Store Owner Stabs Thief To Death -- Gonna Need Some Opinions On This One... | |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 82820830 United States 08/05/2022 03:51 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Whatever transpires in a situation like this is not the fault of the fellow behind the counter because he did not create the situation - he was forced into responding to it. Whatever actions he did or did not take were reactions that he was forced into taking. The thieves wore masks which gives the impression that they might possibly be intent on using violence. A person does not need to wear a mask to steal cigarettes or a Snickers bar. So the decision to wear masks was a very threatening act on their part. It could be interpreted somewhat like a form of "menacing", which is like brandishing a weapon. The actions taken by the fellow behind the counter were reactions, and so it is not the same as intent in that he was reacting to a situation he did not create or want. Not much thinking was involved. He might even feel a sense of regret if he thought he over-reacted but it really isn't his fault given the situation. The perpetrators created this situation and given the fact that they wore masks they could be seen as possible armed robbers by a person behind the counter even if they did not brandish any weapons. They created a very dangerous situation. What if the person behind the counter had been elderly and had a bad heart and they caused a heart attack for example? The perpetrators own this. They acted callously and this was the result. |
nutmeg
User ID: 76388104 United States 08/05/2022 03:51 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Vegas has become a Warzone! While the media has attempted to bury this story, after all you wouldn’t want the public knowing they can fight back, these types of robberies have now become a daily occurrence in Las Vegas. [link to networkinvegas.com (secure)] From the above source regarding Las Vegas crimes: Here are just a handful of the stories we have reported on since the start of this year. * Three Shot, One Dead at Mirage in Latest Las Vegas Strip Shooting * One Dead after Fremont Street Fight and Shooting in Downtown Las Vegas * Shooting on the Las Vegas Strip outside the Bonanza Gift Shop * 4-Year-Old Child Dead at Orleans Casino after Ingesting fentanyl pills while alone in hotel room. Mother Arrested. * Drive by shooting near the El Cortez on Fremont Street * City of Las Vegas and Nevada Democrats were purposely setting up deadly situations and allowing child exploitation on Fremont Street. * Several shootouts in the middle of our roads * Off-duty cop killed by a homeless addict, * Shooting inside Downtown Grand * Mass shooting at an illegal blacks-only club, * Murder inside the Rio * Shooting inside Bally’s * Housekeeper killed at Bally’s * Man beaten almost to death for not wearing a mask inside a Las Vegas store * Man stabbed by a homeless man inside the Paris Casino *Man shot 11 times by a homeless addict in Chinatown Last Edited by nutmeg on 08/05/2022 03:54 PM |
Dukembg
User ID: 70323438 United States 08/05/2022 03:52 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I don't think the thief is dead. Prepare yourself for the coming power outage!! Thread: Cyber Attack = American Blackout!!! Power Grid Vulnerable! |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 80234974 United States 08/05/2022 03:52 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | ... Quoting: Weyoun 100% justified. Once you show you are invader, any force to stop you is justified. Reasonable force not any. Okay, so we won't drop any nukes. If someone is not assaulting you with lethal force, I don't believe lethal force should be used. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 80104801 If I was on a jury, that store keeper would be found guilty. If the thief was threatening the shop keeper with a deadly weapon then it would be a different verdict. Agree, this is manslaughter. That was cold blooded murder of someone basically doing a dine and dash. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 83294801 Was he unarmed? If he was I tend to agree, he wasn't attacking the shop keeper. This sounded like a young white kid not some hardened black criminal. Look, that video is brutal to watch but let’s face it, the moment you advance toward me with the intent to do harm, I’m taking whatever actions are necessary to neutralize the threat. Quoting: Companion Maybe that troubled youth will think twice next time he tries that, if there is a next time. It sounded like a young white kid, unarmed and made the most stupid decision of his life, I could tell by his tone he wasn't a serious hardened criminal like many blacks you see....I could be wrong, but if they weren't armed which they don't appear to be, I don't believe this was justified, he didn't attempt to attack the shop keeper, he just wanted a few things. Horrible video to watch but in the end the kid has no one to blame but himself. In the end the kid has no one to blame but himself... You're trying to read the thugs mind having the luxury to replay the video many times in the comfort of your mom's basement. The hardworking asian has to make a split second decision before being turned into another curb stomping ground meat. I can tell your biased by your display name. You are Asian I assume? Anyway It was excessive force and you know it. If he just hung out in that corner the kid would have grabbed a few things and left and both their lives wouldn't have been ruined forever. If they hadn't robbed the store their lives wouldn't have been ruined forever. |
PitCleanUp.com
User ID: 83767220 United States 08/05/2022 03:52 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | This barbaric video and many others like it are being spread without regard to the harm it inflicts on public consciousness. It's just irresponsible and dangerous to spread such violent images to the mass media without some dampening of the violence. THIS WILL CAUSE MORE VIOLENCE. Whatever happened to the rule that you should blur out the nasty parts? This will only further to hasten the spiral down for society, and also probably start another discussion of what is "FREE SPEECH." Thanks, Twatter. In the future... DON'T LITTER! DON'T LITTER! PitCleanUp.com |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 74979867 United Kingdom 08/05/2022 03:52 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | ... Quoting: Anonymous Coward 82917880 You filthy retard, you are totally wrong. Deadly force is not permitted because someone jumps over a counter. Dumb shit. 100% justified. Once you show you are invader, any force to stop you is justified. Reasonable force not any. Okay, so we won't drop any nukes. Nope you only do that to Japan. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 51292729 United States 08/05/2022 03:52 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | what the fuck are you people talking about? yes the fucking dude deserved to get the shit stabbed out of him play stupid games win stupid prizes mother fuckers really out here gettin real bold but forgetting this is the way the world works... this is more like a fucking reality check in this crazy ass 2022 world hopefully more of this shit starts happening and mother fuckers realize stealing can lead to getting yourself killed.. maybe then these scumbags will think twice yall gettin programmed to just be fucking victims and it shows |
Vasily
User ID: 81916909 United States 08/05/2022 03:53 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I can tell your biased by your display name. You are Asian I assume? Quoting: Anonymous Coward 81572619 Anyway It was excessive force and you know it. If he just hung out in that corner the kid would have grabbed a few things and left and both their lives wouldn't have been ruined forever. Just because you can imagine it, does not mean it's true. Go ahead, make up some more shit. |
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BFD
User ID: 77614038 United States 08/05/2022 03:54 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | ... Quoting: Weyoun 100% justified. Once you show you are invader, any force to stop you is justified. Reasonable force not any. Okay, so we won't drop any nukes. Nope you only do that to Japan. We already did 2x and they piped down real quick, no? INFJ/Conservative Artist |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 79889820 Canada 08/05/2022 03:54 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | If he just hung out in that corner the kid would have grabbed a few things and left and both their lives wouldn't have been ruined forever. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 81572619 People shouldn't have to cower in the corner while assholes loot their homes, their stores, or their wallets, simply because you are feeling uncomfortable about the consequences. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 83968638 United States 08/05/2022 03:54 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | 79044425:MV81MjAxMjU2Xzk1NjY3MDk1X0Q3MjlFNEE=] To all the apologists, why do you automatically think it was just a robbery?.....once he jumps the counter, he might be trying to kill the asian worker, have we not seen enough of that?.... Quoting: Anonymous Coward 79044425 How would the worker know the intent of the thug?....is there some kinda signal or contract that sez he is just after merchandise and not hurt me afterwards? Well I’m not sympathetic at the least but you could see that kid going for item on shelf and not after shop keeper. Pretty sure they were kids also They need to find some other way to "play". |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 83667304 08/05/2022 03:55 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | ... Quoting: Weyoun 100% justified. Once you show you are invader, any force to stop you is justified. Reasonable force not any. Okay, so we won't drop any nukes. Nope you only do that to Japan. Should of been tokyo also |
Weyoun
User ID: 81110693 United States 08/05/2022 03:55 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | ... Quoting: Weyoun 100% justified. Once you show you are invader, any force to stop you is justified. Reasonable force not any. Okay, so we won't drop any nukes. If someone is not assaulting you with lethal force, I don't believe lethal force should be used. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 80104801 If I was on a jury, that store keeper would be found guilty. If the thief was threatening the shop keeper with a deadly weapon then it would be a different verdict. Agree, this is manslaughter. That was cold blooded murder of someone basically doing a dine and dash. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 83294801 Was he unarmed? If he was I tend to agree, he wasn't attacking the shop keeper. This sounded like a young white kid not some hardened black criminal. Look, that video is brutal to watch but let’s face it, the moment you advance toward me with the intent to do harm, I’m taking whatever actions are necessary to neutralize the threat. Quoting: Companion Maybe that troubled youth will think twice next time he tries that, if there is a next time. It sounded like a young white kid, unarmed and made the most stupid decision of his life, I could tell by his tone he wasn't a serious hardened criminal like many blacks you see....I could be wrong, but if they weren't armed which they don't appear to be, I don't believe this was justified, he didn't attempt to attack the shop keeper, he just wanted a few things. Horrible video to watch but in the end the kid has no one to blame but himself. In the end the kid has no one to blame but himself... You're trying to read the thugs mind having the luxury to replay the video many times in the comfort of your mom's basement. The hardworking asian has to make a split second decision before being turned into another curb stomping ground meat. I can tell your biased by your display name. You are Asian I assume? Anyway It was excessive force and you know it. If he just hung out in that corner the kid would have grabbed a few things and left and both their lives wouldn't have been ruined forever. Again, you pretend to read the attacker's mind. Asian with back against wall faces a thug forcing his way past the only barrier that was between them. Asian has to react in split second to this charging thug. He has no time to flip though law books or hire a psychologist to psychoanalyze the thug. Thanks to his quick reaction, today he is not paralyzed in a hospital after thug embedded shoe in his cranium. Last Edited by Weyoun on 08/05/2022 03:56 PM |
Confederate Soldier
User ID: 72227637 United States 08/05/2022 03:55 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Did the robbers have any weapons? If not, killing one is not justified. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 82941565 The one to the right has something in his hand, could be a gun or a knife. There's a man in a white house with blood on his mouth! If there's Knaves in the North, there are braves in the South. We are three thousand horses, and not one afraid; We are three thousand sabres and not a dull blade. :78g: |
RestoreTheAnger
User ID: 83968805 United States 08/05/2022 03:55 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | 79044425:MV81MjAxMjU2Xzk1NjY3MDk1X0Q3MjlFNEE=] Quoting: Anonymous Coward 83968638 To all the apologists, why do you automatically think it was just a robbery?.....once he jumps the counter, he might be trying to kill the asian worker, have we not seen enough of that?.... Quoting: Anonymous Coward 79044425 How would the worker know the intent of the thug?....is there some kinda signal or contract that sez he is just after merchandise and not hurt me afterwards? Well I’m not sympathetic at the least but you could see that kid going for item on shelf and not after shop keeper. Pretty sure they were kids also They need to find some other way to "play". They found it… Sorry, that message is no longer in the database. |
BadProgBad
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 77399006 United States 08/05/2022 03:56 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | There's not enough info in a 5 second clip. Quoting: anon_cow Did they have weapons? Did they threaten him? Had they been there before? Maybe they said they would come back and kill him. Jumping the counter is threat of violence. Any type of invasion of an occupied space is assumed intent of violence. If I may, jumping the counter IS violence. It is a reckless disregard for someone else's private and personal space with ill intention. It cannot be interpreted in any other manner. The degree of their ill intention cannot be known beforehand. So, it is best to assume the worst and defend yourself in any manner available to you, imo. As for the store owner, NOT GUILTY. If I was on the jury he is getting off. Robbery should give everyone the ability to fight them off how ever they feel necessary. If that means with their fists.. a rock, knife, gun or flame thrower it shouldn't matter. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 81062799 I will not be part of a society that vilifies civilians for fighting criminals off in the heat of the moment Yes, and yes. Is it brutal? Fuck yes. Is it terrible? Of course. That does not mean it is not justified. The criminal made a very very bad decision which led to his death. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 82917880 United States 08/05/2022 03:56 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | 2 on 1 Quoting: KipKat Robbers don't rob the store by just asking friendly, you can assume they were armed. Store owner probably had to deal with (armed) robberies many times before. Not guilty. I don't think you can just assume someone robbing your store is armed unless it's part of the state's castle doctrine. Pretty sure in Nevada your castle is only your house and vehicle. Place of business is the same as your home or car, dumbo. Do you just pull laws out of your ass, as you need them? |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 82375160 United States 08/05/2022 03:57 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | What we know: 1. The thieves made a point of dressing in terrorist fashion. One in "Antifa" Black Block, the other in a black Balaclava. This gave an impression of intent to kill, even if none existed in their minds. 2. There were two attackers/thieves. They were committing a felony at the time, and one two to one in an attack counts as lethal force in most places. You are allowed to defend against lethal force with lethal force, in most places. 3. The defender had a knife. He wasn't striking the men from a distance. All the attacker had to do was not close bodily with the clerk and he was essentially untouchable by the weapon being used. 4. When the attacker was subdued and dropped, the defender stopped his actions. This attack wasn't a murder, it was defense against multiple attackers, given that. Under Nevada law: Clipped " you have a reasonable belief that the aggressor poses an immediate threat and you use no more force than is necessary to repel the aggressor’s threat." And... The defender meets the following: " Is not the original aggressor, Has a right to be in the place where deadly force is used, and Is not engaging in criminal activity." So, the entire case will hinge on the idea of what counts as deadly force. The shopkeeper was allowed and required to be there. He had no ability or duty to retreat. He was no the one engaged in criminal activity... The defense stopped when the attacker stopped posing a reasonable threat... So, did the man coming behind the counter aggressively dressed as he was, give a reasonable assumption that attack was imminent? That will be for a jury to decide, but if I was standing there, in that moment, I would have thought that it was, myself. Will a jury agree? We will see. |
All by Design
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Weyoun
User ID: 81110693 United States 08/05/2022 03:58 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | 2 on 1 Quoting: KipKat Robbers don't rob the store by just asking friendly, you can assume they were armed. Store owner probably had to deal with (armed) robberies many times before. Not guilty. I don't think you can just assume someone robbing your store is armed unless it's part of the state's castle doctrine. Pretty sure in Nevada your castle is only your house and vehicle. Place of business is the same as your home or car, dumbo. This. Plus, many hardworking asians sleep in their shops. This how they save the money. |
anon_cow
User ID: 83920834 United States 08/05/2022 03:59 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | 2 on 1 Quoting: KipKat Robbers don't rob the store by just asking friendly, you can assume they were armed. Store owner probably had to deal with (armed) robberies many times before. Not guilty. I don't think you can just assume someone robbing your store is armed unless it's part of the state's castle doctrine. Pretty sure in Nevada your castle is only your house and vehicle. here's another tard the criminal got exactly what he deserved your attitude is why we are here fucking idiots everywhere I'm a "tard" because I don't want you idiots to end up in prison due to all the wrong legal advice in this thread? I never said I would vote guilty. |
Vasily
User ID: 81916909 United States 08/05/2022 03:59 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | What we know: Quoting: Anonymous Coward 82375160 1. The thieves made a point of dressing in terrorist fashion. One in "Antifa" Black Block, the other in a black Balaclava. This gave an impression of intent to kill, even if none existed in their minds. 2. There were two attackers/thieves. They were committing a felony at the time, and one two to one in an attack counts as lethal force in most places. You are allowed to defend against lethal force with lethal force, in most places. 3. The defender had a knife. He wasn't striking the men from a distance. All the attacker had to do was not close bodily with the clerk and he was essentially untouchable by the weapon being used. 4. When the attacker was subdued and dropped, the defender stopped his actions. This attack wasn't a murder, it was defense against multiple attackers, given that. Under Nevada law: Clipped " you have a reasonable belief that the aggressor poses an immediate threat and you use no more force than is necessary to repel the aggressor’s threat." And... The defender meets the following: " Is not the original aggressor, Has a right to be in the place where deadly force is used, and Is not engaging in criminal activity." So, the entire case will hinge on the idea of what counts as deadly force. The shopkeeper was allowed and required to be there. He had no ability or duty to retreat. He was no the one engaged in criminal activity... The defense stopped when the attacker stopped posing a reasonable threat... So, did the man coming behind the counter aggressively dressed as he was, give a reasonable assumption that attack was imminent? That will be for a jury to decide, but if I was standing there, in that moment, I would have thought that it was, myself. Will a jury agree? We will see. |
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NJman1619
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 81391794 Spain 08/05/2022 04:00 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Look, I get it, crime is totally out of control and even worse, it's intentionally being allowed to be. Quoting: J-Bird However, this one just really doesn't sit well. Maybe it's the innocence & fear in the perp's voice as he exclaims, "I'm dead..." but really not feeling like this needed to go down like that. Fucking tragic all around for this country. What do y'all think? https://twitter.com/_/status/1555610270256562176 I'm no way justified in the northeast but I guess we'll see what Nevada laws are. That's all that matters is the law right? Otherwise it should be common sense you don't murder someone for stealing. If he threatens you with harm you can absolutely take their life in most states. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 81391794 Spain 08/05/2022 04:00 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Look, I get it, crime is totally out of control and even worse, it's intentionally being allowed to be. Quoting: J-Bird However, this one just really doesn't sit well. Maybe it's the innocence & fear in the perp's voice as he exclaims, "I'm dead..." but really not feeling like this needed to go down like that. Fucking tragic all around for this country. What do y'all think? https://twitter.com/_/status/1555610270256562176 I'm no way justified in the northeast but I guess we'll see what Nevada laws are. That's all that matters is the law right? Otherwise it should be common sense you don't murder someone for stealing. If he threatens you with harm you can absolutely take their life in most states. |