder.
 Quoting: BoneTrout


You don't want to leave yourself at the mercy of criminals especially one who acted brazenly and attacked first, they will happily head stomp you until you are deader than disco.

You don't want kids to die while stealing shit, teach them not to steal, or they'll learn the hard way.
 Quoting: Doom Monkey


In a society where you have poor people you will always have theft. You might as well see it as a part of life. People make mistakes and so do store owners. Just like he loved his shit on the counter somebody probably loves that kid enough to murder back.

That is why we dont run around killing people over anything other then a threat to life.
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Robbers are threat to life. Those who are willing to destroy someone's livelihood have no qualms of destoying life along with it.
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2 robbers. 1 innocent. Both perpps could have had weapons. Owner reacted fast to a real threat. Sad but no crime by store owner
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Now I dont feel bad when these kids protest and burn down stores. They should burn the whole city next time.
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You probably work for Amazon.
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2 robbers. 1 innocent. Both perpps could have had weapons. Owner reacted fast to a real threat. Sad but no crime by store owner
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 80843224


Now I dont feel bad when these kids protest and burn down stores. They should burn the whole city next time.
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Hope your house is included in that city.
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Look, I get it, crime is totally out of control and even worse, it's intentionally being allowed to be.

However, this one just really doesn't sit well. Maybe it's the innocence & fear in the perp's voice as he exclaims, "I'm dead..." but really not feeling like this needed to go down like that. Fucking tragic all around for this country. verysad

What do y'all think?


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Police are there to prevent vigilante justice. They are there to protect these Ahole criminals from the people they would victimize. When you de-fund the police you get vigilantes.
ANd Yeah, if I serve on any juries I will refuse to convict any vigilante protecting life or property of others - even at the expense of the life the criminal.
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How was the clerk dude to know if the dirtbag robber was packing or not?

The dirtbag jumped the counter and made a move toward the clerk, the clerk then had no choice but to neutralize the dirtbag who easily could've had a weapon.

Common-sense shit.

If dirtbags don't want to get dead they should stop being criminal pieces of dogshit..
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That's how I see it.

Would be thief provoked and escalated the situation.

The clerk has an instant to react when suddenly being advanced upon without the leisure of having foreknowledge of whether the assailant is armed or not.

Who is going to wait around and find out?

Should be common sense.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 81913424


The robber fought back after the first stabs.

When he said, "I'm dead," the shop clerk stopped.

Might be a different story if he stood over him and kept stabbing.

It's a tragic situation, but I think what he did was reasonable given the overall situation.
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The shop keeper should get a medal from the mayor.

Play stupid games, I have zero empathy.
 Quoting: Johnny Moonlight


yeah but you also have to have compassion for your fellow man or this earth turns in to hell.


Shoplifting is a Class c Misdemeanor..


If we are giving out the death penalty for shoplifting its gonna be a really scary world
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 79921326


Was it "just" shoplifting, or were there other things going on that involved weapons and the fear of ones life.

That counts for something, something worth a bit more than the lives of the thieves.
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Two things we know about the criminals. There were three of them (disparity of force) and one made an aggressive move. The first time I watched it I thought he was going after the owner. Why not just grab some merch on the way out? Those two things help the case for self defense. You can always second guess watching someone ten times, but the first time I saw it I did think the jump over the counter was to get to the owner. Now he grabbed cigarettes instead but the owner reacted so fast it was almost simultaneously. I think the problem the owner has is the last two stabs.
 Quoting: anon_cow


I think a sane jury would acquit him even on the last two stabs. Adrenaline thrusting you there in the moment. This was clearly not calculated. If the thief didn't say anything, would it make it more convincing to a jury?

For me, I give the shop keeper the benefit of doubt and do not second guess as I was not there and can only imagine what he was thinking. I'd probably react the same way. What I'm saying is, you end up not thinking too clearly when adrenaline and the fear of death kicks in.
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What that video really shows you is how quickly someone can kill you with a knife!


You better start practicing your quick draw!


NEVER hesitate to shoot someone with a knife!




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if its okay to kill somebody over property then every traffic accident would have somebody dead from multiple gun shots.

Some jack ass speeding in the left lane hits me with a deadly weapon while breaking the law.

He destroys my property after giving no care to my life or safety while speeding and drive like a fool.

Maybe I as a driver should use lethal force with a blade right?

Same concept.
 Quoting: BoneTrout


Not the same concept. A robbery is not an accident! When was the last time you accidentally robbed someone, hello?
 Quoting: Chinaman


neither is driving reckless and using your vehicle as an aggression tool.

Its only an accident when bother parties are following all the laws of the road.

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Look, I get it, crime is totally out of control and even worse, it's intentionally being allowed to be.

However, this one just really doesn't sit well. Maybe it's the innocence & fear in the perp's voice as he exclaims, "I'm dead..." but really not feeling like this needed to go down like that. Fucking tragic all around for this country. verysad

What do y'all think?


 Quoting: J-Bird


Police are there to prevent vigilante justice. They are there to protect these Ahole criminals from the people they would victimize. When you de-fund the police you get vigilantes.
ANd Yeah, if I serve on any juries I will refuse to convict any vigilante protecting life or property of others - even at the expense of the life the criminal.
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Yeah, it's not like the clerk is going to say, "time out guys, I have to call the cops and wait half hour for them to show up and deal with you." Ain't nobody gots time fo' dat.
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Well, on one hand, I'm of the opinion that if you decide to enter someone's private house or business while it's occupied to steal from them, you deserve what you get.

On the other hand, the robber did not appear to be armed, and the store owner used lethal force, which goes against everything I've ever been taught about using lethal force to defend yourself.

Hard call to make, but if you tied me down and waterboarded me, I'd probably side with the store owner. Crime is out of control, and it's a toss-up on whether or not the local police will protect you. That means it's up to us to protect ourselves from the thugs, even if it gets messy sometimes.
 Quoting: Riff-Raff


You need to read Masaad Ayoob's book Deadly Force: Understanding Your Right to Self Defense. He is an expert whose testimony in court has won many self-defense cases. You will see there are many cases where the perp doesn't have to be armed except with his literal arms and legs (and dick in cases of rape).
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Just put some conspiracy spin on it since this is a conspiracy site. Looks like this could have been acted out in response to the bodega stabbing. So, they would be doing a fake one where they can get a fake murder judgement to disempower would be shop defenders. I mean did he need to stab the guy flying over the counter? He could have easily put him down without anything. And the screaming "I'm dead?" I'm not convinced we have the whole picture, but it could be as we are told.
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Just like most of these circle jerk wild west kill the bad guy threads on this site most people fail to realize there are two questions:

1. do you personally have a problem with what happened, and

2. was what happened legal?

Most of you don't seem to have any problem with what the store owner did and that's fine.

But then you jump into your internet lawyer shoes spouting off all sorts of pseudo legal nonsense.

Listen, killing someone robbing your store is a risky legal proposition if they didn't pull a gun or knife on you. We've seen plenty of videos in CA where the robbers don't have weapons.

Even if it's justified you could spend hundreds of thousands in legal bills to save a thousand dollars in merchandise.

Your store is not your home in most states. You cannot defend property with lethal force in most states.

I strongly suggest you take a self defense class in your state.
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We all understand your very good points. There could be a Soros installed prosecutor there for all we know. Nevada also has a corrupt Democrap governor.

In answer to your questions, I say yes and yes. The second one, is it legal, still wouldn't matter with a Soros prosecutor.

All that said, there are no reports of the punk being dead.
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That is horrible to watch

You can murder kill someone now for stealing presenting a threat of bodily harm?
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The guy jumped over the counter. That is something an armed robber would do.

The shopkeeper is justified imo because if that were me i would have assumed the guy was armed after being so brazen. I would t be willing to bet my life on it.

If im on the jury, he walks 100%
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I would fry his ass for murdering unarmed white kids.
 Quoting: BoneTrout


You have a racial motive for your opinion?

WTF does it matter what color the guy has
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Because he was unarmed and property has never been a reason to kill. Nothing wrong with being white.
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Unless you're in a ski mask jumping a counter.
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Many Californians go to Las Vegas. I wonder if these thugs are from that criminal state and used to the pro-thug laws there.
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Bad times to be a billy bad ass. People will start to return and finish the job. Times are hard and these people are once normal folk that got fckd by communist and corporate America.

Most of them are young friends and family . They just haven't hardened up like mobsters yet.
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I think he'll be ready for them

If they exist

He's had time to prepare, he's probably ready for 5 of his friends at once (but they're too scared)

Store guy might have more and fiercer friends than dead robber guy
 Quoting: Gorgol


One thing i have learned about life.

You are never ready and you are never as bad ass as you believe.
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I am. I open carry while mowing my lawn so everyone can plainly see that this motherfucker ain't fuckin around.

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Lol, one thing I wouldn't have expected someone to say here.

I carry when I mow too. There are very, very, very places or things I do that I'm not carrying.
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yeah but you also have to have compassion for your fellow man or this earth turns in to hell.


Shoplifting is a Class c Misdemeanor..


If we are giving out the death penalty for shoplifting its gonna be a really scary world
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 79921326


Was it "just" shoplifting, or were there other things going on that involved weapons and the fear of ones life.

That counts for something, something worth a bit more than the lives of the thieves.
 Quoting: Johnny Moonlight




Two things we know about the criminals. There were three of them (disparity of force) and one made an aggressive move. The first time I watched it I thought he was going after the owner. Why not just grab some merch on the way out? Those two things help the case for self defense. You can always second guess watching someone ten times, but the first time I saw it I did think the jump over the counter was to get to the owner. Now he grabbed cigarettes instead but the owner reacted so fast it was almost simultaneously. I think the problem the owner has is the last two stabs.
 Quoting: anon_cow


I think a sane jury would acquit him even on the last two stabs. Adrenaline thrusting you there in the moment. This was clearly not calculated. If the thief didn't say anything, would it make it more convincing to a jury?

For me, I give the shop keeper the benefit of doubt and do not second guess as I was not there and can only imagine what he was thinking. I'd probably react the same way. What I'm saying is, you end up not thinking too clearly when adrenaline and the fear of death kicks in.
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Bullshit , The big Asian was holding him while he tried to get away just so he could kill him. All the way to the last stab in the back of the neck that killed him.
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the implicit threat of violence moderates society a lot more than probably anything else. knowing that you may be shot or stabbed to death if you jump a store counter deters a lot anarchy and chaos. The Asian guy may end up be a sacrificial lamb but his actions helped to preserve order in a chaotic world.

if local governments, big business and law enforcement would do their jobs a lot of this could be avoided.
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Well, on one hand, I'm of the opinion that if you decide to enter someone's private house or business while it's occupied to steal from them, you deserve what you get.

On the other hand, the robber did not appear to be armed, and the store owner used lethal force, which goes against everything I've ever been taught about using lethal force to defend yourself.

Hard call to make, but if you tied me down and waterboarded me, I'd probably side with the store owner. Crime is out of control, and it's a toss-up on whether or not the local police will protect you. That means it's up to us to protect ourselves from the thugs, even if it gets messy sometimes.
 Quoting: Riff-Raff


You need to read Masaad Ayoob's book Deadly Force: Understanding Your Right to Self Defense. He is an expert whose testimony in court has won many self-defense cases. You will see there are many cases where the perp doesn't have to be armed except with his literal arms and legs (and dick in cases of rape).
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Not heard of that book. I will definitely look it up. Thanks for the suggestion!
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I won't pass judgement on this one. I feel incredible sadness for a pointless loss of life. The parents are to blame for not raising the kid that died right.
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Yeah, maybe if the parents didn't fu*k each other on a particular night, that would never have happened. Would you like to take that a little further? Maybe if his grand parents didn't fu*k each other it wouldn't have ...
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According to the stores instagram account the guy is not dead.

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According to the stores instagram account the guy is not dead.

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So he robbed the store, then he lied.

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 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 82508839


Every strike after that was premeditated capital murder.

He had intent to kill.
 Quoting: BoneTrout


You cannot have premeditation until you have planning ahead of the incident.
Did the worker plan the robbery in order to have an excuse to kill the robber?
If not, you cannot have premeditation.
 Quoting: Confederate Soldier


Did he? Did he think about how he would shiv a person coming over the counter?
That is premeditation, if not legally than in effect.

I would have shot all three of them probably, I have thought about what I would do beforehand so I don't have to do it when I am surprised. BUT I WOULD NOT KILL ANYONE UNLESS I didn't feel I had a safe alternative.
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 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 82508839


Every strike after that was premeditated capital murder.

He had intent to kill.
 Quoting: BoneTrout


You cannot have premeditation until you have planning ahead of the incident.
Did the worker plan the robbery in order to have an excuse to kill the robber?
If not, you cannot have premeditation.
 Quoting: Confederate Soldier


Did he? Did he think about how he would shiv a person coming over the counter?
That is premeditation, if not legally than in effect.

I would have shot all three of them probably, I have thought about what I would do beforehand so I don't have to do it when I am surprised. BUT I WOULD NOT KILL ANYONE UNLESS I didn't feel I had a safe alternative.
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Justifiable Homicide in Nevada:
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I do have an opinion on this


The shopkeeper should upgrade to a 12 gauge shotgun and both robbers would be dead


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I would fry his ass for murdering unarmed white kids.
 Quoting: BoneTrout


You have a racial motive for your opinion?

WTF does it matter what color the guy has
 Quoting: Gorgol


Because he was unarmed and property has never been a reason to kill. Nothing wrong with being white.
 Quoting: BoneTrout


Unless you're in a ski mask jumping a counter.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 58409536


Only in a country that has catered to foreigners and making them big business owners for the last 40 years. All the way from Reagan killing skilled home builders of white guys in the 80s with amnesty for cheap labor.

You are going to see more of this kind of shit from white men trying to survive.

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Don't rob a store and you won't get dead.
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Te lethal force in self defense LAWS in most states would put the onus on the person who killed in self defense: DI HE FEEL AN IMMEDIATE DEADLY THREAT to his life, or anyone elses present that was stopped by the act of shooting the perp (or in this case knifing him). It doesn't matter what you or I think and state of mind is VERY DIFFICULT to prove one way or another. Personally, I would have shot him.





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