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So to put to rest the question of if UV-C radiation is reaching the surface of the earth, and how much...

 
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So to put to rest the question of if UV-C radiation is reaching the surface of the earth, and how much...
Mainstream science states that UV-C, the most destructive wavelength range in solar radiation, never reaches the surface of the planet and is filtered out by atmospheric ozone.

Well I purchased a UV-C light meter to see if that is the truth. The answer is a resounding NO.

My first reading in afternoon sun here in the desert southwest was 27 microwatts/cm2. I am guessing that high noon sun would probably produce roughly double that.

To put that into perspective, the below is the chart of maximum exposure times based on UV-C irradiance:

Permissible exposure time * Effective irradiance

(seconds) (uW/cm2)
28800 0.10
14400 0.21
7200 0.42
3600 0.83
1800 1.67
900 3.33
600 5.00
300 10.00
60 50.00
30 100.00
10 300.00
3 1000.00
1 3000.00
0.5 6000.00
0.3 10000.00
0.1 30000.00

At 27 uW/cm2, your max exposure time is about 2.5 minutes before it starts damaging your cells.

To give you another example, I have an LED UV-C sterilization lamp, and it produces 20 microwatts/cm2. The sun was producing even more UV-C than my pretty intense UV-C sterilization lamp when shined directly onto the sensor.

Notice that the sun feels hotter these days and the sting comes on much faster than it did many years ago? That's the UV-C destroying your skin cells.

Imagine what it is doing to everything else that isn't shielded from the sun outside? Would be interesting to hear how everyone's open air uncovered garden is doing this year.

So that puts it to rest. UV-C is most definitely reaching ground level, which means something is very wrong with the atmospheric ozone that is supposed to completely filter it out.

UPDATE: Took another reading during the noon hour on a partly cloudy day today. 38 microwatts/cm2.

EQUIPMENT:

[link to generaltools.com (secure)]

Specifications:

Measurement ranges: 1 to 9999 μW/cm2 (low) and 0.01 to 40 mW/cm2 (high)
Measurement accuracy: ±(4% of reading +1 digit)
Spectral range: 220 to 275 nm
Calibration point: 254 nm
Sampling time: 0.3 seconds
Memory capacity: 20 measurements, plus 1 for interval time
Interval time options: 1, 2, 5, 10 and 30 seconds and 1, 3, 5 and 10 minutes
Operating temperature: 32° to 122°F (0° to 50°C) @< 90% RH
Weight: 3.2 oz. (90g)
Power source: "9V" battery (included)

THREAD OBSERVATIONS:

Central Arizona: 27-38 uW/cm2
Northwest New Jersey: 28-39 uW/cm2
Central Florida: 42-49 uW/cm2

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Re: So to put to rest the question of if UV-C radiation is reaching the surface of the earth, and how much...
UV-C should be ZERO.
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Re: So to put to rest the question of if UV-C radiation is reaching the surface of the earth, and how much...
Thanks for doing that and sharing.

My wife frequents gardening centers and the buzz going around as to why their plants aren't doing as well is because of the uvc light from the sun/
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Re: So to put to rest the question of if UV-C radiation is reaching the surface of the earth, and how much...
Suns gearing up for its 12000 year shitfest.

Its just clearing the pipes right now.

Pre shit farts.
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Re: So to put to rest the question of if UV-C radiation is reaching the surface of the earth, and how much...
Wouldn't it be just as likely that your meter is poor quality or not correctly calibrated? Seems unlikely that all the scientists in the world could be convinced, to hide the truth about UVC
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Re: So to put to rest the question of if UV-C radiation is reaching the surface of the earth, and how much...
I have NEVER felt a “sting” while in the sun…never. Perhaps you are overly sensitive? Never !
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Re: So to put to rest the question of if UV-C radiation is reaching the surface of the earth, and how much...
Wouldn't it be just as likely that your meter is poor quality or not correctly calibrated? Seems unlikely that all the scientists in the world could be convinced, to hide the truth about UVC
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It is calibrated to 254nm and is reading accurately.
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Re: So to put to rest the question of if UV-C radiation is reaching the surface of the earth, and how much...
Wouldn't it be just as likely that your meter is poor quality or not correctly calibrated? Seems unlikely that all the scientists in the world could be convinced, to hide the truth about UVC
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Want proof? Buy a meter and see for yourself.
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Re: So to put to rest the question of if UV-C radiation is reaching the surface of the earth, and how much...
Wouldn't it be just as likely that your meter is poor quality or not correctly calibrated? Seems unlikely that all the scientists in the world could be convinced, to hide the truth about UVC
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I have read multiple articles stating that UVC rays started reaching the earth 5 years ago as the magnetic field has been declining, allowing it to enter

I thought it was common knowledge
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Re: So to put to rest the question of if UV-C radiation is reaching the surface of the earth, and how much...
Wouldn't it be just as likely that your meter is poor quality or not correctly calibrated? Seems unlikely that all the scientists in the world could be convinced, to hide the truth about UVC
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I have read multiple articles stating that UVC rays started reaching the earth 5 years ago as the magnetic field has been declining, allowing it to enter

I thought it was common knowledge
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It is ozone that filters UV-C.
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Re: So to put to rest the question of if UV-C radiation is reaching the surface of the earth, and how much...
IN 1985 IT TOOK 8 HOURS IN THE SUN TO GET A SUNBURN.

TODAY IT TAKES 15 MINUTES!

IN 1985 IT TOOK TWO WEEKS FOR A NEWSPAPER LEFT ON THE LAWN TO TURN YELLOW

TODAY IT TAKES ONE DAY!

IN 1985 THE STRONGEST SUNDCREEN WAS SPF 8+ AND ONE COAT PROTECTED YOU ALL DAY.

TODAY SUNDCREENS ARE 50+ AND YOU NEED TO RE APPLY EVERY TWO HOURS.

IN 1985 AS KIDS WE DREW THE SUN AS A NICE YELLOW WARM HAPPY FACE.

TODAY KIDS DONT DRAW THE SUN AT ALL.

IN 1985 YOU NEVER SAW PAINT PEELING OFF CARS.

TODAY YOU SEE IT EVERYWHERE.

SHILLS...MOST OF WHOM ARE NOT EVEN 25 AND HAVE ZERO MEMORY OF A FRIENDLY WARM YELLOW SUN...

CAN SIMPLY GO FUCK THEMSELVES!!!
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Re: So to put to rest the question of if UV-C radiation is reaching the surface of the earth, and how much...
IN 1985 IT TOOK 8 HOURS IN THE SUN TO GET A SUNBURN.

TODAY IT TAKES 15 MINUTES!

IN 1985 IT TOOK TWO WEEKS FOR A NEWSPAPER LEFT ON THE LAWN TO TURN YELLOW

TODAY IT TAKES ONE DAY!

IN 1985 THE STRONGEST SUNDCREEN WAS SPF 8+ AND ONE COAT PROTECTED YOU ALL DAY.

TODAY SUNDCREENS ARE 50+ AND YOU NEED TO RE APPLY EVERY TWO HOURS.

IN 1985 AS KIDS WE DREW THE SUN AS A NICE YELLOW WARM HAPPY FACE.

TODAY KIDS DONT DRAW THE SUN AT ALL.

IN 1985 YOU NEVER SAW PAINT PEELING OFF CARS.

TODAY YOU SEE IT EVERYWHERE.

SHILLS...MOST OF WHOM ARE NOT EVEN 25 AND HAVE ZERO MEMORY OF A FRIENDLY WARM YELLOW SUN...

CAN SIMPLY GO FUCK THEMSELVES!!!

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I remember those days. I would never get sunburned, just tan. These days I burn, and burn quickly.
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Re: So to put to rest the question of if UV-C radiation is reaching the surface of the earth, and how much...
Wouldn't it be just as likely that your meter is poor quality or not correctly calibrated? Seems unlikely that all the scientists in the world could be convinced, to hide the truth about UVC
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lol its not the scientists its those hand rubbers who own the tv stations and internet that wont allow it to be aired. we know factually there are thousands of doctors. 70,000 alone in americas frontline doctors that signed on saying the vax is bad and ivermectin treats covid etc, but we know how that went on deaf ears due to the tv and internet owned by these people.
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Re: So to put to rest the question of if UV-C radiation is reaching the surface of the earth, and how much...
Wouldn't it be just as likely that your meter is poor quality or not correctly calibrated? Seems unlikely that all the scientists in the world could be convinced, to hide the truth about UVC
 Quoting: Countryboyseein


I have read multiple articles stating that UVC rays started reaching the earth 5 years ago as the magnetic field has been declining, allowing it to enter

I thought it was common knowledge
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hesright
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Re: So to put to rest the question of if UV-C radiation is reaching the surface of the earth, and how much...
Excellent thread!

I have been saying the same thing here and to people i know for several years now

The intensity of the Sun is much more noticeable now than it was in decades past

You can immediately feel the heat on your skip within seconds of going from share to sunlight, especially when the temperature is cool outside

I also wonder if there is a connection between this and the fact that the Sun is more white than yellow now and the say is not nearby as deep blue as it used to be

Maybe depletion of ozone and the lack of relection of certain wavelenghts plays a role in those things as well?
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There was a website that monitored UV-C and it was operating for 12 years+. Last year it was taken offline.
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Re: So to put to rest the question of if UV-C radiation is reaching the surface of the earth, and how much...
I've been feeling it for years and I've worked in the sun for decades.

In the past couple of weeks I've seen trees with the leaves curled up and withered like they've been burned. We are not in a drought, we've had plenty of rain.

OP, you might also check from morning to noon, all the withered leaves have been on the eastern to southeast side, from top to bottom.

The sunlight is fierce right now.
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The intensity of the sun has been causing all the plants to grow where i live in northern michigan to the point its like a rainforest. And they are always droopy no matter how much it rains as if they cannot get enough water. I suspect this is sucking up a shit ton of groundwater. I have to mow my grass at least twice a week now when i used to be able to do it 2-4 times a month. If im out in the sun just in the time it takes me to mow my grass my arms and neck and nose are red and burning. This is only about a half an hour. I have been avoiding the sun as much as possible now it does not feel like it used to anymore and i dont care what anyone says otherwise. Cosmic rays are not blocked by sunscreen and layers of clothing so be careful people..
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Re: So to put to rest the question of if UV-C radiation is reaching the surface of the earth, and how much...
I've been feeling it for years and I've worked in the sun for decades.

In the past couple of weeks I've seen trees with the leaves curled up and withered like they've been burned. We are not in a drought, we've had plenty of rain.

OP, you might also check from morning to noon, all the withered leaves have been on the eastern to southeast side, from top to bottom.

The sunlight is fierce right now.
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Yup I plan to take measurements periodically during the day tomorrow. I'll post the measurements here.
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Re: So to put to rest the question of if UV-C radiation is reaching the surface of the earth, and how much...
The intensity of the sun has been causing all the plants to grow where i live in northern michigan to the point its like a rainforest. And they are always droopy no matter how much it rains as if they cannot get enough water. I suspect this is sucking up a shit ton of groundwater. I have to mow my grass at least twice a week now when i used to be able to do it 2-4 times a month. If im out in the sun just in the time it takes me to mow my grass my arms and neck and nose are red and burning. This is only about a half an hour. I have been avoiding the sun as much as possible now it does not feel like it used to anymore and i dont care what anyone says otherwise. Cosmic rays are not blocked by sunscreen and layers of clothing so be careful people..
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^^^ tbis ^^^

I have a hedge row along the side of my property from the old farm plots before house were built

10 years ago I would have to cut back the tree branches and bushes maybe once per summer to keep them from encroaching onto the lawn

Now i have to. Un it back 2 or 3 times per summer easy

Also we have these will grape vines that literally grow like a foot per day
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Re: So to put to rest the question of if UV-C radiation is reaching the surface of the earth, and how much...
The intensity of the sun has been causing all the plants to grow where i live in northern michigan to the point its like a rainforest. And they are always droopy no matter how much it rains as if they cannot get enough water. I suspect this is sucking up a shit ton of groundwater. I have to mow my grass at least twice a week now when i used to be able to do it 2-4 times a month. If im out in the sun just in the time it takes me to mow my grass my arms and neck and nose are red and burning. This is only about a half an hour. I have been avoiding the sun as much as possible now it does not feel like it used to anymore and i dont care what anyone says otherwise. Cosmic rays are not blocked by sunscreen and layers of clothing so be careful people..
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I've noticed crabgrass growing like crazy, it's growing like it's Spring. One week of growth is too much other mower, and it never completely dries, it's so strange. I've waited until sunset for the crabgrass to dry and it's still wet.

I figured out I still need to mow every five days or I'm going to have problems with the mower bogging and the grass clumping.
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Re: So to put to rest the question of if UV-C radiation is reaching the surface of the earth, and how much...
I've been feeling it for years and I've worked in the sun for decades.

In the past couple of weeks I've seen trees with the leaves curled up and withered like they've been burned. We are not in a drought, we've had plenty of rain.

OP, you might also check from morning to noon, all the withered leaves have been on the eastern to southeast side, from top to bottom.

The sunlight is fierce right now.
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Yup I plan to take measurements periodically during the day tomorrow. I'll post the measurements here.
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Was just looking at meters and noticed the apps for measuring uv.

Don't know how accurate they are but will be trying one tomorrow.
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Re: So to put to rest the question of if UV-C radiation is reaching the surface of the earth, and how much...
I've been feeling it for years and I've worked in the sun for decades.

In the past couple of weeks I've seen trees with the leaves curled up and withered like they've been burned. We are not in a drought, we've had plenty of rain.

OP, you might also check from morning to noon, all the withered leaves have been on the eastern to southeast side, from top to bottom.

The sunlight is fierce right now.
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Yup I plan to take measurements periodically during the day tomorrow. I'll post the measurements here.
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Was just looking at meters and noticed the apps for measuring uv.

Don't know how accurate they are but will be trying one tomorrow.
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I doubt there are any sensors on phones or tablets that measure UV radiation, and definitely not specifically UV-C. If there are apps, its likely paired with some sort of USB sensor that you have to buy.

This is the meter I used:

[link to www.amazon.com (secure)]

I'll use the meter any time I'm going to be out in the sun for a while to determine how well I need to protect myself from the sun. Sun hats tend to help a lot, and UV-C does not penetrate well through clothes.
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Suns gearing up for its 12000 year shitfest.

Its just clearing the pipes right now.

Pre shit farts.
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bingo!
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Re: So to put to rest the question of if UV-C radiation is reaching the surface of the earth, and how much...
I've been feeling it for years and I've worked in the sun for decades.

In the past couple of weeks I've seen trees with the leaves curled up and withered like they've been burned. We are not in a drought, we've had plenty of rain.

OP, you might also check from morning to noon, all the withered leaves have been on the eastern to southeast side, from top to bottom.

The sunlight is fierce right now.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 84027076


Yup I plan to take measurements periodically during the day tomorrow. I'll post the measurements here.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 76254480


Was just looking at meters and noticed the apps for measuring uv.

Don't know how accurate they are but will be trying one tomorrow.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 84027076


I doubt there are any sensors on phones or tablets that measure UV radiation, and definitely not specifically UV-C. If there are apps, its likely paired with some sort of USB sensor that you have to buy.

This is the meter I used:

[link to www.amazon.com (secure)]

I'll use the meter any time I'm going to be out in the sun for a while to determine how well I need to protect myself from the sun. Sun hats tend to help a lot, and UV-C does not penetrate well through clothes.
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Yes, I see that now after I've read more. Most will just give you an index on uv. Did see one that plugs into the phone externally.

What part of the world are you in?
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Yup I plan to take measurements periodically during the day tomorrow. I'll post the measurements here.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 76254480


Was just looking at meters and noticed the apps for measuring uv.

Don't know how accurate they are but will be trying one tomorrow.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 84027076


I doubt there are any sensors on phones or tablets that measure UV radiation, and definitely not specifically UV-C. If there are apps, its likely paired with some sort of USB sensor that you have to buy.

This is the meter I used:

[link to www.amazon.com (secure)]

I'll use the meter any time I'm going to be out in the sun for a while to determine how well I need to protect myself from the sun. Sun hats tend to help a lot, and UV-C does not penetrate well through clothes.
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Yes, I see that now after I've read more. Most will just give you an index on uv. Did see one that plugs into the phone externally.

What part of the world are you in?
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Arizona
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Wouldn't it be just as likely that your meter is poor quality or not correctly calibrated? Seems unlikely that all the scientists in the world could be convinced, to hide the truth about UVC
 Quoting: Countryboyseein


I have read multiple articles stating that UVC rays started reaching the earth 5 years ago as the magnetic field has been declining, allowing it to enter

I thought it was common knowledge
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I thought it was, as well.

We’ve known for at least half a decade that the weakening magnetosphere is responsible for the UV-C.

This is also the reason for the Sun’s change in appearance from light yellow to glaring white, which began to be noticeable a quarter-century ago, but before it was weak enough to let UV-C through in any quantity.
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Wouldn't it be just as likely that your meter is poor quality or not correctly calibrated? Seems unlikely that all the scientists in the world could be convinced, to hide the truth about UVC
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I have read multiple articles stating that UVC rays started reaching the earth 5 years ago as the magnetic field has been declining, allowing it to enter

I thought it was common knowledge
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It is ozone that filters UV-C.
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The magnetosphere affects the ozone layer.
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weve been told this years ago
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Wouldn't it be just as likely that your meter is poor quality or not correctly calibrated? Seems unlikely that all the scientists in the world could be convinced, to hide the truth about UVC
 Quoting: Countryboyseein


I have read multiple articles stating that UVC rays started reaching the earth 5 years ago as the magnetic field has been declining, allowing it to enter

I thought it was common knowledge
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It is ozone that filters UV-C.
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The magnetosphere affects the ozone layer.
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Ah yes, true, but I thought the weakening was localized to the "South Atlantic Anomaly", not over the entire planet?

Anyway, I don't think the sheer amount of UV-C reaching the ground has been discussed publicly. All the resources I've read still state that no UV-C reaches the ground.

27 uW/cm2 is still a lot of UV-C. I have a feeling Ill probably measure close to double that when I take a reading during peak sun hours tomorrow.





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