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In a court filing Trump’s lawyers admit there is no hard evidence of election fraud. Trump “subjectively believes” there was fraud. | |
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| Anonymous Coward User ID: 6176722 United States08/10/2022 01:49 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: In a court filing Trump’s lawyers admit there is no hard evidence of election fraud. Trump “subjectively believes” there was fraud. Trump legal threat against CNN stops short of arguing that his election-fraud claims are true, says only that he 'subjectively believes' them Quoting: Anonymous Coward 83498224 In their legal threat against CNN, former President Donald Trump's lawyers stopped short of saying his election-fraud claims were true, saying instead that the former president "subjectively believes" them. In a 282-page document submitted to CNN last week, Trump's legal team said it would sue the network unless it issued a correction, apology, or retraction on stories about Trump, including ones where it dismissed his claims of voter fraud in the 2020 election. Trump said on Wednesday that he had contacted CNN to say he intends to sue. In their document, the lawyers said that CNN repeatedly said Trump was "lying" but that Trump could not be lying as he "subjectively believes" his loss was due to voter fraud. "In this instance, President Trump's comments are not lies: He subjectively believes that the results of the 2020 presidential election turned on fraudulent voting activity in several key states," the lawyers wrote. They said that CNN started accusing Trump of lying before audits and recounts took place in states where Trump alleged there was fraud. They also used a dictionary definition to argue that Trump could not be lying. "Webster's Dictionary defines a 'lie' as an assertion of something known or believed by the speaker to be untrue with intent to deceive," they said. [link to www.businessinsider.com (secure)] From the court filing saying that Trump is not lying about election fraud because he believes there was election fraud even though there’s no evidence to objectively confirm his belief. He subjectively believes that the results of the 2020 presidential election turned on fraudulent voting activity in several key states. President Trump harbors a subjective belief that he was unfairly deprived of a second term in office. Yes and "subjectivily" there is evidence of a January insurrection.  |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 81322357  Singapore08/10/2022 01:51 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: In a court filing Trump’s lawyers admit there is no hard evidence of election fraud. Trump “subjectively believes” there was fraud. It’s amazing. Mike Lindell also subjectively believes there was massive voter fraud. And he’s going to drop the hard evidence to prove it in less than two weeks. https://twitter.com/_/status/1555930579782230018 |
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| Anonymous Coward User ID: 83995361 United States08/10/2022 02:30 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: In a court filing Trump’s lawyers admit there is no hard evidence of election fraud. Trump “subjectively believes” there was fraud. It’s amazing. Mike Lindell also subjectively believes there was massive voter fraud. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 81322357 And he’s going to drop the hard evidence to prove it in less than two weeks. https://twitter.com/_/status/1555930579782230018 My pillow guy needs to release a dozen krakens at this point, because he has zero credibility. |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 80824090 Canada08/10/2022 02:31 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: In a court filing Trump’s lawyers admit there is no hard evidence of election fraud. Trump “subjectively believes” there was fraud. Trump hasn’t even filed the lawsuit yet but he’s already grifting it: Former President Donald Trump asked supporters Friday in his online newsletter for donations toward his “impending” lawsuit against CNN for calling his claims of voter fraud regarding the 2020 presidential election “baseless.” “I’m calling on my best and most dedicated supporters to add their names to stand with me in my impending lawsuit against fake news CNN,” wrote Trump. “Add your name immediately to show your support for my upcoming lawsuit against fake news CNN.” The email concluded with a link to Trump’s online donation portal. The Republican National Committee (RNC) has warned Trump they would stop footing his legal bills if he declared his presidential candidacy for 2024. The RNC has paid nearly $2 million to companies that represent Trump since October 2021. Trump’s fundraising request came after his attorneys hit CNN with a 282-page letter in July demanding the media network remove all uses of “the big lie” and “lying” from its coverage of his claims that the election was fraudulent. https://twitter.com/_/status/1555972583715061760 |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 80824090 Canada08/10/2022 02:32 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: In a court filing Trump’s lawyers admit there is no hard evidence of election fraud. Trump “subjectively believes” there was fraud. It’s amazing. Mike Lindell also subjectively believes there was massive voter fraud. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 81322357 And he’s going to drop the hard evidence to prove it in less than two weeks. https://twitter.com/_/status/1555930579782230018 My pillow guy needs to release a dozen krakens at this point, because he has zero credibility. For the same reason, does Trump? |
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| The Gullible Skeptic
User ID: 70011787 United States08/10/2022 02:32 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: In a court filing Trump’s lawyers admit there is no hard evidence of election fraud. Trump “subjectively believes” there was fraud. Not fraud just "fortification" INTP/8w9 Ennegram "You can't teach anyone anything but they can choose to learn" -Me- "To exist is to destroy"-Me- "Specialization is for insects" -Robert Heinlein- Nine Noble Virtues: ODINISM: Truth,Courage,Honor,Fidelity,Discipline,Hospitality,Self Reliance, Industriousness, Perseverance |
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| Servant-of-the-LORD
User ID: 4683256 United States08/10/2022 02:51 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: In a court filing Trump’s lawyers admit there is no hard evidence of election fraud. Trump “subjectively believes” there was fraud. The fact that various elected politicians, election officials and Dominion themselves fought tooth and nail to PREVENT access to the scanner data is an admission in and of itself. Nothing to hde? No reason to refuse access. Last Edited by Servant-of-the-LORD on 08/10/2022 02:51 PM I am a humble Servant of the one True Living God. |
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| Anonymous Coward User ID: 79889820 Canada08/10/2022 02:58 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: In a court filing Trump’s lawyers admit there is no hard evidence of election fraud. Trump “subjectively believes” there was fraud. Not really. This can't be settled in court because the justice system is corrupt. It's not going to be reformed and the integrity of elections isn't going to be secured. You are asking the same people who pulled the scam to make it good. Not gonna happen. |
| Weisshaupt
User ID: 83969939 United States08/10/2022 03:00 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: In a court filing Trump’s lawyers admit there is no hard evidence of election fraud. Trump “subjectively believes” there was fraud. Trump legal threat against CNN stops short of arguing that his election-fraud claims are true, says only that he 'subjectively believes' them Quoting: Anonymous Coward 83498224 In their legal threat against CNN, former President Donald Trump's lawyers stopped short of saying his election-fraud claims were true, saying instead that the former president "subjectively believes" them. In a 282-page document submitted to CNN last week, Trump's legal team said it would sue the network unless it issued a correction, apology, or retraction on stories about Trump, including ones where it dismissed his claims of voter fraud in the 2020 election. Trump said on Wednesday that he had contacted CNN to say he intends to sue. In their document, the lawyers said that CNN repeatedly said Trump was "lying" but that Trump could not be lying as he "subjectively believes" his loss was due to voter fraud. "In this instance, President Trump's comments are not lies: He subjectively believes that the results of the 2020 presidential election turned on fraudulent voting activity in several key states," the lawyers wrote. They said that CNN started accusing Trump of lying before audits and recounts took place in states where Trump alleged there was fraud. They also used a dictionary definition to argue that Trump could not be lying. "Webster's Dictionary defines a 'lie' as an assertion of something known or believed by the speaker to be untrue with intent to deceive," they said. [link to www.businessinsider.com (secure)] From the court filing saying that Trump is not lying about election fraud because he believes there was election fraud even though there’s no evidence to objectively confirm his belief. He subjectively believes that the results of the 2020 presidential election turned on fraudulent voting activity in several key states. President Trump harbors a subjective belief that he was unfairly deprived of a second term in office. Yeah just unclean voter rolls, illegal drop boxes, illegal ballot harvesting, and illegal ejection of poll watchers. Nothing to see here. |
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| Anonymous Coward User ID: 80824090 Canada08/10/2022 03:02 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: In a court filing Trump’s lawyers admit there is no hard evidence of election fraud. Trump “subjectively believes” there was fraud. Trump legal threat against CNN stops short of arguing that his election-fraud claims are true, says only that he 'subjectively believes' them Quoting: Anonymous Coward 83498224 In their legal threat against CNN, former President Donald Trump's lawyers stopped short of saying his election-fraud claims were true, saying instead that the former president "subjectively believes" them. In a 282-page document submitted to CNN last week, Trump's legal team said it would sue the network unless it issued a correction, apology, or retraction on stories about Trump, including ones where it dismissed his claims of voter fraud in the 2020 election. Trump said on Wednesday that he had contacted CNN to say he intends to sue. In their document, the lawyers said that CNN repeatedly said Trump was "lying" but that Trump could not be lying as he "subjectively believes" his loss was due to voter fraud. "In this instance, President Trump's comments are not lies: He subjectively believes that the results of the 2020 presidential election turned on fraudulent voting activity in several key states," the lawyers wrote. They said that CNN started accusing Trump of lying before audits and recounts took place in states where Trump alleged there was fraud. They also used a dictionary definition to argue that Trump could not be lying. "Webster's Dictionary defines a 'lie' as an assertion of something known or believed by the speaker to be untrue with intent to deceive," they said. [link to www.businessinsider.com (secure)] From the court filing saying that Trump is not lying about election fraud because he believes there was election fraud even though there’s no evidence to objectively confirm his belief. He subjectively believes that the results of the 2020 presidential election turned on fraudulent voting activity in several key states. President Trump harbors a subjective belief that he was unfairly deprived of a second term in office. Yeah just unclean voter rolls, illegal drop boxes, illegal ballot harvesting, and illegal ejection of poll watchers. Nothing to see here. You’re right. No evidence to see here. If there was, Trump’s lawyers would show it and they wouldn’t call it “subjective belief”. |
| Fools, The Lot User ID: 83995024 08/10/2022 03:05 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: In a court filing Trump’s lawyers admit there is no hard evidence of election fraud. Trump “subjectively believes” there was fraud. Did they ever put forth a definition of "hard evidence"? What evidence would accepted as "hard evidence"? Video of mass ballot drops? No? Video of ballot rescanning by poll workers? No? Evidence of database tampering, deletion, obfuscation on election machines? No? Evidence of internet connectivity on election machines - last minute software "updates", etc.? No? Blocking and ejection of election observers? No? It's easy to flatly state there is no "hard evidence" if you simply refuse to define "hard evidence". |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 80824090 Canada08/10/2022 03:08 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: In a court filing Trump’s lawyers admit there is no hard evidence of election fraud. Trump “subjectively believes” there was fraud. Did they ever put forth a definition of "hard evidence"? What evidence would accepted as "hard evidence"? Quoting: Fools, The Lot 83995024 Video of mass ballot drops? No? Video of ballot rescanning by poll workers? No? Evidence of database tampering, deletion, obfuscation on election machines? No? Evidence of internet connectivity on election machines - last minute software "updates", etc.? No? Blocking and ejection of election observers? No? It's easy to flatly state there is no "hard evidence" if you simply refuse to define "hard evidence". I think it’s the same as Mike Lindell’s “absolute proof” of massive election fraud, which he will be presenting to SCOTUS in two weeks. |
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| Tanoros
User ID: 79771480 United States08/10/2022 03:48 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: In a court filing Trump’s lawyers admit there is no hard evidence of election fraud. Trump “subjectively believes” there was fraud. Sure, stop the counting at midnight. Send observers home. Restart count without observers and in the morning after the overnight count fake Joe is ahead. Quoting: ShortStop  You didn’t even mention the rate at which ballots had to be adjudicated (which means re-filled out by the friendly Liberal voting station staff). I don’t have the numbers in front of me, but there were some counties with an adjudication rate as high as 60%, when the machines are not supposed to be certified if above 1%. Also, large numbers of counties nation wide (that used the machines) had adjudication rates well above 10%+. Anyone with eyes to see knows there was voter fraud. Add the 2,000 Mules documentary to that list too. Lastly, why the hesitancy to perform extensive/transparent audits? There is no question there was cheating, the real question is how much. Last Edited by Tanoros on 08/10/2022 03:48 PM |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 83993710 United States08/10/2022 03:51 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: In a court filing Trump’s lawyers admit there is no hard evidence of election fraud. Trump “subjectively believes” there was fraud. HOW MANY MAIL-IN BALLOTS WERE MAILED OUT TO PEOPLE WHO DIDN'T REQUEST THEM IN 2020 GENERAL ELECTION???? There is your election fraud, morans. It was on an Institutional level. |
