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Discussion on what was before the start of the universe?

 
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Discussion on what was before the start of the universe?
Genesis speaks of beginnings—of the heavens and the earth, of light and darkness, of seas and skies, of land and vegetation, of sun and moon and stars, of sea and air and land animals, of human beings (made in God's own image, the climax of his creative activity), of marriage and family, of society and civilization, of sin and redemption.

Before the start of the beginning, before the start of the heavens and the earth (before previous names of our planet gaia, terra, etc.); before light and dark (before light and dark split), and before the start of the seas and the skies, before land and vegetation, before the sun and the moon and the stars, before sea and air and land animals, and of the human beings you may ask, before the start of all of the human race, going before the start of the original human. Before society's and civilizations. Before the humans had original sin and redemption.

Before the start of the universe.

Yes.

A question greater than time.

Was space before the start of time? Could space be before the universe?

Not true after all, before the start of time, before the start of the universe, there was not this so called space, there was a original name kept secret before the start of space. Hidden away to be known by only the greatest of those that could past the test of time. Go before the start of time.

Who is allowed to know the original name before space. Such power!!

Original god at the origin of god, where god actually did start before the gods of religions.

Original goddess at the origin of goddess, where goddess actually did start before the goddess of religions.

Original creator at the origin of creator, where creator actually did start before the creators of religions.

Original source at the origin of source, where source actually did start before the sources of religions.

What do you actually believe was there before the start of the universe? Leave you comment bellow.
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Re: Discussion on what was before the start of the universe?
eternal consciousness, . .that's all
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Re: Discussion on what was before the start of the universe?
there was no time before the universe existed
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Re: Discussion on what was before the start of the universe?

1. “You can’t fire a cannon, from a canoe!”
2. “Strength is gained in the range it is trained.”
3. “If it doesn’t swim, run, or fly, or isn’t green and grow in the ground, don’t eat it.”
4. “Know that you have complete control over what you put in your mouth. No one ever ate anything by accident.”
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Re: Discussion on what was before the start of the universe?
How did everything come from nothing? Easy .
WHITE HOLE . The other side of a black hole. What is at the bottom of a black hole ? An entrance to another universe created by the black hole. A white hole emitting matter outward to grow a new universe. Opposite of a black ,sucking in matter.
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Re: Discussion on what was before the start of the universe?
there was no time before the universe existed
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^this

being in the stream of space/time, OP can have no sense of not-being.

This what meditation is for OP. To learn to transcend not just yourself, but the set of paradigms the universe controls you with.

There is no space or time outside of space-time. When you understand that, you are at the beginning of understanding.
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Re: Discussion on what was before the start of the universe?
there was no time before the universe existed
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 82777373


^this

being in the stream of space/time, OP can have no sense of not-being.

This what meditation is for OP. To learn to transcend not just yourself, but the set of paradigms the universe controls you with.

There is no space or time outside of space-time. When you understand that, you are at the beginning of understanding.
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Yes agree more the most part except there was not time, even before no time or yes time even before the start of time did not actually exist. transcending time is finding what actually can start a time continuum. Not space because John Milton, who visited Galileo in 1638, was the first writer to ever use the word space, in the sense of outer space, to consider the infinite scope of the universe. As he wrote in book 8 of Paradise Lost: ... this earth a spot, a grain, An atom, with the firmament compared And all her numbered stars that seem to roll Space incomprehensible.

Prior to Milton, the word "space" has its history in English stretching back as far as the 14th century, variously meaning "place, extent of time, territory, distance between two points." The word descends from the Old French “espace", ultimately from the Latin "spatium".

So space was not even the original name so thats why space cant transcend time and start a time continuum.
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Re: Discussion on what was before the start of the universe?
It wasn't nothing. And no God need to have been involved.
Just don't make anything up.
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It is a difficult concept to accept, but the universe has always existed.
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Re: Discussion on what was before the start of the universe?
breaking wheel of time
by saying linear time
is the ancient spell
that constructed hell


the concept of linear time started with jdiasm
it took hold and was spread throughout the western world by the rise of christianity

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euh you cant measure what is nothing so the start is always kind of unknown and thats why grass grows and wind fluctuates.
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Re: Discussion on what was before the start of the universe?
It is a difficult concept to accept, but the universe has always existed.
 Quoting: Vasily


No is not and yes it is in some way.
You should ask yourself this
Is universe perfect or is not?
If is not then nothing matters and you can do what ever you want without any consequences. But you can see consequences all over you every moment of the day so?
Now if is perfect then everything and everyone is on the way to perfection, but how you can be perfect if you broke a leg and how you can be perfect if you didn’t? So if is perfect then option 1 and 2 has to happen. But to happen you have to live in to separate sides at the same moment.
So universe can be perfect but has to have multiple possibilities going at the same moment and they all going to the same point when perfection is achieved and than this universe is no longer needed.
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Re: Discussion on what was before the start of the universe?
breaking wheel of time
by saying linear time
is the ancient spell
that constructed hell


the concept of linear time started with jdiasm
it took hold and was spread throughout the western world by the rise of christianity
 Quoting: esy


Technically time is a human concept and does not exist in the real world.
Is only action and reaction but not time.
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Re: Discussion on what was before the start of the universe?
Why should anyone care? And we will never know anyway, if all the laws of physics came into existence at the same moment as the universe.
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since before when a man could see, there was eternity

after man has come & gone, eternity lingers on
- Grateful Dead

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Re: Discussion on what was before the start of the universe?
The answer is suprisingly simple.

God.
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since before when a man could see, there was eternity

after man has come & gone, eternity lingers on
- Grateful Dead

stoner
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Open squid looking at the sky into dense swimming one..,
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Re: Discussion on what was before the start of the universe?
The universe is and always has been, and it has been eternally changing.

What you are referring to is simply the beginning of a change in the state of being of this universe's existence.

Likewise, there will also be an end to this current experience!

What was before and what will be after is almost a redundant line of thought.

Rather turn your question to what is NOW! What was before and what will be after, are both irrelevant because what was is gone and only resides in the memory and what will be resides only in the imagination!

King Solomon the wise pondered these questions eons ago -

That which is - has already been, and what is to be - has already been. Quote: King Solomon. Ecclesiastes 3
That which is - has already been, And what is to be - has already been. Quote: King Solomon.
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Re: Discussion on what was before the start of the universe?
It wasn't nothing. And no God need to have been involved.
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hesright
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Re: Discussion on what was before the start of the universe?
breaking wheel of time
by saying linear time
is the ancient spell
that constructed hell


the concept of linear time started with jdiasm
it took hold and was spread throughout the western world by the rise of christianity
 Quoting: esy


"Man fears Time,
but Time fears the Pyramids"
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Re: Discussion on what was before the start of the universe?
Before the Universe was, I am.

I knew you before you were made.
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Re: Discussion on what was before the start of the universe?
I guess a consciousness spontaneously formed which imagined the universe into existence.
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Re: Discussion on what was before the start of the universe?
Before the big bang, was the potentially big about to be banged. The Big Foreplay
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How did everything come from nothing? Easy .
WHITE HOLE . The other side of a black hole. What is at the bottom of a black hole ? An entrance to another universe created by the black hole. A white hole emitting matter outward to grow a new universe. Opposite of a black ,sucking in matter.
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hesright
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A blank, worn sheet of paper sitting in an abandoned bus terminal in Mackinaw City, Michigan.
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Genesis speaks of beginnings—of the heavens and the earth, of light and darkness, of seas and skies, of land and vegetation, of sun and moon and stars, of sea and air and land animals, of human beings (made in God's own image, the climax of his creative activity), of marriage and family, of society and civilization, of sin and redemption.

Before the start of the beginning, before the start of the heavens and the earth (before previous names of our planet gaia, terra, etc.); before light and dark (before light and dark split), and before the start of the seas and the skies, before land and vegetation, before the sun and the moon and the stars, before sea and air and land animals, and of the human beings you may ask, before the start of all of the human race, going before the start of the original human. Before society's and civilizations. Before the humans had original sin and redemption.

Before the start of the universe.

Yes.

A question greater than time.

Was space before the start of time? Could space be before the universe?

Not true after all, before the start of time, before the start of the universe, there was not this so called space, there was a original name kept secret before the start of space. Hidden away to be known by only the greatest of those that could past the test of time. Go before the start of time.

Who is allowed to know the original name before space. Such power!!

Original god at the origin of god, where god actually did start before the gods of religions.

Original goddess at the origin of goddess, where goddess actually did start before the goddess of religions.

Original creator at the origin of creator, where creator actually did start before the creators of religions.

Original source at the origin of source, where source actually did start before the sources of religions.

What do you actually believe was there before the start of the universe? Leave you comment bellow.
 Quoting: Spirit 80722981


John 1: In the beginning was the Word and the Word was with God and the Word was God

“ word” meaning information

George Gilder, Information Theory analyst, ,does a brilliant analysis of the significance of this short statement to an unleashed design direction that led to Creation. But Does not address the identity or source of the Designer or Design …still open for debate. Native culture referred to “ the Great Mystery” which we are no closer to discovering, even with CERN trying to break the toys in the toy box ….with the theory that if you can take something apart, you can understand how…and maybe why…it was built

Apparently you will have to do your own search for the Gilder interviews of the past decade because the archive source is censored here
Does not answer the question of “ what” was there but relentlessly holds science to its own Central Dogma that information cannot emerge from chaos and self-assemble, but is only assembled by intellligence

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0/0 = 1
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Well if God created the heavens and the earth

Stands to reason

There is something outside of those 2 realms
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Q from star trek
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darkness and the potential of light
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we may never know, though from the beginning of time man has pondered this question.



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